people that are toxic in the same fashion of Dardoch and I have the highest drives to win and dont like when people on their team dont take the game seriously Cx
I mean a suggestion is alway nice if you see someone doing something wrong you can call him out for it but like don't attack the player for his wrong if he seem to not get the point I see where the frustration can come from but people think differently there probably a way to communicate the problem just got to find how . Also how the plan of joining a team going Tarzan did not have the time to fallow the news
@@Thompson98PL To be fair, if it's toxicity in solo q, I don't give a shit. I agree that people get butthurt for nothing for toxicity in solo Q. But in competitive play, it definitely does matter. When you're in a 5 man team where things have to be coordinated and close knit and morale is everything, being toxic is incompatible with progress and it ruins team atmosphere and general performance.
@@Fr_OE I think NA can't handle Dardoch. Instead of labeling everything that comes out of his mouth toxic, No one fucking had the intelligence to find out actually what problems is he talking about. Dardoch is not dumb and he just doesn't, randomly lash out. There is no fucking way i will ever believe that he never called them out nicely about their stupidity which must have been hard for him. Dyrus put up with this shit which I don't know why. TSM strategically fucked him over in so many games. And Impact is wasted in NA. Who the fuck even thinks about putting impact on lulu ?
+Radoslav Stanchev You need more context. When he signed, he thought he would have Huni and Adrian and a good adc like Wildturtle. But instead, he got Flame who was underperforming, and a bad bot lane. CLG would have made it to worlds with him. No doubt. But even look at TL. When he left, they had no leadership in game, because Reignover isn't a shot caller. So they go 9th and 10th for the year, as opposed to the fourth place spot they actually got with him in Spring. Hell, he even carried them into playoffs with the worst bot lane in recent NA history.
IMT was still working on there communication, they were a brand new squad and Dardoch was halting there growth together, IMT improved there team environment and improved overall since he left and you know exactly why. Now Cody and Olleh are one of the Top 5 bot lanes easily right now and there at Worlds.
Flaming teammates will NEVER help you win a game. Saying negatives and tilting, giving up in games(which he did) does not ever helps you win. Ever. If you want teammates to do better, encourage them and point their mistakes AFTER A MATCH in a MATURE way. No country can win a war with its soldiers berated and unconfident. Encouragement and team morale is so important.
@@feitan3743 trash players need to be humiliated. I am spending 30-45 min of my time to deal with your 0-8 ass.I don't care if it will make people play better if I don't flame. You should have not been feeding your ass off from the start. It's 4v5 after the dmg is done, most of the times the feeding player will be completely useless. Mute is a good button for people that can't handle it.
RAQAW ZOIM What if you were the one who’s feeding and the other people start flaming your ass? I bet you wouldn’t be saying the same shit you’re saying
2018: - Dardoch finished regular Spring Split in 2nd place with Echo Fox - TL's dearest Piglet is playing Academy League hoping that Apollo falls down some stairs - same goes for Dardoch's replacement Mickey - Locodoco is not even contracted to anything anymore - Immortals didn't make it into franchising So in the end... I guess he had the last laugh in the Locodoco and Piglet
Welp now TL has won back to back LCS championships and been to worlds Meanwhile, Dardoch still hasn't won anything EDIT: Pretty sure IMT also made it to worlds
@@lukethebaron5408 Watch the documentary. Dardoch's a good player, but hes delusional if he actually thinks that. He was absolutely toxic to Piglet. Of course, Loco was toxic to him and the entire team, and Piglet seemed to be having issues in too. It was an awful situation, and everyone was to blame. At a lot of points he was literally shit talking Piglet while they were each in the same room.
@@wyatt5167 None of his old teammates are in this TL, however. It's a completely different team without Piglet, Loco and others. This TL is pretty much a new 2015 CLG.
I'd rather have a 20/0 toxic dude that flames me than a 0/9 ad who's like "we can do this guys!" Cuz I can just mute the toxic dude but I can't do shit about the feeder and I will feel bad if I point it out
Riot bans true,skilled and passianote players while they don't do a shit about bad players (elo boost),obviously they prefer shitty players who buys dumb skins over talented players.
Bad players will be matched with other bad players and will be there unless they improve and just because someone in your team is 0/9 doesn't mean he's innately bad he's most just having one of those bad games that everybody has once in a while. Toxic players on the other hand seldom improve and make the game overall worse for everyone involved.
To be honest, I don't care if someone's toxic and is actually good. The problem is that 99% of these toxic trash-talkers are on the same skill level as all others in the game and good toxic players are only the exception. If you play as shitty as everyone else you shouldn't have a big mouth.
Being skilled at the game doesn't give you an excuse to be toxic. If someone were rank 1 Challenger and really good and toxic, then he or she should be permanently banned
+ACE112ACE112 it does tho, it does in every sport and it does in real life. Being toxic isn't a crime, it's just telling idiots the truths they don't want to hear because they have no self-awareness. That's why LoL is more ain to a daycare than an actual game because it's full of people without any social skills who don't understand that someone being harsh doesn't actually affect their play, just their ego.
Muzaffer Yigitler "Toxic players always playing good. Example : rat irl,tyler1,pornstar zilean." That's just a handful of good, toxic players and then there are like a few hundred thousands or millions of toxic no-names who can't play properly but still think they are good. So your statement "always" is not accurate. It's only true for some toxic challenger player and the rest is garbage like everyone else and shouldn't try to flame others.
Those are rare cases, try to boost an account from bronze or silver. See how many toxic trash players you meet. People with a good attitude are way more likely to be good than the toxic ones. Because it's a healthy mentality that allows you to improve and comeback in games. People who are toxic will just spend more time flaming than playing the game and throw it. Also, a lot of good players dont even say anything but they simply arent toxic.
rat irl is good but hes smurfing constantly, which kinda makes him look better than he actually is, if you meet him in soloQ he will judge you entirely based off what champion you play, so if he doesnt like your champion pool, for the rest of the games you play with him in the future he will be toxic towards everything you do, regardless if you are doing well or not. Not a nice guy to play with as funny as he may seem.
Honestly on Dardochs side if i had teamates who were happy with their overpayed salaries and didnt strive to be better i would be upset and toxic to them.
in league there are like 1000 different options of play you can do, you do 1 wrong one? dardoch screaming at you, he makes mistakes too but he never put in perspective how treating team mates effects their gameplay. He did more harm then good even if he was carrying he basically gave no one a chance to except on TSM, he basically got told to shut the fuck up and go
I think he has a point which somehow explains why he is toxic sometimes. Espacially the last part shows that his frustration due to his team playing bad, just bursts out of him. Some players can handle it silently and keep working on their team, while on the other hand others are just too emotional for that. Furtheremore I think that Dardoch is not that toxic at all. He wants to win and he wants to get somewhere and he will try everything possible to archive his goal. That attitude makes him very emotional and results in this kind of "toxic" behaviour. That's just my opinion.. Greetz
Kazabubu Can you imagine Dardoch on TSM or like SKT with a proper coaching staff? He tries to talk any of that shit in those teams and he'll for sure get the ass whooping. Maybe that's when he'll actually start to be that star that shines
ACE112ACE112 i mean it’s true, the last 2 minutes of the video says it all. it’s so frustrating from a competitive standpoint if you’re trying your absolute hardest to win, and you have teammates that either 1. don’t care as much as you to win or 2. not working hard enough to improve yourself to be able to win. fabbayyy is literally a solo queue troll, playing shit like draven mid w/ no MR runes against a syndra during his off-time when most LCS players are playing solo queue to improve their own gameplay.
RyuDaB3ast I don't think he'll ever get picked up by TSM. He got kicked off a team with one of the best coaching staffs in the NALCS in CLG. If Aphro and Zikz can't tame him, idk who will. Dardoch was getting carried in most of his games on CLG so you can't say he had to leave because his team sucked. Things were going well, behind the scenes apparently not so much.
For me, Dardoch always came across as a player whose desire and drive to win was higher than his desire and drive to improve, with or without his team. The guy acts the way he does because he is passionate, plain and simple. Quite honestly, if I had locodoco breathing down my neck and placing all the blame on me for an entire team's failure, I might get angry too. I feel for the guy, he wants to win so badly, but that desire is the same thing that keeps him from improving with teams.
many environments need an emotional leader.. someone who is able to listen and understand the members' perspectives and frustrations, promoting their expression as long as it doesnt hurt others, promoting healthy communication and keeping the team's direction clear
He is a great jungler and that fact can't be argued. But idk how so many people here do not see or understand how disrespectful, rude, immature and emotionally unstable Dardoch is.
He’s literally given 3 losing lanes every single game and the worst bot lane on the server, I don’t blame him for talking shit about his team and I would do the same in his position
@@astral9022 Facts! To this day, Team Liquid is still a dogshit team. Losing to Golden Guardians and being seen as the "average team"? lmao No passion for winning at all.
I feel like dardoch needs to realize that he's never gonna get to worlds if he keeps up that attitude. I can completely understand that when you perform at a ridiculously high level of play and your team under performs that you would get upset, but flaming in the middle of a match isn't the way to manage it. Honestly its his attitude thats put him on TL in the first place- he jist brings down team morale too much with his toxicity. All in all I'd say he's a really respectable jungler who can do a lot for his team if they can perform at an acceptable level, but his inability to work around the flaws in his team (however many) will forever hold him back
Ryfy Wifi he should look at some of the best players in the world, none has attitude like him. A loser who thinks he’s the best will never goes far. Got kicked 3 times by 3 different teams for the same reason, I hope he learned something.
+Pham Cuong Never heard of Forg1ven? You know, the best adc to ever play in EU whose toxic mentality was all that let him down? The guy who pretty much solo carried EU to semis?
higglyjuff he was good but he didnt solo carry them. Jankos was the best jungler eu and he basicly half of the times set everything for orgiven, others were also pretty good. Now im not saying he isnt that good he was but big part is that his team performed well
Hi guys! Personally I think that trash talking team mates is not a healthy way to improve your team, because it has an overall negative impact on the players such as their morale. I agree with Dardoch that it is improtant to communicate with your team mates and tell them what you think they're doing wrong, but trash talk isn't the way to go. Rather, it is more healthy to give constructive feedback and not to talk down on someone. But hey! These are just my thoughts on the matter.
he's not trying to be alpha or anything he just wants to win and when he feels that there is no hope on winning he takes his frustration on flame in the chat
+ACE112ACE112 what are you, like some homeschooled 12 year old? Do you get bullied or some shit Cus no one gives a flying fuckin about toxicity, it's part of any sport so why should league be any different?
ACE112ACE112 In any medium there's always a level of trash talk, and a competitive attitude. If you go on league like any other video game, there's going to assholes expect it. If you can't handle this aspect then mute everyone first thing or don't play the game.
The main problem isn't that he's flaming in ranked all the time. The problem is that he is very insubordinate and is very hesitant to cooperate with his team. He definitely has the skills, but no matter how good you are, if you're going to be a scumbag in a team environment, the team has no place for you. Think Tarzaned.
Having him move to Echo Fox with Huni really humbled him and that's been a great thing. Dardoch has amazing skills mechanically and with the macro, but that isn't enough to be a good player. Being able to stay encouraging to your team, even in a loss, and keeping a level and humble head to identify where you went wrong in any play is the key to being considered one of the best players in this game. Dardoch is on track to be just that now and he's been a damn sight to behold this year.
I think instead of "flaming" in game he should just talk to his coach and express his thoughts. I overall respect his playstyle but its just unprofessional to shit talk people in your own team.
+An0N SaiKo The coach was a part of the toxicity problem in TL. There is no real evidence he was toxic on IMT and CLG. There is no evidence he is toxic right now on TL. In fact, looking at TL, he was uplifting for his team's morale.
+An0N SaiKo The coach was a part of the toxicity problem in TL. There is no real evidence he was toxic on IMT and CLG. There is no evidence he is toxic right now on TL. In fact, looking at TL, he was uplifting for his team's morale.
Same I've always felt that Dardoch has never had the chance to be on a team that can actually make use of his talents. He is by far one of the best junglers in NA. Either he needs to stop being so harsh on his team. Or his team needs to stop being a bunch of cry babies and stick up for themselves
League is not a kids game. If you can't handle someone giving you a little harsh criticism. Sack up. Simple as that. It may sound like I'm being inconsiderate but these people are supposed to be adults. They should act as such
The series is called Infamous League players.The series is about the toxic/notorious players and not about random E-Athletes and their problems with their organizations.He being there is like a bike stealer in a TV Show called "The most brutal criminals ever existed". I dont know if you get my point.
In this series is included the best player in the world Dopa. I don't think this series need some toxic scumbags solo Q players, like L9 trashcans or similar. This one is a decent vídeo, and way more informative.
"L9 shits on pro teams constantly" wow, they shat on the worst players that barely consider to being pro. high master trash players are considered for scouting ground, so yeah..
CLG would be first seed rn with Dardoch. A lot of people will say Dardoch's ego is out of control. I would say most League player's egos are out of control. That's why they all fall to pieces under the slightest scrutiny. No, they really do. Yes, communications do get to the point where people are just insulting one another and that is not good for team communications and synergy but it takes two willing parties to escalate to that point. Dardoch is willing to confront problems. Bjergsen and other Western professionals are unwilling and this is why they'll never show up at Worlds unless they have Huni and Reignover carrying them. The West will always be weak until they get stronger willed players to the top.
He got fired from 3 different lcs teams for toxicity. What do you think that means? He even agreed himself he was immature and toxic and regrets his past behavior.
Tbh Dardoch is just keeping the truth and keeping it real. Players are going to get better when they 1/9 saying "Aw man, another bad play." Yes Dardoch could be a bit nicer but, he is just trying to make them improve more. That's all.
Dardoch being kicked off the team for toxicity while being the only one with the drive to want to win and confront mistakes. Summoner code working its magic in the pro scene now too, well done Riot! The way things are going for all the players on that TL team shows pretty clearly who was in the wrong throughout the split, your boy Dardoch was right in calling his bot lane D5 level!
Like how some ppl say shit like skill > toxic and all that shit. The point here is that hes toxic and uncooperative with his team, especially in professional play where u guys are a team its not just soloq whr u probably wont see them again. Ruining ur relationship with ur teammates and bringing team morale down does more harm than good.
I don't know if anyone else has played IRL sports, but being toxic or having a bad attitude is one of the worst things to have on a team. If there is one player who is amazing, but constantly makes other players feel like shit it will make the synergy of the team go way down, and in most cases one player is never enough to beat an entire team of unified players.
Look where he is now with new competition in the block... His own strength is his own undoing. Sad he can't turn it around but every action has an equal reaction.
Actually really misunderstood player. I viewed him as someone very competitive in the wrong sport to compete in. In every traditional sport his behavior is on the aggressive side but very much common and not at all toxic. Simply a guy with a high drive to win.
The only thing I see is someone who wants to win. Toxicity comes when you have to deal with garbage team mates. I totally get and support Dardoch's behavior.
Oh yeah, IMT and CLG gave him garbage teammates for sure. Certainly not his attitude that got him kicked out of there. IMT went to worlds, unlike Dardoch and his garbage attitude. This is a team game, your individual talent isn't worth shit in competitive if you cant coordinate and make excuses and blame or flame people for having poor performances. That's not how it works, not in LoL, not in soccer not in any other team game. If he is that much of a scummy human being then he should just play solo games.
Com probably won't be seen but i'm gonna say it anyway : That's funny that Dardoch is considered an infamous player in competitive (justified in soloq btw, 100% agree) when the environment itself got so much issues. And still somehow gets picked up by line ups/teams, and even describe by CLG when kicking Xmithie as "the one who can fill their only weak role over the years". When Dardoch first got in competitive, some analyst, LS being one of them, made the statement that teams had to take him out of solo q, from the free market, from every other teams. Because he was simply too good. Implying that they're blind concerning his behavior as long as he performs... But Liquid Lourlo just said around 2.m that "Dardoch begin to flames when they lose, he's cool if they win" :Thinking: Okay then, he has no right to do so, but teams can use him and then throw him away when someone as good (and even weaker) is around, by stating that it is disregarding the team. The marketing's good thats for sure, but still nice hypocrisy. * nice video btw ^_^ *
I acknowledged those toxic players that has highest drives to win but for me it's better to MOTIVATE your teammates instead of looking down on them, that's the key to success.
Funny and interesting to see how many of these INFAMOUS players are actually in the end one or two things; 1) Very elitist players that genuinely perform well and criticise on-point but end up insulting and flaming everyone. 2) Challenger prodigies that don't care about getting banned everytime they climb to rank 1 and would just int a game if they didn't feel like winning / wanted to troll a specific person
just listen to this at 8:22 the choice for background music is completely fine. but why are u making it a CHORE to figure out what bjergsen is saying. just lower the music 3 notches.. ITS CALLED BACKGROUND MUSIC FOR A REASON
From a skill perspective, Dardoch definitely shows some glimpses of great potential. However, that is all moot in a team setting. This isn't solo queue where he can just go around making plays by himself. He needs to do so with the four teammates he has in a given match in a professional setting. And a professional setting would entail not being that toxic player you have to mute before you develop cancer.
Dardoch's problem on Liquid (for those of you who didn't watch the documentary) is that he de-legitimized his own problems when he identified other ones. For example, LocoDoco was a HORRIBLE coach while on TL (in respect to team mentality) and he fostered a negative player environment. However, Dardoch had his own anger and tilt issues where if he was going down, he dragged the team with him. Dardoch focused on Loco's shortcomings and completely dismissed his own. You even see this in the interview with Steve (last portion of this video). The points and problems Dardoch brought up WERE RIGHT. But, he used them to shift the blame off of himself and ignore all of the issues that he was causing. Its a shame, too. Dardoch is a mechanically talented aggressive jungler who can play the micro game amazingly well. If he humbled himself, opened up to learning from others 24/7 (not just when hes stomping) and respected his teammates in game I guarantee you he would have been on a top NA team by his second season in the LCS. He would have been picked up as an early game powerhouse and a prospect to coach and develop with a squad (insert Biofrost, Contractz, Cody Sun...all 3 of which are going to represent NA at Worlds 2017).
When people say dardoch being toxic is him just wanting to win, that's bs. Look at doublelift and tell me if he stayed the same way that TSM would have picked him up and kept him. No. That's not how it works, there is a way to vent your frustration.
Dardoch is a class example of a player with limitless potential getting nowhere because his ego is too big. Wont ever win shit cause he's not a team player.
I love Dardoch, and I sympathize with his frustrations. Bjerg is right though, so hopefully he learns to communicate in a more professional way when he asks Fox to get a better bot lane.
Honestly if it was just team liquid that had trouble I'd say he was just overwhelmed with frustration but the fact is he hasn't been able to work with any team. Clg kept things on the down low, but we see him talking shit about imt and how they'll never make it to worlds and that they're bad but imt's performance immediately skyrocketed when they traded dardoch away. Imt made it to worlds with Xmithie, who worked with and guided his teammates. A guy who doesn't have the patience to do that doesn't belong in a team environment.
But he is actually telling the truth. The only thing he was trying to say was that the team needs a goal to reach. If players are lazy and they dont want to improve cause Paid by Steve then i can totally understand the behaviour. He tried to improve, win some games, get the team to worlds.
Put him in a team where the individual talent is more important rather than team play. He seems to be very vocal so he can lead the team, and because of their good players, he can work with actual players
Lol these people complaining about him not being as toxic as players in previous videos. This series is called infamous league players (not toxic league players.) He is infamous for being a problem as a teammate and that is why he's here. It's the exact same thing as those chaox fanboys who complained lol.
It seems like Dardoch is taking his spot on the team as a businessman. He wants to rank up in the league of legends pro scene and he has his eyes set on only the best. If he feels his team is not putting the effort in to win, then why is he trying his hardest.
Dardoch is right, his mates were so trash compare to him. As we can see he really wants to win, and i understand that if he feel like 1v5 all the time he start to be toxic. When you're pro gamer, you have to train and do as much as you can, so i totally understand him.
Right... but bot CLG and IMT did better without him? It's a team game, and if you start being toxic the rest 4 of your teammates are gonna hate your guts. It's not productive in any way and doesn't accomplish anyway. He's not giving constructive criticism, just pure flame. What's the point of it? It's a professional environment and you're getting paid to keep your mouth shut if you're frustrated and try to improve.
It seems like most of these infamous players like Dardoch and such are from Euw and NA. Are there any players like this in say oce or something, just a bit curious.
It's not like Dardoch was the happiest, nicest player of all time, but it's also not like everything he said was wrong. Many of his teammates WERE actually hot garbage. Some of his teammates were even actively trying to make his life worse while he was on the team.
Very skilled player, being toxic when you play a lot of soloQ is kind of part of the process really. Even though Idont type toxic stuff, through my mind comes a lot of toxic thoughts towards underperforming teammates
he's been fired by basically every team in the LCS. it's his attitude and team environments get toxic because of individuals like him. that's why he got bounced from every single team.
i wanted to make worlds and IMT wouldnt get me there... well whos going to worlds? Dude i used to like this kid so much but he is the esports version of a ring chaser. Doesnt matter how good you are solo especially in this day and age where teamwork is so key to winning.
LMAO GETTING SMASHED BY APOLLO AND XPEACIAL PART
well tbh apollo is really good
RedSkyes He used to be one of the worst if not the worst adc's in NA.
One of the worst... of the best 10 pro adc we have in NA lol. But yeah compared to Double, Turtle or Sneaky he looked bad :P
Vincent Huard Pelletier if he had a top laner that did something his team would be pretty good
Nitin Obla They had a top laner ? lol you're totally right !
people that are toxic in the same fashion of Dardoch and I have the highest drives to win
and dont like when people on their team dont take the game seriously
Cx
get good noob
Hi Tarzaned, it is kinda true, but have a nice day!
TriHard Cx :)
I mean a suggestion is alway nice if you see someone doing something wrong you can call him out for it but like don't attack the player for his wrong if he seem to not get the point I see where the frustration can come from but people think differently there probably a way to communicate the problem just got to find how .
Also how the plan of joining a team going Tarzan did not have the time to fallow the news
Tarzaned non-toxic players have more drive to win because they know toxicity lowers the chance of winning
Hardstuck
11:25 "if you're gonna give me a bottom lane that's playing at like a diamond 5 level, that's absolutely unacceptable" LOOL holy shit
3 years later still my favorite clip
@@Jay-st8jf 10 months later still laughing lol
He’s right though
@@andrewbyrnes6389 Facts! It only took me 93 games to hit Platinum and if Diamond 5 is that easy to surpass, then it's no wonder NA sucks ass.
Dardoch, a great player forever held back by his own attitude. It's almost poetic.
His attitude was fine. It was cry baby mentality and underperforming teams that were the problem
@@Thompson98PL To be fair, if it's toxicity in solo q, I don't give a shit. I agree that people get butthurt for nothing for toxicity in solo Q. But in competitive play, it definitely does matter. When you're in a 5 man team where things have to be coordinated and close knit and morale is everything, being toxic is incompatible with progress and it ruins team atmosphere and general performance.
He's actually right about Liquid though
Was he really held back, or was his environment too fucking soft to handle criticism even if it is in the form of flame
@@Fr_OE I think NA can't handle Dardoch. Instead of labeling everything that comes out of his mouth toxic, No one fucking had the intelligence to find out actually what problems is he talking about. Dardoch is not dumb and he just doesn't, randomly lash out. There is no fucking way i will ever believe that he never called them out nicely about their stupidity which must have been hard for him. Dyrus put up with this shit which I don't know why. TSM strategically fucked him over in so many games. And Impact is wasted in NA. Who the fuck even thinks about putting impact on lulu ?
D5 botlane XD
where's the lie tho
@@giss182 You're silver
"Immortals didn't really care about going to Worlds" Dardoch leaves ---> Immortals qualify for Worlds lel.
+Radoslav Stanchev You need more context. When he signed, he thought he would have Huni and Adrian and a good adc like Wildturtle. But instead, he got Flame who was underperforming, and a bad bot lane. CLG would have made it to worlds with him. No doubt. But even look at TL. When he left, they had no leadership in game, because Reignover isn't a shot caller. So they go 9th and 10th for the year, as opposed to the fourth place spot they actually got with him in Spring. Hell, he even carried them into playoffs with the worst bot lane in recent NA history.
IMT was still working on there communication, they were a brand new squad and Dardoch was halting there growth together, IMT improved there team environment and improved overall since he left and you know exactly why. Now Cody and Olleh are one of the Top 5 bot lanes easily right now and there at Worlds.
Null. Not top 5, top 10
Null. And its mainly Olleh that's great, not Cody Sun. He's depressing to look at.
@ radoslav LOL I thought the same thing.
Dude i swear people take flaming way too serious. If the flamer is 10-2 and youre 0-8 maybe he has a point
Flaming teammates will NEVER help you win a game. Saying negatives and tilting, giving up in games(which he did) does not ever helps you win. Ever. If you want teammates to do better, encourage them and point their mistakes AFTER A MATCH in a MATURE way. No country can win a war with its soldiers berated and unconfident. Encouragement and team morale is so important.
@@feitan3743 trash players need to be humiliated. I am spending 30-45 min of my time to deal with your 0-8 ass.I don't care if it will make people play better if I don't flame. You should have not been feeding your ass off from the start. It's 4v5 after the dmg is done, most of the times the feeding player will be completely useless. Mute is a good button for people that can't handle it.
hal lat holy fuck I thought me on 3 was high
@@alterego8496 lmao ur saaaad leave ur room from time to time
RAQAW ZOIM What if you were the one who’s feeding and the other people start flaming your ass? I bet you wouldn’t be saying the same shit you’re saying
2018:
- Dardoch finished regular Spring Split in 2nd place with Echo Fox
- TL's dearest Piglet is playing Academy League hoping that Apollo falls down some stairs
- same goes for Dardoch's replacement Mickey
- Locodoco is not even contracted to anything anymore
- Immortals didn't make it into franchising
So in the end... I guess he had the last laugh in the Locodoco and Piglet
Gabre why insult piglet? He even said he was never toxic to piglet lol, who at one point was considered a top tier adc
Welp now TL has won back to back LCS championships and been to worlds
Meanwhile, Dardoch still hasn't won anything
EDIT: Pretty sure IMT also made it to worlds
@@lukethebaron5408 Watch the documentary. Dardoch's a good player, but hes delusional if he actually thinks that. He was absolutely toxic to Piglet. Of course, Loco was toxic to him and the entire team, and Piglet seemed to be having issues in too. It was an awful situation, and everyone was to blame. At a lot of points he was literally shit talking Piglet while they were each in the same room.
@@wyatt5167 None of his old teammates are in this TL, however. It's a completely different team without Piglet, Loco and others. This TL is pretty much a new 2015 CLG.
what about now
" Immortals didn't really care about making it to worlds, so i decided i would leave and join the team that would get me there. (CLG) " - Darduck 2017
was 2016
thats funny actually cause he made some problems there too and probably with him they would do it to the worlds :(
...no?
*DarDumb
I'd rather have a 20/0 toxic dude that flames me than a 0/9 ad who's like "we can do this guys!" Cuz I can just mute the toxic dude but I can't do shit about the feeder and I will feel bad if I point it out
HAHAHAHAHA¡¡¡¡ But is because of the one feeding like a crazy fuck tard that your team lost at the end.
Riot bans true,skilled and passianote players while they don't do a shit about bad players (elo boost),obviously they prefer shitty players who buys dumb skins over talented players.
Bad players will be matched with other bad players and will be there unless they improve and just because someone in your team is 0/9 doesn't mean he's innately bad he's most just having one of those bad games that everybody has once in a while. Toxic players on the other hand seldom improve and make the game overall worse for everyone involved.
Bluejaypig you're right. One thing to say tho is that that kind of attitude shouldn't be brought on lcs, in a pro team play. Just sayin
You can't mute someone on your pro team
Yoo he was spitting fire to in the last interview god damn son.
To be honest, I don't care if someone's toxic and is actually good. The problem is that 99% of these toxic trash-talkers are on the same skill level as all others in the game and good toxic players are only the exception. If you play as shitty as everyone else you shouldn't have a big mouth.
Being skilled at the game doesn't give you an excuse to be toxic. If someone were rank 1 Challenger and really good and toxic, then he or she should be permanently banned
+ACE112ACE112 it does tho, it does in every sport and it does in real life. Being toxic isn't a crime, it's just telling idiots the truths they don't want to hear because they have no self-awareness. That's why LoL is more ain to a daycare than an actual game because it's full of people without any social skills who don't understand that someone being harsh doesn't actually affect their play, just their ego.
Muzaffer Yigitler "Toxic players always playing good. Example : rat irl,tyler1,pornstar zilean." That's just a handful of good, toxic players and then there are like a few hundred thousands or millions of toxic no-names who can't play properly but still think they are good.
So your statement "always" is not accurate. It's only true for some toxic challenger player and the rest is garbage like everyone else and shouldn't try to flame others.
Those are rare cases, try to boost an account from bronze or silver. See how many toxic trash players you meet. People with a good attitude are way more likely to be good than the toxic ones. Because it's a healthy mentality that allows you to improve and comeback in games. People who are toxic will just spend more time flaming than playing the game and throw it. Also, a lot of good players dont even say anything but they simply arent toxic.
rat irl is good but hes smurfing constantly, which kinda makes him look better than he actually is, if you meet him in soloQ he will judge you entirely based off what champion you play, so if he doesnt like your champion pool, for the rest of the games you play with him in the future he will be toxic towards everything you do, regardless if you are doing well or not. Not a nice guy to play with as funny as he may seem.
Honestly on Dardochs side if i had teamates who were happy with their overpayed salaries and didnt strive to be better i would be upset and toxic to them.
in league there are like 1000 different options of play you can do, you do 1 wrong one? dardoch screaming at you, he makes mistakes too but he never put in perspective how treating team mates effects their gameplay. He did more harm then good even if he was carrying he basically gave no one a chance to except on TSM, he basically got told to shut the fuck up and go
Facts!
You deserve way more subs man
Hassanain Nawrozi how's Year 12 going dude?
League is on the way out.
Phi Nguyen ur such a no life kid
Who came here after the video announcement of TSM Dardoche 2020 ?
Wont last long
this will be his best team by a long mile watch him smash NALCS with TSM
Can't wait to see him.
@@pavolsopa2136 he will be on another team in a week
I came here after his sejuani play at game 5 on playoffs. Way to throw the game at minute 5 engaging an olaf with no immediate back up lol
I think he has a point which somehow explains why he is toxic sometimes. Espacially the last part shows that his frustration due to his team playing bad, just bursts out of him. Some players can handle it silently and keep working on their team, while on the other hand others are just too emotional for that. Furtheremore I think that Dardoch is not that toxic at all. He wants to win and he wants to get somewhere and he will try everything possible to archive his goal. That attitude makes him very emotional and results in this kind of "toxic" behaviour.
That's just my opinion..
Greetz
Kazabubu agreed
Kazabubu Can you imagine Dardoch on TSM or like SKT with a proper coaching staff? He tries to talk any of that shit in those teams and he'll for sure get the ass whooping. Maybe that's when he'll actually start to be that star that shines
Being toxic is just going to make his teammates play worse so it's counterproductive.
ACE112ACE112 i mean it’s true, the last 2 minutes of the video says it all. it’s so frustrating from a competitive standpoint if you’re trying your absolute hardest to win, and you have teammates that either 1. don’t care as much as you to win or 2. not working hard enough to improve yourself to be able to win. fabbayyy is literally a solo queue troll, playing shit like draven mid w/ no MR runes against a syndra during his off-time when most LCS players are playing solo queue to improve their own gameplay.
RyuDaB3ast I don't think he'll ever get picked up by TSM. He got kicked off a team with one of the best coaching staffs in the NALCS in CLG. If Aphro and Zikz can't tame him, idk who will. Dardoch was getting carried in most of his games on CLG so you can't say he had to leave because his team sucked. Things were going well, behind the scenes apparently not so much.
For me, Dardoch always came across as a player whose desire and drive to win was higher than his desire and drive to improve, with or without his team. The guy acts the way he does because he is passionate, plain and simple. Quite honestly, if I had locodoco breathing down my neck and placing all the blame on me for an entire team's failure, I might get angry too.
I feel for the guy, he wants to win so badly, but that desire is the same thing that keeps him from improving with teams.
many environments need an emotional leader.. someone who is able to listen and understand the members' perspectives and frustrations, promoting their expression as long as it doesnt hurt others, promoting healthy communication and keeping the team's direction clear
He is a great jungler and that fact can't be argued. But idk how so many people here do not see or understand how disrespectful, rude, immature and emotionally unstable Dardoch is.
well telling a another guy that you suckss nothing bad about that
Nah you all giant ass snowflakes calm down this is pussy shit
He’s literally given 3 losing lanes every single game and the worst bot lane on the server, I don’t blame him for talking shit about his team and I would do the same in his position
@@astral9022 Facts! To this day, Team Liquid is still a dogshit team. Losing to Golden Guardians and being seen as the "average team"? lmao No passion for winning at all.
He was right, 6 years later LCS is totally dead killed by a too forgiving and welcoming environment
I feel like dardoch needs to realize that he's never gonna get to worlds if he keeps up that attitude. I can completely understand that when you perform at a ridiculously high level of play and your team under performs that you would get upset, but flaming in the middle of a match isn't the way to manage it. Honestly its his attitude thats put him on TL in the first place- he jist brings down team morale too much with his toxicity. All in all I'd say he's a really respectable jungler who can do a lot for his team if they can perform at an acceptable level, but his inability to work around the flaws in his team (however many) will forever hold him back
Well put.
a great example of a jungler is xmithe
Ryfy Wifi he should look at some of the best players in the world, none has attitude like him. A loser who thinks he’s the best will never goes far. Got kicked 3 times by 3 different teams for the same reason, I hope he learned something.
+Pham Cuong Never heard of Forg1ven? You know, the best adc to ever play in EU whose toxic mentality was all that let him down? The guy who pretty much solo carried EU to semis?
higglyjuff he was good but he didnt solo carry them. Jankos was the best jungler eu and he basicly half of the times set everything for orgiven, others were also pretty good. Now im not saying he isnt that good he was but big part is that his team performed well
Whenever I see the notification for your videos, I drop almost anything I'm doing and I go see it. Fantastic content as always man. Keep it up!
who came her after seeing TSM 2020 JUNGLE ANNOUNCEMENT?
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Man I love all your videos especially this series. Great work man!
Hi guys! Personally I think that trash talking team mates is not a healthy way to improve your team, because it has an overall negative impact on the players such as their morale. I agree with Dardoch that it is improtant to communicate with your team mates and tell them what you think they're doing wrong, but trash talk isn't the way to go. Rather, it is more healthy to give constructive feedback and not to talk down on someone. But hey! These are just my thoughts on the matter.
he's not trying to be alpha or anything he just wants to win and when he feels that there is no hope on winning he takes his frustration on flame in the chat
Like a lot of League players.
No excuse for toxicity.
+ACE112ACE112 what are you, like some homeschooled 12 year old? Do you get bullied or some shit Cus no one gives a flying fuckin about toxicity, it's part of any sport so why should league be any different?
ACE112ACE112 In any medium there's always a level of trash talk, and a competitive attitude. If you go on league like any other video game, there's going to assholes expect it. If you can't handle this aspect then mute everyone first thing or don't play the game.
The main problem isn't that he's flaming in ranked all the time. The problem is that he is very insubordinate and is very hesitant to cooperate with his team. He definitely has the skills, but no matter how good you are, if you're going to be a scumbag in a team environment, the team has no place for you. Think Tarzaned.
Having him move to Echo Fox with Huni really humbled him and that's been a great thing.
Dardoch has amazing skills mechanically and with the macro, but that isn't enough to be a good player. Being able to stay encouraging to your team, even in a loss, and keeping a level and humble head to identify where you went wrong in any play is the key to being considered one of the best players in this game.
Dardoch is on track to be just that now and he's been a damn sight to behold this year.
this aged well lmfaoo
I think instead of "flaming" in game he should just talk to his coach and express his thoughts. I overall respect his playstyle but its just unprofessional to shit talk people in your own team.
+An0N SaiKo The coach was a part of the toxicity problem in TL. There is no real evidence he was toxic on IMT and CLG. There is no evidence he is toxic right now on TL. In fact, looking at TL, he was uplifting for his team's morale.
+An0N SaiKo The coach was a part of the toxicity problem in TL. There is no real evidence he was toxic on IMT and CLG. There is no evidence he is toxic right now on TL. In fact, looking at TL, he was uplifting for his team's morale.
i can understand dardoch.. poor guy
Same I've always felt that Dardoch has never had the chance to be on a team that can actually make use of his talents. He is by far one of the best junglers in NA. Either he needs to stop being so harsh on his team. Or his team needs to stop being a bunch of cry babies and stick up for themselves
OmgItsKolton I mean... he got kicked by 3 teams because of his behavior...
League is not a kids game. If you can't handle someone giving you a little harsh criticism. Sack up. Simple as that. It may sound like I'm being inconsiderate but these people are supposed to be adults. They should act as such
OmgItsKolton I mean...you can say the same for dardoch. He's a grown man yet still acts like a child himself.
Kind of hypocritical no? Its not just criticism he was offering.
I love this eries. THank you for existing
“Dardoch is a currently a jungler....”
My boy Dardoch got his problems fixed with Echo Fox. Jared Jefferies is just too good man.
thank u league recap, very cool!
After the L9 members this guy is a letdown.
Because he's not a complete scumbag?
I think this series is more interesting when it's not only covering pieces of shit.
The series is called Infamous League players.The series is about the toxic/notorious players and not about random E-Athletes and their problems with their organizations.He being there is like a bike stealer in a TV Show called "The most brutal criminals ever existed". I dont know if you get my point.
In this series is included the best player in the world Dopa. I don't think this series need some toxic scumbags solo Q players, like L9 trashcans or similar. This one is a decent vídeo, and way more informative.
"L9 shits on pro teams constantly" wow, they shat on the worst players that barely consider to being pro. high master trash players are considered for scouting ground, so yeah..
Dark Star Ware It says "infamous league players" and that includes "infamous" toxic solo q players, dude.
CLG would be first seed rn with Dardoch. A lot of people will say Dardoch's ego is out of control. I would say most League player's egos are out of control. That's why they all fall to pieces under the slightest scrutiny. No, they really do. Yes, communications do get to the point where people are just insulting one another and that is not good for team communications and synergy but it takes two willing parties to escalate to that point.
Dardoch is willing to confront problems. Bjergsen and other Western professionals are unwilling and this is why they'll never show up at Worlds unless they have Huni and Reignover carrying them. The West will always be weak until they get stronger willed players to the top.
Uhh, TSM is 2-0 right now, C9 2-1 and IMT 1-1 so the west is doing fine.
and what did we learn in the end?
I dont think dardoch is toxic at all, no diamond players belong in the LCS, if you play like diamond gtfo of professional league
He got fired from 3 different lcs teams for toxicity. What do you think that means? He even agreed himself he was immature and toxic and regrets his past behavior.
@@feitan3743 because if he doesn't say that no team will take him in. It's called being a fake pc bitch.
jensen saying "so toxic" made me cringe so hard
Hailarious that one got banned and one didnt
@@yourlocalantifacist9524 Jensen was literally banned for like 2 years what the fuck are you saying lmao
Lonesomeranger plz :)
I freaking love your series :)
in EU that's like compliments
Ow boi is it Xmas because some one I love just uploaded
Tbh Dardoch is just keeping the truth and keeping it real. Players are going to get better when they 1/9 saying "Aw man, another bad play." Yes Dardoch could be a bit nicer but, he is just trying to make them improve more. That's all.
Yeah thats why your team rather not goes to worlds and recruit some random from the ladder than play a singel game more with you...
Dardoch being kicked off the team for toxicity while being the only one with the drive to want to win and confront mistakes. Summoner code working its magic in the pro scene now too, well done Riot! The way things are going for all the players on that TL team shows pretty clearly who was in the wrong throughout the split, your boy Dardoch was right in calling his bot lane D5 level!
4:36 Old Tyler1 wouldn't have healed that Lulu.
That Janna player has to be SUPER fucking mad now LUL
He was right though. And his dude coach at the end did cut him off half way through his sentence and struggled to acknowledge that at all.
make more of these its my addiction
Like how some ppl say shit like skill > toxic and all that shit. The point here is that hes toxic and uncooperative with his team, especially in professional play where u guys are a team its not just soloq whr u probably wont see them again. Ruining ur relationship with ur teammates and bringing team morale down does more harm than good.
I don't know if anyone else has played IRL sports, but being toxic or having a bad attitude is one of the worst things to have on a team. If there is one player who is amazing, but constantly makes other players feel like shit it will make the synergy of the team go way down, and in most cases one player is never enough to beat an entire team of unified players.
omg nice video! and @League Recap what is the name of the song at 4:20 ?
The music overpowered some of the commentary
Hey! Nice video but the music was too loud on some talks from players
He gets „toxic“ because he wants to win so badly. I respect that. He is one of my fav players
Look where he is now with new competition in the block... His own strength is his own undoing. Sad he can't turn it around but every action has an equal reaction.
Actually really misunderstood player. I viewed him as someone very competitive in the wrong sport to compete in. In every traditional sport his behavior is on the aggressive side but very much common and not at all toxic. Simply a guy with a high drive to win.
Dardoch is a currently a. Great job guys!
11:13
I hate when people interrupt me like the manager did
tbh he doesn't seem to be a too bad guy, he had is points
that last clip is legendary
The only thing I see is someone who wants to win. Toxicity comes when you have to deal with garbage team mates.
I totally get and support Dardoch's behavior.
Oh yeah, IMT and CLG gave him garbage teammates for sure. Certainly not his attitude that got him kicked out of there. IMT went to worlds, unlike Dardoch and his garbage attitude. This is a team game, your individual talent isn't worth shit in competitive if you cant coordinate and make excuses and blame or flame people for having poor performances. That's not how it works, not in LoL, not in soccer not in any other team game. If he is that much of a scummy human being then he should just play solo games.
Com probably won't be seen but i'm gonna say it anyway : That's funny that Dardoch is considered an infamous player in competitive (justified in soloq btw, 100% agree) when the environment itself got so much issues. And still somehow gets picked up by line ups/teams, and even describe by CLG when kicking Xmithie as "the one who can fill their only weak role over the years". When Dardoch first got in competitive, some analyst, LS being one of them, made the statement that teams had to take him out of solo q, from the free market, from every other teams. Because he was simply too good. Implying that they're blind concerning his behavior as long as he performs... But Liquid Lourlo just said around 2.m that "Dardoch begin to flames when they lose, he's cool if they win" :Thinking: Okay then, he has no right to do so, but teams can use him and then throw him away when someone as good (and even weaker) is around, by stating that it is disregarding the team. The marketing's good thats for sure, but still nice hypocrisy. * nice video btw ^_^ *
I acknowledged those toxic players that has highest drives to win but for me it's better to MOTIVATE your teammates instead of looking down on them, that's the key to success.
Funny and interesting to see how many of these INFAMOUS players are actually in the end one or two things;
1) Very elitist players that genuinely perform well and criticise on-point but end up insulting and flaming everyone.
2) Challenger prodigies that don't care about getting banned everytime they climb to rank 1 and would just int a game if they didn't feel like winning / wanted to troll a specific person
just listen to this at 8:22 the choice for background music is completely fine. but why are u making it a CHORE to figure out what bjergsen is saying. just lower the music 3 notches.. ITS CALLED BACKGROUND MUSIC FOR A REASON
From a skill perspective, Dardoch definitely shows some glimpses of great potential. However, that is all moot in a team setting. This isn't solo queue where he can just go around making plays by himself. He needs to do so with the four teammates he has in a given match in a professional setting. And a professional setting would entail not being that toxic player you have to mute before you develop cancer.
this is a good channel...
Dardoch's problem on Liquid (for those of you who didn't watch the documentary) is that he de-legitimized his own problems when he identified other ones. For example, LocoDoco was a HORRIBLE coach while on TL (in respect to team mentality) and he fostered a negative player environment. However, Dardoch had his own anger and tilt issues where if he was going down, he dragged the team with him. Dardoch focused on Loco's shortcomings and completely dismissed his own. You even see this in the interview with Steve (last portion of this video). The points and problems Dardoch brought up WERE RIGHT. But, he used them to shift the blame off of himself and ignore all of the issues that he was causing.
Its a shame, too. Dardoch is a mechanically talented aggressive jungler who can play the micro game amazingly well. If he humbled himself, opened up to learning from others 24/7 (not just when hes stomping) and respected his teammates in game I guarantee you he would have been on a top NA team by his second season in the LCS. He would have been picked up as an early game powerhouse and a prospect to coach and develop with a squad (insert Biofrost, Contractz, Cody Sun...all 3 of which are going to represent NA at Worlds 2017).
For S8 NA got finally rid of Locodoco and threw Piglet into the 2nd class he deserves to be in, while Dardoch fights on top with Echo FOx
kid was bullied in school
I can't say he's wrong for saying what he thinks/knows, You can see everybody that he "complained" about was removed.
I love this series.
dude, in your next videos please lower the volumen on the background music, still a very good video!
Lmao my man is like if you give me a diamond botlane xD
When people say dardoch being toxic is him just wanting to win, that's bs. Look at doublelift and tell me if he stayed the same way that TSM would have picked him up and kept him. No. That's not how it works, there is a way to vent your frustration.
Dardoch is a class example of a player with limitless potential getting nowhere because his ego is too big. Wont ever win shit cause he's not a team player.
I love Dardoch, and I sympathize with his frustrations. Bjerg is right though, so hopefully he learns to communicate in a more professional way when he asks Fox to get a better bot lane.
Honestly if it was just team liquid that had trouble I'd say he was just overwhelmed with frustration but the fact is he hasn't been able to work with any team. Clg kept things on the down low, but we see him talking shit about imt and how they'll never make it to worlds and that they're bad but imt's performance immediately skyrocketed when they traded dardoch away. Imt made it to worlds with Xmithie, who worked with and guided his teammates. A guy who doesn't have the patience to do that doesn't belong in a team environment.
4:29 every blame on the lulu is deserved and is not acceptable at any elo. I would straight up left the match
Dardoch is what Tarzan being in the LCS is like
2:19 how many times does he want to touch his hair
But he is actually telling the truth. The only thing he was trying to say was that the team needs a goal to reach. If players are lazy and they dont want to improve cause Paid by Steve then i can totally understand the behaviour. He tried to improve, win some games, get the team to worlds.
"Iam playing with diamnond 5 botlane"
this 10:16 clip, I can agree with what he is saying completely.
Put him in a team where the individual talent is more important rather than team play. He seems to be very vocal so he can lead the team, and because of their good players, he can work with actual players
Nitin Obla Individual talent hardly even matters in the game all together, nonetheless a team.
Lol these people complaining about him not being as toxic as players in previous videos. This series is called infamous league players (not toxic league players.) He is infamous for being a problem as a teammate and that is why he's here. It's the exact same thing as those chaox fanboys who complained lol.
I remember when he had to play with fabbbyyy.. holy sht i felt so bad for him and everyone else
It seems like Dardoch is taking his spot on the team as a businessman. He wants to rank up in the league of legends pro scene and he has his eyes set on only the best. If he feels his team is not putting the effort in to win, then why is he trying his hardest.
Dardoch-Sardoche Same mentality
Dardoch is right, his mates were so trash compare to him.
As we can see he really wants to win, and i understand that if he feel like 1v5 all the time he start to be toxic.
When you're pro gamer, you have to train and do as much as you can, so i totally understand him.
Right... but bot CLG and IMT did better without him? It's a team game, and if you start being toxic the rest 4 of your teammates are gonna hate your guts. It's not productive in any way and doesn't accomplish anyway. He's not giving constructive criticism, just pure flame. What's the point of it? It's a professional environment and you're getting paid to keep your mouth shut if you're frustrated and try to improve.
man, you read the comments wrong, in the last video, many people were asking for Sardoche, not Dardoch
What hurts the most is that Dardoch would have been without a doubt one of the top dogs in the LCS if it weren't for his shitty behavior.
It seems like most of these infamous players like Dardoch and such are from Euw and NA. Are there any players like this in say oce or something, just a bit curious.
It's not like Dardoch was the happiest, nicest player of all time, but it's also not like everything he said was wrong. Many of his teammates WERE actually hot garbage. Some of his teammates were even actively trying to make his life worse while he was on the team.
my favorite infamous player was RAT IRL that guy was insane no joke was next level
Very skilled player, being toxic when you play a lot of soloQ is kind of part of the process really. Even though Idont type toxic stuff, through my mind comes a lot of toxic thoughts towards underperforming teammates
10:18 That is SO "Art of War" right there
what confused me was dardoch said some things that korean(LCK) players say all the time, but in NA its offensive ?
he's been fired by basically every team in the LCS. it's his attitude and team environments get toxic because of individuals like him. that's why he got bounced from every single team.
i wanted to make worlds and IMT wouldnt get me there... well whos going to worlds? Dude i used to like this kid so much but he is the esports version of a ring chaser. Doesnt matter how good you are solo especially in this day and age where teamwork is so key to winning.
"he's getting smashed by Apollo and Xspecial" LOL fucking savage.
Jensen talking about toxicity? This shit is so messed up. Eune looks like a fairytail
what is the outro song? he doesnt have it in description
Ur favourite word must be ,,despite" lmao
Guess who is the best NA jungler right now? That is right, my boy dardoch, suck it haters
not anymore