She was everything Magnifico should've been (if Disney wanted to go the pure evil route). She was a tough act to follow, but Charming still deserved a better film.
They could have REALLY leaned into him being a mommy’s boy. Not just continuing her old plan, but actively trying to bring her back to life or being told what to do by her ghost or someone who’s pretending to be her. The latter case is RIPE for comedy, Charming being the only one fooled by the very obvious act, possibly in denial; maybe he could land the killing blow on the other villain and idk, die in the process? Don’t know who the person pretending to be Fairy Godmother would be; maybe an old acquaintance of hers? Some sort of relation that would make Charming especially angry at them, such as a traitor sibling of his, or maybe a rival of Godmother’s, that is only revealed near the end. (I’m thinking an evil-looking witch who is altruistic to a comedic degree, in which case SOMEONE has to die via house falling atop them)
If Charming’s antagonist is secretly on the side of good, I’m thinking that maybe Shrek’s plotline would involve a misunderstanding, though it should still deal with the theme of parenting that 3 was trying to handle? Perhaps the new character, if a relation to Charming, is mistaken for him, or if the Second Witch suggestion, she’s set up a gingerbread house in the woods and is believed to be eating children, and either way Shrek is the one tasked with getting the newbie out.
@@anti-usernamesaltaccount3623 TBF, trying to revive the person who raised you isn't necessarily being a mama's boy. And I feel like the reliance on reviving her (even if the "revived" her is actually someone else), I think it takes away from Charming as a villain and puts too much reliance on his mom's HUGE legacy. I'd rather we find out who his dad is and Charming enlist his help--whether that's a specific fairy tale character or a regular king/warlock, idk. The daddy issues could parallel how Shrek now has his father-in-law's legacy to look after, as well as the contrast to FG coddling Charming while his father manipulates him.
Another good way to make a despicable villain likable is if they are faux affably evil. While affable evil mean being polite and friendly despite being a villain( Hannibal lecter, Thanos(mcu) and senator Armstrong), faux affably evil are villains whose politness is only a persona they used to hide the monster they truly are(frieza, handsome jack and Bill cipher). They won't even drop the facade even while doing their evil deeds and only drop them when hit right in the nail. I love this kind of villains because of just how despicable they are but are so polite about it, it's kinda hard to truly hate them.
It always makes for a good time when the villain is just as fun to watch as the protagonist. I always look forward to Shrek and Fairy Godmother's interactions because they have so much chemistry.
Well it was never truly confirmed it was her who cursed fiona but only implied. Though i can imagin that being canon because it just totally in character for her to do that.
In Shrek 1, Fiona told Donkey that a witch had cast a spell on her when she was a little girl. If Fiona didn't have a clear picture of what the culprit looked like, then your theory is totally canon.
I don't think its necessarily that she wants a pre Shrek fairy-tale world because fairy tales in themselves are good. She just wants to control everything like you said.
this was fun and insightful! I used to think Sherk 2 was the oringal Sherk movie and when i saw the 1st movie i hated it because the fairygodmother and the far far away location worked so much better for the same theme of "True Love" and that WAND! she gagged me before i knew i could be gagged
At this point I don’t even believe that Charming is even her biological son. As far as I’m concerned Charming is an enchantment/project of some sort to get her hands on the monarchy bc let’s face it, if Charming had a dad most of this wouldn’t be going down as smoothly as it did.
Early to the party, but good HOLY GODS I LOVE THIS WOMAN! You hate what she does but love how she does it! We need more of these sassy (sexy) characters!
The villanous mother that does evil for the sake of her child's welbeing is such an interesting archetype. Cersei from GoT is another good example. Maybe you could even count something like the Xenomorph Queen in there too. It's very hard to hate a mother for trying to do the best for their children, we are conditioned to see that as a, "pure", saintly instinct. The question is how _far_ would we go to harm, exploit or shove others aside in perceived defense of our offspring.
Part of a definition of evil is to put yourself before others.... But be careful about judging someone too much and being one sided because you might be supporting evil and not realizing it. OR maybe you do realize it and don't care, making you a villain.
11:22 this part is actually quite tricky. It is a must that villains get advantage in order to raise the stake, but in many stories that I've read, it really less about villains outsmart heroes and authorities, and more about heroes and authorities magically become nut brain level of idiots when the plot wants it, and that makes the audience irritated instead getting hyped
0:13 I find it so interesting that people blatantly prefer black and white morals in villains. Even though in real life, the morally grey are much more common. But whatever, it’s popular to hate non-villains so. Ok, fine.
I was trying to think if a charismatic villain but all I can think of is Cell from Dragon Ball and Loki from MCU. Both are witty and absolutely fun characters who are seemingly redeemable. I know Loki does, eventually, got a redemption arc in MCU while Cell never does since he got wrecked by Gohan.
This is a very strange villain. what she's doing is fine on the surface and not evil, just happened to go against Shrek's desires. And is also a stereotypical good character, and with no intimidating presence or horrific actions, you don't really even hate her, she's just an obstacle. This is an interesting character, not really a strong villain, but a strong character nonetheless
"what she's doing is fine on the surface and not evil, just happened to go against Shrek's desires." She tried to trick Fiona into thinking that Prince Charming was her husband, and was willing to use blackmail and love potions to make it happen, with her end goal being to cease power of the Kingdom through him. She was willing to kill for this goal as well, might I add. She had plenty of intimidating presence, even if she never succeeded with her horrific actions. Everything you said in your comment was wrong. The fact that there are people in real life who would do stuff like this if they could doesn't change that it's evil.
@@TJWatkins-qm3cn none of it was personal against Shrek and it was a response to how persistent he is, that wasn't her original intention. She was doing underhanded trickery to prevent something that in her eyes is even worse which is an Ogre marrying the princess
@@randomcat5262 You're forgetting that Fiona is capable of choosing who she loves and in each instance she desires to be with Shrek as much as he desires to be with her. In the Fairy Godmother's own words, "That's something no amount of potion is ever going to change." FGM is literally trying to gaslight and bewitch Fiona into marrying her son, so she has access to the kingdom. If you ask me, that's pretty evil.
@@andrew-songJust because someone wants something doesn't mean that is good for her, Fiona wanted Shrek, but he wasn't the best option to her, never was, being a Ogre also wasn't the best for her, just because you love someone doesn't mean the best thing is to be with the person, she was wrong about wanting power, but she was not about Fiona be better without Shrek. You have to give what someone needs, not what someone wants.
I'd love to see your take on the Enneagram and where the Fairy (Hot)Mother falls! It roots these awesome tips of yours in a unique way! Awesome video essay! 🙏
I think Prince Charming having so much obvious and overt er... fruity stereotyping... means that she actually twofold wanted power through him and marriage but in a sense wanted him to conform to the fairytales as well! We don't know very much about him, all we know is that he is a foppish mama's boy, so even his own characterization is dwarfed by her. It makes her more interesting because of filling in those mysteries in her closer relationships
I was with you until 8:56. A purely evil uncharismatic villain can be just as interesting as any charismatic complex villain can be, and this idea that deep and complex is sadly way to widespread in todays writers.
The fairy Godmother is The perfect Critic She's all like No No No We don't like the new Status quo we must keep things the way they are and that's why I hate her She doesn't decide who gets a happy ending and who doesn't It's the characters themselves who make there own destiny
Why 'elon musk rocket'? couldnt you just say 'a rocket'. Kinda dont want to be forcefed his name in almost every part of the internet. Especially when he's a horrid person on so many levels. Its not even the correct name, its 'space x', far more people worked on that project then just musk... Also, just in general you glossed over a few sociopolitical motifs in the movie which are tied to the fairy god mother... With her being the head of a mega cooperation, and the fact that she uses her influence to to gain more power, eg, marrying her son to the largest kingdom. Its not necessarily about the 'fairytale story' thats just a guise fof her to get her way and keep society the way it is for her to climb the ladder. She even planned it from the start with the kings back story. Its a kingdom being puppeted by a powerhungry CEO behind the scenes. Almost like if large coorperations and buisnesses had politicians in their pockets who parot 'family values' motifs to further their own monetairy goals.
Making someone fall for someone else is something I fear... It fits into my fears... My fears: - athazagoraphobia: the fear of being Forgotten - VORAREPHOBIA: the fear of being Eaten alive or Swallowed - scopophobia: the fear of being Starred at - isolophobia: the fear of being Alone or Isolated Think about this... You're hurt and crying out for help, calling your partner, but while you're crying ans in pain {even dying} your Partner is meanwhile cheating on you, while you scream... Your Partner is being _f u c k e d_ by someone else... This terrifies me... It's toxic ans cold, it's cruel. I'm someone that has a different view of Romance, I find Romantic gestures and Traditional romance all creepy. I just want a Strictly Private relationship, with my Future GF, simple
The fairy Godmother is The perfect Critic She's all like No No No We don't like the new Status quo we must keep things the way they are and that's why I hate her She doesn't decide who Get's a happy ending and who doesn't We Make Are own destiny
Please, do not say the fairy godmother is like a Bond villain, Bond villains use unnecessary rubrix machines to let the hero scape (and I classify this as a plot hole), she does need to be clever so she does not make Fiona mad at her.
Great take- really enjoyed it. However the fact that you used Trump as a pic example means the real villains lies are working on you- you are literally not taking ur own advice
He's a politician, he wouldn't be cut out for the job if he wasn't a compulsive liar. Just take a good look at his opponents, they're all unscrupulous liars as well, ready to do and tell all the enormities in order to achieve their ends. Even publishing fake presidential programs to discredit their adversaries. They managed to convince public opinion that Biden was not just a puppet suffering from senile dementia and that anyone who said otherwise was a traitor. Well, today we know it wasn't a conspiracy theory. And of course, they succeeded, at least for a while, in making the majority of voters believe that they were a better choice than Trump. The problem is that at the end of their disastrous reign (on so many levels), this lie no longer holds water at all because it is an undeniable fact: the United States of America became more prosperous under Trump than under Biden (and that's an understatement)... or even before, under Obama. And between an incompetent moron who has accomplished nothing relevant in her entire career, aside from sending parents to jail, all because she decreed their kids missed too many days of school, aka modern day lobotomization factory (never mind that said children could suffer from health problems) and a dude who has already proven himself in the past, the American people make their choice and they chose the more honest and useful liar of the two.
She was everything Magnifico should've been (if Disney wanted to go the pure evil route). She was a tough act to follow, but Charming still deserved a better film.
They could have REALLY leaned into him being a mommy’s boy. Not just continuing her old plan, but actively trying to bring her back to life or being told what to do by her ghost or someone who’s pretending to be her.
The latter case is RIPE for comedy, Charming being the only one fooled by the very obvious act, possibly in denial; maybe he could land the killing blow on the other villain and idk, die in the process?
Don’t know who the person pretending to be Fairy Godmother would be; maybe an old acquaintance of hers? Some sort of relation that would make Charming especially angry at them, such as a traitor sibling of his, or maybe a rival of Godmother’s, that is only revealed near the end. (I’m thinking an evil-looking witch who is altruistic to a comedic degree, in which case SOMEONE has to die via house falling atop them)
If Charming’s antagonist is secretly on the side of good, I’m thinking that maybe Shrek’s plotline would involve a misunderstanding, though it should still deal with the theme of parenting that 3 was trying to handle?
Perhaps the new character, if a relation to Charming, is mistaken for him, or if the Second Witch suggestion, she’s set up a gingerbread house in the woods and is believed to be eating children, and either way Shrek is the one tasked with getting the newbie out.
@@anti-usernamesaltaccount3623 TBF, trying to revive the person who raised you isn't necessarily being a mama's boy. And I feel like the reliance on reviving her (even if the "revived" her is actually someone else), I think it takes away from Charming as a villain and puts too much reliance on his mom's HUGE legacy. I'd rather we find out who his dad is and Charming enlist his help--whether that's a specific fairy tale character or a regular king/warlock, idk. The daddy issues could parallel how Shrek now has his father-in-law's legacy to look after, as well as the contrast to FG coddling Charming while his father manipulates him.
@@OpticalSorcerer Yeah that sounds better haha. The parallels in that would be so rad.
@@anti-usernamesaltaccount3623 Sorry, I don't mean to make it sound like I think your idea is bad. It does sound like it could be funny.
Fairy GodMother is still my favorite villain, even though she’s gone, her evil plan of having her song played in so many movies/shows still lives on
Do believe fairy Godmother is the one who cursed Fiona
Another good way to make a despicable villain likable is if they are faux affably evil. While affable evil mean being polite and friendly despite being a villain( Hannibal lecter, Thanos(mcu) and senator Armstrong), faux affably evil are villains whose politness is only a persona they used to hide the monster they truly are(frieza, handsome jack and Bill cipher). They won't even drop the facade even while doing their evil deeds and only drop them when hit right in the nail. I love this kind of villains because of just how despicable they are but are so polite about it, it's kinda hard to truly hate them.
SENATOR ARMSTRONG MENTIONED!!! 🎶 STANDING HERE, I REALIZE 🎶
Meanwhile, me, the Father of the Olympians: Great to see I wasn't mentioned!
Shrek 2 will always be my favorite amongst the series. The story, plot, and characters made it so worth watching over and over again.
Same Here
then there's jack horner who is fully unrelatable, has no redeeming qualities and is so much fun he still is charismatic
Dreamworks knew what they were doing when they cast Jennifer Saunders as the fairy godmother, she was AWESOME!
Agreed!
2:45 I thought it was gonna be "Charisma, Uniqueness, Nerve, and Talent" HAHAHAHA
well, she checks all the boxes for those.
It always makes for a good time when the villain is just as fun to watch as the protagonist. I always look forward to Shrek and Fairy Godmother's interactions because they have so much chemistry.
9:17 "the whole series" and shows Shrek 1, 2 and 4. Loved that. ;D
The Elon Musk rocket comparison low-key made me visibly cringe
Haha me too
Well it was never truly confirmed it was her who cursed fiona but only implied. Though i can imagin that being canon because it just totally in character for her to do that.
In Shrek 1, Fiona told Donkey that a witch had cast a spell on her when she was a little girl. If Fiona didn't have a clear picture of what the culprit looked like, then your theory is totally canon.
I don't think its necessarily that she wants a pre Shrek fairy-tale world because fairy tales in themselves are good. She just wants to control everything like you said.
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*MY DIET IS RUINED!!!!* I hope you’re happy!!
Such an underrated scene. 😂
Her Holding out for a hero sequel is what made me like her alot
The way the script is written really makes it seem like this video was created by AI.
Fairy Godmother, Jack Horner, and Lord Shen are peak villains
0:15, and there were people who did of those things, me included
this was fun and insightful! I used to think Sherk 2 was the oringal Sherk movie and when i saw the 1st movie i hated it because the fairygodmother and the far far away location worked so much better for the same theme of "True Love" and that WAND! she gagged me before i knew i could be gagged
I love that the only thing that she thinks is truly evil to some capacity was that she ruined her diet 😂
At this point I don’t even believe that Charming is even her biological son. As far as I’m concerned Charming is an enchantment/project of some sort to get her hands on the monarchy bc let’s face it, if Charming had a dad most of this wouldn’t be going down as smoothly as it did.
Early to the party, but good HOLY GODS I LOVE THIS WOMAN! You hate what she does but love how she does it! We need more of these sassy (sexy) characters!
The villanous mother that does evil for the sake of her child's welbeing is such an interesting archetype. Cersei from GoT is another good example. Maybe you could even count something like the Xenomorph Queen in there too. It's very hard to hate a mother for trying to do the best for their children, we are conditioned to see that as a, "pure", saintly instinct. The question is how _far_ would we go to harm, exploit or shove others aside in perceived defense of our offspring.
2:45 she has
C u next Thursday.
Charisma, Uniqueness, nerves and talent
Part of a definition of evil is to put yourself before others....
But be careful about judging someone too much and being one sided because you might be supporting evil and not realizing it. OR maybe you do realize it and don't care, making you a villain.
It’s the lust in the bleach bottle for me 💅
Don't forget about Scarlett Overkill. She is a Charismatic Queen!
She was a incredible villian honestly I wish she was in the other Shreks as well
11:22 this part is actually quite tricky. It is a must that villains get advantage in order to raise the stake, but in many stories that I've read, it really less about villains outsmart heroes and authorities, and more about heroes and authorities magically become nut brain level of idiots when the plot wants it, and that makes the audience irritated instead getting hyped
Ahh yes, "ChariSHma". Sean Connery would be proud. 2:49
awesome video, keep up the good work bro
0:13 I find it so interesting that people blatantly prefer black and white morals in villains. Even though in real life, the morally grey are much more common.
But whatever, it’s popular to hate non-villains so. Ok, fine.
She was like an evil Bayonetta
Handsome jack, by far the best charming villain.
Thank you for the writing tips:D
I recently watched your video's you earned New sub
I was trying to think if a charismatic villain but all I can think of is Cell from Dragon Ball and Loki from MCU. Both are witty and absolutely fun characters who are seemingly redeemable. I know Loki does, eventually, got a redemption arc in MCU while Cell never does since he got wrecked by Gohan.
2:48 why did i think you were going to say charisma, uniqueness, nerve and talent 😭😭
This is a very strange villain. what she's doing is fine on the surface and not evil, just happened to go against Shrek's desires. And is also a stereotypical good character, and with no intimidating presence or horrific actions, you don't really even hate her, she's just an obstacle. This is an interesting character, not really a strong villain, but a strong character nonetheless
"what she's doing is fine on the surface and not evil, just happened to go against Shrek's desires."
She tried to trick Fiona into thinking that Prince Charming was her husband, and was willing to use blackmail and love potions to make it happen, with her end goal being to cease power of the Kingdom through him. She was willing to kill for this goal as well, might I add. She had plenty of intimidating presence, even if she never succeeded with her horrific actions.
Everything you said in your comment was wrong. The fact that there are people in real life who would do stuff like this if they could doesn't change that it's evil.
@@TJWatkins-qm3cn none of it was personal against Shrek and it was a response to how persistent he is, that wasn't her original intention. She was doing underhanded trickery to prevent something that in her eyes is even worse which is an Ogre marrying the princess
@@randomcat5262 You're forgetting that Fiona is capable of choosing who she loves and in each instance she desires to be with Shrek as much as he desires to be with her. In the Fairy Godmother's own words, "That's something no amount of potion is ever going to change." FGM is literally trying to gaslight and bewitch Fiona into marrying her son, so she has access to the kingdom. If you ask me, that's pretty evil.
@@andrew-songJust because someone wants something doesn't mean that is good for her, Fiona wanted Shrek, but he wasn't the best option to her, never was, being a Ogre also wasn't the best for her, just because you love someone doesn't mean the best thing is to be with the person, she was wrong about wanting power, but she was not about Fiona be better without Shrek.
You have to give what someone needs, not what someone wants.
You sir are very informative and you got yourself a sub!
I'd love to see your take on the Enneagram and where the Fairy (Hot)Mother falls! It roots these awesome tips of yours in a unique way! Awesome video essay! 🙏
I think Prince Charming having so much obvious and overt er... fruity stereotyping... means that she actually twofold wanted power through him and marriage but in a sense wanted him to conform to the fairytales as well! We don't know very much about him, all we know is that he is a foppish mama's boy, so even his own characterization is dwarfed by her. It makes her more interesting because of filling in those mysteries in her closer relationships
Loki 💚
I was with you until 8:56. A purely evil uncharismatic villain can be just as interesting as any charismatic complex villain can be, and this idea that deep and complex is sadly way to widespread in todays writers.
The fairy Godmother is The perfect Critic She's all like No No No We don't like the new Status quo we must keep things the way they are and that's why I hate her She doesn't decide who gets a happy ending and who doesn't It's the characters themselves who make there own destiny
You activated the Siri on the device I was using
Why 'elon musk rocket'? couldnt you just say 'a rocket'. Kinda dont want to be forcefed his name in almost every part of the internet. Especially when he's a horrid person on so many levels. Its not even the correct name, its 'space x', far more people worked on that project then just musk...
Also, just in general you glossed over a few sociopolitical motifs in the movie which are tied to the fairy god mother... With her being the head of a mega cooperation, and the fact that she uses her influence to to gain more power, eg, marrying her son to the largest kingdom. Its not necessarily about the 'fairytale story' thats just a guise fof her to get her way and keep society the way it is for her to climb the ladder. She even planned it from the start with the kings back story. Its a kingdom being puppeted by a powerhungry CEO behind the scenes.
Almost like if large coorperations and buisnesses had politicians in their pockets who parot 'family values' motifs to further their own monetairy goals.
Making someone fall for someone else is something I fear... It fits into my fears...
My fears:
- athazagoraphobia: the fear of being Forgotten
- VORAREPHOBIA: the fear of being Eaten alive or Swallowed
- scopophobia: the fear of being Starred at
- isolophobia: the fear of being Alone or Isolated
Think about this... You're hurt and crying out for help, calling your partner, but while you're crying ans in pain {even dying} your Partner is meanwhile cheating on you, while you scream... Your Partner is being _f u c k e d_ by someone else...
This terrifies me... It's toxic ans cold, it's cruel. I'm someone that has a different view of Romance, I find Romantic gestures and Traditional romance all creepy. I just want a Strictly Private relationship, with my Future GF, simple
what the heck are you talking about
why is the toon mascot guy lowkey kind of attractive
😦
Even though he doesn't have a human head, the character is a man wearing a suit with a defined body
@@jeancarlos2509 exactly
I have never felt older than hearing that Fortnite analogy and having no idea what you're talking about
i mean if shrek 2 blasted off in an elon musk rocket it would have exploded before leaving the atmosphere but hey
Can I pause you right there for a monument please?
Wow, you seem to be soley focused on DreamWorks villain. I guess that's 🆒️
He actually started doing these videos with a Disney villain. Though yeah he mostly does dreamworks villains.
The fairy Godmother is The perfect Critic She's all like No No No We don't like the new Status quo we must keep things the way they are and that's why I hate her She doesn't decide who Get's a happy ending and who doesn't We Make Are own destiny
How the heck do you know about fairy tale villains? I like to write one, and that’s what I’m doing on my laptop
Vienna is also ogre, right?
je ne say KWAH not quoy
Thank you I was like wtf did he just say? 😂
Please, do not say the fairy godmother is like a Bond villain, Bond villains use unnecessary rubrix machines to let the hero scape (and I classify this as a plot hole), she does need to be clever so she does not make Fiona mad at her.
I agree with everything you say, however get Megamind out name out of your mouth. He is a super villain of the highest order and a good guy.
What do trump and kamala have to do with his?
Great take- really enjoyed it. However the fact that you used Trump as a pic example means the real villains lies are working on you- you are literally not taking ur own advice
He's a politician, he wouldn't be cut out for the job if he wasn't a compulsive liar. Just take a good look at his opponents, they're all unscrupulous liars as well, ready to do and tell all the enormities in order to achieve their ends. Even publishing fake presidential programs to discredit their adversaries. They managed to convince public opinion that Biden was not just a puppet suffering from senile dementia and that anyone who said otherwise was a traitor. Well, today we know it wasn't a conspiracy theory. And of course, they succeeded, at least for a while, in making the majority of voters believe that they were a better choice than Trump. The problem is that at the end of their disastrous reign (on so many levels), this lie no longer holds water at all because it is an undeniable fact: the United States of America became more prosperous under Trump than under Biden (and that's an understatement)... or even before, under Obama. And between an incompetent moron who has accomplished nothing relevant in her entire career, aside from sending parents to jail, all because she decreed their kids missed too many days of school, aka modern day lobotomization factory (never mind that said children could suffer from health problems) and a dude who has already proven himself in the past, the American people make their choice and they chose the more honest and useful liar of the two.