Jonsbo N2 vs Fractal Design Node 304 NAS Case - Which DiY NAS Case Should You Buy?

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  • @paldepind
    @paldepind 10 місяців тому +22

    I think hot-swap drives in a case like this is an anti-feature. You can not have front fans and hot-swap drives at the same time. Realistically speaking, how often are you going to switch drives? A few times a year would be quite often. Having good airflow seems much more important to me. I can understand the need for hot-swap drives in a data center with 1000s of HDDs and in a noob-friendly product like Synology. But for a DIY NAS it doesn't seem worth it to me.

    • @christopherjames9843
      @christopherjames9843 9 місяців тому +2

      Hot swap for a home NAS is a cool concept but for a good DIY NAS I would rather go your route. More room and better fan options.

    • @c0p0n
      @c0p0n 9 місяців тому +5

      A few times a year would mean some issue in your home or psu frying your disks or anomalous usage patterns. More like once every few years.

    • @Trains-With-Shane
      @Trains-With-Shane 3 місяці тому

      I agree unless you're buying really clapped out second-hand enterprise decom drives then the time between hard drive failures should be measures in years.

  • @chriscardwell3495
    @chriscardwell3495 10 місяців тому +5

    Used a Node 304 for a Core i7 computer - initially with 2 hard drives - space was difficult using a maximum size air cooling tower.
    Temperatures were fabulous, fans very quiet. I might now be tempted to build my own case (not cheap) - improving on the Node 304

  • @yitspaerl7255
    @yitspaerl7255 10 місяців тому +2

    I totally agree. The fractal Design enclosure is perfect for a high end workstation. Not for a NAS. My workstation resides in this Fractal Design..Which is fine. Thanks for your reviews!

  • @leatherwiz
    @leatherwiz 10 місяців тому +2

    I built a fractal design micro tower pc for everyday use and gaming. Great quality and the fans are really quiet 🤫 I would buy a FD case every time. However the hot swap is definitely missing. That 304 case would be great for a compact desktop gaming pc.

  • @stereodark
    @stereodark 10 місяців тому +4

    I just built mine on 304 mainly because the Jonsbo was 100€ shipping while the 304 was readily available at my local retailer.

    • @zyghom
      @zyghom 10 місяців тому

      I am million % with you, actually I was really thinking 10 times if 304 would not be enough (and cheaper). What made me "NO" is the no air intake in 304 in front - very limited I believe.

    • @stereodark
      @stereodark 10 місяців тому

      @@zyghomfor smaller CPUs like N100 or so the intake is more than enough. If you want to build a NAS with a powerful CPU such as a Ryzen 7 or i7 I think you are right, but also the Jonsbo wouldn’t be ideal.

    • @zyghom
      @zyghom 10 місяців тому

      @@stereodark no, not for CPU, for the HDD cooling air flow, my CPU is Intel Pentium N6005, very low power I believe but good enough for NAS - I don't have any docker or other app except TrueNAS - my Proxmox on the beast machine does the job of virtualisation and so on.

    • @stereodark
      @stereodark 10 місяців тому

      @@zyghom looking at the stats for the disks they have been max 35C and average 29C in that case. And I basically fully loaded them for days in the last couple of weeks. I think the airflow on the disk is more than enough. The disks are all Seagate Enteprise drives, not sure about other devices but with these the heat is not a problem at all.

  • @DavidtheDoom
    @DavidtheDoom Місяць тому

    I have both at home, both used for NAS machines however, the 304-system is decomissioned.
    Also, kudos on getting the mITX and mDTX info correct. Most just miss the mDTX-formfactor!

  • @MultiRanman
    @MultiRanman 10 місяців тому +3

    I have the 304 Node. I wish it had a little better organized routing for wiring. Otherwise, it’s never been a problem, it’s cool and I could add a GPU.

    • @lyianx
      @lyianx 2 місяці тому

      Ive been able to work around the wire routing, using the center bar (where the drive racks mount to) and zip/twist ties to keep cables neat. I also put in an SFF PSU for shorter cables which helps. I also removed the manual fan speed selector in the back and just plugged the fans into the mobo headers. You can get it fairly clean, but you do have to work at it (as is the case with alot of SFF cases).

  • @Trains-With-Shane
    @Trains-With-Shane 3 місяці тому

    I built my most recent NAS in a 304 and cable management having 6x 3.5" drives in there with a fairly large CPU cooler was a monumental pain in the ass. But needing to use a fairly tall cooler plus wanting to use more than 5 3.5's necessitated the 304. Now.. That being said i'd really like to try the N3 as an option for my next build. I wish they offered it in white though like they do almost EVERY other case in their lineup! lol.

  • @chromerims
    @chromerims 10 місяців тому +1

    Your PCIe cards (8x NVMe and 10gbe) are cool 👍
    Nice video.
    Kindest regards, neighbours and friends.

  • @c0p0n
    @c0p0n 9 місяців тому

    I have the fractal node in white. It's phenomenal, and considering I have children at home not having front hot swappable drives is a feature.
    Regarding the PSU on it even though you can fit a full size one, you really want to use a modularSFX psu with an adapter for screwing it into the frame. Will give you tons more clearance and a greater choice of mainboards, for instance some have the SATA ports at the back where the PSU would be and the connectors mounted vertically.

  • @TazzSmk
    @TazzSmk 10 місяців тому +1

    I bought Node 304 in august 2013, it's still a fantastic case, can even fit Noctua NH-U14S cooler and run basically fanless

    • @laurikvo
      @laurikvo 10 місяців тому

      Same! It still looks and works fine. I’ve kept it for all these years and currently planning to build a NAS to it. Previously it was my main gaming rig. Amazing features for the size and price since you can get find them used.

    • @TazzSmk
      @TazzSmk 10 місяців тому

      @@laurikvo I recently ran across 3D-print-ready models for custom SSD cages and even a mod for front mesh panel and huge front fan mount, kinda scary but incredible :D

  • @zyghom
    @zyghom 10 місяців тому +2

    nice video, as usual, however you could have added N3 to this comparison - volume wise N3 is very close to 304 (volume of 304 = 19.6, volume of N3=18.9)
    My 3 cents (as I recently built NAS on N3 and N2):
    - N2 does not have HDD indicators (LED) - N3 has - try to find out which HDD is faulty without it... ;-)
    - both N2 and N3 if with Topton mobos ... forget about front panel connectivity - you will have to buy adapters (btw why would you need audio on NAS?)
    - all these cases - but mainly mobos - don't have PWM for case fans - man, that is horrible even with silent fans - I added ESP32 based PID fan controller with temperature sensors and this way, in N3 all 5 fans (yes: 2 backside, 2 upside and CPU one) are controlled with PWM so that means: quiet like hell - I set up 35C as target temperature (for HDD) and 45C (for CPU) and usually fans are at less than 20% - but wait: winter is coming - it will go down to 5% ;-)
    - the front white LED on both N2 and N3 is... too bright - I set it also to dim (using the same ESP32, light sensor and PWM) automatically
    - as a "side" effect of having there inside ESP32 I have all the data from NAS on my Home Assistant as well
    - funny thing: since my PSU is 450W and the total NAS power consumption (measured on AC side) is around 60W, the fan in PSU never turns on - OK, I checked, it works ;-)
    Oh, I lied: I tried to build it on N2 but I decided to do it in N3 - more space for HDD, more space for everything else, more air for cooling - so I sold N2

  • @lyianx
    @lyianx 2 місяці тому

    5:36 Not the CPU. The PSU. Thats the PSU exhaust (the bottom is the intake). CPU exhaust would be the rear fan.
    I've not had the need to 'hot-swap' drives in the last 10 years ive owned the 304. So that aspect isnt really bothering me. The drive cages are only *abit* annoying in that the drives are mounted in a flipped way so plugging them in (specifically with SATA power) is a bit of a challenge having to flip the plugs over and back.
    That said, i would still prefer the 304 for its space and airflow over having hot swap drive cages. The 304 is more versatile with what hardware you can put into it (as you pointed out, you can put bigger cooler in it, thus a more powerful CPU.
    The drives dont 100% block the front fans, as there is space between the drives in each mount, and space between each mount. Allowing the front fans to pass air over the drives to keep them cool, then over the board, then out the back 140mm fan. Straight airflow covering everything.
    Also, finally, With the drive cages in the 304, its possible to mount 2.5" drives on the outsides of them. By that i mean, on the outter sides of the two end cages. So you *could* get 8 total drives in there (6 3.5" and 2 2.5"). I had a 2.5 mounted (boot drive) on one of the sides along with 2 3.5" NAS (storage) drives all on one cage. And since i wasnt using the other two cages, i just removed them and kept them in the box, freeing up more space for airflow.

  • @pp5x
    @pp5x 10 місяців тому

    To be honest, what I like about the FD Node 304 is that almost everything is repairable, switchable and sustainable. To know that Fractal Design has been on the market for a long time is quite reassuring. The Jonsbo N2 has hot-swap and the SATA backpane, but it does not look like repairable (in the advent that it would happen). For the same features I would rather look for Silverstone cases which are more professional and on the market for a long time.
    Maybe I’m just very picky, but there is not much information on the quality processes and the company behind the Jonsbo cases. But for a home NAS in combo with fanless Intel Celeron J**** it’s certainly a good choice

  • @Trig0r
    @Trig0r 10 місяців тому

    I've got the 304, came down from the 804, the 304 is a really good case, just need to swap the fans out for something a bit better (Noctua)..
    Just have to wait until (if) my Storaxa arrives before the 304 gets retired...

  • @briccimn
    @briccimn 10 місяців тому

    Fantastic review!
    I own a N2, coming from your earlier review to make a NAS, ut still facing with several problems managing the very tiny spaces it let use.
    The case itself is vry well built (look at the screwed and solid chassis parts while other brands use simple and cheaper bent metal foils).
    But when it comes to the useability, oh man, it lacks lot of things.
    I am also facing with TrueNAS Scale problems with sharing folders, but this is another story, and most likely a problem of mine, like noobing in this kind of building.
    Thanks a lot for reviewing having always in mind us, the final crazy guys making nice toys! 😀

  • @mrhoratiu
    @mrhoratiu 10 місяців тому

    Awesome comparison and I really liked how you explained all the differences! Too bad the Jonsbo didn't make the case a little longer..

  • @neccros007
    @neccros007 10 місяців тому +4

    Node 304 isnt going to have certain NAS features because it was designed as a ITX PC case not as a NAS focused case

    • @be-kind00
      @be-kind00 10 місяців тому

      I agree they should make a bit larger for mATX

    • @neccros007
      @neccros007 10 місяців тому +1

      @@be-kind00 Thats the Node 804

  • @dominikwierzbicki7384
    @dominikwierzbicki7384 10 місяців тому

    I build my diy TrueNas node on fractal design 304 three years ago for cold storage second copy

  • @MarcoGPUtuber
    @MarcoGPUtuber 10 місяців тому +4

    Node 304 by far.

  • @brandonchappell1535
    @brandonchappell1535 10 місяців тому

    Had my 304 for about 8 years, still works great, and cuz of all the cooling you can get it near silent, so six drives, with noctua fans sits around 30C, thats coming into australian summer, no AC on, its been great, although the DS380 is pretty damn nice, that being said i've not tested temps, plus theres talk that even low profile hba/raid cards foul on one of the drive bays.

    • @zyghom
      @zyghom 10 місяців тому

      if I was to build 12x HDD, 1 PSU is completely not enough - for such amount of disks, the case should have space for 2 PSU (redundancy).

  • @Zefram0911
    @Zefram0911 10 місяців тому

    cant wait for the N3 comparison.

  • @khirasier
    @khirasier 2 місяці тому

    well i think its because the n2 is very much designed to be a NAS, NOT a home server, which it seems everyone considers a NAS as a home server these days, its just meant for putting a mobo like an n100 in and then just throwing some drives into, nothing more, nothing less, its not meant for putting a powerful hot cpus and running plex servers or vms so it doesnt need that room for putting in gpus, and other full length cards the most you would put into it is maybe a 10g nic if you are too lazy to use a switch to turn the 4 2.5g ports into a 10g connection

  • @dezmondwhitney1208
    @dezmondwhitney1208 10 місяців тому

    If this proves useful to anyone ,this year I built my own PC (Not a NAS), using a 'Fractal Design' desktop mini tower case. It is of an All Metal Quality design with plenty of Ventilation and I would certainly buy a Fractal Design case again.

    • @meptalon
      @meptalon 10 місяців тому

      Same here. Been with their cases for like ever now. Never regretted. They simply stand the test of time.

  • @esunisen3862
    @esunisen3862 10 місяців тому

    My current PC a Node 804 build with Asrock Rack C226M WS, i7-4790K, 32 GB of DDR3, 2x10 Gbe, 8x8TB 3.5" SATA drives, LSI MegaRaid 9271-8i and MSI 3060 Ti Gaming X.
    PS: It also has a custom watercooling loop. I had to use a shoehorn to fit everything in there xD

    • @nascompares
      @nascompares  10 місяців тому

      That's ALOT.... *Faints slightly*

  • @amadeus999
    @amadeus999 10 місяців тому +1

    I purchased the 304 with the intention of building a NAS.server using an ASUS itx intel board.Decided to go w/ the Coolmaster N400 and Gigabyte mATX board.

    • @blahorgaslisk7763
      @blahorgaslisk7763 10 місяців тому

      Looked up the N400... Now that's old school!
      That's how PC used to be built some 15 to 20 years back, and while not modern it is a flexible design, especially if you need a case for a lot of drives at a low price.

  • @aflury
    @aflury 5 місяців тому

    You keep referring to PCIe slots as PCIe lanes. Like saying that a board has one PCIe lane when it has one PCIe x16 SLOT. With SIXTEEN lanes. Sorry, but it could be misleading.

  • @mattb7406
    @mattb7406 10 місяців тому

    Great job. I need to understand better advantage itx. Why not always build atx

  • @user-kg6uj6ji5p
    @user-kg6uj6ji5p 10 місяців тому

    I wish 304 cased available in sea region, otherwise N2 are great option available in here

  • @crowndroyal
    @crowndroyal 8 місяців тому

    Wish I would have seen this before making my choice 😢

  • @be-kind00
    @be-kind00 10 місяців тому

    Does fractal make a similarly awesome case for matx or atx?

  • @Luzankia
    @Luzankia 10 місяців тому

    I would had that the 304 is compatible with MINI-DTX. That mean you can have 2 PCI-e port.

  • @antonv6024
    @antonv6024 3 місяці тому

    Node 304 is good as a mini server, but for nas it is not very convenient and large enough, unlike Jonsbo N2.

  • @NicholasWang
    @NicholasWang 10 місяців тому

    Does the Node 304 have hidden 2.5" drive bays in the front cover? Would be cool if I can install 6 HDs and at least 2 SSDs for caching.

    • @zyghom
      @zyghom 10 місяців тому

      you probably know, that if for ZFS then caching is only needed if you have more than 64GB of RAM already on board. Otherwise, everybody says: don't do it

    • @khirasier
      @khirasier 2 місяці тому

      ssd's dont need to be that secure, just use some double sided tape and stick them somewhere with space

  • @stereodark
    @stereodark 10 місяців тому

    19:42 unfortunately there is no N100 board yet that is comparable to the N5105 you used in your build. I used the ASUS N100 board for my build but I had to sacrifice the NVME port for a JMB585 controller with 5 SATA ports. Moreover the Ethernet on that board is 1G, I didn’t need 2.5 or more for now, but I’ll have to get a PCIE card if and when I want faster networking. I hope someone else will make a N100 board with 6 SATA ports and 2.5G networking ootb

    • @zyghom
      @zyghom 10 місяців тому

      I went with N6005 and it has 4x 2.5Gbps. And even with HDD (not SSD) the difference is huge (vs 1Gbps). I have WiFi 6 at home and even over WiFi I am able to get into the NAS with around 1.5Gbps from my macbook. That would not be possible with 1Gbps NIC. Also: my NAS supports Proxmox, so both talk to each other over 2.5Gbps

    • @stereodark
      @stereodark 10 місяців тому +1

      @@zyghom for me that would not work anyways as I have an Ubiquity setup with 3 WiFi AP LR6, which have a 1Gbit Ethernet cable. The wireless is up to 2.2Gbit but it’s just the shared wireless bandwidth, each AP won’t get you more than 1Gbit as they connect through a port with that speed. I also have 4 switches and 3 routers with 2 ISPs and all are 1Gbit, I will upgrade all the networks to higher speed in the future but it will cost a lot. Today many thousands, in a couple of years it will be cheaper and worth it, especially when the ISPs will get over 1Gbit speed.

    • @zyghom
      @zyghom 10 місяців тому

      @@stereodark my ISP is also only 1Gbps but inside the LAN you don't have to be limited to 1Gbps. And 2.5Gbps managed switches are on Ali for 70 "nicka" ;-) (8 ports x 2.5 + 1 port 10Gbps), USB 3.x to 2.5Gbps LAN is also available for about 20 "nicka". That is how I upgraded my mini PC and now I have redundant link: main is 2.5Gbps and secondary is 1Gbps

    • @stereodark
      @stereodark 10 місяців тому

      @@zyghom the issue is still the APs. I don’t want to give up my Ubiquity managed devices and their 2.5Gbit AP is 300€, which for 3 units means 900€. Then my 4 managed PoE switches are much much more than 70€, even if I go Ali express, the cheapest are 160€ each and I would not manage them with the ubiquity console. The speed increase might be worth it for some specific use cases, but in the majority of situations 1Gbit is perfect.

    • @zyghom
      @zyghom 10 місяців тому

      @@stereodark I bought yesterday AP from Netgear (WAX220, wifi 6, 2.5Gbps)... 113 GBP, + I have 2 switches so it means my entire network costs me 250 - less than your 1 AP from Ubi... ;-)

  • @trowawayacc
    @trowawayacc 10 місяців тому

    Can we add hot swap bays to the node 304? What do we need for that to be posible?

    • @brandonchappell1535
      @brandonchappell1535 10 місяців тому

      yes, by buying a silverstone DS380 lol will even throw in 2 more drives for free

    • @be-kind00
      @be-kind00 10 місяців тому

      @@brandonchappell1535 what do you mean?

    • @brandonchappell1535
      @brandonchappell1535 10 місяців тому

      @@be-kind00 i mean you cant make it hotswap, just buy the silverstone DS380 instead, and it holds 8 hotswap drives

  • @Cornetto616
    @Cornetto616 10 місяців тому +1

    Calling 65mm not much space for a cooler - this person is not on r/sffpc 😆

  • @be-kind00
    @be-kind00 10 місяців тому

    Here is a link to a review of the Silverstone CS351 - mATX NAS Case Review ua-cam.com/video/_zV_wME8m4k/v-deo.html

  • @christopherjames9843
    @christopherjames9843 9 місяців тому

    Apples to oranges comparison. A true ITX case compared to a case designed for NAS functionality from the ground up. They have nothing in common,

  • @snowdog993
    @snowdog993 10 місяців тому

    You talk about all this, but why not just use an ATX case? You CAN design it, you know. You complain about not enough space, but then want to save space?
    So why not use a full size TOWER with 6 5.25" bays and put in two hot-swappable 4 drive bays with caddys?
    Put in enough fans to create a tornado in there.
    Heck, why not even have a full size "MoBO" with a MegaRAID controller?
    I had to edit this to get my point across. You want it, you MAKE it.
    You don't buy either of those cases, in any case.