Left 4 Dead 2 Bots are Nonsense
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- Опубліковано 20 жов 2024
- Every L4D2 player's worst nightmare is the Articfial Integllence accompanying them. Enemy infected or not; the Left 4 Dead 2 community knows too well how nonsensical the bots can be in L4d2. In this video, we explore the true nonsense of the L4d2 bots.
The Pervious Nonsense Installment: • Left 4 Dead 2 Legs are...
The Nonsense playlist: • Nonsense
ive watched an entire bot team and they seem to respond to bots getting attacked faster than players
Hey, we really like your modified talker addon. Makes the game very immersive with 8 survivors. We use it every time we play now.
@@nascoz3884 thanks its really nice seeing these videos and seeing more people use it
if you ever need players id love to play with you guys
A bot will priority human players, if only bots they act more rational, all going towards the last one downed.
@@jmp01a24 lol, I had an ai legit 2 feet away from me leave me to respawn someone a solid 20 seconds away when I was getting smoked. Seems they forgot that part of programming
I was playing l4d (the original) and I was doing an advanced run of no mercy without any deaths, and I reached the rooftop finale, a tank killed zoey and I got downed, the helicopter came and I was still down. Bill and Francis ran to the helicopter and left me on the roof and they even killed the tank and just left my ass there.
you got left 4 dead
@@jaodasilva7993 noice pun
still better than getting knocked on the last second near the chopper and see all the bots escape while your ass gets beaten by mvm scouts as common infected
@@jaodasilva7993 😂
@@jaodasilva7993 It's worth buying.
bro literally the only thing that stops the enemy ai in this game being actually unstoppable is the fact they telegraph everything with audio
They can actually telegraph all infected at their range except for that one abomination called the jockey that most of the time I get pounced before they can telegraph it or they can see it.
@@smolpp1708 i just shove him and melee him if he pulls the old teleports behind you nuffin personnel kid
If the infected didn’t pause for a second before attacking you (smokers just staring at you for a second, chargers getting closer before they charge, hunters crouching for an extra second instead of pouncing immediately, spitters giving you a second to kill them before they spit, and boomers literally waiting like 5 whole seconds to puke) the game would be SO much harder, the only SI that DOESN’T pause for a second is the Jockey, which is still my least favorite SI to deal with
@@smolpp1708 I hate the jockey, it’s movements are so weird. Even when I CLEARLY know it’s there and am actively trying to kill it, it still somehow manages to grab me. After playing a few special infected practice maps I have learned to back away from them so they miss their first jump, then shove them so they can’t jump again for a bit, then kill them, but they are still a nuisance
(Also despite how much your instincts want you to, do NOT attempt to shove them mid air, it will not work, their grab hitbox is much longer than your shove hitbox)
@@AceTechn0 those are called telegraphing attacks and yeah the jockey really has a telegraphing problem, fucker just zips upwards as his jump animation and it has no warning and he grabs you the second he touches you
You forgot to add the random moments the survivor bots can do in versus where the survivor bots get aim bot and can snipe your ass through a tree from a mile away with the hard rain fog effect without missing. I've had it happen multiple times playing versus with friends. It's a reason why I call the Rochelle bot Hawkeye Rochelle.
Good point
Yea bro Rochelle’s ai is a beam in vs
I've had them 360 no scope me while pouncing as a hunter. Its actually kind of entertaining.
A bot...GETTING aimbot?
Did you misunderstand something abouts bots and how they AIM? WTF
It's always the Rochelle bot too
all the intelligence the friendly bots lack was actually drained by the zombie a.i
they ate their brains
@@AleK0451ta da ta da trrrrrrra
NOOOOOOOOO!!!!!
(the zombies ate your brain!)
Fun Fact: Jockeys can simply touch a person while midair and automatically start riding them, pretty sure this also works in versus
I usually mess up my shove just because of this. I click to shove while he's mid air and I expect him to get shoved but nope.. it's like a script or something, after some distance, it just becomes unstoppable.
@@tunahn22 I can rarely ever shove a jockey like that, I've done it maybe 5 times in 210 hours of gameplay.
@@OgSuda it's very inconsistent against jockeys for sure compared to Hunters and even using a sharp weapon to slice a Smoker tongue. I usually just run at them and hope I can shove them while they're still grounded
For some reason in versus sometimes when you jump right at the head pf the survivors you will just pump out or even you in the air you still either getting shove or straight pump out.
@LegendsAndFriendsI now have over 500 hours and no I don't sit in the menu lol
Tip: for bots to not heal you hold any healing item like defib first aid or adrenaline
Yes, but I'd rather play holding my weapons out instead of my pills or med kit. I just use my pills or adrenaline whenever the bots attempt to heal me.
@@nascoz3884 they STILL HEAL YOU if you use temp healing items
I do this but like he said in the video they will literally heal you at the worst times and I'm being serious I had a Med kit while running from the tank and then I went to turn around and shoot at him to slow him down then Louis decided to heal me. We both got downed
they won't teleport if you're looking at them
@@user-wq1dd8kt9l In those moments pull out any health items so the bots stop healing you, then depending on RNG they might switch priority to shooting the tank.
Beating Expert on both games only with bots for the first time was one of the most gruelling gaming experiences I've ever had
bot: uses last medkit.
also bot: immediately jumps off a ledge and dies.
kinda me. bots heal themselves before they got downed again because they just don't want to get out from Spitter's spit
the worst one is the tank, the most infuriating thing about his AI is that no matter the situation 97% of the time he'll hit you with the throw attack
The trick is it move in a predictable way until the rock is leaving his hands, then you reverse your movement
Because the Tank AI is programed to predict your movement path and aim ahead, otherwise you'll know 100% he'll miss and will just see his throwing attack as free time to attack instead of fearing him like the devs intended.
Just don't do zig zags, bait it with an obvious path then change direction as the rock leaves his hands.
@@theotv5522 and also don't try to use low objects as cover, the hitbox on the rock is bigger than it looks, I've seen A LOT of people try to use low objects as cover whenever it's about to throw and get hit every single time.
That is l4d1. Not l4d2.
Avoiding the rock is far easier in the sequel.
Aimbot
This shit is the reason why I resorted to using sourcemod. Lots of plugins in there are very useful from seeing your legs, increasing tickrate, and even making it so the bots actually *_flee_* when there’s a Tank.
Bots when you are being strangled: I sleep
Bots when they meet a tank: Buddy!
@@thepeskyone - yeah, default bots cannot do more than one task, so if you're being strangled while they're avoiding a puddle of spit, they will wait for the spit to dissolve before rescuing you.
I feel like bots, when there's 2, are assigned to different roles when a player is downed - I recall in the ending of Dead Cenre I got downed - Rochelle was a whiles away but Ellis was quite near, so he ran up to me, but just stood there shooting zombies, no attempt at trying to revive me. Took a while for Rochelle to reach but once she did, she started reviving me.
I've never seen something like this happen before, but it makes me think they have pre-determined revive/cover the reviving person roles that either don't change depending on who is where, or it does change and it just decided not to that one time.
Rochelle probably was on the first floor and you were on the second floor. Raw distance from Ro to you was smaller than Ellis on the second floor, so they were assigned as reviver.
@@Karma-Rv I don't recall Rochelle being that close but I think you may be right in terms of raw distance - probably closer and the game didn't think to reset their roles.
Somehow still better than Back 4 Blood bots.
100x bettet
The bots in dragon's dogma can learn how to fight specific monsters by mimicking the player's actions.
For example, when you fight an undead for the first time, they will use whatever skills they have, but once you use crushing damage, light and fire magic, they will adapt and improve, seeing that it is effective.
i wish they would also learn from me how to avoid monster attacks, but instead my pawns will just stand right in front of the damn thing and make no effort at all to avoid everything it does
I love how they shoot the hunter instead of pushing the hunter out and the same thing as the jockey
@Nova Fam exactly
Sometimes I would even go as far as to say that the infected AI can be unfair. Especially when I'm trying (emphasis on trying) to speedrun campaigns on the mutation last man on earth, so I have no other bots to help me and there are no common infect. Just me and the special infected. As most already know, if the AI thinks you're doing too good, it bumps the intensity up a bit, which I have seen tanks spawn behind corners, and even when I'm taking a shortcut in the map, the AI spawns a charger right around the corner that I'm skipping to, and I get charged immediately without being given a second of warning. No charger sound, nothing. That has been a very common theme in my speedruns. Sometimes the special infected even break the rules in the game just to get me. There is a reason why l4d is one of the only games that can get me so worked up.
When it comes to that mutation, i stock up on mods that severely buff damage with weapons to kill everything in seconds, tanks included!
The problem is you compare L4D2 bots to Human players, when they aren't. You should compare them to walking sentry guns, them essentially being tools to success. You shouldn't be too harsh and just abandon them so recklessly, but if they'll make a fine distraction for a final saferoom dash then your safety is more important.
They still like watching me dying from a Smoker smh
@@tgnm9615 Literally smoker grabbing you for like 30 seconds and the bot just looking at you in the eyes while you die.
It would be good if they actually shoot anything in sight including the ones attacking my back but no. The bots are too stupid for that. So I wouldn't be calling them walking sentries.
@@smolpp1708 Yeah well minus the aimbot and multiply the shooting your ass. Just treat them like expendable robots really.
Value deliberately make BOT not that good at killing infected similar to CS the Bot have the target scan range,reaction time speed and accuracy but unlike CS we can't set the bot to expert with godlike reaction time without moding.
Infected IA: work as a team perfectly coordinated to be efficient as possible.
Survivir IA: ignores you dying infront of them
The jockey can't have his leap interrupted by a melee bash from your gun or secondary, unlike the hunter's leap attack.
You can actually. Just aim up while bashing. For some reason the hitbox is upwards rather than horizontal.
i believe i can do sh!t to jockey while he tried to do his sh!t
I've short stopped Jockeys before, you just need to aim up a bit when you shove
@@smolpp1708That classic Valve behind the scenes spaghetti coding 😂
I've managed to do it though..
The Tank in L4D1 is scarier than he is in 2. If he catches you first on expert you’re dead, if you set him on fire he gains a massive speed boost that makes him look like an angry charging grizzly. It’s better to not even light him on fire in the first game especially on expert.
Human Bots: *Noob*
Infected Bots: *Pro*
Chess Bots: *Master*
Chat Bot: “I can’t assist with such a disgraceful thing”
@@thelowestoflow5486 True
One thing about the boys teleporting is that they will never teleport if a human player is looking in the direction of the bot. Think of it like their teleportation is similar rules to vs mode special spawning. No line of sight+distance=teleport
When it's easier to avoid damage from Hitscanner enemies than melee enemies
The bots are so bad that people have been making workshop items to improve them
Do a video about the commons. The worst enemy in whole L4D2. Be sure that when you about to land that lethal shot against an infected, a common will speedrun up to your back and start pouncing so the aim goes straigt up into the sky or down to the ground. Next second you're smoked, charged, jockied, boomed or whatever the director sends at you. And its not fair. One team get just a small amount of commons, the next team will be swarmed constantly so you out of bullets before you leave the saferoom.
It’s like the game knows I have low sensitivity. I swear most of the commons I fight are behind me and they’ll deliberately go behind me and attack there instead. Some of them spawn within a perfect timing as well. Chasing a special infected or being chased by a Tank will have a 100% guaranteed spawn of at least one infected even if you *_knew_* you just cleared the area.
It doesn’t help the fact that their animations are so “realistically complex” that you cannot shove them out of the way (as in push them aside) because their animation will either play them hitting the wall over and over again. Dealing with armoured CÉDA police? Don’t bother. You can shove them infinitely against one spot on the wall and they’ll stay that way.
@@Pluvillion lol - man I hate those armored police myself shooting them in the front does jackshit, they just knock back and keep coming blocking your way and sight. Ever swing that melee on them in an endless loop against a wall? You can stand like that all day, he won't fucking die until you get view of his back and can kill them. Also I sometimes swear our team get 400 infected on a map, while other team just encounter 50. Regardless of boomer hits. Its a love hate relationship, but it feels damn good when you had a good day.
Perhaps...
@@nascoz3884 I have faith in you, my colleage.
Definitely. And the way they stagnate you from moving when they hit (esp in groups) is a topic as well. There's no reason I shouldn't be able to simply move forward/away from a singular [common] zombie when it's attacking. You're basically stuck until you shove it or shoot it and by then, as you said, a special has got you. Unless you're surrounded, the character should be able to move.
It was always a struggle when a rescue vehicle arrives, the bots don't even move and just keep fighting the horde. It's pretty much hard to fight with the l4d bots without an ai mod.
i hate when they stand *just* outside of the rescue vehicle range, just shooting. usually they get attacked by some special infected and in the worst case scenario, they do this long enough for the tank to catch up 😐 same thing happens with safe rooms, they’ll linger outside shooting everything in sight even when there’s specials or a horde instead of just running into the safe room when they have a clear shot 😅
@@im_azraelle Right? I don't know why valve didn't just fix the ai issues back then. Thank god for mods lmao
I've played l4d2 long enough to understand the survivorbots algorithm and yea it's pretty dumb. It's not even balanced when infected bots are smarter than survivor bots in my opinion.
I always had a thought that TLS made the special infected harder but the survivor bots remain the same like bruh.
Ik this is old but, where would the fun be if your bot team would be more capable than the average player. It would be more helpful but also damage the balance kinda
@Ramdom That's what makes it scary. It'd be boring other wise if the bots took care of everything or are too reliable.
Like they said, bots being they way they are does help encourage to play with other people or friends. Ofc do we all have our rage moments when bots are too dumb to safe us.
4:37 this was both the most relatable and the funniest shit in this entire video, hands down
A tip for countering jockeys: Tap the S key very quickly to slow down a bit before the jockey jumps. The jockey will jump too early, land right in front of you, and you can move in for the kill or shove. It works almost every time for me
Just don't get too close when you shove him ;)
I've been playing l4d for almost 10 years now , but played online only twice in my entire life . I can fully agree with the bots being so weird , at first it made me really upset but I just can't be upset at them anymore , they're like my children I try to protect
Why not online? Even terrible teammates are better than the bots
@@itsdabeesyeah say that when you’re incapped , surrounded by a horde and have just the single basic pistol
Bots will kill the zombies and pick you up even while receiving damage, terrible teammates will struggle to do so, I know from experience
10:47 - a tear fell down my eye in contained laughter.
i got lost in the last chapter of the mall and nobody wanted to say anything
Always play tank run here. I always say the same "they recycled the enemy IA from cs 1.6 for the tanks". It´s just insane how they almost seem more competent than real life humans.
Left 4 Dead 2 bots can either be a complety braindead liability or singlehandedly carry a team. There is no in-between.
I've noticed that the bots will always use a med kit at the start of each chapter regardless of what their health is
This is only a problem on easier difficulties. Crank that boy to Expert and bots die within seconds
The jockey bots have to be the worse things on the planet, reminds of a meme I saw where it was a picture of all the special infected with a caption under each of them and the jockeys caption was just "fuck you" most relatable shit ever
6:00 missed opportunity to say "Instead of being an asset to the team, they're being an ASS to the team!"
As a 12yr lfd vet this is all valid information
I'm screenshotting this for my UA-cam resume
@@nascoz3884 u can use me for a reference to
It should honestly be an achievement to beat a campaign on the normal difficulty on singleplayer especially if they all survive holy hell.
I heal them more than they do themselves.
Get confused by hordes when I was being dragged by a smoker into spitter spit while delivering cola.
0:12 the alien from alien isolation
Is not as great as it is portrayed to be. Its perfect at what its intended to do but its overhyped.
@@hofiboy4499 do the no death + pacifist + hard difficulty achievements in one run and you’ll get it
It says enough about bots that they have the ability to shoot through you without damaging you rather than just not shooting you at all.
As of these days, the bots are useless when it comes to pushing away the zombies around them. Even with L4Bots + L4TLS, and Improved A.I. (Advanced), they can't do a damn thing to protect themselves from a single ci.
It’s hardcoded sadly. Even if you were to give them inhuman aiming (Merciless Survivor Bots), they’ll prioritize using their pistols and then shoving when something is close. They’re also hardcoded to shove whoever’s on you instead of shooting them. They _will_ try to shoot if they’re relatively far away, but upon approaching they’ll cease fire and shove instead.
It’s the reason why giving them the ability of using a melee weapon is a bad thing because even if you specifically set its convar to 0, they will approach an infected instead of progressing forward. This makes them lag behind if you’re not paying well attention.
@@Pluvillion I'm a bit late to this, but thanks much for the explanation and info! 🙏🏼
@@pauldee7504 - there is a weapon enforcer mod in the workshop. It disables the AI from using their pistols at all. Have a look!
What the name pls ?
As someone who never could buy the game but played it for years, I've suffered playing with bots forever, and for the first time I feel like someone understands all my pain
5:51 you're supposed to crouch to let your teammates shoot over you. The game tells you this
A bot will get confused if two players are downed, it does not know where to go so it end up running one direction, then turn, run toward the other downed, and verce visa.
Smoker be like : Time to shine
it also happens when other bots get downed, it'll keep switching between you and the other bot as the target - even if it was 1 step away from reaching & reviving you
@@brunobruno-c1d IK, it looks mental and very annoying. Esp. when you almost saved, the bot suddenly cancel and start run to someone else downed.
@@jmp01a24 yeep
i understand they made bots dumb as to encourage players to play with eachother, but after so long i feel like it should've been fixed
specially since its in such a dumb way, i get not having bots that can carry everything for you, but going half a map away to revive someone else when they're 3 steps away from you is too much
Bots never got confused with me. They always tend to help the first player who gets down. Or they will help the player with the lowest hp when being down.
The Hunters are the masters of the scratch. Everytime they miss a pounce, the instant they do, they've already scratched my ass to kingdom come. Every. Single. Time. All in less than one frame.
The Jockey's movement are so erratic, especially the "jump back" maneuver. It makes me cringe and jerk whenever I hear em giggle. With their horrific 320 hp, short and arched posture, coupled with the jump back, I swear they are as healthy as a full blown charger. Hitting a headshot on them is harder than winning the lottery.
6:22 The bot infomercial was my favorite part about this lol
6:00 I know why they do this. In Left 4 Dead 1, there's an achievement for completing a campaign with no friendly fire. There's very little doubt that the team that worked on the game deliberately coded this behavior in just so that achievement can be harder to get and this bit of their AI got carried over into Left 4 Dead 2.
i found that the special infected that pin you also know when to isolate you from your team in spots where the rest of your team cant get back to.
You are actually correct both on the Jockey and the Infected commons. Both are actually very smartly coded both to frustrate the player and sometimes to actually punish those who stray a little bit away from their team-mates.
From my observation, the infected has like a rule they follow.
1. they prioritize targeting players who advanced far enough from others. Doesnt matter if that common is sitting next to a lagging player, they'll home in to that guy who is a step ahead.
2. they will always avoid the spot where your crosshair is. Which of course leads to them going around and even targeting your back.
3. they will use themselves to cover specials. this is more noticeable when it comes to jockeys and Smokers too.
1:55 Bots actually won’t teleport if you are looking at them, so if you are trying to force a bot to teleport to you because they can’t path find to you, you need to turn your screen elsewhere
I still remember one time I was just playing the Four Swordsmen mutation on my own for fun and I had a moment in the 2nd chapter of Dead Center where I got grabbed by a Smoker that was on the grocery store roof and it led to me hanging just slightly off the ground while against the wall.
All three bots ran over to save me, just to stop and stare at me from mere inches away as the Smoker slowly killed me.
They wanted you to die lmao
I'm sure this has already been said, but I'll just add it here for good measure. The dev commentary in one of the games states that they didn't want the survivor bot AI to be *too* good so you would prefer to play with actual people as the game was intended to be enjoyed.
they are good enough to beat realism expert even tho u have to baby sit then alot so thats enough.
Tips:
They will only heal you if you have no healing items.
They cannot start Panic Events or Crescendos.
the first one is quite wrong: they can still heal you up if you have medkit etc. and they will stop healing as soon as you equipped your medkit or any healing items in your hand. it's like going IDLE to stop players healing you
@@fishtak72 yes, i am aware. i was stupid when i wrote this comment
I got a mod that improves the AI. Like they can defib you, they will know when to leave another survivor behind, and they know how to continue without you. Super good.
I swear the one thing the friendly A.I. bots are good at (at least sometimes) is sniping down special infected before you even know the SI were there. So they could actually protect you as long as you haven't been captured yet.
You have the most entertaining commentary I have ever seen in this game
Many disagree
I just got this on my recommended after playing L4D2 at my friends and I want to confirm that the infected A.I. is STUPID op. I swear whenever a jokey was around, he would avoid literally EVERYONE in his way just to ride me (pause) and he would show up at the most inconvenient times i swear.
So it's canon that being infected actually makes you smarter.
Btw for those that are a bit confused...all this stuff happens on advanced and expert. In east and normal modes, the AIs are programmed to wait a few seconds before using their attacks. But yeah you're better off playing solo
True, on lower difficulties the special infected AI does not react as fast as in Advanced/Expert, so the survivor bots can actually react on time too.
The scarier thing about the tank is that if you think you can just slip past him he will full on just moon walk his way over to you and still hit you while looking the other direction. So the safest way to get around the tank without even firing a shot is to literally run a Tron line to mess up the angle and go around the tank. Once you get a certain angle pass the tank, he will chase you like normal.
Bro I was dying when he said the final boss was the jockey and was like nah he isn't that bad but then you showed the DOUBLE WHAMMY and I had Vietnam flashbacks that I had suppressed in my memories and couldn't control my laughter.
IKR! Jockey always, always wait in a corner to get me, and all the survivor bots would just follow and shoot the ground. Every time when I pick up a sniper rifle I notice the common infected never, never run in a straight line, and the lag of the weapons will always make me miss. damn pisses me off.
:survivor and tank are equal in speed,tank can overrun you by run in specific angle.They can always predict you and throw a rock directly at you
me:run away from tank in tankplayground for literally 10 mins and successful rescued
Im crying 😂😂😂 10:06 the pounce back from the jockey is the biggest facts ever💀
At least they are better than Back4Blood AI. OMFG AI Jim before the new patch was a death sentence and made me back out and restart the game
You mean i buy Rochelle, Coach and Louis all together for only 15 pounds? BOI
veteran/expert bots in versus are pretty scary
9:54 hunters are terrifying, because when you hear that summon youre always on edge untill you can confirm you filled him with 15 pounds of bullets and the ai Tries to get the drop on you in any way, hiding everywhere being in the distance Whatever it can do to make sure it gets you, usually huntersll get you and sometimes you or a teammate shoots them first or rarely theyll miss a leap, but Jockeys, jockeys just run towards you and Somehow get you no matter what, i think i have stopped a jockey before it can ride me less than 6 times
even worse is despite how they can practically teleport to you from like 3 feet away in singleplayer, in versus its like trying to throw a feather at someone but Youre the feather, you have to be pixel perfect to get on the survivor and in 99% of cases you just get killed in 3 seconds before you can even pounce
Me as Nick: *Gets raped by the Hunter"
Teammates: *Watching me die seconds later*
Me in Nick's voice: *Dumbsh*t*
I've made this oath to myself to never play Expert (and or Realism) with Bots, and to only do Expert with friends. Its pretty much almost impossible to beat the campaign with them.
I'm glad you made this video since it shows most of my frustrations with the bots lol
Literally the ONLY good thing I can say about bots is that when they revive you, the revive bar won't get reset if you get hit by a infected. Which doesn't count for player revives.
Although if you have 3 players, 1 bot, its fun to either babysit the bot or root for them when your teammmates mess up lol.
Yeah, alway suspect that charger in campaign has some kind of resistance since it's literally take 4 shot when it's charging instead of 2 shotgun shot to kill it normally.
I didn't know this either up until I made this video
Yeah iirc AI chargers in campaign take 66% less damage while charging which makes it impossible to one shot them with a well-placed melee attack. I only know sourcemod plugins that fix it but I'm not sure if anyone ported it to workshop yet.
I love how you put my favourite DMC 3 soundtrack
I kinda like the npcs in l4d2. Because one: If you install Advanced AI mod, they will get twice as smart, but they're still pretty smart without it. And two: *I always have people to murder*
Also sometimes the hunter hides in corners and in bends so they can get the jump on you when you dont expect it, common infected also run in zigzags so you cant hit them when they arent in hordes i think, they even sometimes stop and move sideways so when you shoot you will miss(when they arent in hordes) they even sometimes wait untill theres a swarm on you, thats what i experienced, idk if this is the same for everyone.
Haven't watched the vid yet but I just want everyone to know that there was this one time where I was waiting for the elevator in No Mercy and every bot teleported into the shaft and died, atleast it got me that achievement that requires getting 3 people from 1 rescue closet
4:43 is the PERFECT example of bots being from Romania
The part about healing items were so fucking accurate man. This shit is too good.
i'm so glad someone captured the jockeybot's true essence. jockeybot can glide and change direction mid-air lil a nimble feather.
I like how almost half of this is either on a custom map, or a custom mod is being used, sure i get it the bots aren't up to par, but most of this sounds like a troll.
Yeah, use the main campaigns to do it. Since custom maps will always be messed with ai mapping wise.
@@shcdemolisher Bots in normal campaigns are shit too, try to play versus with bots in your side is literal nightmare.
They even walk in front of you and then get mad that they were accidentally shot. They even have to walk closer when an enemy dragged the player away just so they can shoot the zombie. The worst part is the years have passed, yet the developers never even bothered upgrading the AIs.
Yall struggle with bots while im over here being worse than a bot. Or im just lucky and the bots i get are loyal and are smarter 😭
4:59 That “WOW” joke was really funny LOL
I hope blizzard gets their shit together.
Me too, man. Me too
While i agree with you on the Bots being awful...5:49, c'mon man you're standing in front of teammates in the middle of a hallway, granted they can move to different angles to not keep shooting you but that's still on you for that happening.
Best L4D vid I've seen in years, keep up the great work :)
Really good Friendly Bots = Less Sales
Interesting...
The jockey is the most hardest thing to counter alone. shoving isn't enough and you have to constantly shove him because a little frame will let him be able to get you.
Also shoved special infected AI are still able to scratch you while stumbling.
Also human AI in some maps in versus like swamp fever where you're trying to hide as a smoker/spitter to only get sniped perfectly by a bot is dumb.
i've heard they actually nerfed L4D2 bots because they were OP at launch so they dumbed them down to be as smart as a rock
I've read over 500 comments... This is one blew my damn mind.
@@nascoz3884 can't remember where i read about it but i couldn't believe it either; to make sense out of what people mean by "OP" tho i think they probably were still stupid, but had that old valve aimbot that CZbots used, iirc i heard something about the teleporting being exploitable too so that's probably what it meant.
because on the other hand you have footage of 2009 bots running of ledges so their pathfinding was probably worse.
That was stupid to make them dumb
we need "Left 4 Dead 2 Best avaliable servers are Nonsense"
The fact that the bots in L4d1 lets u behind rushing to the next saferoom while in l4d2 they "stay" with u all the time.
it's kinda fun having 1 survivor bot when playing versus: they sometimes do an 180 and aimbot infected, and can _see_ through foliage
yeah but when you play with and entire bot team is nightmare XD
3:25 literally every versus round I've been in.
Me: **is dying next to my teammates**
My entire team: damn bro that's crazy, but ur trash lmfaooo. **proceeds to kick me**
The smoker sometimes does not make any noise when he spawns in, the amount of times I’ve been downed by that shit on expert is unreal, especially when running to the safe room solo.
Got knocked out by a charger once.. they just stared at me the whole time💀
Imagine an AI IRL having trouble path finding and ends up walking through a high floor window.
O_O
I nearly lost a Expert Realism run to a bot healing me WHILE THE ESCAPE WAS READY. I've never had my stress level jump like that before especially considering getting to that point with bots took quite a few retries.
Bots tend to not teleport if you’re looking at them. Boys also usually will only teleport if they can’t pathfind to you quick enough. Which means, if the bot determines that A.) it can catch up, it won’t TP and B.) if you’re looking in its direction it also won’t TP. Of course there is exceptions but that’s the general rule of thumb.
spitter is very very op against bots. After you understand they movements you will know after they stand on spit they will go back and wait 7/5 seconds (probably the same spit timer amount since they got into the spit) and you can sometimes solo spit one bot while the rest will completely ignore and continue, then down that one bot, the whole squad will go back and the cycle happens again. I do that on versus 8x8 players which mostly many of them are ai bots.
Ay, love the videos NazCoz these are really funny ❤