Dave - it has been a real pleasure seeing you progress more and more professionally as you have become the best Bush craft Teacher on line today!! Thanks for all you do for all of us who take a serious interest in that craft!!
Great video man, really enjoy the historical info. You should create a reading list to provide us an opportunity to delve more deeply into these topics.
I'm sure that for some people the big news in this video will be that Abercrombie & Fitch used to be an actual sporting goods store rather than just a source of overpriced clothing for preppies! They even sold guns! (So did Tiffany's by the way, although I'm sure that the current owners are absolutely horrified by that aspect of their history.)
Thanks for another history lesson there, Dave. Not only do you live it but you also share it and that has been very important in my own growth. Thanks a lot Dave, Matt
Dave, I would love to see a Pathfinder version of this tent. Maybe a mini Whelan. Perhaps something around 7 lbs. I actually own a proper Whelan tent but its just too big to use for backpacking. I know "use a tarp.", but I really enjoy the Whelan design. I often hang a hammock up inside of mine.
Thanks for the video on the Whelan Lean! Mine, too, came from Tentsmiths in Sunforger, and I like it a lot. Thanks for showing the set-up with "scissor poles;" I want to make a set of them next
Remminds me of a COOK tent that my family had and that our YMCA camp also had a few of. ... ME? ... I would try to use a TRUCKER'S HITCH in order to run a *RIDGE LINE, BETWEEN TWO LARGE TREES*. ... I think A RIDGE LINE would GREATLY simplify setup and save a lot of time. ... Anyway ... So glad to see you demonstrating a shelter that has enough room inside to "hang-out, for a few days of rain, and to cook and do some chores. ... We, also,used to ERECT TWO COOK-TENTS, like SHELTER HALVES, to make ONE, LARGE, ENCLOSED shelter. ... We would just over-lap the awnings.
Nice rig Dave,like the way you work with older stuff. Abercrombie & Fitch also made carbide lamps,now very rare.I find the plastic justrite cap lamp excellent for camping as they are light,with good light output & have good heat output.
Very interesting. Especially the part about going back to what is comfortable. I'm tired of new cars with all the computers. I want to go back to simple. Thanks Dave, your always on point.
I completely missed the 21st Century longhunter Facebook page even though I've followed the videos since the beginning. Thanks for reminding us and applying some clear and practical logic to shelter philosophies.
As far as the comment below about "your commercial side"...who gives a rats tail. I am thankful for the effort you put into videos I can watch on youtube for free. Your passed on knowledge has helped me and my son learn bushcraft. I didn't realize until just recently that you were the same guy I watched in "dual..." but then I rewatched some of those this last weekend and I was like, "holy cow" that's Dave! Anyway, to the point...My son and I really enjoy your style of teaching...thanks.
Dave, great video, rich with technical and historic info. Should you modify your approach to install the ridge pole first? So you don't have to walk on the oil cloth after staking? Fine on grass, but may lead to punctures in a woodland setting. Just some feedback, thanks, take care.
If it were rocky I would have just tucked the flap under to put the ridge pole in, I wanted to show the entire tent laid out so folks could see the configuration of the canvas
Nice size tent, plenty of room. That awning will be a great water collector... BTW, I may make an odd comment now & then but... I love your videos and the education you provide. I really appreciate your efforts to inform all of us...
When setting up something like that, I prefer to have a tripod on at least one end and when I can, one leg will be substantially long for stability. Planning on taking a siltarp and adding wings and foretarp from a wrecked tent, a mylar blanket on the inside and a plastic greenhouse front for winter camping, maybe using a hammock instead of a raised bed.
I think I finally understand why bushcraft people like shelters and not tents. To be more connected to the wilderness. I just hate the Mosquitos so much. I once got over 70 mosquito bites camping and became ill. Thanks for the entertaining and informative video Dave. I really learned some great stuff. Would you think about sharpening the ends of the poles to stab them into the ground? How would this shelter do in high winds? Thanks.
I'm not young. I have had and used many type and size tents, open and closed. Every closed style tent was very humid even with what are called vents. Or maybe I'm a little claustrophobic. Like the style, for a base camp, adjustable. Looks like a natural shelter design, based on a simple lean to. Could still be used with a ridge line and tie-offs.
A most informative video, Dave. Thanks! However, considering your remarks about Iris buying and wearing jeans out of style by forty years, I think you might consider researching methods of self care for severe wounds. You have wandered into dangerous territory, brother!
You look so different now. Go back and look at some of your early self made posts. Take care good man. Thank You for all the Info and beautiful scenery.
A very interesting design. It appears to be for someone who is base camping and wants to store a LOT of gear in a dry place. Perfect for someone who may be more comfortable with a cot.
Didn't see anyone ask but could you close the two side flaps towards the front and drop the awning a bit for extra protection from the weather? Just a thought...
Dave. Do you think you could maybe introduce us to a good teepee type tent for let's say two or three people. Maybe one that you needed to cut trees for the frame work and only needed to carry the oil cloth from place to place. Thank you
Just a thought, with a modern piece or two of electrical conduct tubing for the ridge, and some other creative solutions, that would also be a great shade shelter for a beach trip
Marc Jacobi Tent Smiths will make the Whelen to your own spec's.also have you thought of modifying two halves of a US army pup tent, , I think its the perfect one man Whelen I did mine by hand but a good woman on a sewing machine could do it under an hour.
Hi, Lieutenant Colonel Whelen called it the "Hunter's Lean-To", in his book. I've never heard a "Lean-To" called a "Lean" before. Do you think this terminology may be something local to where you live? Tentsmiths also calls it a "Lean-To", on their web site and in the catalog. I think they make the best tents I've owned. They flattered me by having used my high praise if their wall tent in the current catalog. I'm looking to order a Whelen soon. Thanks for the great video, please post more when you can. I'll look again, when I get back on line some time. Al in Oklahoma
seems that with shorter poles on the sides and by folding the side flaps in rather than out this could be used as an inclosed design for cold weather. was that ever done i wonder and there was just no time to add that configuration to the vid
13 lbs seems a little much. I would like to see a Modern material version of this style tent. I'm sure you can get the weight down drastically. I do like the idea of keeping it real though.
I like my tarps and leans to have a droop in a portion of the over hang for when it does rain, I can catch, a good amount of fresh water....in a container.
Dave, I wonder if the Lean in the name of this tent has anything to do with the naming of the classic Adirondack Lean-To log shelter? The shapes are similar.
Like when I learn stuff from the area of time we all look up to so much weather it's bush craft or ww1 and ww2 stuff like like this is what made this country great sand still dose today
that would be good with a fire outside reflecting heat inside / oh and for the bell bottom pants / I kept up the style in my school in the 70s in Columbus (Walnut Ridge High) class of 76
For the most part I don't care much for your commercial side. In fact I tend to avoid your work as often it seems like one big info commercial. However when I saw the name Whelen I had to have a look. As a rule I prefer the outdoors men and their publications from before 1950. As I think of your early work and foray into TV clearly this video represents a very positive direction in your personal learning and educational contribution to outdoor recreation. Nice direction with your period clothing as well. The more you learn and research the early outdoors men the better your contribution will become. Darn good job here.
Well I can agree with most of that.its funny because I've never herd any one from China talk about how crappy the products from china are.i always figured they send us the crappy stuff and kept the good stuff for the people of china??so are there any good Chinese Knive makers you can recommend ?Thanks PS CHECK out my CHANNEL DEECEE'S ADVENTURES
Every country I have been in has frugal tools which will work. I have several good knifes gotten in China which would work fine in the North American outdoors all for under 10 bucks. Again its not the stuff its the mind set. thanx for the comment I will have a look at your channel as I am sure you have some good ideas there.
might have been better to use tripods on the ends, if the original design didn't use them, it would be surprising considering it's only another pole on either end to make the whole thing much more stable. it's a great design none the less, but it itself could use some improvements.
Actually no period photos I have seen employ tripods, some use ropes as well as a bipod, some use just a ridge line, and others a ridge pole lashed to standing trees on one or both ends, I am sure in windy weather ropes would work similar to tripods for the 3rd point of contact
This oldschool-stuff is sooo complicated and way to heavy (I say). OK, experience teaches, that old "school-stuff" is much more robust and better quality. However, I would prefer a modern, lightweight tent. Because I do not want to collect the right branches or maybe even cut down entire trees. I like the "modern-high-technic-equipment".
I'm sorry...I wouldn't sleep under that..a better dwelling for sleeping in can be made with less (and lighter) materials.. This would be great for hunters or sportsmen to keep the rain off their heads...but for overnight trips? I would much rather invest in a Coleman tent or even a couple of tarps and a package of stakes and you have a better shelter..even if it is blue..lol
haha yer don't worry about it even the most famous google recommended tech people have gotten theres a YEAR LATE! i'm pretty sure if you email them about it they get onto it lol bit.ly/RQYIqH
lol...I have no kids but I love not being completely lucid..in fact there are millions of $ spent every year in the quest to escape lucidity... And people will baffle you every time...but I think the dislikes are people like me who just are not altogether impressed with the lean..the vid and everything about it seem pretty good..:-)
Dave - it has been a real pleasure seeing you progress more and more professionally as you have become the best Bush craft Teacher on line today!!
Thanks for all you do for all of us who take a serious interest in that craft!!
Very informative video and nice setup.
Great video man, really enjoy the historical info. You should create a reading list to provide us an opportunity to delve more deeply into these topics.
I'm sure that for some people the big news in this video will be that Abercrombie & Fitch used to be an actual sporting goods store rather than just a source of overpriced clothing for preppies! They even sold guns! (So did Tiffany's by the way, although I'm sure that the current owners are absolutely horrified by that aspect of their history.)
Thanks for another history lesson there, Dave. Not only do you live it but you also share it and that has been very important in my own growth.
Thanks a lot Dave,
Matt
Dave, I would love to see a Pathfinder version of this tent. Maybe a mini Whelan. Perhaps something around 7 lbs. I actually own a proper Whelan tent but its just too big to use for backpacking. I know "use a tarp.", but I really enjoy the Whelan design. I often hang a hammock up inside of mine.
"Only accurate rifles are interesting!" My favorite quote from Mr. Whelen. Thank you Dave for the history you share with us!
Thanks for the video on the Whelan Lean! Mine, too, came from Tentsmiths in Sunforger, and I like it a lot. Thanks for showing the set-up with "scissor poles;" I want to make a set of them next
Remminds me of a COOK tent that my family had and that our YMCA camp also had a few of. ... ME? ... I would try to use a TRUCKER'S HITCH in order to run a *RIDGE LINE, BETWEEN TWO LARGE TREES*. ... I think A RIDGE LINE would GREATLY simplify setup and save a lot of time. ... Anyway ... So glad to see you demonstrating a shelter that has enough room inside to "hang-out, for a few days of rain, and to cook and do some chores.
... We, also,used to ERECT TWO COOK-TENTS, like SHELTER HALVES, to make ONE, LARGE, ENCLOSED shelter. ... We would just over-lap the awnings.
Nice rig Dave,like the way you work with older stuff. Abercrombie & Fitch also made carbide lamps,now very rare.I find the plastic justrite cap lamp excellent for camping as they are light,with good light output & have good heat output.
Very educational, always enjoy the history behind the gear.
Looks like a timeless classic
Thanks Dave. If I go on Alone I'm carving up that 20×20 canvas tarp into one of these. You the man Dave!
Thanks for this Dave, very interesting and good to look at how that tent is put up. Certainly something to consider.
Just fantastic this thing! Wow. And thank you for the clear and concise explanation. "Nobody owns knowledge in bushcraft...."... Yeah!
Very interesting. Especially the part about going back to what is comfortable. I'm tired of new cars with all the computers. I want to go back to simple. Thanks Dave, your always on point.
I completely missed the 21st Century longhunter Facebook page even though I've followed the videos since the beginning. Thanks for reminding us and applying some clear and practical logic to shelter philosophies.
As far as the comment below about "your commercial side"...who gives a rats tail. I am thankful for the effort you put into videos I can watch on youtube for free. Your passed on knowledge has helped me and my son learn bushcraft. I didn't realize until just recently that you were the same guy I watched in "dual..." but then I rewatched some of those this last weekend and I was like, "holy cow" that's Dave! Anyway, to the point...My son and I really enjoy your style of teaching...thanks.
Dave, great video, rich with technical and historic info. Should you modify your approach to install the ridge pole first? So you don't have to walk on the oil cloth after staking? Fine on grass, but may lead to punctures in a woodland setting. Just some feedback, thanks, take care.
If it were rocky I would have just tucked the flap under to put the ridge pole in, I wanted to show the entire tent laid out so folks could see the configuration of the canvas
Nice size tent, plenty of room. That awning will be a great water collector...
BTW, I may make an odd comment now & then but... I love your videos and the education you provide. I really appreciate your efforts to inform all of us...
VERY EDUCATIONAL Dave !
Thanks !!
When setting up something like that, I prefer to have a tripod on at least one end and when I can, one leg will be substantially long for stability. Planning on taking a siltarp and adding wings and foretarp from a wrecked tent, a mylar blanket on the inside and a plastic greenhouse front for winter camping, maybe using a hammock instead of a raised bed.
I think I finally understand why bushcraft people like shelters and not tents. To be more connected to the wilderness. I just hate the Mosquitos so much. I once got over 70 mosquito bites camping and became ill. Thanks for the entertaining and informative video Dave. I really learned some great stuff. Would you think about sharpening the ends of the poles to stab them into the ground? How would this shelter do in high winds? Thanks.
I'm not young. I have had and used many type and size tents, open and closed. Every closed style tent was very humid even with what are called vents. Or maybe I'm a little claustrophobic.
Like the style, for a base camp, adjustable. Looks like a natural shelter design, based on a simple lean to. Could still be used with a ridge line and tie-offs.
A most informative video, Dave. Thanks! However, considering your remarks about Iris buying and wearing jeans out of style by forty years, I think you might consider researching methods of self care for severe wounds. You have wandered into dangerous territory, brother!
that looks like one hell of a base camp tent for the summer months, I can just see me using that up in Norway or Scotland some day!
Thanks for posting. Dont stress out about 'your period' time so much... lol Hay im learning a lot and enjoy your teachings. keep on rocking!
You look so different now. Go back and look at some of your early self made posts. Take care good man. Thank You for all the Info and beautiful scenery.
A very interesting design. It appears to be for someone who is base camping and wants to store a LOT of gear in a dry place. Perfect for someone who may be more comfortable with a cot.
Didn't see anyone ask but could you close the two side flaps towards the front and drop the awning a bit for extra protection from the weather? Just a thought...
thank you dave.appreciate your time and knowledge .salute .
Dave. Do you think you could maybe introduce us to a good teepee type tent for let's say two or three people. Maybe one that you needed to cut trees for the frame work and only needed to carry the oil cloth from place to place. Thank you
that is very nice.and very fast setup.i just read in fur fish and game that a wall tent could take 4 men 4 hours to set up.
That would make a heck of a base camp. Nice
Thanks Dave
Just a thought, with a modern piece or two of electrical conduct tubing for the ridge, and some other creative solutions, that would also be a great shade shelter for a beach trip
Great vid man, as always. I was thinking of buying some equipment from the store of yours. Some good stuff there. Keep it up!
Now that is a nice design. Shrink it down to a one-man size and you have the perfect tarp..?
Marc Jacobi Tent Smiths will make the Whelen to your own spec's.also have you thought of modifying two halves of a US army pup tent, , I think its the perfect one man Whelen I did mine by hand but a good woman on a sewing machine could do it under an hour.
Hi,
Lieutenant Colonel Whelen called it the "Hunter's Lean-To", in his book. I've never heard a "Lean-To" called a "Lean" before. Do you think this terminology may be something local to where you live? Tentsmiths also calls it a "Lean-To", on their web site and in the catalog. I think they make the best tents I've owned. They flattered me by having used my high praise if their wall tent in the current catalog. I'm looking to order a Whelen soon. Thanks for the great video, please post more when you can. I'll look again, when I get back on line some time.
Al in Oklahoma
Dave. Great video as always. Just curious, as you seem to be left-handed, why do you where your knife on your right side?
Seems like a nice tent
Thanks for the video
Thanks for the video. Nice period pants, too! Not everyone can pull off the stripes, man. Good on ya!
Wow. I was really surprised at how cheap this tent is! Awesome price tag on this thing.
Dave what make of pants are they?Good video.
seems that with shorter poles on the sides and by folding the side flaps in rather than out this could be used as an inclosed design for cold weather. was that ever done i wonder and there was just no time to add that configuration to the vid
13 lbs seems a little much. I would like to see a Modern material version of this style tent. I'm sure you can get the weight down drastically. I do like the idea of keeping it real though.
I like my tarps and leans to have a droop in a portion of the over hang for when it does rain, I can catch, a good amount of fresh water....in a container.
Interesting history lesson. Thanks.
Dave, I wonder if the Lean in the name of this tent has anything to do with the naming of the classic Adirondack Lean-To log shelter? The shapes are similar.
Any news on the pathfinder tarp tent by tentsmith? I saw a video on it a while back but it hadn't been released yet.
tentsmiths.com/tent-camp-accessories/oilskin-tarps.html
people dont actually use this do they? other than for reenactments and such...?
Ive spent many a night under a lean to and a diamond shelter too.This Whelen is the cadillac of lean to`s I think Nesmuk used a lean to.
This was a great video
Thanks Dave.... !!
Looks like good ol'e Dan Beard used the same idea back in the 19teens or so. Great video I really enjoyed it.
where did u get ur period clothing for this video? NICE!
Nice lookin' classic tent! 13 lbs...not any more than my large modern tents.
I have a 1962 BSA Voyageurs tent. It is a pretty huge canvas tent. Weighs about that. Just the canvas.
Modern tents have all the poles included in that weight..
yep.
Like when I learn stuff from the area of time we all look up to so much weather it's bush craft or ww1 and ww2 stuff like like this is what made this country great sand still dose today
I've never seen a Whelen this big. It makes Dave look about 4ft tall.
dave have ever used a barker tent ?
Wow, that tent is WAY bigger then I expected it to be.
that would be good with a fire outside reflecting heat inside / oh and for the bell bottom pants / I kept up the style in my school in the 70s in Columbus (Walnut Ridge High) class of 76
Interesting shelter..thanks for the info:)
I like that lean to, too bad it's not made anymore. I don't have the equipment to make it with all of the sewing it would take.
tentsmiths.com
For the most part I don't care much for your commercial side. In fact I tend to avoid your work as often it seems like one big info commercial. However when I saw the name Whelen I had to have a look. As a rule I prefer the outdoors men and their publications from before 1950. As I think of your early work and foray into TV clearly this video represents a very positive direction in your personal learning and educational contribution to outdoor recreation. Nice direction with your period clothing as well. The more you learn and research the early outdoors men the better your contribution will become. Darn good job here.
Well I can agree with most of that.its funny because I've never herd any one from China talk about how crappy the products from china are.i always figured they send us the crappy stuff and kept the good stuff for the people of china??so are there any good Chinese Knive makers you can recommend ?Thanks
PS CHECK out my CHANNEL DEECEE'S ADVENTURES
Every country I have been in has frugal tools which will work. I have several good knifes gotten in China which would work fine in the North American outdoors all for under 10 bucks. Again its not the stuff its the mind set. thanx for the comment I will have a look at your channel as I am sure you have some good ideas there.
Outstanding
might have been better to use tripods on the ends, if the original design didn't use them, it would be surprising considering it's only another pole on either end to make the whole thing much more stable.
it's a great design none the less, but it itself could use some improvements.
Actually no period photos I have seen employ tripods, some use ropes as well as a bipod, some use just a ridge line, and others a ridge pole lashed to standing trees on one or both ends, I am sure in windy weather ropes would work similar to tripods for the 3rd point of contact
***** true, just surprising they wouldn't have used it.
That was interesting. Thank you.
I always love those
Reminds me of an extra large shelter half.
good video. btw nice outfit. suits you
It was orignially called the Ötzi lean
Thumbs up!
Clark
oh yeah totally,because you just know there will be huge sticks like that just laying around anywhere you wanna go camping
an ancestor of the baker tent I'm thinking.
Now I want one!
That whelen lean is BIG..
It's an adaptable concept...I actually rather like the design for hammock use, actually.
Gallon of milk weighs 8lbs?
👍
Some assembly required
This oldschool-stuff is sooo complicated and way to heavy (I say). OK, experience teaches, that old "school-stuff" is much more robust and better quality.
However, I would prefer a modern, lightweight tent. Because I do not want to collect the right branches or maybe even cut down entire trees. I like the "modern-high-technic-equipment".
I'm sorry...I wouldn't sleep under that..a better dwelling for sleeping in can be made with less (and lighter) materials..
This would be great for hunters or sportsmen to keep the rain off their heads...but for overnight trips? I would much rather invest in a Coleman tent or even a couple of tarps and a package of stakes and you have a better shelter..even if it is blue..lol
don't think your to far away from the 1 million gold play plaque dave
Actually brother I am just over 42 Million 670 thousand views, thanks man-
youtube sends you a plaque for 100,000 subscriptions and another at a million, you gut the 100,000 didn't you?
charles lee YT has never sent me anything LOL
haha yer don't worry about it even the most famous google recommended tech people have gotten theres a YEAR LATE! i'm pretty sure if you email them about it they get onto it lol bit.ly/RQYIqH
What is this the 19 century wait no it's in hd
I suspect that some variation of this was used in the days of the Roman Empire.
Heh, good old camping.......
8:14- 8:35- TRUE DAT!
Dave,
I like this. I do some thing similar with an 8x10 tarp. Check out my video "tarp set up with one line" on GodschildinNC channel. Geoff
I'll give you 5 bucks for it.
Just kidding:)
Looks like 3 people like to get wet when it rains, huh? People baffle me..
*****
He was referring to the dislikes on the video.
Luciffrit Yep I was still asleep I guess-LOL
***** It's all good man, lol. I have 4 kids that are 5 years old and under, I know what it's like to not be completely lucid
lol...I have no kids but I love not being completely lucid..in fact there are millions of $ spent every year in the quest to escape lucidity...
And people will baffle you every time...but I think the dislikes are people like me who just are not altogether impressed with the lean..the vid and everything about it seem pretty good..:-)
i dont like to get wet so i use a real fucking tent. not a 15lb $225 glorified tarp...
Now I want one!