The Advantages of Molinism Over the Boethian View
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- Опубліковано 24 кві 2024
- Dr. Craig explains why Molinism is superior to the view that God timelessly sees all of human history from beginning to end.
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Recently (about a week ago I believe) the atheist apologist Daniel Dennett died. Although I am not a fan of Dennett, I was wondering if Dr. Craig has or plans to discuss his career and demise in an upcoming video.
Edit: for anyone unfamiliar with Dennett, he is often referred to by his fans as one of the so-called "Four Horsemen of atheism" (a title I find amusingly pretentious) along with his colleagues Sam Harris, Richard Dawkins and the also deceased Christopher Hitchens. That should give an idea as to how highly regarded he is by the secularist demographic.
Been wanting to learn more about the Boethian view, thanks!
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Brilliant critique!
Not at all
@@TheBrunarr where can I read the best arguments for Boethism?
For the first time I have to acknowledge that I understood absolutly nothing. Are there any good books on Molinism or divine determinism?
Craig wrote "The Only Wise God", and I believe the last two chapters go into Molinism in more detail.
Second this.
What’s the response to “Molinism is just calvinism with extra steps?”
As long as those extra steps make up what is lacking in Calvinism, then so be it. Plantinga arrived at Molinism from Calvinism. And he did that because he saw that Calvinism was lacking. Why not say that Molina was standing on determinist shoulders when he saw further?
@@Loehengrin I believe both are in error, but as I am not Molinist like Dr Craig, I wanted more info
That's not an argument, just a claim, so it's hard to give a response
The real difference is that Molinism allows for human freedom, and Calvinism does not.
The major problem on Calvinism is that the person is not responsible for their decisions, and is still damned for it.
On Molinism, even though it still has a very strong sense of divine sovereignty, the person is in fact responsible, which fixes pretty serious problems.
@@JonTopping okay but isn’t it just doctor strange in endgame looking at all possible futures and setting it spinning??
Whatever view, keep the view focused on God.
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Does he not know the distinction between the knowledge of vision and the knowledge of simple intelligence? He's acting like God would only have the knowledge of vision.
He's very familiar with the distinction:
"Defenders of divine timelessness such as Boethius, Anselm, and Aquinas thus typically maintained that all events in time are real to God and therefore can be known by Him via His scientia visionis (knowledge of vision)."
www.reasonablefaith.org/writings/scholarly-writings/divine-eternity/divine-eternity
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Knowing ≠ dictating.
Absolutely. But it does still remove any possibility for free will.
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How so?
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It removes all other choices, because if any of those happened, it would make gods knowledge wrong. Causing a contradiction (god knows everything, god is wrong).
You can't freely choose if you have nothing to choose from.
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How so? Knowing ≠ dictating. You can choose whatever you like-its just that God knows what you're gonna feeling choose.
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What are you choosing from? There is only one possibility, the one that god already knows about. Doing anything else causes the contradiction I already mentioned.
I don't think these are the most pertinent objections... The worry about Molinism is that it makes God responsive to creatures, and thus tends towards Pelagianism
Question, would you apply this to all free-will theologies? Because I don't really see what's similar between Molinism and Pelagianism other than the affirmation of free will.
lol pelagiaism has nothing to do with Molinism. They aren't discussing or interested in the same questions.
Since, on Molinism, God has middle knowledge prior to creating anything, there's no sense in which God's knowledge is responsive to creatures, since there are no creatures that yet exist. - RF Admin