LED Dot Matrix Scrolling Sign Repair

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  • @tomharris1457
    @tomharris1457 11 місяців тому +4

    I've added you to my list: History Guy, Techmoan,Mr. Carlson's Lab, Technology Connection. Keep it up!

  • @rickoneill4343
    @rickoneill4343 12 днів тому +1

    A great tip I've learned to identify things is the Google Lens app. Anything you take a picture of it will scan and try to find a match for online. Great for odd shaped components, stickers, etc. . Just used it the other day to find an exact latch clip for a overhead light.

    • @BuyitFixit
      @BuyitFixit  12 днів тому

      Yes I've used it a few times, it doesn't always get it right but it's still pretty good 👍

  • @sp523
    @sp523 Рік тому +6

    Mick,
    Another great repair. Your voice is very calm and soothing and your videos are very relaxing to watch. Keep up the great work!
    Steve

    • @BuyitFixit
      @BuyitFixit  Рік тому +1

      Thanks Steve! When I first started doing videos I wasn't sure how my voice and accent would come across. Probably more of a self confidence thing, but thanks for your comments and letting me know 🙂👍

    • @sp523
      @sp523 Рік тому +3

      Mick,
      I’m from the US and your accent is very easy for me to understand. Some of our “American” English accents are much harder to understand than the way that you speak. I’m sure that you might find it similar to the regional accents that some people have in the UK.
      I’m glad your channel is growing. You do put out a variety of different types of repairs and I enjoy that part of your work too!

    • @BuyitFixit
      @BuyitFixit  Рік тому +2

      Thanks SP, I only just noticed your reply. Yes I do try and do a wide variety of things as I think repairing the same thing like a Nintendo switch over and over again gets a little bit boring after a while. It does make it a little harder to think of and acquire new items to repair though...

    • @OH8EFI
      @OH8EFI Рік тому +2

      Agreed. These are soothing to watch!

  • @ralphj4012
    @ralphj4012 Рік тому +7

    Well done. If the micro / TTL is actually running at 3V (you mentioned a 3V regulator) you could use a Lantronix xPico WiFi module (WiFi in, 3V TTL out), though you may need more oomph on the 3V power supply.

    • @BuyitFixit
      @BuyitFixit  Рік тому +7

      Thanks Ralph👍. I had been thinking of one of the esp8266 boards as they can be powered by 5v and are 3.3v logic on the output. I could then get it to connect to wifi, scrape data and display it. I might actually do this as another video as a couple of people mentioned about doing a follow up one.

  • @thetraindriver01
    @thetraindriver01 7 місяців тому +2

    Awesome fix, love the message at the end 😂👍😊

    • @BuyitFixit
      @BuyitFixit  7 місяців тому

      Thanks 👍😂😂😂😂😂

  • @matt.604
    @matt.604 4 місяці тому +1

    I had a Keurig coffee machine doing the same beeping thing and it was bulging capacitors causing it to constantly restart.
    So as soon as I heard your sign beeping I knew caps are the first things to check. The faulty connector was a surprise.

    • @BuyitFixit
      @BuyitFixit  4 місяці тому

      Thanks 👍yes I think it was not crimped properly and had heated up causing a bad connection and not enough current to flow.

  • @larrybud
    @larrybud 5 місяців тому +1

    So one tip if you're ever working on something with an annoying beeper like this: Put a piece of tape over the hole in the transducer. It mutes it up nicely.
    Also, I don't know what I find more impressive: Your repair skills, or your ebay finding skills!

    • @BuyitFixit
      @BuyitFixit  5 місяців тому +1

      Cheers for that LarryBud 👍

    • @BM-jy6cb
      @BM-jy6cb 4 місяці тому +1

      I find a blob of blutak works wonders - even on fully working stuff!

  • @qwerty-cg7hv
    @qwerty-cg7hv 12 днів тому +1

    @BuyitFixit This looks exceedingly like a unit that I picked up at an auction years ago. The software CD that came with it is "SignData Moving-Sign version 3.9 June 2008" Model No SIGNDATA-DS780RG2 The software includes loads of odd graphics images so mine sits in the front window of the house wishing people a "Happy Christmas" With Santa and his sleigh scrolling across!!! I no longer have a PC with a CD drive or suitable connection, so for now I'm stuck with using it just for Christmas. The beeps and dying squeel are very familiar :-) At least if it ever fails I have a good idea where to look to fix it, some preventative maintenance may well be in order before it does. PS there are 51 buttons on the remote!! :-)

    • @BuyitFixit
      @BuyitFixit  11 днів тому

      Thanks for the info 👍🙂

  • @Exciteonium
    @Exciteonium 5 місяців тому +1

    A very nice segment repair :-)

  • @mrjsv4935
    @mrjsv4935 Рік тому +4

    Nice fix, interesting device :)
    I've got a mini version, about the size of name tag which could be put on a shirt. Only one colour though (red), but messages can be written into it using it's own buttons, speed can be adjusted etc.

    • @BuyitFixit
      @BuyitFixit  Рік тому +1

      Thanks Mr JSV. This sign too you can adjust the speeds etc. I've just been messing with it. It was around 2am last night when I managed to get a message on it, so I didn't really have a lot of time to experiment until now!

  • @fredwooding599
    @fredwooding599 7 місяців тому +1

    I still say You are amazing.!!! 4 or 5 caps and a pwr shunt and all is well. 🙂

  • @SlartiMarvinbartfast
    @SlartiMarvinbartfast Рік тому +6

    Another nice and informative repair. that's something else saved from going in the trash and ending up as landfill. You deserve far more subs!
    Out of interest, does anyone know what happens to electronics goods in the UK that somehow end up at the local council's recycling hub? Are they ever offered up for repair or do they too just end up as landfill? I wish it was possible to buy faulty old electronics and mechanical devices from the recycling centres!

    • @BuyitFixit
      @BuyitFixit  Рік тому

      Thanks M Jons👍From my experience council recycling centres aren't supposed to sell electrical items to the public for health and safety reasons in case someone gets electrocuted with a faulty appliance. In reality it depends if you can get in with the lads or manager and they'll sometimes let you buy stuff from them unofficially...

    • @ralphj4012
      @ralphj4012 Рік тому +2

      At our so called recycling centre (UK) electronics (TV's, radios, IT stuff) used to be placed in a separate area and I have seen various recycling vans collect it. Now everything gets thrown into a skip (from a great height). Asked about possibly picking up items before and was met with a very blank stare.

  • @firestormv01
    @firestormv01 5 місяців тому +1

    I have a Pro-Lite LED marquee that's very similar to yours. The serial port is going to be a 3.3v or a 5v level and there is a defined protocol, where control codes are used along with text to format messaging. On your model, once you get the serial UART figured out, look at the bottom of page 6 and the top of page 7 for the communication examples. In your mind, substitute "file" for "page", the message coding is paginated by what looks like 8192 bytes. To program this thing without the remote, the only recourse is serial, but with such a poor protocol document, you're going to end up having to bitbang it (or just get really drunk and try and program it, that might work too). The control codes are going to be outside of normal ASCII values (32-126) with maybe some others in the extended table being supported or pointing to specialized characters that was preprogrammed in the firmware. The programming examples already provide a simple (badly written) framework, it's just a matter of messing with what's provided to figure out the protocol better.

    • @BuyitFixit
      @BuyitFixit  5 місяців тому

      I did find some code that someone wrote for a similar display (can't remember if I put the link in the video description) as you could easily use something like an esp32 and send commands over wifi or code it to be a UA-cam / Twitter / weather or such display.

  • @tonythornton1383
    @tonythornton1383 Рік тому +5

    Great fix, once again. I configure a couple of LED signs at work and find the software I use very clunky. I’ll give Kitchi a try and see if it’s any better. Thanks.

    • @BuyitFixit
      @BuyitFixit  Рік тому +1

      Thanks Tony👍. I've just been messing with it and sending some bytes via some C# code I wrote just to get my head around what bytes do what.

  • @dash8brj
    @dash8brj Рік тому +1

    My speakers really loved the beeping sound it was making - was really loud like I was in the workshop next to you! Great fix. I like the ESP module idea.

    • @BuyitFixit
      @BuyitFixit  Рік тому

      LOL, I do process the audio to try and normalise the sound levels, and even adjust some things manually, guess the beeps were too short to be picked up. Thanks for the nice comment and I might do a follow up video at some point with the ESP 👍

  • @OH8EFI
    @OH8EFI Рік тому +1

    The beeper got well excited when you unplugged the display. Sounded hilarious

    • @BuyitFixit
      @BuyitFixit  Рік тому

      Yes 😂😂😂

    • @robin9342
      @robin9342 6 місяців тому +3

      ORAC, for anyone who gets the reference :)

  • @chrisbartlett6022
    @chrisbartlett6022 Рік тому +2

    Great fun. Remember replacing one of those batteries but not noticing it had a plastic "safety" film on it. DOPE 🙂
    Good place for the sign is Vehicle rear window 🙂

    • @BuyitFixit
      @BuyitFixit  Рік тому

      Thanks Chris.Yes this one had one too, I removed it before fitting. I think it's supposed to be there to stop small children from eating them and has a disgusting bitter taste.

  • @wisher21uk
    @wisher21uk Рік тому +2

    STB commonly means standby well on tvs that’s the case
    Well done great fix, I just love leds too 😊

  • @can1973ier
    @can1973ier Рік тому +2

    These LED dot matrixes really does the job. I liked &subscribed.

  • @darrenwardell3079
    @darrenwardell3079 11 місяців тому +1

    Brilliant video 👍 i thought it might have been the cap you missed where the two matrix boards are connected but shows what do i know 😂😂

  • @ibrahimkocaalioglu
    @ibrahimkocaalioglu 15 днів тому

    well done as usual 👍

  • @ovalwingnut
    @ovalwingnut 5 місяців тому +1

    Evan @ a penny per LED it's a steal. There is literally 1,000,000, yes? :O) That is one of the nicer ones I've seen - Very COoL. It's a shame that 'CAPS' have ended up being the bane of our existence. Hindsight is 20/20 of course. Cheers from So.CA.USA 3rd House On the Left.

  • @vk3hau
    @vk3hau Рік тому +1

    Looks very similar to the BetaBrite units I installed into two local hospitals, they use rs485 from the nurse call system, they are called annunciators, and they display the room numbers when the call button is press, different colour text for the importance of the call, RED for emergency, Orange for assistant, green for clear down call ( cancel call ). They are on a Daisy chain , with the end unit having a termination resistor ( i think it was 120 Ohms ) , about 20 unit installed at each hospital, installed about 15 years ago and still in use.

    • @BuyitFixit
      @BuyitFixit  Рік тому +1

      Yes I came across those when I was trying different protocols to get the sign to display anything.

  • @MrEwool
    @MrEwool Рік тому +6

    Interesting video hope you do a follow up on it, yeah LED signs have so many uses I remember being a kid I always wanted a neon sign but LED is the next best thing. A thing I have been wondering, back in the 90' when working on electrictronics we had to be grounded because of static electricity but you do see that anymore, did they just get better at building things?

    • @BuyitFixit
      @BuyitFixit  Рік тому +2

      Thanks Morten, I'm not sure on the static. I think you're supposed to still. I've just never bothered and I don't think I've killed anything yet with static, although I must confess I have managed to kill a few devices over the years 😂😂😂

    • @MrEwool
      @MrEwool Рік тому +1

      @@BuyitFixit yeah I would imagine the a few devices had to give up along the way, but that's the cost of learning and sometimes the just die with no cause

  • @Mymatevince
    @Mymatevince Рік тому +1

    Really good Mick 👍

  • @snipersquad100
    @snipersquad100 8 місяців тому +1

    I tried making one of these a few years back, but It didn't work. I think I'll give it another go.

    • @BuyitFixit
      @BuyitFixit  8 місяців тому +1

      I recently won 3 electronic touch screen tills for a total of 99p for the 3 + postage. Each has a 2 line dot matrix VFD so I might do something with those on a future video.

  • @alfredocuomo1546
    @alfredocuomo1546 11 місяців тому +1

    They use rs232 serial interface because you can use it up to 300 feet so many of those signs would be attached to a computer to update them but the units have ram memory that stored the messages & that's what the keep alive 2023 battery was for. Many newer ones had Ethernet interfaces & would use Power over ethernet to run & update the signs. Nice fix, good video and it proves the old adage if anything has an electrolytic capacitor it's bad along with that wonderful smell they have when they get old. LMFIAO

  • @jaimecosta2966
    @jaimecosta2966 2 місяці тому +1

    Excelente

  • @wherami
    @wherami Рік тому +1

    Love the hacking at the end

  • @wherami
    @wherami Рік тому +1

    Very clever solder instead of desolder of those caps which can be awful.

    • @BuyitFixit
      @BuyitFixit  Рік тому +1

      Also the leads were too short..🙂

  • @watsonpunk
    @watsonpunk Рік тому +2

    Looks like a BetaBrite LED Sign "clone". Great repair, looking forward to a follow up if you mod it for internet of things.

  • @specialservicesequipment393

    I've got a couple of the USB to RS232 converters, USB to RS422, and one RS-485 from when I worked on JRC radios and equipment.

    • @BuyitFixit
      @BuyitFixit  Рік тому

      I've got a coue of the rs232 to usb converters too, and a rs485 adapter (used it on the solar inverter video where I had to reverse engineer their software as the company were most unhelpful) 😂😂😂 I don't have the RS422 though, don't think I've came across a device that uses one.

    • @specialservicesequipment393
      @specialservicesequipment393 Рік тому

      @BuyitFixit rs422 and rs485 were fairly interchangeable. They used rs422 on ships to send data from the GPS to the radar and the ecdis (electronic charting) or data from the AIS (ship indentifier/interrogator) to the radar and ecdis. Of course all that data was routed to the VDR (voyage data recorder). Allot of industrial PLC units use RS422 or RS485

  • @ISquishWorms
    @ISquishWorms 10 місяців тому +1

    Could have it as a subscriber counter,fix counter and a lamb counter. 🙂

    • @BuyitFixit
      @BuyitFixit  10 місяців тому +1

      😂😂😂@ Lamb counter. I've already got a subscriber counter but I had thought if it. It would be fairly easy to do with something like an esp8266 or esp32 and just pass serial data to the sign 👍

  • @craigmiles6145
    @craigmiles6145 Рік тому +1

    Did you notice the capacitor at the very end of the board?. You may have missed replacing that one. Great videos by the way.

    • @BuyitFixit
      @BuyitFixit  Рік тому

      Thanks Craig. I'm pretty sure I changed all of the bulged capacitors on it. Perhaps that one was ok.

  • @VSteam81
    @VSteam81 Місяць тому +1

    Ahh man that bebber losing power just sounds weird at 18:43

  • @NicksStuff
    @NicksStuff 5 місяців тому +2

    I have no idea how you came to the conclusion it was the connector 🤯

    • @BuyitFixit
      @BuyitFixit  5 місяців тому +1

      It looked like it had been overheating at the rear where the centre pin was rivited against the part that solders into the board. I guess it was not making a proper connection and not allowing enough current to flow when more LEDs were lit.

  • @599miata
    @599miata 7 місяців тому +1

    That was agreat video. Well done mate.👍👍

    • @BuyitFixit
      @BuyitFixit  7 місяців тому

      Thanks 👍Glad you enjoyed it 😊

  • @Tuoto-i8c
    @Tuoto-i8c Рік тому +3

    Hiiiiiii broooooooo😅😅😅

  • @coondogtheman
    @coondogtheman Рік тому +1

    I have a mini nametag version of these that you can program in your message. It is a nametag so it originally ran on a CR2032 cell but over the years it started eating batteries so I hotwired it to run on 3 AAA cells and it will run continuously for maybe 4 days non stop on a set of batteries.

    • @BuyitFixit
      @BuyitFixit  Рік тому

      Nice 👍. I saw some of those on Aliexpress when I was trying to find out who manufactured this one so I could find the software for it.

  • @Sebastian953
    @Sebastian953 Рік тому +1

    Looks like there was a usb version of this. U2 could be the ft232rl (28-pin ssop as on your ttl board) and instead of the rs232 connector there is a footprint for a usb-b connector.

    • @BuyitFixit
      @BuyitFixit  Рік тому

      Good spot! Thanks for letting me know 👍

  • @NiddNetworks
    @NiddNetworks Рік тому +1

    I have a larger one of these I bought for another project - it's 160x28.... it has an external power supply - 5VDC at 40A - FORTY AMPS. The LEDs are tri-colour, but not RGB - they're RGY, which seems to be common on these signs. RGB would obviously be more useful....!

    • @BuyitFixit
      @BuyitFixit  Рік тому

      Nice👍40A those leds can be a bit power hungry😂😂. I built an RGB xmas light show a good few years ago which was all ws2811 pixels, and syncronised to music that took a few power supplies at 5v! There's a few videos of it on my channel if you scroll back far enough...

  • @mc_cpu
    @mc_cpu Рік тому +1

    I subscribed!

    • @BuyitFixit
      @BuyitFixit  Рік тому

      Thank You! I hope you enjoy the rest of my content!

  • @miftosaurus
    @miftosaurus Рік тому +1

    two times lucky! :D
    first, it was just a power supply issue, second you was able to find something at least usable to program the message to eprom...
    bad thing was to get that 8052 clone and/or cpld broken... no chance to recover the software.
    i think you can connect directly the usb/rs232 at his original socket, not really need to jump directly to 8052 pins. also, you can use it directly with an ESP8266, something like that... wifi and stuff.
    more interesting is to identify the matrix modules... if these are some known chips, like max7219, you can use these modules with any microcontroller with a decent library for them: any Arduinos, STM32, MCP, Raspberry something, etc...
    cpld's are expensive, their programming software, too, and their programmers, same, but they are powerful and versatile... too bad their cost make it not a choice for hobbysts! :(

    • @BuyitFixit
      @BuyitFixit  Рік тому

      I've not had anything to do with CLPDs or FGPAs,.although I've used microcontrollers a bit, even before the Arduino came out. I remember using pic16f84s and writing stuff in asm 😂😂😂

  • @alexxustube
    @alexxustube 9 місяців тому +1

    ESP8266 is quite old. Just take an ESP32 instead 😊

    • @BuyitFixit
      @BuyitFixit  9 місяців тому

      I think I've got both kicking around. I bought quite a few 8266's a while back when I built an addressable LED Christmas light show all sequenced to music. (Took me about 6 months to build it all and program / sequence it). There are some old videos of it on here, before I started doing repair videos.

  • @djkamilo66
    @djkamilo66 Рік тому +1

    just change the caps on the powe supply

  • @zehra150
    @zehra150 3 місяці тому +1

    Sir i have a led display board he is not working properly 16 x 192 pixel size single board he is working in double diaplay

    • @BuyitFixit
      @BuyitFixit  3 місяці тому

      It sounds like one of the driver chips has a fault and one of the pins is latched on continuously.

  • @whitenorthstar
    @whitenorthstar 11 місяців тому +1

    great video thanks...could you please do a followup on this item...mods etc. anyone got the original remote control/software for this item? I bought the remote control from a seller on ebay brand new and it didnt work with my sign although the sign seems to be working perfectly...demo mode etc.

    • @BuyitFixit
      @BuyitFixit  11 місяців тому

      I did find a RAR file of what was supposed to be the original software, unfortunately password protected. The software I used should allow you to program the sign. I did also find a github page were someone had wrote some code along with the communication protocol.

  • @hipihei
    @hipihei 8 місяців тому +1

    These types of scrolling led signs often create a s#!tload of emi..I think rather high dv/dt signals of led multiplexing and minimal effort with pcb layout design considering led return currents is in the core of the issue.. I've had loads of problems of them interfering bus radios while the windshield signs are on..usually bunch of differential- and common-mode filters required..😅 ..so personally..one of my nightmare products..

  • @KJ6EAD
    @KJ6EAD Рік тому +1

    Finish the job. Replace the bad power connector and find an IR remote control for it.

    • @BuyitFixit
      @BuyitFixit  Рік тому

      I did have a look for a remote, but I'm not sure what the correct one is. I did think of adding an esp32 and making it into a UA-cam counter or something...

  • @eugenecussen3735
    @eugenecussen3735 6 місяців тому +1

    Make it scroll your utube comments ?

    • @BuyitFixit
      @BuyitFixit  6 місяців тому

      Yes, that's a great idea. I bought 3 faulty POS systems which have touch screens and VFDs so I might do a project or something with those in a future video 😊

  • @jstro-hobbytech
    @jstro-hobbytech Рік тому +1

    This might be a stupid question. Repair is a hobby second to learning the textbook side of circuits. Can I replace smd electrolytic caps with same value brand name caps? It's for a vintage audio device I've had to do alot of trace work to. I paid 40 for it and it's worth 1k. Roland famously dis a whole production run of that years model with a bad batch of Sanyo caps. They haven't leaked except the power stage but the stink of the smd caps. Smells like cod fish oil haha

    • @BuyitFixit
      @BuyitFixit  Рік тому

      I can't see any reason why not as long as the values are the same.

  • @neiltheplayer
    @neiltheplayer Місяць тому

    Of course I enjoyed it lolol

  • @gkruntz
    @gkruntz 11 місяців тому +1

    I'm jelous. :)

  • @stevefox3763
    @stevefox3763 Рік тому +1

    Have it in the back screen of your car like the old bill but to abuse other motorists when they do something that pisses you off ha ha

    • @BuyitFixit
      @BuyitFixit  Рік тому

      Lol 👍I came across some code, written in VB.net I think, and they guy was using it for the very same thing. It had messages like 'Sorry' and 'your left headlight is busted' etc in the code.

    • @stevefox3763
      @stevefox3763 Рік тому +1

      @@BuyitFixit Sorry would not be in the list of words if i had it in my window pmsl...

    • @BuyitFixit
      @BuyitFixit  Рік тому

      😂😂😂😂

  • @54tony379
    @54tony379 11 місяців тому

    you cut off the leads and solder the new

  • @mal6232
    @mal6232 11 місяців тому

    Better not to handle the mercury cells directly, the oils in your skin will form a high resistance path between the poles of the battery allowing it to self discharge. With them being used in extremely low current applications the self discharge forms a significant drain, shortening the battery's life.