popular opinion usually comes from elite smash tbh. i doubt mkleo has anything to do with it. mkleo hasnt affect krool and inkling and yet people thought those charaters were broken too..
What makes Leo such a good player, apart from the fact that he is mechanically gifted, is his awareness and his fundamentals. The way he adapts from camping with his gun, baiting options and, punishing to going full on agression when he takes a stock lead or sees a right opportunity is insane. This is why Joker is the perfect fit, and he is also a pretty stylish character wich allows Leo to flex and show how dominant he is.
@Quinn Dang Thats why I´d love to see Leffen use Joker. Imo Joker feels "kinda" similar to Melee fox in terms of speed and would fit his agressive style well.
People really want joker nerfed, like anybody can do what these top players are pulling off with them. Joker is a good character piloted by an extraordinary player who also happens to be extremely compatible with them. Begging to have him nerfed, as if just anybody can just pick him up and get results like leo is absurd.
@@russianbot819 No, MKLeo is the best player in smash. Joker is only seen as best because the best player in the game is highly compatible with them. There are any number of other jokers who exist, and despite having now had ample time to lab him, none of them are even remotely close to doing what leo does.
The detail of Jokers mask appearing and disappearing when he uses his persona on his sprite at the bottom is a really good detail I'm glad they added it
Damn MKleo is on another level lol he’s over here pulling out moves I haven’t even seen Joker use lol I’m all like yep I can also use the running big foot too lol great tips for us joker beginners
I'm just going to leave this here: Rebels Guard needs to be less reliable or do 25% knockback or something other than SiTtInG tHeRe AnD tAkInG tHe DaMaGe hEaD oN wItHoUt TaKiNg KnOcKbAcK
Joker isn’t overpowered it’s just the PilotImagine a plane with a terrible pilot that plane could be the best model of playing to ever exist but if the pilot is bad on the plane is just terrible as the pilot
I never lost in smash since 21 years...the most players currently just have this age...i am not going to tournaments because i have no time in my age for playing around games all the day but i would kill every player.. the only one that i would be feared of is Ally with Snake :)
@@metalmurcielago thats just a lie :) but it's ok to react like that for normal Humans. There mind can't accept until they see, especially if they have no special abilitys by themselves. Well if i would tell you the rest of my life and my current stage you would write that youre the president of the moon or something like that.. so there is no point in talking to you ;) but i give you a nice advice... what is one of the most powerful things that you can have today... ? To be unknown my child.. :)
Uhm are we going to forget that SGK plays kirby in tournament too damn D1 and I thought you were a commentator meh whatever also the best way to get joker nerfed is if more people get results with him in tournaments other than Leo and Zackray and TWEEK aren't enough you need every tournament top 8 or so on with at least 5 or more jokers and also online in elite smash or whatever you gotta get casuals to complain about joker otherwise your dream of joker being nerfed is just that a dream
Nah. He's fine, its just how fast Arsene comes out. If they can make Rebels guard more punishable by adding ..say, more start up lag before the counter sucks in damage + a breif stun , it'll force the player to rely on defense and offense more than spam down b because now they could potentially be knocked out of it and hard punished. I play joker, but people are making too big of a deal about him tbh.
Doesn’t need a big nerf, I just think that Arsene being a comeback mechanic AND a snowball mechanic is dumb. Reduce the time that Joker has Arsene out for (not like they did with the last patch) and I think he’ll be in a decent spot
He’s fine it’s just the pilot is overpowered MK Leo is the pilot just imagine we have the best plane But the pilot is bad terrible then the plane has the same capabilities as the pilot if the pilot is great then any bad character can be as good as the pilot
The following characters are boring/broken in the hands of Leo: Ike,Lucina,Wolf and Joker. This list will go on because he doesn't use characters below high tier to win games therefore people get upset LOL. However I do admit,they need to stop making low skilled characters.
Ike hasn’t been considered high tier for months. Leo had the only top Ike with Marss pocket picking it to cheese sometimes and ryuga being pretty good -word choice edited-
zev He’s like Rosalina from smash 4 and the ice climbers from brawl (even though they were broken). Top tier with Arsen/Luma/Nana and they drop down tiers without them. However Rosalina probably drops to low tier without luma but luma came back in 13 sec which is why they made solo joker is more viable without arsene. Popo is terrible without Nana lol. Joker alone is still a good character because of his mobility and his combos. He’s basically like a smash 4 sheik and I hate fighting good jokers.
No because that would be boring. You could argue that Banjo is more fundamental than the rest mechanic-wise though. All we can do is just adapt to the new charscters and figure out how to beat them. I like how the new gimmicks make the characters more exciting to watch.
@@ByoKora775 Thanks. Let's hope the next DLC character has some wacky personal gimmick that makes him entertaining to watch and play, both as and against.
I'm not bad at smash, in fact I'm so good, I'd probably land two hits on MkLeo.
I’m bad but I thing I can get 1 hit per game btw I am a joker main but not good but not the worst
DAMNNN
Looking cool
OH WOW
Ha Ha
wow, this mkleo dude seems like he has some potential, he might just have the skills to take some tourneys.
Yes he is of the best joker's in the world he's beat all the other joker mains it's crazy
Rimla Mahveen Razi r/woosh
@@rimlamahveen You're an idiot LMFAO
@@rimlamahveen dude stop shouting
@@johnfkennedy1478 r/woooosh has 4 o's pp head
Is actually kinda funny to see how people start considering Joker OP when a professional began to use him well, happens with every character.
popular opinion usually comes from elite smash tbh. i doubt mkleo has anything to do with it. mkleo hasnt affect krool and inkling and yet people thought those charaters were broken too..
@@johnnyboi331 Well, I exaggerated when I said "with every character"
From launch people said "lacking toolset" or something like that lmao
This video should be title, “A God destroying mortals”
What makes Leo such a good player, apart from the fact that he is mechanically gifted, is his awareness and his fundamentals. The way he adapts from camping with his gun, baiting options and, punishing to going full on agression when he takes a stock lead or sees a right opportunity is insane. This is why Joker is the perfect fit, and he is also a pretty stylish character wich allows Leo to flex and show how dominant he is.
“Lol carried” 🤦🏽♂️
Quinn Dang lol I’ve seen tweek use Joker too it’s so weird to seeing Leo’s just dominate 🤣
Not only that, he has nerves of steel, even if he is at disadvantage he doesnt lose control over himself
@Quinn Dang Thats why I´d love to see Leffen use Joker. Imo Joker feels "kinda" similar to Melee fox in terms of speed and would fit his agressive style well.
@@trime1015 leffen would still be trash with joker lmao
People really want joker nerfed, like anybody can do what these top players are pulling off with them. Joker is a good character piloted by an extraordinary player who also happens to be extremely compatible with them. Begging to have him nerfed, as if just anybody can just pick him up and get results like leo is absurd.
That's why you need to nerf MK Leo
vla1ne Jokers the best character in smash and the only character that needs a nerf
He’s literally top tier without arsen
@@russianbot819 please don't do this, I spent months moving my joker past my Ganon in strength
@@russianbot819 No, MKLeo is the best player in smash. Joker is only seen as best because the best player in the game is highly compatible with them. There are any number of other jokers who exist, and despite having now had ample time to lab him, none of them are even remotely close to doing what leo does.
I want people to get as good as MKleo more than everything
xD
The detail of Jokers mask appearing and disappearing when he uses his persona on his sprite at the bottom is a really good detail I'm glad they added it
He has such a fast reaction speed, it’s most likely the main reason he is so amazing!
that kirby was kinda bad tbh, but mkleo is still insane
When you’re going up against the best player in the world you’re gonna look the worst you’ve looked
Honestly cant really blame him for playing patiently against Leo's Joker. He tried lulw
Kirby can't do anything if he's camped out.
@@gooseytantei7351 i mean, if ur still playing kirby in ultimate ur kinda asking to lose...
As a kirby main that was just disappointing
Interesting that the start and end of Smash Ultimate's DLC revolves around hearts
Huh. Neat
THE BEST JOKER COMPETITIVE IN THE WORLD!!!
then yet again, its only Mk Leo
No they are a handful of joker players in competetive.
Xavier Duboudin oh no no, i know that. its just that i see mkleo in every matchup
Watching other pros play joker isn't the same as watching mkleo's joker. He's just too good.
Besides there are few professionals that use Joker... And maybe other players in general.
Leo is going against good characters but I've never heard of these players before
6:44 im not the best smash player or know that much about the technicals but shooting the missile then up B back up was crazy
Hiero wore that wolf cosplay just to get clowned on by Mkleo...who is the true joker here 😂
You...
I wish i can be as godlike as MkLeo
.... joker main? Yeah
EchoFox is like the Dream Team, they have so many of the best fighting game players
was
Alternate title: watch as mkleo bullies other players.
What about Sal from Impractical Jokers
Sal doesn't even main joker making him tonight's biggest looser
Damn MKleo is on another level lol he’s over here pulling out moves I haven’t even seen Joker use lol I’m all like yep I can also use the running big foot too lol great tips for us joker beginners
He should use more Eiha I feel like it could help his combos more
Not to dis leo but pools have a wide range of skill
Leo is amazing at this!
He's so good and stomps them so hard that it makes the opponent look trash at the game.
Joker is so dope and Leo is a monster
MKLEO knows you better than you know yourself. That's why he wins!! Master of Smash Psychology
The best Joker is.. MK, Leo !
Guys who is the best piranha plant and banjo players in the world?
For plant the best player is a Japanese player called Brood Banjo no idea I barely see him in tournament
@@ByoKora775 thnx
ua-cam.com/video/mWAYGJr7OPg/v-deo.html
some great Banjo gameplay
I feel bad because i know from where you profile came
I'm just going to leave this here:
Rebels Guard needs to be less reliable or do 25% knockback or something other than SiTtInG tHeRe AnD tAkInG tHe DaMaGe hEaD oN wItHoUt TaKiNg KnOcKbAcK
firedagger01 you aren’t punishing it right then. It’s easily punished lol
Joker isn’t overpowered it’s just the PilotImagine a plane with a terrible pilot that plane could be the best model of playing to ever exist but if the pilot is bad on the plane is just terrible as the pilot
Daisy after !
MKLEO IS FROM MEXICO 😡😡👌👌
If by nerfed you mean banned then yes he must
Is Mk a FA now or did another org pick him up?
MK is for a shop in Mexico his brother owns and I believe he's also an owner now.
airplane mode
Get rid of the joker part and just have it say best player
Is still the best Joker... but well, there are not many professionals that use Joker compared to other characters anyways
None of the characters should be nerfed!!!
new changller aj winn
ZeRo
I never lost in smash since 21 years...the most players currently just have this age...i am not going to tournaments because i have no time in my age for playing around games all the day but i would kill every player.. the only one that i would be feared of is Ally with Snake :)
Ok
Yea me too. I would so destroy everybody but I don’t have time or money. I went undefeated at a birthday party once.
I also can’t compete because of all the sex I have with girls. They want me to sex them so much I can’t find anytime to play in a tournament.
@@metalmurcielago thats just a lie :) but it's ok to react like that for normal Humans. There mind can't accept until they see, especially if they have no special abilitys by themselves. Well if i would tell you the rest of my life and my current stage you would write that youre the president of the moon or something like that.. so there is no point in talking to you ;) but i give you a nice advice... what is one of the most powerful things that you can have today... ? To be unknown my child.. :)
Ally’s banned rn
ethier help or join smash do both
バケモン
Uhm are we going to forget that SGK plays kirby in tournament too damn D1 and I thought you were a commentator meh whatever also the best way to get joker nerfed is if more people get results with him in tournaments other than Leo and Zackray and TWEEK aren't enough you need every tournament top 8 or so on with at least 5 or more jokers and also online in elite smash or whatever you gotta get casuals to complain about joker otherwise your dream of joker being nerfed is just that a dream
Joker needs a nerf like a good 5 patches for him
Nah. He's fine, its just how fast Arsene comes out. If they can make Rebels guard more punishable by adding ..say, more start up lag before the counter sucks in damage + a breif stun , it'll force the player to rely on defense and offense more than spam down b because now they could potentially be knocked out of it and hard punished.
I play joker, but people are making too big of a deal about him tbh.
@@for-worn If a professional uses well a character, they will almost always complain.
@@RaidikV basically.
Doesn’t need a big nerf, I just think that Arsene being a comeback mechanic AND a snowball mechanic is dumb. Reduce the time that Joker has Arsene out for (not like they did with the last patch) and I think he’ll be in a decent spot
He’s fine it’s just the pilot is overpowered MK Leo is the pilot just imagine we have the best plane But the pilot is bad terrible then the plane has the same capabilities as the pilot if the pilot is great then any bad character can be as good as the pilot
No, Joker/Arsene MUST be nerfed.
No, you just gotta learn how to adapt
@@yinha4704 yeah, by picking up joker instead of my main?
@@AIejandroide Nah, you can even learn to adapt with your main. Wild, right?
Mkleo loses... joker wasnt considered high/tier OP until mkleo started busting him out in tournaments
@@yigameiser exactly. plus leo was already skilled without joker and marth/lucina and ike definitely aren't "op" either
The following characters are boring/broken in the hands of Leo:
Ike,Lucina,Wolf and Joker.
This list will go on because he doesn't use characters below high tier to win games therefore people get upset LOL.
However I do admit,they need to stop making low skilled characters.
Joker wasnt considered high tier til mkleo began playing with him btw
Joker is only really high-tier because of Arsene, and Joker only looks broken in Leo's hands
Brandon Watson that’s true people are now only saying he’s the best character in the game because of leo but yea leo is a god
Ike hasn’t been considered high tier for months. Leo had the only top Ike with Marss pocket picking it to cheese sometimes and ryuga being pretty good -word choice edited-
zev He’s like Rosalina from smash 4 and the ice climbers from brawl (even though they were broken). Top tier with Arsen/Luma/Nana and they drop down tiers without them. However Rosalina probably drops to low tier without luma but luma came back in 13 sec which is why they made solo joker is more viable without arsene. Popo is terrible without Nana lol. Joker alone is still a good character because of his mobility and his combos. He’s basically like a smash 4 sheik and I hate fighting good jokers.
カービー初心者？w
普通にうまい人だけど、対カービィは攻めより待ちの方が強いしジョーカーは待ちが強いキャラだしmkleoも待ちがうまいっていう全部が重なってあんな感じになった
Bleck! Joker is gross I despise all characters with a stupid gimmick that makes them super strong! Can any dlc just be a normal character?
No because that would be boring. You could argue that Banjo is more fundamental than the rest mechanic-wise though. All we can do is just adapt to the new charscters and figure out how to beat them. I like how the new gimmicks make the characters more exciting to watch.
@@ninjaniknik6136 👍 you have my respect
@@ByoKora775 Thanks. Let's hope the next DLC character has some wacky personal gimmick that makes him entertaining to watch and play, both as and against.
well no one’s gonna pay actual money if they were normal characters
Why would you want a normal dlc with no gimmicks? That'd be so boring and not worth buying