Enshrine or Decline: Alex Rodriguez's case for the Hall of Fame | Outside the Lines
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- Опубліковано 19 січ 2022
- Outside the Lines looks at Alex Rodriguez's legacy and his case for the Baseball Hall of Fame.
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Alex Rodriguez is one of the greatest hitters of all time steroids or not!
Bottom line, anyone that votes Bonds or Clemens but doesn't vote for A-Rod is a hypocrite
Big Papi got in .
He juiced.
It's a popularity contest already.
@@747heavyboeing3 Ortiz took a supplement that contained a banned ingredient on accident
You make it seem like he shot up his glutes, which he did not
Not necessarily. You must keep in mind that Alex Rodriguez, was a bigger doouchbag then Bonds and Clemens.
@@hugosegura6287 Disagree. Nobody was a bigger douchebag than Bonds. Arguably the most hated player of the early 2000's.
@@DCampusano1 , Bonds might have been a bigger AHole, but Rodriguez, is still number #1, Dooshbag!!!
What case? He’s a top 10 player. EVER.
I always liked A-Rod, he was one of the best shortstops of all time. When he played on those Mariners teams you could tell he was something really special. True five tool player who was one of the top three hitters in the game for nearly a decade, and arguably top 10 historically. Extremely talented, extremely. He obviously deserves it, but I don't think there is a chance unfortunately especially when he has negatives Clemens and Bonds don't. He admitted to steroid use, 162 ban for his role in the Biogenesis scandal, he got busted after testing was put in place and was caught lying about it each time. The fact remains is that he used PEDs. At this point, the writers have not let anybody in his situation into the Hall, so that makes him quite a long shot. I do wish he would have come clean, and not lied. It is a shame how it all played out.
Big Papi just got in.
He used.
Pudge, and Bagwell are in and they used this argument doesn’t make since lmao
@@hoodiejelo6456 Schilling isn't in though, and neither are Bonds or Clemens, so it's you not making sense.
@@jamiealexander7065 you missed the whole point and I meant Bagwell not Schilling.
@@hoodiejelo6456 that's because you edited your comment, and those guys were never "officially caught" like Bonds and Clemens. The voters are wrong either way, all of them should be celebrated.
One of the 🐐 regardless of the drama
A rod deserves to be in the hall of fame. He already face the penalty of missing 162 games . He’s the only SS/3rd baseman to have almost 700 home runs over 3000 hits.
Yeah but I say no because they will give it to anyone else who juice
He missed that whole year he would have over 700 hrs 730 more then Ruth
In my opinion, disregard the years where players tested positive or claimed they used PED. Don’t just throw 15 years away for 2-3 years.
Is there concrete evidence that he started using only for those 2-3 yrs?
@@danieldominguez5863 it's known bonds used steriods from 99-04. Is he not a hof before and after?
@@danieldominguez5863 Hes a hall of Famer like Rose but it's a popularity contest now.
No Clemens either.
If Bonds can’t get in why would A-Rod? I think both deserve it but too many of the voters are biased against them
Controversial opinion but Barry Bonds is the greatest baseball player ever
Big papi too then...
@@johnpaulkerrigan7975 big papi wasn’t close to as good as bonds and a rod. He’ll still be a hall of famer eventually though
@@jackcorbett4704 as a pittsburgh native, i would agree if he never juiced. he was a perennial 30/30, gold glove-caliber player with pirates before the juice. not denying he was a great player, just the juice both screwed up his overall game and his legit standing. griffey jr. to me is the greatest even with the injury, and if he never gets injured it wouldn't even be a debate in my opinion.
@@OB-xf3jz yea. Fair enough. My opinion on it though is that it seems most people vastly overate what steroids do. For example I’ve seen people who beleive it like instantely just makes you bigger stronger and that it ruins your body. Which is just not true. All it really does is help heal your muscle tissue faster. And it has a few side effects. But he worked just as much as he would have had to before, but he was just able to do it in a way shorter time because he was never sore. Also sorry my grammar sucks
What baseball player doesn't know of Babe Ruth? Saying that ARod knows all about Ruth and Mantle doesn't really illustrate what a student of the game he is. Babe Ruth is one of the most famous people ever to live.
He had absolutely nothing good to say about him lol. That's the problem
😂😂 Fr I know what he meant cause Arod is clearly more knowledgeable than most in baseball and it’s history but to say he knows babe Ruth and Mantle was retarded lmao
A-Rod was one of my favorite players. I was so sad when it came out that he used PEDs. I didn’t want to believe it.
Same no lie
This has to be figured out but it’s tough. The process is too inconsistent. Why does Ivan Rodriguez get in? There were stories about him and he was mentioned in Canseco’s book. If Palmeiro had been smart enough to stop using he would’ve been inducted without any suspicion. How do you determine how much PEDs contributed to a player’s success? Either we should just induct everyone or we should hold all players to the same standards.
I guess one player snitching on another isn't enough proof for the voters. Arod, Bonds and Clemons have had federal cases built against them.
@@TheOldSchoolGamer93 And what's sad is Clemens would be like the Tom Brady of baseball except for his bone-headed decision to do PED's.
Rodriguez and Piazza unfortunately got in because it wasn’t revealed that they cheated until after they got into the hall.
@@soarinskies1105 I thought IRod got in well after Canseco’s book came out?
@@tigerwoods232000 correct he stopped playing in 2010
Baseball’s HOF is a joke. (IMO) these writers who chose the righteous pen of morality are telling an entire generation of baseball fans and current players that their beloved hero’s of the late 90s - mid 2010s should be erased from the history of the game. When at the time, or at least the first half of those 15yrs, what they were doing was not illegal. Peace and love
Good think no one cares about your opinion.
@@robertmcnearny9222 he's right they saved baseball after the strike and are being shunned for it while Bud Selig is enshrined for no reason at all. Let them all in and pete rose.
Him and Bonds are two of the GOATs. They both should be in.
don't forget my Brett Butler LADodger ok kid "Jay"
In my opinion if your keeping the steroid era players who had great careers out of the hall of fame, then should erase all the top career leaders Pryor to 1947 because of major leagues didn't allow Black's to play in baseball,
Let me guess, you're from NYC or Boston or San Francisco or possibly Cincinnati. The rest of the country calls these guys by their real names: cheating assholes.
@@Anthony-hu3rj Wow. You're a presumption person.
Here's the deal: every era has its asterisk. The Selig Era, The Pre-1947 Whites Only Era, The Three Expansion Eras, The WWI and WWII Eras, The Slow to Integrate Era, The Deadball Era, The Spitball Era, The Amphetamine Era, The 1960s Pitching Era, etc.
Era Bias is massively hypocritical. They belong.
There were more ballplayers that did steroids at that time that still sucked ,especially pitchers,
@@Anthony-hu3rj and the guys that played prior to 1947 RACIST FUCKS
Honestly that is the stupidest argument I have ever heard of. No black people in the game does not change accomplishments of those that did play in relation to their peers.
Enshrine, anyone saying no is a pure hater, people hate on this dude because they've envied him. Bunch of jealous pieces of you know what. Anyone can juice, but can you be as good as this guy or Bonds or Clemens? No, no it wouldn't help.
Stop hating you babies. He paid his dues he was suspended, he served his time.
Dude was certified douche bag was a complete no show in the post season and his antics brought nothing but negativity to baseball that's why I don't like him. But I say let all the steroid baby's in HOF. But none of these cheaters will ever be able to tie Griffeys cleats.
First of all: it says he had a positive test in 2003 even that it wasn’t illegal at that time.
Ortiz had one positive test as well on 2003
Bonds and Clemens never got any positive test or suspension. So if bonds or Clemens don’t get in why Ortiz could enter and he did have q positive test in 2003? And Arod of course should never enter
Alex Rodriguez should be in the Hall, top five player ever.
ARod is 100% a hall of famer , just like Barry , roger , and Pete rose . He will always carry that stigma , just like the rest . Just cause he is in the HOF doesn’t erase that .
He dated J.Lo!!!!
He’s already in…. 💯✊🏽
Jlo is like a punching bag,
anyone can hit it
I’m a Yankee fan but if Bonds can’t get in then neither should A-Rod.
Well thats silly, they hold no relation to each other with far different transcendent careers. It's so silly it is littered with holes like why is Ortiz in hall, or piazza, or ivan? Why hasnt pettitte who was better than piazza and Ortiz received the call? The question is Bonds a hall of famer, and is ARod a hall of famer, reach your answer logically instead of irrationally.
I love my Yankees and I think at this point it’s fair to say that A-Rod won’t get in this year but he’ll get in eventually
He should NOT get in based on cheating -- one play alone -- knocking the ball out of the glove of the first basement in a playoff game. Unless you like cheaters, of course.
Its not going to happen. If they won't let in Clemens or Bonds, A-rod certainly doesn't have a chance.
@@Anthony-hu3rj in that case same with David Ortiz
A-Roid unabashed liar!
@@DMalltheway Great point Daniel. How come no one has a problem with David Ortiz getting in? Because he's likable Big Papi? He was a juicer for at least part of his career, so if that is a disqualifier then how come no one has issue he is in. Bonds was a way better player than Ortiz, by light years.
The baseball HOF is a mockery without Barry Bonds in it.
Not a huge Arod guy but he is one of the 5 best players to ever put on a uniform.keep him out of the hall if you want but you can’t deny hid greatness a la Barry Bonds.
Alex will be in the Hall of Fame ❤️
I cannot comment on what PEDs do for athletes, but Alex has mentioned he certainly felt more energy on them
I can't shoot up and hit 700 ft homers no drug on Earth will make you hit even a 200 ft ball
Shoeless Joe Jackson, Barry bonds, Mark McGwire, sammy sosa, Roger Clemens and Arod and Pete rose are all hall of Famers but the voters or writers have the last say.
He wasn't supposed to go to NY, he would have been an amazing SS for Boston for the rest of his career
Alex Rodriguez can never and will never get into the Hall of Fame if he does then they have to allow McGuire, Sosa, Bonds and Clemons in. Rodriuez was no doubt a great player, but he was suspended twice for PED, he admitted using it and he just won't get in ever
How many times were players suspended for racism prior to 1947? 🤔🤔
The best guy in the baseball, than the news reconize him, best seller, is nature,
So Jeter’s a near-unanimous choice, but the far superior A-Rod doesn’t get in?
So... I take it you're willing to overlook 2 PED suspensions.
JETER WAS NEVER LINKED TO STEROIDS HE’S THE MODEL OF CONSISTENCY AND DESERVED TO BE UNANIMOUS CHOICE
@@Nunnayadambiness it was 1 ped suspension
@@joel8692 fair enough...
Arod never failed a test, he was suspended by an independent investigatory arm thought it was right to gollow on leads regarding Braun's failed test, at worst it was unconstitutional and at best targeting AROD, and he shouldve probably been protected by his union. I am a Yankee fan, Jeter is my favorite player, but if were talking baseball, A Rod was sooooo much better clearly. You cant write yankee history without Jeter and you cant write that dynasty without him, BUT you cant write about 90s and 00s baseball without Arod. What is the purpose of the hall of fame if the people who defined the era arent in? Manny Bonds A Rod Sosa and McGwire were clear first ballot players on the eye test, who had everyones dreams and fears whenever were in the box. I love Jeter but he was never that, the totality of his career makes Jeter first ballot, when he was breaking his bones, people questioned if he even deserved to be in ARod's class or Nomar and later Tejada. Clearly a lot of that thinking was wrong but thats what people thought who were involved in that era, were simply not letting the best players in.
My 🐐
He's getting in
HOF.... Including Sosa, Clemens, Bonds, and Sheffield
DECLINE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Once bonds gets in, then others will follow.
If he gets in then Bonds should be!
A-Rod a HoF in my book 💯
My beef with A-rod is that he didn't really deliver in the post-season for the Yankees. You might argue when they picked him up in '04 (?) that it had a freezing effect on the team. I'm not sure what roids he did but I think they were relatively pedestrian (Testosterone as opposed to Nandrolone (?)). I think people would have gone easier on his steroid use if he wasn't A-Rod and...you know...obnoxious.
He was on fire in the 2009 playoffs, and came up w several clutch hits. Like World Series Game 4's 2 run game breaking double off brad lidge in the 9th inning.
@@dfcintron every yankees player recognizes this but what about the yrs before 09
He did however play a pivotal role in the 09’ championship season. Post season and all.
Arod was a beast before the peds. Hes the only player i seen casually swing the bat and everytime i thought it was a regular line drive it was a home run.
The problem is that many of his old high school teammates and coaches claim he was using them before he got drafted, and even some of his old Mariner teammates believed he used as well before the testing.
@@ezioaltairac yeah but when your 6'3 200 plus pounds plus as a 17 year old 18 year old and with a. Pure natural swing at that age? It hink your going to be hitting the ball very far with that frame and swing naturally.
Sure I geuss
This debate had gone on a long time, not just about A-Rod but also about others who were caught using PED’s…
I always ask, “Who was the commissioner during this time period?”…..Bud Selig. “Is Bud Selig in the HOF”……Yes. “Why?”
If all of this was happening and discovered on his watch, then he has NO business being in the HOF, but he is.
Therefore if Bud Selig is in the HOF then all of these other guys who have the stats and the numbers should be there too, even if they took PED’s. But you create a new wing in the HOF that only houses these guys and you tell their stories, so the next generation of players can learn from that history. Don’t hide it.
Oh and on another note, Pete Rose, who played the game clean needs to go in the HOF, like yesterday. Smh.
🐐
If Bonds a No then Alex too because he cheated regardless of his apologies regardless of his ownership regardless of working for ESPN showing contrition doesn't apply had he not been caught
The undisputed finest complete shortstop in baseball history, a cruel reality that many die-hard Yankee fans struggle to accept. LOL
Put Em in nthe hall fame with a separate hall for that era put all players in there suspicious or not and explain what happened its a piece of history like or not
I don’t blame him for using PED’s. He grew up poor, knew the rest of the league was using them, wanted to live up to his contract and to the rest of the league using. Just like so many poor Dominican players take PED’s to give them a greater advantage of being a success and getting out of poverty
Decline, you don't know when he started using or when he quitted. For all we know he used his whole career and got caught less than he didn't.
MLB (and everybody for that matter) knows that PEDs saved baseball in the late 90s. Then they threw these players under the bus once MLB didnt need them anymore. Put them all in the HOF for their service to the sport. And while we're at it, put Pete Rose in too.
HOF became a joke after David Ortiz made it in....they have this faux outrage about cheating with roids, but then the 2017 Astros who cheated in a MONUMENTAL way still have the trophy and no player punishment and add to that the likes of Clemens and Bonds or how about Pete Rose? total popularity contest w/ absolutely no integrity...way to keep out some of the BEST players of all time....BS
The once the generation of old school voters are no longer around I can see some of the great players involved with PEDs getting consideration. But as long as you have the geezers around there's no chance A Rod gets in.
How is this a case? Do ppl still watch baseball, A Rod was a first ballot hall of famer anytime he stepped on the field, the Hall is the only one suffering from him not being there, with the benefit of hindsight, and with other cheaters like David Ortiz in, its going to look nonsensical that they chose to go this path with players who are clearly amongst the greatest to ever play the game.
Si no estarán en el salón de la fama por usar sustancias que antes no eran prohibidas entonces que de interesante tienen los que están incluidos que tienen números que s no se acercan
Both him and Barry Bonds deserve to get in but The Baseball Hall of Fame voting system is corrupt.
Corrupt ?? They broke rules and cheated
arguably the biggest black eye on the sport in 100 years. NO SHRINE
So many scrubs in the hall of Fame and A-rod, Clemens and Bonds aren't in? The voters think their saving the legacy of the hall of Fame by leaving these guys out, but what they're really doing is making the baseball hall of Fame a joke.
No Bonds then no Arod
Who cares about the HOF, A-Rod will not be forgotten either way.
So they let David Ortiz in but no A-Rod?
He's first ballot for sure, but if Barry Bonds didn't get in....
Alex should DEFINITELY get in!
I doubt there’s any player in the MLB, who doesn’t know who Babe Ruth and Mickey Mantle, are!!!
Hof for sure.
It's sad that a writer someone who sits at a desk with a pen holds your Cooperstown enshrinement in there hands
A Rod is the goat.
There's no case to make...he's either gonna win the popularity contest or not...joke Bagwell, piazza, and Ortiz seemed to get a pass
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Skills I repeat SKILLS pay the bills. PEDs don’t enhance natural talent. All them dudes names should be in the hall of fame.
Thank you! I think people sometimes over exaggerate the effect of PED’s. If you have zero coordination and can’t hit a ball if your life depended on it, then PED’s are not going to all of a sudden make you more coordinated.
If you can’t aim to pitch a strike, yes, you’ll throw harder but you’ll be walking a lot of hitters. Smh.
@@goodlife2456 agreed 100%
Roids give you more strength and stamina which are very important in sport like please most mlb hitters have natural talent but extra strength and stamina does a lot
@@BxAllMightYy There have been cases in which players have been busted, however still did not put up numbers like greats that got busted.
There’s no debate. He is one of the best players in history. The fact that baseball writers get to decide who goes into the Hall of Fame is ridiculous. Change the voting. Everybody who watches baseball knows he is one of the most “famous” players ever. It’s the Hall of “Fame” ! Stop the stupidity.
Decline!!!!!
If bonds and Clemens didn’t get in he’s not getting in
He belongs. He was a complete a-hole and ego maniac but he was also one of the greatest ball players of all time. Someday they have to put him in with Bands and Clemens
This whole thing is so stupid. Barry Bonds was a 1st ballot Hall of Fame baseball player. Roger Clemens was a 1st ballot Hall of Fame baseball player. Curt Schilling was a 1st ballot Hall of Fame baseball player. Alex Rodriguez was a 1st ballot Hall of Fame baseball player.
You cannot tell the story of baseball without mentioning those guys.
8:10 There are baseball players that don’t know who Babe Ruth is? What is this guy smoking?
If T.O ain’t in the football HOF then ARod should NOT be in the baseball HOF
To is in the HoF guy
@@FGPlus lol I stand corrected
@@worldwidereek he just didn't have a ceremony like the others he held a private one
No he took steroids and lied about it said how dare MLB and people accuse him of that then got caught cause he had been doing it for awhile years did yall forget that so cheating is apparently ok now
THANK YOU!!!!!
BUT RACISM IS NOT CHEATING… BABE RUTH DIDNT COMPETE WITH JOSH GIBSON! BABE RUTH DIDNT PLAY AGAINST DOMINICANS … YOU KNOW WHY? CUZ OF THE COLOR OF THEIR SKIN… WAY WORST THAT ANY DRUG OR PED
@@mrsmith3869 I understand what you're saying about babe Ruth only playing against white folks. I would use that argument when people say he's the goat because of what you just said me personally I don't have him as the goat I think it's Willie Mays BUT the greatest I've SEEN before injuries would have to be Ken Griffey Jr it would have been Barry bonds before ped's and that's based on their skills not skin color or background. I would love to hear about babe going against Satchel Paige, man what. I'm just trying to connect that (racism part) with someone that has cheated using ped's.
If Bonds can't get in why Should a roid get in. They deserve it nonetheless
Of course he is a hall of famer and if u don’t think so you don’t know baseball. Steroids or not the man is easily one of the greatest players ever and these clowns that don’t vote for him need to have their vote confiscated.
WHEN U PUT ONE STEROID USER IN THE HALL OF FAME THEN U HAVE TO PUT THE REST IN. AMERICAN KIDS ARE BEING TAUGHT U CAN CHEAT TO GET TO THE TOP, I WILL NEVER VISIT THE HALL NOW THAT PLAYERS THAT CHEATED ARE IN. THE PEOPLE WHO VOTED TO ALLOW THIS TO HAPPEN SHOULD BE FIRED.
I love reading all of the comments below. Seems like the majority of folks here in this comment section generally agree that PEDs or not, A-Rod was a clear generational talent that had all the tools to be one of the greatest, if not the greatest baseball player ever.
With 3k hits, a few shy of 700 homers multiple mvps and a title and golden gloves, me personally, it would be ridiculous not to put a man with such accomplishments in. But that’s me. In the end, whether he gets in or not, he is top 10 on most ppls personal lists of greatest players ever
If bonds and arod not in then the hof is fugazy
Imo A-roid did it to himself by doing steroids. He was a hof already but not now, same with Palmeiro, Clemens, McGuire and Bonds. Doesn't matter how good they were, the difference is they screwed their own destiny up...Period the end.
Pete Rose was a hof as well and I would like to see him enshrined but guess what, not happening.
Alex deserves to get in !!!!
DECLINE
More like hall of shame. Got caught cheating multiple times come on.
If you juiced, you don't get in.
Big Papi got in and he failed a drug test just putting that out there
Maybe there should be a separate HOF for the roiders lol it would be a disgrace to continue to allow cheaters like this, the privilege of making it to the hall of fame.
ken griffey jr.
So Ortiz makes hof but arod doesn't wild
A-Roid? Uhhh, No.
They just can’t accept that us Dominicans are the best at baseball 🤷🏽♂️ as simple as that, we should have a couple more HOF including ofc Alex.
Baseball players no pride in their own game, no respect for the game or the fans.
MLB the same as above
Big Papi cheated and got in
Arod was a much bigger steroid user than even bonds
NO!!!
They let one cheater in why not him
I bet some of these writers have some deep demons in their closet. I dunno, baseball bred this culture and then punished the players for it afterwards. Greasy in my opinion. Makes it hard for me to respect the MLB
Enshrine....
Enshrine
ENSHRINE!!!!!!