@@batman-vulgobrucewayne3163😅 don’t worry man I don’t think you have to. I think by now it’s pretty sure Miles and Gwen will have a happy ending together as couple at the end of BTSV.❤
I was exactly like Pav when watching this movie... "This romantic tension is so palpable" "Will they? Won't they?" "How can you guys even concentrate!"
Hobie ships them too, but it’s lowkey. He called Gwen ‘Gwendy’ And Miles ‘Peter Pan’ It’s clever cause Wendy and Peter Pan were literally from different worlds, i don’t know who else caught that though
I just can't get over the face Gwen makes when Miles glitches for the first time in Nueva York. If that face doesn't tell you how much she cares about him, I don't know what will.
I can't get over the (CUT IN THE DIGITAL VERSION :( dialogue in mumbattan where gwen is running to find miles in the rubble, frantically saying “No no no no miles, please, please no! Miles? Miles please…” (something like that)
@@gjk-arts5855 By the way she's still saying everything...It's just lowered or muted. That was a bad "fix" to do. That scene alone proves she wasn't lying when she said she wants to both save him and preserve the canon. That despite her hostility to Miles being there she is fundamentally in love with him. But the fix to make Miles NOT say to the man that wants to murder his father and considers him a cosmic mistake...Sorry man I'm going home. That one makes sense Miles should in no way be doubting himself there or respecting Miguel in the slightest. That was a legit fix. Same with making Miles Prowler more scarred. Everything else has no story importance so I can take or leave em.
YES.YES.YES. I’ve seen so many people say stuff like “Gwen doesn’t care about Miles” and “Miles cares about Gwen more than Gwen cares about him” which is completely wrong. If anything, Gwen cares more about Miles as she literally thought about him and looked at that one photo of him for over a year, and went to see him even when she was told not to. On the other hand, Miles occasionally drew her and mentioned her a few times. I’m sure if Miles knew about how Gwen obsessed over him for a year he’d literally faint. Also Gwen was so flustered and relieved when she saw Miles’s drawings of her because it showed her that Miles thought of her (almost) just as often as Gwen thought of him. Lmao I can’t wait for the people who say Gwen is a traitor to start switching up on her when BTSV comes out it’s gonna be so fun to watch.
You've got it all right! Gwen was definitely obsessed with Miles, and she put that photo of them together in the same place she kept her suit so she would see it everyday. It'll definitely be fun to watch all the people switch up on her when BTSV comes out lol
I think it's inherently wrong and unfair to say either love each other more or less than the other. Miles occasionally drawing her? He draws her everywhere...Literally everywhere. He clearly thought about her a lot...Alongside his guilt for Aaron's death. The only reason he mentions "Gwanda" last is because his first thought isn't friendship but crush/attraction...But even mentioning her over the others is important as she and Peter matter the most to him. But that did end the second she admitted to believing he's a cosmic mistake with no excuse or justification and siding against him to cause his father's death...That would be the point he seemingly no longer cares. While from Gwen's position after realizing how they were wrong about literally everything her love for him is reinforced. They've switched places from the beginning (ITSV) when Miles was into her but she wasn't then they were both into each other but couldn't/wouldn't work together (most of the film) to she's into him more than ever before but he's well...I'm not gonna assume he hates her because he never stated that (the end of the film). If anything I assume Miles is just in shock and disappointed and questioning if there was anything ever real there from either party. That he's wondering if he ever really truly knew her and if she ever truly knew him. He just broke off the relationship and booked it out...He doesn't want to harm her in any measure even when they're actively invalidating and attacking him. His resort is just to say goodbye...Probably because he doesn't believe he'll ever see her again because we know from the Earth 42 swinging scene he's actually wondering if they're right that if he saves his father they'll just die.
@@flamesofchaos13 Yeah Miles drew Gwen everywhere but he also drew many other spider people. Miles definitely thought about Gwen a lot but c’mon, Miles has tons of people around him, Gwen only has her dad and Miles. The reason Gwen obsessed over him so much is because he’s the only person who befriended her when she thought she didn’t want any friends. When Gwen and the other spider people left Miles’s dimension, Miles wasn’t really that sad about it. He wanted to learn quantum physics and attend a school in New Jersey so he could see them again but he never really felt depressed or alone without them. On the other hand, Gwen thought of Miles pretty much every day. She kept that one photo of him and cherished it every day. It’s not like Miles was obsessing and thinking about Gwen every single day hoping to see her again, but Gwen definitely did think about Miles every day, as we see in her backstory. The reason Gwen is so desperate to redeem herself is because she has nobody. Miles can eventually forget about Gwen. Gwen has more to lose than Miles. As I said before, Miles has many people around him. Gwen however has nobody except her dad, Hobie, maybe Pavitr or Peter B, and Miles who is mad at her right now. If Gwen loses Miles she’ll most likely be depressed and feel alone like how she did when the movie started. And Gwen also realized her mistakes and wants to make up for it because it’s the right thing to do. (This might change when the short film comes out) In the beginning, Gwen kinda liked Miles and Miles had a crush on Gwen. In the end they decided to just stay friends. As you said, they switched places. Gwen has a massive crush on Miles and thinks about him all the time, Miles has a small crush on Gwen and wanted to learn quantum physics so he could see her and the other spider people again. I definitely think Gwen will redeem herself in BTSV and they could potentially (definitely) get together.
@@indigospider_ There's a difference between having people around you and having people that get you. You're forgetting that his single friend Ganke is barely supportive (really isn't), He draws Gwen a lot more than the others and never mentions them besides Peter, He's getting into fights/arguments with his parents literally taking a "Whatever" approach to everything, He dropped his favorite hobbie and study of art to fully study physics to unlock that dimensional travel...He ain't doing that for Ham or Noir and it's another point of contention because he's dropping in his grades in all his classes including the vitally important Spanish that he knows would piss his mother off. There is more than enough evidence to showcase yes he very much cares. They both care that's kinda the point...They both love each other but they both hurt one another because their love didn't equal understanding. She didn't realize his father isn't an option or choice...If he must die trying he'll die trying. She also didn't realize he could be reasoned with if honest because Peter B almost did it. He didn't realize what her reservation is about because he doesn't know that she accidentally killed Lizard Peter the only other friend she ever had, He doesn't know that the argument with her father wasn't just an argument but him trying to arrest her (*correction he knows about him trying to arrest her but not that she revealed her identity), He doesn't know that she thought about him for a year and 4 months (too), He doesn't know for a fact she's not with Hobie, He doesn't know that what Gwen meant by fall for Spider-Man she means Gwen always dies. He is clueless to the most important details to explain Gwen's actions. He's not a mind reader he can't just realize magically why she's able to think and operate the way she does. He wouldn't forget about her...He can't and doesn't. It's been a year and four months if he could've done that he would've done that by now. The truth is that he doesn't actually have that much better of a life...His Spider-Man life has been a string of failures and mistakes. He does have his parents which is the sole part where he's blessed compared to the other...Problem is he takes them for granted and pushes them away (which is definitely part of the reason he can't let them die because he can't leave it at that). He's haunted by the death of Uncle Aaron just as much as Peter's Ben and Gwen's Peter haunt them with the added facet of having good and terrible memories from it because he was both a supportive family member and villain...He just buried it deeper but it's 100% there. You saying he doesn't love her as much is just wild to me. I don't understand how...He's the one that literally noted when she was depressed that they're the same in all the ways that matter and there's a first time for everything. He's the one holding back tears when he says goodbye Gwen...If he didn't love her he wouldn't address her he wouldn't feel so deeply betrayed. After she invalidated his very existence and demanded his father must die...He still shows he cares in some measure which if that's not deep love I don't know what is. Because most people hearing that they'd despise her...As you see from negative reactions a lot of people do. But Miles isn't one of them. He loves her...That's the exact problem. He doesn't know how to synthesize that with everything else. He really can't because he doesn't have all the facts...That indicates yeah her love and pain is deep too. Miles is destined to lose his father, his mother and Gwen herself. So yeah I don't think it's right to say she has more to lose/lost more. Right now they're even depending on if Blonde Peter and her mother Helen count (they should). With destiny trying to claim the rest of both of their families and Gwen. If it happens then Miles loses more long term...Which Gwen's would actually be the one that fundamentally breaks him. We know from other realities he can endure Rio's and Jeff's loss though he does darken. But Gwen's...Nah that one's would be really really bad. Because there's no question he'd react like Andrew "I stopped holding back" = Mass Murder. If anything turns him into a Villain it'd be Gwen's death.
@@flamesofchaos13 I said Gwen cares more about Miles than Miles cares about Gwen, because saying that’s the case RIGHT NOW. If in BTSV Gwen redeems herself, I’m sure Miles will love her more. Miles still loves her right now, but yeah as you said he just feels really betrayed. They both love each other equally but at this point in time, Miles feels betrayed and can’t trust Gwen until she redeems herself and Miles finds out her actual story. Then I’m sure they will trust each other again but right now, Gwen cares more.
I think about one comment I've read a few hours ago: Miles has a huge crush on Gwen. And Gwen falls in love slower than him, but her love is still very strong due to that. Think Gwens way of love is a little more mature than Miles', but it's still as much as his love. Also: You can see that they are clearly "synchronized" during their swinging through 1610-Brooklyn. You can see the art style of Miles' city, but it is blurred with Gwens colors, too. The backgrounds are a little 'pinker' as long as she is on 1610.
I'm not sure that Gwen's way of love is more "mature", but it is certainly more direct, and also distant at the same time. Gwen isn't as emotionally intelligent as Miles since she's been holding her feeling back for so long from everyone in her universe. She hasn't explored what it's like to fall hard for someone and Miles happens to be the guy that breaks through her armor, by literally doing nothing special other than be himself!! Given her inexperience in exploring emotional expression, she is kinda making up her own playbook as she goes, and for the most part it works. In reality, Miles does exude that high level of maturity "beyond his years" by never trying to push Gwen into anything she doesn't want. That's maturity and high emotional control for a 15 boy who's crushing hard!!
Another thing during the up side down kiss homage scene the two holes at the background hints at their world being collided with each other. Another thing in the directors commentary when Gwen leaves and before Miles decides to follow her the directors said Miles was thinking to stay home or follow his destiny. They literally called Gwen his destiny
@@elishawilson5342 Something has to be wiping out realities. That something has to be connected to Spiders and their Enemies/Variants. Canon Events can't be completely BS narratively...The result of breaking them leading to destruction can be. But the Events themselves should 100% be a thing...Because they're the 280+ Spiders of the Society have been experiencing them and they don't question the narrative of it. Also you're taking what I said at face value and overly serious. By using the term canon event I just mean something that is meant to be. The Web of Life and Destiny is 100% real it's shown to you in ITSV twice. It's a thing...It doesn't work exactly like the Society thinks it does though.
@@flamesofchaos13 that something can obviously be an incursion or a collider as we've seen the damage it can do it can destroy universes or even cause black holes like what the spot did in mumbattan when he used it
Everything about these two is a joy to watch. I notice that during their "date" swinging throughout Brooklyn, Gwen constantly keeps looking back at Miles. It is like she doesn't want to lose sight of him, or better, needs confirmation that he's there. The way they light up one another's worlds. They feel so alive together. How could you not see how strong their love for one another is. They have so much standing in their way , and yet, they're still trying to make it work.
@@suzygirl1843 So you mean the first time for everything line by miles to Gwen on the clocktower was just a throwaway line. That alone already foreshadows the ending state
@@sapphiredragon7234 Gwen says in every universe, Gwen Stacy falls for Spiderman. She is foreshadowing her death. I predict that in order to save Miles dad, Gwen will die.
Best of all, Gwen KNOWS he loves her. The best scene is when she convinces him to un-ground himself. The face she makes and the face he makes are priceless. 💪🏾❤️🔥
Just wanted to add something. When Gwen is looking off in the city before she enters the portal, I think she’s actually looking at the big illuminated rooftop in the distance-the Morales party. So in a way, she is talking directly to Miles.
Personally even although she said she wouldn’t go see him again I feel like she’d have definitely eventually just went back. She wouldn’t have been able to stop herself her first chance to go to his dimension over a year later she instantly goes straight to him in his own room
@@adamboy0559 The watches are monitored by Miguel every step of the way. She was only allowed there once for the mission she was on. She would never be allowed back. The only way she would've ever seen him again is to reject the Society and get Hobie to build her a watch. Miguel would find out and then target them both...Different path same conclusion the Society is their enemy, The Spot will seek to end them all no matter what as well especially her as he promised everything Miles loves which includes Gwen. Then if she took too long and Miles parents are already dead and he finds out she knew and didn't warn him...He'd never forgive her. Only reason she still has a chance is they're not dead yet.
@@flamesofchaos13 yeah he knows where she goes but he was unaware she was sent to 1610 yet. Shows he isn’t always watching where people go. She’d have at some point went back no matter what. Even if it was with a new watch hobie made or the one Miguel gave her she’d have went back. The society may have gave her a greater purpose but she didn’t enjoy it. You can see her entire mood change as soon as she’s with Miles and though she knows he ain’t meant to be on nueva York she’s happy he’s there. She finally has her best friend with her again.
@@adamboy0559 He's always watching...Or shall we say it's always recording. They literally monitor them he saw the entire date from Gwen entering Miles room to the party at the Morales's...He was watching the recording of Gwiles before he switched to the recording of "his" daughter. He also had recordings of the entire events of Into the Spider-Verse...Someone was already working with Miguel back then probably Peter B. He sees everything, He knows everything they do. He's a patient man willing to wait for when he punishes you. He was angry at both of them...He didn't kick out Gwen for one offense he kicked her out for multiple in a row. Yeah because Gwen was conflicted between them the entire time. She believes in the canon and believes Miles is too reckless/naive, But she's also fundamentally in love with Miles which makes her reckless/naive. "People get stupid when they care for someone" - Insomniac Uncle Aaron The Irony is if Gwen had just done her mission to prevent the Spot then go see Miles afterwards...None of this would've happened. Miles dad would live, Miguel would be proven wrong, Miles would never dimension hop making him a target of Miguel and his cult. Miguel was at least for the time being letting Miles chill on 1610-B (though given he believes he's an anomaly everywhere and the source of the problem for the entire Multiverse's problem he would eventually get tired of it and teleport to Miles world to kill him as he gets more and more unhinged looking for a permanent solution).
@@flamesofchaos13 yeah that’s recorded he doesn’t see everything at all times live. So she’d have time to go and find a solution to hide it before he gets around to seeing what she was up to. Likely the only reason he even was watching was after he found out Gwen went and that spot escaped. Otherwise if spot was dealt with he’d have no reason to check the recordings. He only checks to see what went wrong knowing spot escaped and is still put there. Peter B likely filled him in on the first movie after he reached out to him originally. We know Miguel has known Peter B for a long time now and likely was one of his first recruits. He likely described what was happening due to a universes collider breaking the multiverse and Peter since he was there and experienced it all filled him in on exactly what went down and more importantly the others that included Gwen and that she seemed to show affection to miles and this is why Miguel is reluctant to invite her to the society originally. She’d have definitely went against Miguel to go see him even if it got her sent home she would atleast be able to tell him the truth about what he is and he’d still trust her for this
Idk how people can watch ATSV and come away from it thinking Gwen doesn't love Miles with the same yearning and affection he feels for her. Like. C'mon. They miss each other so much, they bond about so many things, they can talk emotionally and maturely and she has so much guilt about what happened to him because of the rest of Spider-Society and her role in it. Like. They've been building this up so well. I love it.
@@austincde Comics she was 18 he was 16 a month from 17...They kissed. Films she's 16 and he's 15 they've done nothing but yearn and lean on. Nothing wrong has ever happened. They've always been in that 2 year gap which is nothing. There are 60 to 70 year olds with 20 to 30 year olds in real life. It's nothing...Worst comes to worst Miles has to wait 2 years to take it to the next level. He's already waited a year and a half just to see her again. By the way Comics Miles is currently 18 and dating Vulture's granddaughter Tiana/Starling. Insomniac Miles is 17. Spoilers for Insomniac Spider-Man 2... Who's the most powerful variant literally winning a fight against Symbiote Suit Peter trying to kill him. Insomniac's Symbiote Suit Peter being the most powerful version ever seen too. It's insane...THAT'S how powerful Miles can become. He's dating a deaf girl named Hailey. Cindy Moon aka Silk is going to become his step sister. Favorite lines: Miles - So do I get to tell everyone Mysterio's a good guy now? Beck - Mysterio will always be a villain just as Spider-Man will always be a hero...The problem is when you look under the masks the people are messy. Mary Jane: Leave him alone he's a good man. Kraven: There are no Good Men. Aaron: You'd make a decent Prowler Miles.
It's because she hurt him due to Miguel's influence, completely forgetting that a friendless teenager who has been basically abandoned by her only family would be susceptible to surface level virtuous dogmas told to her by the people who basically saved her while she was at her lowest point.
Gwen and Miles are my favorite ship of all time. It is so clear how much they are completely in love with each other and I swear they better get together in Beyond The Spider-Verse! I love all the GhostFlower content there is out there and yours is the best!
Gwen misunderstood the whole situation when she had to leave Miles at the party, thinking there was no chance he'd follow her......riiiiight!! Then she ended up having to look jealousy in face when Miles was chatting to Spider Byte. Like, the anger on her face was excellent 🤣
She is head over heels in love with that boy.. anyone who says otherwise is literally on heavy drugs. Also them getting together is a must otherwise all the build up between them would’ve been a complete waste of time and pointless.
"Heavy on drugs". Bro😂😂. Nah,but seriously it's obvious. People who say they don't see it are either coping hard or are peter x gwen diehards who moan that miles is stealing peters girl.
Bruh she was hitting the drums in the beginning to try and stop thinking about him, she kept seeing his reflections everywhere, she even kept the photo of her and him together with her and she went to see him even when she was told not to........ How can they say she doesn't care about him? I can't wait for Beyond to shut them all up the same way The Dark Knight shut up anyone sceptical of Heath Ledger's casting as the Joker!
It’s actually crazy how much obsessed they are with each other but also have their own story it’s so cool watching they both express their love for each other in different ways I’m praying they have a good ending in any way I’ll be happy!!
Low key I really hope there’s a heartwarming moment between miles and Gwen similar to how zuko hugged iroh where all of the emotions just start swelling in.
Gwen & Miles will pull through. I also realized how cool Hobie was when you think back to the Gwen and Miles scene sitting down and catching up and she says that she’s been staying with Hobie and she says thats different. Hits you right in the stomach think the worse. Then you think back to the beginning 20 minutes of set up that Gwen only wanted to see Miles especially after Peter died. Once she got the watch it was probably the first thing that she thought about, then they told her about Miles. Hobie heard about Miles anomaly as well, important for the information below. Hobie was there as a big brother, who is over aged, listening to Gwen, underaged, talk about Miles constantly. Gwen also wanted to avoid the conversation about her dad and how she can’t go back, she’s homeless and her father believes she’s a murderer and is ashamed to tell the one person she holds so close, Miles. She probably would’ve before but is confused and in pain that she can’t tell Miles about his situation. Hobie also left a watch for Gwen, Hobie said f 1:03 off and left way before they took Gwen’s watch. He knew that she was going do anything possible to save the person she loves. Beautiful writing. Creates doubt about a possible romance with Hobie but then you think taking all points into consideration: age wise (no we don’t want to think Hobie a pedo), circumstances of the beginning of the movie, I also don’t want to think Hobie took advantage of someone in such a mental state it would put down as scum, also Hobie pink. My theory for Hobie turning pink with Miles is that Hobie is Miles fanboy, I know I know but continue for the following reasons 1: he heard all about Miles from Gwen 2.Miles is the original anomaly, the first fuck you to the fabric of reality. 3 they tell us how much of anarchist Hobie is, he probably knew shit was going to go down because Miles was going to rebel. He made a watch left it for Gwen, and is on the Miles Recovery Team. He probably has Miles way up there on f the world I’ll follow him and cause chaos not for the sake of chaos but for the sake of giving a middle finger to the universe on cannon events. If I were the writers I would make Hobie’s cannon event a flashback really tragic that would put him in the I can’t accept that cannon events are real but knew he couldn’t do anything about it until he heard about Miles. It shows that he’s been planning everything for his sake and for the sake of helping Miles and Gwen break the cannon.
I’ve never heard of their ship name as Gwiles 😂 I’ve only heard people refer to them as Macey (Miles+ Stacey or Morales+Stacey) but now thinking on it, you can’t do much with their names without making it sound odd.
@@AdamIshak01 the most popular as of ASTV is ghostflower. A lot of people disliked the name Gwiles in the first place so everybody used the release of atsv to get the name ghostflower popular. It's rare I've seen a ship name successfully changed after the fact but it definitely worked here.
I'm usually dense as hell about romance irl and in fiction, but even I can tell that Gwen and Miles are being set up. Gwen telling Miles that in different universes they get together, but pulling away because it doesn't end well parallels her everything in this film: pulling away from both Miles, her dad, and all her other friends because she's scared it will end badly, but learning that it doesn't always have to with her dad quitting and finally talking to her
These two are definitely in love with each other. But I do agree with u, Gwen is more in love with him than he is with her. I do think despite their ages miles is more mature than gwen. I truly like that miles tells gwen they are same: Gwen plays the drums and miles draws her cause they can’t stop thinking about each other, both have parent drama, understand each other, are around the same age, both act awkward and cool to try impress when with each other, they tend to get jealous, both are emotionally attached with each other, deeply personally connected ( gwen sensing miles from another dimension) and are both in love with each other. U know what I truly love about gwen is that she is willing to offer platonic love over romance to keep miles safe throughout this movie. The reason is say that is because though Gwen loves that she is miles friend, a lot of scenes shows that Gwen wants it to be something more. Plus she said that miles is the only friend she made and calls him that throughout the whole movie. I think her referring miles as a friend is literally her way of saying to miles “ I have catch feelings for u, but can’t fall for u” because of the Gwen Stacy canon event. But at the end miles taught her their is a first time for everything and that it’s all possible to have a relationship with him. Plus I like the change of dynamic between them because at the start miles was looking up to Gwen and jumping through a portal. At the end it’s Gwen now looking up to miles and jumping through the portal. It’s like their leap of faith into a relationship
I like how some people still say that Gwen is a traitor or whatever but I really hope Gwen haters realize that Gwen loves Miles, and its 100% confirmed that Gwen and Miles will get together in BTSV
About the music part: in the song Self Love, the lyrics LITERALLY SAY "came to the city for the love, got her hurtin' now" and "self love, he don't love himself tryna love me" LIKE CMON MAN THEY WANT TO KISS SO BAD DID YOU SEE HOW SHE LOOKED AT HIM AT THE CLOCK TOWER??? Miles said to her "it's a first time for everything right?" AND SHE LOOKED AT HIM WITH THE EYES OF SOMEONE THINKING "God, I love you. Please keep talking." I am SOO passionate about this
Gwen's body language and pink background whenever she was with miles portrayed she had already fallen for him.She was just hiding her true feelings due to canon events. But when Miles said "first time for everything " ,the longing romantic stare at him she gave was enough to convince that her hope to be with him and possibly start a relationship was not fully shattered and for atleast one time believe for the best to happen.
I mean I am pretty sure that they are going to be an couple finally after all that build up at the end of beyond the spider verse. And I saw a clip of the directors commentary of the movie in twitter, even they said there is a some sort of connection or bond with Miles and Gwen through dimension. Yeah they are definitely soulmates. What do you guys think???
The only part I can’t agree with about is how can they be soulmates if they shouldn’t have ever met. Since multiverse travel isn’t supposed to happen but it did and that’s how the meet
@@adamboy0559 Because it was supposed to happen or it doesn't matter if it wasn't supposed to happen because it did anyways. There is still more lore, plot twists and details to be shown. The Web of Life and Destiny is way bigger and way more complicated than Miguel could ever understand.
@@flamesofchaos13 yes but people aren’t meant to travel across into different dimensions. And they only meet due to an accident involving multiverse travel that brought her to 1610. If everything went as it should they shouldn’t meet or even know of eachothers existence.
@@adamboy0559 That is a massive assumption. The most likely outcome is actually that they were meant to meet each other. The Web of Life and Destiny...That second word there is key to everything. They don't have free will they never had free will everything is scripted literally. "Nothing is reversible, I have different technicalities". "Eventually it always fits"...The sign said No Refunds, No Refusals. The deep lore of Spider-Man is that it's literally impossible for someone to be accidentally bitten. The Spiders know who to bite, why the person is being bitten, Their entire life to come. Further that if Miles was truly not meant to be he wouldn't have Spidey Sense or any of the powers of Spider-Man...He would've been killed as well long before he could ever act to threaten the system in play. If that isn't the case that Miles is actually Blessed not Cursed...They have far more to worry about than realities maybe crumbling as they're all guaranteed to die if the system is this broken now. Beyond should explain it at least in part. It most certainly will explain the Glitching being a completely new thing (that is unnatural), The canonicity of The Prowler and Supervillains within the Web (the ones actually cursed to suffer), The nature of Destiny and Fate, The existence of Anomalies, Miguel himself being an Anomaly, Miles Prowler being both the greatest Canon Break and a Canon Event at the same time, The absence of Evil Variants of Spider-Man and absence of the Variants of both Gwen and Miles within the Society.
in the scene where Gwen goes back to Miles for the first time in the movie, she says something like: you grew huh! had a little growth spurt. and if you look at her face you can notice right after she says it she starts cringing at herself
Alot of people forget about Gwen's plotline, which is a major reason why she had to lied to him in the first place. She had to follow the rules of the spider society, so doesn't have to go back to her dimension and be confronted by her dad.
Which ironically turned out to be what she needed to do to learn that canon events can be averted without destroying realities, that she's failing Miles in the same way her father failed her, That you can forgive and be forgiven even when the worst comes to pass...That there is hope. If she went home just a day earlier all of this could've been avoided. Or if she was 100% honest with Miles she would learn he's not like the other guys in her life he won't hate her or attack her...He would save the world or die trying or find some compromise with her but that is literally his choice she can't decide that for him it's not her place to. Gwen messed up though she knows she did and will try to fix it no matter what. Problem is Miles doesn't know how much she cares and is NOT in a good place be it setting or mind...It will be a literal war to redeem herself going through Miles's misconceptions/distrust/paranoia, Other Miles and Aaron and the Supervillains of 42. Then they'll still have to deal with the Society and Spot after that.
Is nobody gonna mention the fact the she leaned on his shoulder UPSIDE DOWN? When you're standing upright and lean on someone, you let gravity hold you close, when you're hanging from the ceiling, you're actively fighting gravity to do so. Leaning on Miles' shoulder took incredible effort, as she had to hang from a flat surface diagonally.
To say Gwen betrayed Miles is what we call balderdash. It is pure nonsense that she betrayed him. Here is a girl that is quite smitten with Miles. But, literally hanging out with Spider-Man will get your neck broke. So, she is risking everything by sticking her neck out for Miles. She's thinking she's on borrowed time by even being around him. How in the world is she supposed to explain that and everything else to an eternal optimist like Miles?
No she says it herself she did betray him she admits that twice in the intro and her speech to her father. It's why she can fix things...Because she realized she messed up. How do you tell that person? Using complete honesty and sincerity...Peter B literally almost did it until Miguel's hit squad came rushing in. If Peter B can do it...The one constantly making mistakes then Gwen the love of Miles life could do it if she just committed to it without question. But we know why she couldn't...Her trauma from her father made her lose faith in herself and love so she took reassurance in certainty and authority even if it was wrong even if she had her doubts she decided to side with them. Until she realized what they did was wrong called it out and was thrown away herself...Then she got the reunion with her father to realize nothing is certain and love matters most. Now she knows it's possible to have her cake and eat it too. Or at least try even if it kills her she'll die with the one she loves and probably kill for him too.
@@fzkarts2618 That's literally the same thing in a romantic relationship. She betrayed him...She knows she did. It's the only reason why she'll even be able to make it up. Because if she couldn't realize they betrayed him and gone after him this would only get much much worse. They're not above him they're not better than him they're just as lost as him but have figured out the one thing they need for certain is each other. When they're together they'll figure out a means to save everyone because they must.
@@Ms.Divine2024 All. As long as Miguel isn't Evil. Miles doesn't want to be their enemy this is directly stated in the official soundtrack. He's angry, scared, heartbroken...But he's not irrational and he doesn't consider them as evil. He fully understands why they're doing what they're doing...He just CAN NOT do it too. He can't just let his father die because of him. Yeah he actually agrees with Miguel that it's all his fault too. The soundtrack is truly heartbreaking. It tells us just how much he loves Gwen, How he perceives the Society and what he was thinking when alone on his world. He loves the Spider-Gang just as much as his parents and is mentally breaking without them in his life. That context and him still doing what he's doing...Heart wrenching.
I dont know how anyone could ever think they shouldn’t be together, THEY ARE LITERALLY EVERYTHING! It’s so obvious they love each other too. Hope you feel better soon btw!!
I'm surprised by the amount of people who fail to understand it because I thought the movie made it quite obvious that they both care and have feelings for each other i mean miles has his notebook full of gwen drawings and gwen is thinking about him while making songs and also has his picture that she is looking it at to feel better and get motivated and also despite the spider society not allowing her to visit miles she did that when she got her first opportunity and also she was panicked when debrie from that building fall into miles when he rescued inspector singh and how she defended him after he escaped and also in the chase how worried she looked and when she got hobie's homemade watch she went in his dimension to help him and then she assembled an entire team to find and rescue him and yes I've mentioned mainly what gives away Gwen's feelings because I think for Miles it's more obvious he has a notebook full of her drawing she tried to impress her in the first movie with the shoulder touch (funnily enough his first interaction with gwen caused him to become spiderman because: gwen laughs at his joke he tells about her to his uncle he shows him the shoulder touch because of that he sees his drawing and to cheer him up takes him to do graffiti where he gets bitten by that spider) and how he desperately wants to meet her again and yeah i think it's obvious note: this comment ended up being way too long
Oh yeah, I know that theory; Gwen is like a unique type of anomaly or basically the catalyst for what caused the original anomaly and her mere interaction with Miles is what set in stone the events that made him become Spiderman.
People taking her siding with the society and overexagerating her relationship with hobbie to push this narrative and it's just dumb , Literaly in her conversation with miles she tells him there relationship is different and that hobie literally is just a friend to her while she and miles have a much deeper relationship, the only people suggesting it's more then that are hobie himself and pav both unreliable narrators who are clearly just messing with miles pav especially , as for the society Gwen was clearly groomed into the society way of thinking edged on by her own situation in her own universe, her siding with Miguel isn't her not caring about him it's the opposite just like Peter she's trying to protect him it just backfire but that isn't proof of lack of care just misplaced direction gwen is a teenager and doesn't have all the answers or all the right decisions, people ate blinded by main character bias to see both sides .
If it makes you feel better your comment looks like a sentence compared to mine cause I went on a rant RANT 😂 but idk why the internet hates responses more than 3 lines long! Let people communicate their thoughts and have a healthy discussion! 👏🏽
I think it's because there's always an obligatory love story when guy/gal are involved and it's always so ham-fisted and made obvious. Here it feels more like an actual blossoming relationship so it tends to go past some people's radar. So, tldr good writing is hard to come by ,,as ppl are used to just being told information 😆
I’m also think she is more in love with him than he is in love with her. He got an obsession with her because she is confident, elegant, totally awesome, cool and gorgeous. He saw her but he didn’t really know her. Gewn, in other hand, loves him because she saw and she noticed him beyond that kid she met other day. She falls in love because she truly saw how tenacious, brave, capable, loyal he is. He was a kid but that kid become a real man and they really needed him most. When somebody thinks about someone else in every single moment, such as bad as good times, that person’s love is deep!! By the way, she told about him to everyone she relates to. Everybody knew “the anomaly” but she told to the close ones (Hobie and her mentor) who is Miles, not the anomaly. That’s why Spider Woman saw her inside his apartment, she listened what she said to his parents and tells nothing to Miguel. And Hobie, of course, love Miles since he met him because Hobie already knew him by Gwen’s perspective. I’m 42 yo and that kind of conversation they have I already had pretty much the same as a teenager. I noticed the looks, the touches, the nuances, the jealousy that came from her. And it’s awesome!! For exemple, when she met his parents, she touch his backs and the thumb cuddles him. Very subtle to see at first watch unless you already been through this situation. Man, that movie is great and she is, definitely, my favorite character since Into the Spiderverse. And I began to admire Miles because I started to see him through her eyes, just like Hobie Brown.
Gwen is textbook the person who loves someone to the moon and back, craves that closeness, intimacy, relationship and bond, but keeps a distance from that person because she's afraid that she will hurt him, the point where she will hide info and keep her distance from them. But when given the chance she is trying to get every little bit of contact with him, even if its just standing next to him or shoulder tap or a quick back pat. For people like Gwen they value the person and the time they have with them so much but they also have a giant fear that the good feelings are fleeting and highly temporary, so she distances herself to protect herself from getting too hurt, but also distancing so she might be able to minimize the hurt she might cause Miles. Is the assumption true? No. But this is something with of people with trauma do. They are overflowing with love, care and desire, but their fear of hurting their loved one is holding them hostage.
I couldn't agree more. There is one moment from Across the Spider-verse that is so subtle most would miss it but it's just before Miguel tries to trap Miles at the Spider Society and Miles says "you were right gwen, you should have never come to see me". The look on Gwen's face as he says that, it's like someone is ripping her heart out! Go back and watch her reactions during the entire "intervention" she feels really bad about it but her face notably changes when he says "you were right Gwen". Her mouth opens in shock, her eye brows go up and she starts to tear up when he says "you should have never come to see me". It so quick but so spot on. Not only does she know she hurt him but that all this means she will lose him.
Not only that... He's just repeating what she said back at Spider-India world when Miles followed her. She said that in anger...Maybe not truly meaning it. But Miles does fully mean it.
The fact that gwen knew every relationship the alternate gwens and spidermen had always ended badly was all i needed to know it wasn't a one sided relationship. Someone's been doing her research
Just watched the video and it’s amazing, 10/10. But I have one thing to say: At 4:45, if you look above Gwen and Miles’s photo and flip the image, you can see a small note saying “Happy Birthday Mom” with a heart. So this means 2 things. 1, Gwen knew her mom before her mom left/died, or maybe her mom is still alive. And 2, she cares about Miles so much that she put that photo right next to the last thing she has from her mom. Girl is down bad fr
I had not noticed that part about the box in the drum kit. 🤯 Talk about prized possession on overdrive when it comes to that spot!! Now that I know that detail, part of me thinks that even that could play a part in what Gwen says to Miles in BTSV.
Another thing in the beginning of the movie when Gwen is falling into the collider in Into the Spiderverse her lips pucker up like she saw miles and wanted to kiss him
The film across the spiderverse literally tells you that Gwen misses Miles LIKE IT SPENDS THE ENTIRE INTRO doing it and the plot kicks in because of Gwen wanting to see Miles so IT AINT ONE SIDED
Bro you would not believe the number of damn near essays I've written since this movie dropped about Miles and Gwen or having to defend Gwen because people weren't paying attention to her story or the position she was in, or her actual character at all. You're doing good work and saving me the trouble, i appreciate you!
1:56 this is something I always thought but I never saw anyone else bring it up, how miles was able to draw gwen in perfect detail yet couldn't really draw the others like peter and peni with as much detail, I'm thinking it's got to be because miles and gwen are connected to each other across universes
8:56 - When Ben got dragged into that portal, we hear the music get intense followed by the way Gwen moves so off and crushes the watch to pieces. That's not particularly heroic if I'm being honest. Granted, she is saving Miles but I think she's coming at this with anger. Remember, she had long got indoctrinated that Canon Events were real. However the problem with Canon Events, even though this has been disproven, is that it is just an easy way for any Peter Parker or Spider-Man to shift blame on. Spider-Men should never blame others for their own screw-ups. It's why the Spider Society were so readily to accept Miguel's ideals. But it's also why Miguel continues to blame others for Miles's escape. Like everyone has said, Gwen is not perfect. While protecting Miles and his family is good but her approach shows she is filled with rage, directed at the Spider Society for what she sees as them ruining her life and ruining her relationship with Miles. However, it's only when she sees Miles's parents discussing about her and Miles is when she stops and think. Sure, the Spider Society was wrong for how they treated him but it's ultimately Gwen's fault for dragging him into this and didn't give him the support he needed. That's why Gwen faces Miles's parents since she no longer wants to blame others for her own screw ups. She knows that doing so might cost her any chance to be with Miles but it's the right thing to do.
I’m not sure if everyone caught this in the movie with the coloring, but I think it’s worth mentioning in one of your videos about this movie. When Gwen is stopped by her dad at the end of the movie the next scene shows Gwen’s spider costume with a black shading over it with red outlining the costumes eyes. I thought this represented Gwen thinking like Miles to fix her situation when she turns back to her dad.
I like the final scene where she's confident and looking happy for the first time since the intro scenes of the past at the dinner table with Peter and George...While phasing in and out of Red n Blue (Spider-Man aka herself) and Green n Purple (The Prowler aka Miles).
@@miles4291 They're the Prowler's classic colors...Which he was meant to become the Prowler and the other Miles is the Prowler. The logical conclusion is Miles Spidey can't be Spider-Man because he won't follow the canon of it and can't if he wants his parents and Gwen to live then he'll become the Prowler or a Hybrid where he will use the classic colors to differ from Miles 42. It's his canon event to become the Prowler and save/love Gwen...It's been hinted at since the start. He truly is different from them the part they didn't get is that's a great thing.
@@swoopsack3368it's true bro what itsv you see when Miles meets his Peter and the spider sense goes off at first it's purple and green before it switches to blue and red showing he would've been the prowler had he not been bit
@@solomonrohner1217 He will...It would literally be character assassination if he didn't. Miles has forgiven way way worse. Granted he's got an entire personal arc to go through a very dark one. The question isn't really if...But when and how.
Worst Outcome: They die together or are given character assassination...It would literally be the most out of character move to have Miles not forgive her. As a Miles is my favorite Spider I would be F**king pissed! His entire character is about forgiveness and undying hope. He's forgiven people that have tried to murder him multiple times. Best Outcomes: Earth 8 or Inverse Earth 8. Bittersweet Outcome: Anything that has them deeply in love but separates them.
Fax! They love each other. Gwen and Miles have to get together for the completely satisfying ending. This is their story. There’s so many other minor factors that also help the case as to why they should get together. I can’t wait to see their relationship become official in BTSV. Their relationship teaches so many lessons and goes through all the emotions that a real relationship would have.
Great video as always!! Glad someone saw how much Gwen likes Miles, it's just not as in your face as Miles is about Gwen. And thanks for the shout out! Always looking forward to seeing more from you
I know right! Earth 8 by the way. But they're probably not Earth 8 comic vs animation...Maybe Earth 8B or maybe Earth 1675. The main difference has got to be he does take on the mantle of the Prowler and they name their daughter after Rio and Helen! At least Rio she's the Best Mom in the Multiverse her name must cross generations! If she's named after Rio then everything really will be better down the line as Blonde Peter and Lizard Peter predicted.
@@flamesofchaos13 what I love about this new generation of superheroes is that they all have their own families and communities, The stories are new, and the fans know all about them! Like I honestly didn't know who Rio or Helen were for a second, but then I remembered who Rio was and then extrapolated that Helen must be Gwen's mother.
This is so true, I can literally sense their love for each other in the second movie! Can't wait to watch this video! I love Gwen and Miles! (Maybe Gwen a little too much) love all your Ghostflower content! Also I just wanted to say again, thank you for the tips, and what is your favourite variation of Gwen as is which universe version og Gwen is your favourite (wow I worded that terribly) mine is Earth 65 Gwen of course. Anyway thanks for the tips and motivation, love your videos cant wait for this one and have an amazing spiderverse filled day! (Also if they don't get together in beyond I will book a flight to America, go to the Sony entertainment offices and personally punch the executives and writers in the face, and I'll burn down the entire building, then I'll right a fan fic of my own lol)
No problem, I’m glad the tips helped! I’d say Earth-65 Gwen is my favorite too. Her stories about loving herself and being a hero for others rather than herself is really good. Also she can be a goofball which I like lol… but yeah I’ll meet you at the airport and we can punch the Sony execs together and write the fan fic!! They BETTER get together 😤😤
@@serpentsirYeah Earth-65 Gwen can be a goof ball sometimes, and I love how cute she is with Miles, I could literately smell the love between the 2 during the 2nd film (Also I'm really mad at those Sony execs for removing her dialogue during the bridge scene) anyways I just finished watching your video (it releases early at like 12 am for me and I got school so I can only watch it later in the day) and If you need it/ want it I would love to help out in your fan film (I have like 5 hours of Adobe animated experience so if I could help with at least 5 frames if you get it animated of course that would be amazing), also, I'd just like to say again, thank you for the tips and motivation (also I know I'm a WAAAAYY smaller channel than you but when my vid releases I will definitely give you my thanks)anyway this comment is getting too long have a good day!
@@Naya-hy7kk Really. Reading that, Gwen truly wants to be with miles and doesn’t want to be separated ever again. I think this film shows that with the way Gwen is happy when she is around him. And how she can’t stop thinking nor talking about him for a year which highlights that she has deep feelings for him.
I REALLY LIKE TO SEE THEM END UP TOGETHER ITS STUPID THAT THEY DONT, AND I SWEAR IF SONY STARTS LISTENING TO THE PEOPLE SHIPPING MILES AND SPIDERBYTE AND MAKE IT A REALITY I WILL CRY. THIS VIDEO WAS ALL I NEEDED TO SOLIDIFY GWEN AND MILES. MORE PEOPLE SHOULD WATCH THIS
i wrote or attempted to write what i think you were saying last video like the ending of BTSV ok so here it is Gwen and miles: ok let's do this one last time (Gwen and miles backflip of of a building) Miles: my name is miles morales Gwen: my name is Gwen Stacy (2 comic frames one for miles one for Gwen) Miles: and for the last month Gwen: we have been the one and only spider-people (Swinging around) Gwen and miles: I think you know the rest (Running on the ITSV crane) Gwen and miles: we saved a bunch of people (3 comic frames side by side far left Gwen saving someone for right miles saving somone middle then doing a fist bump like in ITSV) Miles: I reviled my identity to my parents (Miles looks hesitant Gwen hold his hand miles take a deep breath and shows them they are happy for him) Gwen: I introduced him to my dad (Miles shakes Gwens dad's hand) Miles: we celebrated my 16th birthday (Party like in ATSV miles blows out candles) Miles: I tried the drums (Of beat drums) Gwen: and failed (Miles getting frustrated Gwen laughing) Miles: and I taught Gwen how to spray paint (Spray-paints web warriors together ATSV style sits on the bench Gwen leaning on miles chest his arms resting on the backrest of the bench he takes a photo of the artwork) Miles: and whenever I feel alone I know that I have who I need right beside me (Back shot upside down on the clock tower they hold hands Gwen has her head on miles shoulder cut to front wired headphones one plug for Gwen one for miles Gwen eyes closed miles looks at Gwen and smiles) Monologue:..... But at the end of the day im Spiderman and.. im not the only one (jumps of building with Gwen. Miles arm slightly behind Gwen's back land on the bed ITSV style miles presses play on his phone and plays 'sunflower') END anyways hope you enjoyed
If I can see of them narrating their story especially with miles meeting Gwen’s dad, teaching each other their own skills and maybe having a post credit/short film about their first date or something else. IM HAPPY.
@@serpentsir let's be real, everyone sh*ts their pants if they have Miles and Gwen just casually coming out of a portal in Gwens living room in normal clothes to just have her introduce Miles to her dad like it's "normal to do" 🤣🤣
To Gwen telling Miles would mean getting kicked out of the spider society which meant getting sent to her own dimension where her dad pointed his gun at her and tried to arrest her. She was stuck between a rock and a hard place.
I didn't thunk this needed to be discussed given the many examples the movie gave. Her being embarassed in her first reuinion with him. Her clearly reminiscing about him in the beginning of the movie. Her getting flustered when indian spiderman said miles liked her. And the spider byte scene
Never doubted that their love was double sided but I love your videos so much I had to watch it. And lemme tell you it did put a big fat smile on my face 👍
I don’t see how people can label it as one-sided despite the subtle details both characters are given - Miles drawing pages upon pages of Gwen because of how much he missed her, Gwen only having Miles on her mind ever since going back to her dimension since he was the only true friend she had left - How nervous and defensive they get when Pavitr calls them out as love interests, Miles constantly questioning Gwen’s relationship with Hobie and Gwen getting jealous of Miles talking to Margo/Spider-Byte It’s so obvious that the two care about each other, how is it one-sided??
I really hope they do get together at the end of Beyond. I keep on worrying that at the Miles would become Prowler and it wouldn’t have a happy ending I mean that’s just wrong. So wrong for some people to think that, I actually social media for putting that in my head. But even so, it’s very likely that they will get together
Miles should become The Prowler and STILL get with her. The Prowler isn't Evil...The OG is Morally Good (He's on their side), Spider-Verse Aaron was Dark Grey (yes he was a criminal but he was a loving uncle foremost...Also when he didn't know he was Miles he was asking the kid to just hand over the drive and walk away. He didn't want to be a monster it's exactly like Miles said he didn't think he had a choice if you know Kingpin lore he DIDN'T), Insomniac Aaron is Light Grey (bad guy with good intentions converted into a good guy because of Miles), His Twin is going to be Pure Grey or Morally Good. The only one that was Pure Evil was Ultimate Comics Aaron. Gwen loves Miles...What does it matter what mask he wears? He'd be another Morally Good Prowler with a little extra bite.
Man I can’t wait for spider man beyond the spider verse man it so painful and sad in across the spider verse when Gwen broke his heart Miles they need to get together. They are soulmates together ❤️❤️
You should make a video about how a relationship between Gwen and Miles could work after Beyond The Spider-Verse. With them living in two separate universes and all.
@@serpentsir E X A C T L Y !! Pete and Cindy cause eventho they didn't like each other they didn't have the choice they were attracted to each other due to the fact that they were both bitten by the same Spider-Man and I kinda thought of that when I saw the movie like..(how can Gwen sense Miles so well if they weren't at least bitten by the same Spider ??and they seem to get along very and well in a few hours at Spider-Man itsv like you said Miles doesn't share the same connection w his parents I thought that maybe they were bitten by the same spider and also her spider sense made her go to Miles's school.... coincidence I don't think soo 🤔....) I didn't know you'd notice my comment I'm flattered 😅
I love this. You’re really cool. Love is never cut and dry. Sometimes we hurt the ones we love. She never wanted to hurt him and made that very clear. Either way, they truly are connected spirits ❤.
I knew it from the start. I call it “Main Character Syndrome” basically how it works, is if the main character has a crush on somebody, they almost *always* end up getting together.
@serpentsir, you know you have accomplished something awesome when your video generates this much interest before it even drops!!! I wish they had the salute emoji on YT
She had the photo unless there was more than one copy. But we never saw more than one. It makes much more thematic sense if he's doing it from memory. It shows how much he cares about her in turn and that his mind really does collect a lot of info. He's a super genius the entire chase scene at the Spider-Society was a planned out move made in a few seconds...Otherwise he would've gone invisible.
First of all, hope you take the time to chill and catch up on your health, both mental and physical. You’re videos are all awesome, and I want you to feel the best about your life and making videos. Secondly, DESERT-FLOWER NEEDS TO HAPPEN! Some relationships in movies aren’t done well, and those who are incompatible usually get together just because, but this is one of the few relationships that I believe need to happen. Miles would sideline his passion for art and learn to cross dimensional thresholds just to see her again, and at the end of the movie, Gwen would go to fucking war for Miles. Another thing I want to mention is the use of Mona Lisa in the scene where Gwen and Miles are swinging through Brooklyn. Not only is it a great love song, but the song itself is simply perfect for both of them and how their relationship makes me feel; fresh, alive, and authentic. If they don’t get together then I’m going to be very disappointed to say the least
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I swear that if they don't end this being together as a couple I'll burn down the cinema. It's a promise.
Agreed.
@@philliprowe5895 Thanks, man. I'm glad that I'm not the only one who is desperately waiting a happy end to these two.
@@batman-vulgobrucewayne3163😅 don’t worry man I don’t think you have to. I think by now it’s pretty sure Miles and Gwen will have a happy ending together as couple at the end of BTSV.❤
i'm in too
Same
One thing's for sure: Miles and Gwen are definitely gonna have an intense conversation in the third movie lol
Really looking forward to that!
Understatement
Which Miles?
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@@sapphiredragon7234 I know lol. It was a joke. But actually she's probably going to have intense convos with both just for different reasons.
I was exactly like Pav when watching this movie...
"This romantic tension is so palpable"
"Will they? Won't they?"
"How can you guys even concentrate!"
Hobie ships them too, but it’s lowkey.
He called Gwen ‘Gwendy’
And Miles ‘Peter Pan’
It’s clever cause Wendy and Peter Pan were literally from different worlds, i don’t know who else caught that though
@@isoldmytoenailonebay I can't believe I've never noticed that. Very impressive😜
@@isoldmytoenailonebayWait when does he call Miles Peter Pan? He’s one of the few people there not named Peter lol.
@@Anonyomus_commenter when Miles gets trapped in the pod and Hobie tells him to use his palms again
@@Anonyomus_commenterHobie: Little Man Peter Pan palms
as a teen girl myself, i think it’s pretty obvious she’s obsessed with him.
As an objective observer with no skin in the game I say: you're right
She’s definitely obsessed with him. They relationship is not one sided at all 😂
I mean to be honest they both seemed like they had no one and had comfort in each other so yes.
@@aliahgraham637 yup
@@Abner-gu3ve Miles is also obsessed with her just like Gwen is obsessed with him, so as Miles said they are the same in many ways
I just can't get over the face Gwen makes when Miles glitches for the first time in Nueva York. If that face doesn't tell you how much she cares about him, I don't know what will.
I can't get over the (CUT IN THE DIGITAL VERSION :( dialogue in mumbattan where gwen is running to find miles in the rubble, frantically saying “No no no no miles, please, please no! Miles? Miles please…” (something like that)
@@gjk-arts5855 I wonder why they did that...
@@gjk-arts5855 By the way she's still saying everything...It's just lowered or muted. That was a bad "fix" to do. That scene alone proves she wasn't lying when she said she wants to both save him and preserve the canon. That despite her hostility to Miles being there she is fundamentally in love with him.
But the fix to make Miles NOT say to the man that wants to murder his father and considers him a cosmic mistake...Sorry man I'm going home. That one makes sense Miles should in no way be doubting himself there or respecting Miguel in the slightest. That was a legit fix. Same with making Miles Prowler more scarred.
Everything else has no story importance so I can take or leave em.
@@flamesofchaos13 yeah the digital sucks
@@flamesofchaos13 yeah the digital sucks
YES.YES.YES. I’ve seen so many people say stuff like “Gwen doesn’t care about Miles” and “Miles cares about Gwen more than Gwen cares about him” which is completely wrong. If anything, Gwen cares more about Miles as she literally thought about him and looked at that one photo of him for over a year, and went to see him even when she was told not to. On the other hand, Miles occasionally drew her and mentioned her a few times. I’m sure if Miles knew about how Gwen obsessed over him for a year he’d literally faint. Also Gwen was so flustered and relieved when she saw Miles’s drawings of her because it showed her that Miles thought of her (almost) just as often as Gwen thought of him. Lmao I can’t wait for the people who say Gwen is a traitor to start switching up on her when BTSV comes out it’s gonna be so fun to watch.
You've got it all right! Gwen was definitely obsessed with Miles, and she put that photo of them together in the same place she kept her suit so she would see it everyday. It'll definitely be fun to watch all the people switch up on her when BTSV comes out lol
I think it's inherently wrong and unfair to say either love each other more or less than the other. Miles occasionally drawing her? He draws her everywhere...Literally everywhere. He clearly thought about her a lot...Alongside his guilt for Aaron's death. The only reason he mentions "Gwanda" last is because his first thought isn't friendship but crush/attraction...But even mentioning her over the others is important as she and Peter matter the most to him.
But that did end the second she admitted to believing he's a cosmic mistake with no excuse or justification and siding against him to cause his father's death...That would be the point he seemingly no longer cares. While from Gwen's position after realizing how they were wrong about literally everything her love for him is reinforced.
They've switched places from the beginning (ITSV) when Miles was into her but she wasn't then they were both into each other but couldn't/wouldn't work together (most of the film) to she's into him more than ever before but he's well...I'm not gonna assume he hates her because he never stated that (the end of the film).
If anything I assume Miles is just in shock and disappointed and questioning if there was anything ever real there from either party. That he's wondering if he ever really truly knew her and if she ever truly knew him. He just broke off the relationship and booked it out...He doesn't want to harm her in any measure even when they're actively invalidating and attacking him. His resort is just to say goodbye...Probably because he doesn't believe he'll ever see her again because we know from the Earth 42 swinging scene he's actually wondering if they're right that if he saves his father they'll just die.
@@flamesofchaos13 Yeah Miles drew Gwen everywhere but he also drew many other spider people. Miles definitely thought about Gwen a lot but c’mon, Miles has tons of people around him, Gwen only has her dad and Miles. The reason Gwen obsessed over him so much is because he’s the only person who befriended her when she thought she didn’t want any friends. When Gwen and the other spider people left Miles’s dimension, Miles wasn’t really that sad about it. He wanted to learn quantum physics and attend a school in New Jersey so he could see them again but he never really felt depressed or alone without them. On the other hand, Gwen thought of Miles pretty much every day. She kept that one photo of him and cherished it every day. It’s not like Miles was obsessing and thinking about Gwen every single day hoping to see her again, but Gwen definitely did think about Miles every day, as we see in her backstory. The reason Gwen is so desperate to redeem herself is because she has nobody. Miles can eventually forget about Gwen. Gwen has more to lose than Miles. As I said before, Miles has many people around him. Gwen however has nobody except her dad, Hobie, maybe Pavitr or Peter B, and Miles who is mad at her right now. If Gwen loses Miles she’ll most likely be depressed and feel alone like how she did when the movie started. And Gwen also realized her mistakes and wants to make up for it because it’s the right thing to do.
(This might change when the short film comes out)
In the beginning, Gwen kinda liked Miles and Miles had a crush on Gwen. In the end they decided to just stay friends. As you said, they switched places. Gwen has a massive crush on Miles and thinks about him all the time, Miles has a small crush on Gwen and wanted to learn quantum physics so he could see her and the other spider people again. I definitely think Gwen will redeem herself in BTSV and they could potentially (definitely) get together.
@@indigospider_ There's a difference between having people around you and having people that get you. You're forgetting that his single friend Ganke is barely supportive (really isn't), He draws Gwen a lot more than the others and never mentions them besides Peter, He's getting into fights/arguments with his parents literally taking a "Whatever" approach to everything, He dropped his favorite hobbie and study of art to fully study physics to unlock that dimensional travel...He ain't doing that for Ham or Noir and it's another point of contention because he's dropping in his grades in all his classes including the vitally important Spanish that he knows would piss his mother off.
There is more than enough evidence to showcase yes he very much cares. They both care that's kinda the point...They both love each other but they both hurt one another because their love didn't equal understanding. She didn't realize his father isn't an option or choice...If he must die trying he'll die trying. She also didn't realize he could be reasoned with if honest because Peter B almost did it.
He didn't realize what her reservation is about because he doesn't know that she accidentally killed Lizard Peter the only other friend she ever had, He doesn't know that the argument with her father wasn't just an argument but him trying to arrest her (*correction he knows about him trying to arrest her but not that she revealed her identity), He doesn't know that she thought about him for a year and 4 months (too), He doesn't know for a fact she's not with Hobie, He doesn't know that what Gwen meant by fall for Spider-Man she means Gwen always dies.
He is clueless to the most important details to explain Gwen's actions. He's not a mind reader he can't just realize magically why she's able to think and operate the way she does.
He wouldn't forget about her...He can't and doesn't. It's been a year and four months if he could've done that he would've done that by now. The truth is that he doesn't actually have that much better of a life...His Spider-Man life has been a string of failures and mistakes. He does have his parents which is the sole part where he's blessed compared to the other...Problem is he takes them for granted and pushes them away (which is definitely part of the reason he can't let them die because he can't leave it at that). He's haunted by the death of Uncle Aaron just as much as Peter's Ben and Gwen's Peter haunt them with the added facet of having good and terrible memories from it because he was both a supportive family member and villain...He just buried it deeper but it's 100% there.
You saying he doesn't love her as much is just wild to me. I don't understand how...He's the one that literally noted when she was depressed that they're the same in all the ways that matter and there's a first time for everything. He's the one holding back tears when he says goodbye Gwen...If he didn't love her he wouldn't address her he wouldn't feel so deeply betrayed. After she invalidated his very existence and demanded his father must die...He still shows he cares in some measure which if that's not deep love I don't know what is. Because most people hearing that they'd despise her...As you see from negative reactions a lot of people do.
But Miles isn't one of them. He loves her...That's the exact problem. He doesn't know how to synthesize that with everything else. He really can't because he doesn't have all the facts...That indicates yeah her love and pain is deep too.
Miles is destined to lose his father, his mother and Gwen herself. So yeah I don't think it's right to say she has more to lose/lost more. Right now they're even depending on if Blonde Peter and her mother Helen count (they should). With destiny trying to claim the rest of both of their families and Gwen. If it happens then Miles loses more long term...Which Gwen's would actually be the one that fundamentally breaks him. We know from other realities he can endure Rio's and Jeff's loss though he does darken. But Gwen's...Nah that one's would be really really bad. Because there's no question he'd react like Andrew "I stopped holding back" = Mass Murder. If anything turns him into a Villain it'd be Gwen's death.
@@flamesofchaos13 I said Gwen cares more about Miles than Miles cares about Gwen, because saying that’s the case RIGHT NOW. If in BTSV Gwen redeems herself, I’m sure Miles will love her more. Miles still loves her right now, but yeah as you said he just feels really betrayed. They both love each other equally but at this point in time, Miles feels betrayed and can’t trust Gwen until she redeems herself and Miles finds out her actual story. Then I’m sure they will trust each other again but right now, Gwen cares more.
I think about one comment I've read a few hours ago:
Miles has a huge crush on Gwen.
And Gwen falls in love slower than him, but her love is still very strong due to that.
Think Gwens way of love is a little more mature than Miles', but it's still as much as his love.
Also: You can see that they are clearly "synchronized" during their swinging through 1610-Brooklyn. You can see the art style of Miles' city, but it is blurred with Gwens colors, too. The backgrounds are a little 'pinker' as long as she is on 1610.
I'm not sure that Gwen's way of love is more "mature", but it is certainly more direct, and also distant at the same time.
Gwen isn't as emotionally intelligent as Miles since she's been holding her feeling back for so long from everyone in her universe. She hasn't explored what it's like to fall hard for someone and Miles happens to be the guy that breaks through her armor, by literally doing nothing special other than be himself!!
Given her inexperience in exploring emotional expression, she is kinda making up her own playbook as she goes, and for the most part it works.
In reality, Miles does exude that high level of maturity "beyond his years" by never trying to push Gwen into anything she doesn't want. That's maturity and high emotional control for a 15 boy who's crushing hard!!
I’m going to have to pay attention to their swinging date scene now cause I never caught that!
To sum it up:
He fel first, she fell harder (the superior trope imo)
@@jparry3 Mate's doing better than me in my late 20s.
Another thing during the up side down kiss homage scene the two holes at the background hints at their world being collided with each other. Another thing in the directors commentary when Gwen leaves and before Miles decides to follow her the directors said Miles was thinking to stay home or follow his destiny. They literally called Gwen his destiny
Gwiles is a Canon Event. Miles ending up on 42 is a Canon Event. Miguel told him there's Good ones and Very Bad ones.
@@flamesofchaos13he also said worlds can be destroyed by breaking them yet there's tons of examples on how that's not true so I don't believe that
@@flamesofchaos13Gwen herself seen proof that Canon events are not real and a hoax
@@elishawilson5342 Something has to be wiping out realities. That something has to be connected to Spiders and their Enemies/Variants. Canon Events can't be completely BS narratively...The result of breaking them leading to destruction can be. But the Events themselves should 100% be a thing...Because they're the 280+ Spiders of the Society have been experiencing them and they don't question the narrative of it.
Also you're taking what I said at face value and overly serious. By using the term canon event I just mean something that is meant to be. The Web of Life and Destiny is 100% real it's shown to you in ITSV twice. It's a thing...It doesn't work exactly like the Society thinks it does though.
@@flamesofchaos13 that something can obviously be an incursion or a collider as we've seen the damage it can do it can destroy universes or even cause black holes like what the spot did in mumbattan when he used it
Everything about these two is a joy to watch. I notice that during their "date" swinging throughout Brooklyn, Gwen constantly keeps looking back at Miles. It is like she doesn't want to lose sight of him, or better, needs confirmation that he's there.
The way they light up one another's worlds. They feel so alive together. How could you not see how strong their love for one another is. They have so much standing in their way , and yet, they're still trying to make it work.
They won't end up together, though. They foreshadowed it in Across The SPiderverse
@suzygirl1843 there's no evidence to support that.
@@suzygirl1843 So you mean the first time for everything line by miles to Gwen on the clocktower was just a throwaway line. That alone already foreshadows the ending state
@@sapphiredragon7234 Gwen says in every universe, Gwen Stacy falls for Spiderman. She is foreshadowing her death. I predict that in order to save Miles dad, Gwen will die.
@@favourinyang14Stop whining. They laid it out there for you. Pay attention
Best of all, Gwen KNOWS he loves her. The best scene is when she convinces him to un-ground himself. The face she makes and the face he makes are priceless. 💪🏾❤️🔥
The heavy eye contact is crazy it's like they see each other's souls
Just wanted to add something. When Gwen is looking off in the city before she enters the portal, I think she’s actually looking at the big illuminated rooftop in the distance-the Morales party. So in a way, she is talking directly to Miles.
Personally even although she said she wouldn’t go see him again I feel like she’d have definitely eventually just went back. She wouldn’t have been able to stop herself her first chance to go to his dimension over a year later she instantly goes straight to him in his own room
@@adamboy0559 The watches are monitored by Miguel every step of the way. She was only allowed there once for the mission she was on. She would never be allowed back. The only way she would've ever seen him again is to reject the Society and get Hobie to build her a watch. Miguel would find out and then target them both...Different path same conclusion the Society is their enemy, The Spot will seek to end them all no matter what as well especially her as he promised everything Miles loves which includes Gwen. Then if she took too long and Miles parents are already dead and he finds out she knew and didn't warn him...He'd never forgive her. Only reason she still has a chance is they're not dead yet.
@@flamesofchaos13 yeah he knows where she goes but he was unaware she was sent to 1610 yet. Shows he isn’t always watching where people go. She’d have at some point went back no matter what. Even if it was with a new watch hobie made or the one Miguel gave her she’d have went back. The society may have gave her a greater purpose but she didn’t enjoy it. You can see her entire mood change as soon as she’s with Miles and though she knows he ain’t meant to be on nueva York she’s happy he’s there. She finally has her best friend with her again.
@@adamboy0559 He's always watching...Or shall we say it's always recording. They literally monitor them he saw the entire date from Gwen entering Miles room to the party at the Morales's...He was watching the recording of Gwiles before he switched to the recording of "his" daughter. He also had recordings of the entire events of Into the Spider-Verse...Someone was already working with Miguel back then probably Peter B.
He sees everything, He knows everything they do. He's a patient man willing to wait for when he punishes you. He was angry at both of them...He didn't kick out Gwen for one offense he kicked her out for multiple in a row.
Yeah because Gwen was conflicted between them the entire time. She believes in the canon and believes Miles is too reckless/naive, But she's also fundamentally in love with Miles which makes her reckless/naive.
"People get stupid when they care for someone" - Insomniac Uncle Aaron
The Irony is if Gwen had just done her mission to prevent the Spot then go see Miles afterwards...None of this would've happened. Miles dad would live, Miguel would be proven wrong, Miles would never dimension hop making him a target of Miguel and his cult. Miguel was at least for the time being letting Miles chill on 1610-B (though given he believes he's an anomaly everywhere and the source of the problem for the entire Multiverse's problem he would eventually get tired of it and teleport to Miles world to kill him as he gets more and more unhinged looking for a permanent solution).
@@flamesofchaos13 yeah that’s recorded he doesn’t see everything at all times live. So she’d have time to go and find a solution to hide it before he gets around to seeing what she was up to. Likely the only reason he even was watching was after he found out Gwen went and that spot escaped. Otherwise if spot was dealt with he’d have no reason to check the recordings. He only checks to see what went wrong knowing spot escaped and is still put there. Peter B likely filled him in on the first movie after he reached out to him originally. We know Miguel has known Peter B for a long time now and likely was one of his first recruits. He likely described what was happening due to a universes collider breaking the multiverse and Peter since he was there and experienced it all filled him in on exactly what went down and more importantly the others that included Gwen and that she seemed to show affection to miles and this is why Miguel is reluctant to invite her to the society originally. She’d have definitely went against Miguel to go see him even if it got her sent home she would atleast be able to tell him the truth about what he is and he’d still trust her for this
Idk how people can watch ATSV and come away from it thinking Gwen doesn't love Miles with the same yearning and affection he feels for her. Like. C'mon. They miss each other so much, they bond about so many things, they can talk emotionally and maturely and she has so much guilt about what happened to him because of the rest of Spider-Society and her role in it. Like. They've been building this up so well. I love it.
I was under the impression she was much older than him which made me uncomfortable 😭 but she's like 2 yrs older so it's ok now! 😂
@@austincde 15 months older to be specific,so just a little over a year older.
@@austincdewell Einstein said time was relative right
@@austincde Comics she was 18 he was 16 a month from 17...They kissed. Films she's 16 and he's 15 they've done nothing but yearn and lean on. Nothing wrong has ever happened. They've always been in that 2 year gap which is nothing. There are 60 to 70 year olds with 20 to 30 year olds in real life.
It's nothing...Worst comes to worst Miles has to wait 2 years to take it to the next level. He's already waited a year and a half just to see her again.
By the way Comics Miles is currently 18 and dating Vulture's granddaughter Tiana/Starling.
Insomniac Miles is 17.
Spoilers for Insomniac Spider-Man 2...
Who's the most powerful variant literally winning a fight against Symbiote Suit Peter trying to kill him. Insomniac's Symbiote Suit Peter being the most powerful version ever seen too. It's insane...THAT'S how powerful Miles can become.
He's dating a deaf girl named Hailey. Cindy Moon aka Silk is going to become his step sister.
Favorite lines:
Miles - So do I get to tell everyone Mysterio's a good guy now?
Beck - Mysterio will always be a villain just as Spider-Man will always be a hero...The problem is when you look under the masks the people are messy.
Mary Jane: Leave him alone he's a good man.
Kraven: There are no Good Men.
Aaron: You'd make a decent Prowler Miles.
It's because she hurt him due to Miguel's influence, completely forgetting that a friendless teenager who has been basically abandoned by her only family would be susceptible to surface level virtuous dogmas told to her by the people who basically saved her while she was at her lowest point.
Gwen and Miles are my favorite ship of all time. It is so clear how much they are completely in love with each other and I swear they better get together in Beyond The Spider-Verse! I love all the GhostFlower content there is out there and yours is the best!
Peter and Gwen>>>
Gwen misunderstood the whole situation when she had to leave Miles at the party, thinking there was no chance he'd follow her......riiiiight!! Then she ended up having to look jealousy in face when Miles was chatting to Spider Byte. Like, the anger on her face was excellent 🤣
Also, can we talk about how Miles needs to meet Gwens dad by the end of BTSV? Like c'mon man, that would be the most wholesome ending!
She is head over heels in love with that boy.. anyone who says otherwise is literally on heavy drugs. Also them getting together is a must otherwise all the build up between them would’ve been a complete waste of time and pointless.
"Heavy on drugs". Bro😂😂. Nah,but seriously it's obvious. People who say they don't see it are either coping hard or are peter x gwen diehards who moan that miles is stealing peters girl.
@@favourinyang14 Or racist. Or hardcore shippers of another Miles x whatever. Or projecting hard on what love must mean.
@@flamesofchaos13 or all of the above🤷
Bruh she was hitting the drums in the beginning to try and stop thinking about him, she kept seeing his reflections everywhere, she even kept the photo of her and him together with her and she went to see him even when she was told not to........ How can they say she doesn't care about him?
I can't wait for Beyond to shut them all up the same way The Dark Knight shut up anyone sceptical of Heath Ledger's casting as the Joker!
It’s actually crazy how much obsessed they are with each other but also have their own story it’s so cool watching they both express their love for each other in different ways I’m praying they have a good ending in any way I’ll be happy!!
Low key I really hope there’s a heartwarming moment between miles and Gwen similar to how zuko hugged iroh where all of the emotions just start swelling in.
“Gwen Down Bad Stacy” is crazy bro😭
Nah but it's true too
@@theblackmoonrisingit is true I’m not gonna lie
Gwen & Miles will pull through. I also realized how cool Hobie was when you think back to the Gwen and Miles scene sitting down and catching up and she says that she’s been staying with Hobie and she says thats different. Hits you right in the stomach think the worse. Then you think back to the beginning 20 minutes of set up that Gwen only wanted to see Miles especially after Peter died. Once she got the watch it was probably the first thing that she thought about, then they told her about Miles. Hobie heard about Miles anomaly as well, important for the information below. Hobie was there as a big brother, who is over aged, listening to Gwen, underaged, talk about Miles constantly. Gwen also wanted to avoid the conversation about her dad and how she can’t go back, she’s homeless and her father believes she’s a murderer and is ashamed to tell the one person she holds so close, Miles. She probably would’ve before but is confused and in pain that she can’t tell Miles about his situation. Hobie also left a watch for Gwen, Hobie said f 1:03 off and left way before they took Gwen’s watch. He knew that she was going do anything possible to save the person she loves. Beautiful writing. Creates doubt about a possible romance with Hobie but then you think taking all points into consideration: age wise (no we don’t want to think Hobie a pedo), circumstances of the beginning of the movie, I also don’t want to think Hobie took advantage of someone in such a mental state it would put down as scum, also Hobie pink. My theory for Hobie turning pink with Miles is that Hobie is Miles fanboy, I know I know but continue for the following reasons 1: he heard all about Miles from Gwen 2.Miles is the original anomaly, the first fuck you to the fabric of reality. 3 they tell us how much of anarchist Hobie is, he probably knew shit was going to go down because Miles was going to rebel. He made a watch left it for Gwen, and is on the Miles Recovery Team. He probably has Miles way up there on f the world I’ll follow him and cause chaos not for the sake of chaos but for the sake of giving a middle finger to the universe on cannon events. If I were the writers I would make Hobie’s cannon event a flashback really tragic that would put him in the I can’t accept that cannon events are real but knew he couldn’t do anything about it until he heard about Miles. It shows that he’s been planning everything for his sake and for the sake of helping Miles and Gwen break the cannon.
It's so obvious, people just acting blind because of the Gwen hate HAHAHAHAHHAHAHA Forever a Gwiles shipper!!
I’ve never heard of their ship name as Gwiles 😂 I’ve only heard people refer to them as Macey (Miles+ Stacey or Morales+Stacey) but now thinking on it, you can’t do much with their names without making it sound odd.
@@AdamIshak01 the most popular as of ASTV is ghostflower. A lot of people disliked the name Gwiles in the first place so everybody used the release of atsv to get the name ghostflower popular.
It's rare I've seen a ship name successfully changed after the fact but it definitely worked here.
@@NRG-REC that’s cute! But it makes sense why they had to make their ship name out of other related titles.
I'm usually dense as hell about romance irl and in fiction, but even I can tell that Gwen and Miles are being set up. Gwen telling Miles that in different universes they get together, but pulling away because it doesn't end well parallels her everything in this film: pulling away from both Miles, her dad, and all her other friends because she's scared it will end badly, but learning that it doesn't always have to with her dad quitting and finally talking to her
An extremely well written animated couple.
Agreed
These two are definitely in love with each other. But I do agree with u, Gwen is more in love with him than he is with her. I do think despite their ages miles is more mature than gwen.
I truly like that miles tells gwen they are same: Gwen plays the drums and miles draws her cause they can’t stop thinking about each other, both have parent drama, understand each other, are around the same age, both act awkward and cool to try impress when with each other, they tend to get jealous, both are emotionally attached with each other, deeply personally connected ( gwen sensing miles from another dimension) and are both in love with each other.
U know what I truly love about gwen is that she is willing to offer platonic love over romance to keep miles safe throughout this movie. The reason is say that is because though Gwen loves that she is miles friend, a lot of scenes shows that Gwen wants it to be something more. Plus she said that miles is the only friend she made and calls him that throughout the whole movie. I think her referring miles as a friend is literally her way of saying to miles “ I have catch feelings for u, but can’t fall for u” because of the Gwen Stacy canon event.
But at the end miles taught her their is a first time for everything and that it’s all possible to have a relationship with him. Plus I like the change of dynamic between them because at the start miles was looking up to Gwen and jumping through a portal. At the end it’s Gwen now looking up to miles and jumping through the portal. It’s like their leap of faith into a relationship
I like how some people still say that Gwen is a traitor or whatever but I really hope Gwen haters realize that Gwen loves Miles, and its 100% confirmed that Gwen and Miles will get together in BTSV
About the music part: in the song Self Love, the lyrics LITERALLY SAY "came to the city for the love, got her hurtin' now" and "self love, he don't love himself tryna love me" LIKE CMON MAN THEY WANT TO KISS SO BAD DID YOU SEE HOW SHE LOOKED AT HIM AT THE CLOCK TOWER??? Miles said to her "it's a first time for everything right?" AND SHE LOOKED AT HIM WITH THE EYES OF SOMEONE THINKING "God, I love you. Please keep talking." I am SOO passionate about this
Gwen's body language and pink background whenever she was with miles portrayed she had already fallen for him.She was just hiding her true feelings due to canon events. But when Miles said "first time for everything " ,the longing romantic stare at him she gave was enough to convince that her hope to be with him and possibly start a relationship was not fully shattered and for atleast one time believe for the best to happen.
I was thinking the same thing she definitely gave him I love you so much eyes
I mean I am pretty sure that they are going to be an couple finally after all that build up at the end of beyond the spider verse. And I saw a clip of the directors commentary of the movie in twitter, even they said there is a some sort of connection or bond with Miles and Gwen through dimension. Yeah they are definitely soulmates. What do you guys think???
@sanjaycurry2995 I agree with you
The only part I can’t agree with about is how can they be soulmates if they shouldn’t have ever met. Since multiverse travel isn’t supposed to happen but it did and that’s how the meet
@@adamboy0559 Because it was supposed to happen or it doesn't matter if it wasn't supposed to happen because it did anyways. There is still more lore, plot twists and details to be shown. The Web of Life and Destiny is way bigger and way more complicated than Miguel could ever understand.
@@flamesofchaos13 yes but people aren’t meant to travel across into different dimensions. And they only meet due to an accident involving multiverse travel that brought her to 1610. If everything went as it should they shouldn’t meet or even know of eachothers existence.
@@adamboy0559 That is a massive assumption. The most likely outcome is actually that they were meant to meet each other. The Web of Life and Destiny...That second word there is key to everything. They don't have free will they never had free will everything is scripted literally. "Nothing is reversible, I have different technicalities". "Eventually it always fits"...The sign said No Refunds, No Refusals.
The deep lore of Spider-Man is that it's literally impossible for someone to be accidentally bitten. The Spiders know who to bite, why the person is being bitten, Their entire life to come.
Further that if Miles was truly not meant to be he wouldn't have Spidey Sense or any of the powers of Spider-Man...He would've been killed as well long before he could ever act to threaten the system in play. If that isn't the case that Miles is actually Blessed not Cursed...They have far more to worry about than realities maybe crumbling as they're all guaranteed to die if the system is this broken now.
Beyond should explain it at least in part. It most certainly will explain the Glitching being a completely new thing (that is unnatural), The canonicity of The Prowler and Supervillains within the Web (the ones actually cursed to suffer), The nature of Destiny and Fate, The existence of Anomalies, Miguel himself being an Anomaly, Miles Prowler being both the greatest Canon Break and a Canon Event at the same time, The absence of Evil Variants of Spider-Man and absence of the Variants of both Gwen and Miles within the Society.
in the scene where Gwen goes back to Miles for the first time in the movie, she says something like: you grew huh! had a little growth spurt.
and if you look at her face you can notice right after she says it she starts cringing at herself
Alot of people forget about Gwen's plotline, which is a major reason why she had to lied to him in the first place. She had to follow the rules of the spider society, so doesn't have to go back to her dimension and be confronted by her dad.
Which ironically turned out to be what she needed to do to learn that canon events can be averted without destroying realities, that she's failing Miles in the same way her father failed her, That you can forgive and be forgiven even when the worst comes to pass...That there is hope. If she went home just a day earlier all of this could've been avoided. Or if she was 100% honest with Miles she would learn he's not like the other guys in her life he won't hate her or attack her...He would save the world or die trying or find some compromise with her but that is literally his choice she can't decide that for him it's not her place to.
Gwen messed up though she knows she did and will try to fix it no matter what. Problem is Miles doesn't know how much she cares and is NOT in a good place be it setting or mind...It will be a literal war to redeem herself going through Miles's misconceptions/distrust/paranoia, Other Miles and Aaron and the Supervillains of 42. Then they'll still have to deal with the Society and Spot after that.
@@flamesofchaos13facts
Is nobody gonna mention the fact the she leaned on his shoulder UPSIDE DOWN? When you're standing upright and lean on someone, you let gravity hold you close, when you're hanging from the ceiling, you're actively fighting gravity to do so. Leaning on Miles' shoulder took incredible effort, as she had to hang from a flat surface diagonally.
To say Gwen betrayed Miles is what we call balderdash. It is pure nonsense that she betrayed him.
Here is a girl that is quite smitten with Miles. But, literally hanging out with Spider-Man will get your neck broke.
So, she is risking everything by sticking her neck out for Miles. She's thinking she's on borrowed time by even being around him. How in the world is she supposed to explain that and everything else to an eternal optimist like Miles?
No she says it herself she did betray him she admits that twice in the intro and her speech to her father. It's why she can fix things...Because she realized she messed up. How do you tell that person? Using complete honesty and sincerity...Peter B literally almost did it until Miguel's hit squad came rushing in. If Peter B can do it...The one constantly making mistakes then Gwen the love of Miles life could do it if she just committed to it without question.
But we know why she couldn't...Her trauma from her father made her lose faith in herself and love so she took reassurance in certainty and authority even if it was wrong even if she had her doubts she decided to side with them. Until she realized what they did was wrong called it out and was thrown away herself...Then she got the reunion with her father to realize nothing is certain and love matters most. Now she knows it's possible to have her cake and eat it too. Or at least try even if it kills her she'll die with the one she loves and probably kill for him too.
@@flamesofchaos13she says she HURT him. Not betrayal. The movie never calls her a traitor.
@@fzkarts2618 That's literally the same thing in a romantic relationship. She betrayed him...She knows she did. It's the only reason why she'll even be able to make it up. Because if she couldn't realize they betrayed him and gone after him this would only get much much worse. They're not above him they're not better than him they're just as lost as him but have figured out the one thing they need for certain is each other. When they're together they'll figure out a means to save everyone because they must.
She did betray him lol we all know that. They all did but Miles will forgive some or all of them hopefull.
@@Ms.Divine2024 All. As long as Miguel isn't Evil. Miles doesn't want to be their enemy this is directly stated in the official soundtrack. He's angry, scared, heartbroken...But he's not irrational and he doesn't consider them as evil. He fully understands why they're doing what they're doing...He just CAN NOT do it too. He can't just let his father die because of him. Yeah he actually agrees with Miguel that it's all his fault too.
The soundtrack is truly heartbreaking. It tells us just how much he loves Gwen, How he perceives the Society and what he was thinking when alone on his world. He loves the Spider-Gang just as much as his parents and is mentally breaking without them in his life. That context and him still doing what he's doing...Heart wrenching.
I dont know how anyone could ever think they shouldn’t be together, THEY ARE LITERALLY EVERYTHING! It’s so obvious they love each other too.
Hope you feel better soon btw!!
Miles and Gwen showed what "Absence makes the heart grow fonder" means
I'm surprised by the amount of people who fail to understand it because I thought the movie made it quite obvious that they both care and have feelings for each other i mean miles has his notebook full of gwen drawings and gwen is thinking about him while making songs and also has his picture that she is looking it at to feel better and get motivated and also despite the spider society not allowing her to visit miles she did that when she got her first opportunity and also she was panicked when debrie from that building fall into miles when he rescued inspector singh and how she defended him after he escaped and also in the chase how worried she looked and when she got hobie's homemade watch she went in his dimension to help him and then she assembled an entire team to find and rescue him and yes I've mentioned mainly what gives away Gwen's feelings because I think for Miles it's more obvious he has a notebook full of her drawing she tried to impress her in the first movie with the shoulder touch (funnily enough his first interaction with gwen caused him to become spiderman because: gwen laughs at his joke he tells about her to his uncle he shows him the shoulder touch because of that he sees his drawing and to cheer him up takes him to do graffiti where he gets bitten by that spider) and how he desperately wants to meet her again and yeah i think it's obvious
note: this comment ended up being way too long
Oh yeah, I know that theory; Gwen is like a unique type of anomaly or basically the catalyst for what caused the original anomaly and her mere interaction with Miles is what set in stone the events that made him become Spiderman.
People taking her siding with the society and overexagerating her relationship with hobbie to push this narrative and it's just dumb , Literaly in her conversation with miles she tells him there relationship is different and that hobie literally is just a friend to her while she and miles have a much deeper relationship, the only people suggesting it's more then that are hobie himself and pav both unreliable narrators who are clearly just messing with miles pav especially , as for the society Gwen was clearly groomed into the society way of thinking edged on by her own situation in her own universe, her siding with Miguel isn't her not caring about him it's the opposite just like Peter she's trying to protect him it just backfire but that isn't proof of lack of care just misplaced direction gwen is a teenager and doesn't have all the answers or all the right decisions, people ate blinded by main character bias to see both sides .
If it makes you feel better your comment looks like a sentence compared to mine cause I went on a rant RANT 😂 but idk why the internet hates responses more than 3 lines long! Let people communicate their thoughts and have a healthy discussion! 👏🏽
I think it's because there's always an obligatory love story when guy/gal are involved and it's always so ham-fisted and made obvious. Here it feels more like an actual blossoming relationship so it tends to go past some people's radar. So, tldr good writing is hard to come by ,,as ppl are used to just being told information 😆
@@AdamIshak01 I agree with you I find no reason why all comments should be short
I’m also think she is more in love with him than he is in love with her.
He got an obsession with her because she is confident, elegant, totally awesome, cool and gorgeous. He saw her but he didn’t really know her. Gewn, in other hand, loves him because she saw and she noticed him beyond that kid she met other day. She falls in love because she truly saw how tenacious, brave, capable, loyal he is. He was a kid but that kid become a real man and they really needed him most. When somebody thinks about someone else in every single moment, such as bad as good times, that person’s love is deep!!
By the way, she told about him to everyone she relates to. Everybody knew “the anomaly” but she told to the close ones (Hobie and her mentor) who is Miles, not the anomaly. That’s why Spider Woman saw her inside his apartment, she listened what she said to his parents and tells nothing to Miguel. And Hobie, of course, love Miles since he met him because Hobie already knew him by Gwen’s perspective.
I’m 42 yo and that kind of conversation they have I already had pretty much the same as a teenager. I noticed the looks, the touches, the nuances, the jealousy that came from her. And it’s awesome!! For exemple, when she met his parents, she touch his backs and the thumb cuddles him. Very subtle to see at first watch unless you already been through this situation.
Man, that movie is great and she is, definitely, my favorite character since Into the Spiderverse. And I began to admire Miles because I started to see him through her eyes, just like Hobie Brown.
Gwen is textbook the person who loves someone to the moon and back, craves that closeness, intimacy, relationship and bond, but keeps a distance from that person because she's afraid that she will hurt him, the point where she will hide info and keep her distance from them. But when given the chance she is trying to get every little bit of contact with him, even if its just standing next to him or shoulder tap or a quick back pat. For people like Gwen they value the person and the time they have with them so much but they also have a giant fear that the good feelings are fleeting and highly temporary, so she distances herself to protect herself from getting too hurt, but also distancing so she might be able to minimize the hurt she might cause Miles. Is the assumption true? No. But this is something with of people with trauma do. They are overflowing with love, care and desire, but their fear of hurting their loved one is holding them hostage.
I couldn't agree more. There is one moment from Across the Spider-verse that is so subtle most would miss it but it's just before Miguel tries to trap Miles at the Spider Society and Miles says "you were right gwen, you should have never come to see me". The look on Gwen's face as he says that, it's like someone is ripping her heart out!
Go back and watch her reactions during the entire "intervention" she feels really bad about it but her face notably changes when he says "you were right Gwen". Her mouth opens in shock, her eye brows go up and she starts to tear up when he says "you should have never come to see me". It so quick but so spot on. Not only does she know she hurt him but that all this means she will lose him.
Not only that... He's just repeating what she said back at Spider-India world when Miles followed her. She said that in anger...Maybe not truly meaning it. But Miles does fully mean it.
The fact that gwen knew every relationship the alternate gwens and spidermen had always ended badly was all i needed to know it wasn't a one sided relationship. Someone's been doing her research
Just watched the video and it’s amazing, 10/10. But I have one thing to say:
At 4:45, if you look above Gwen and Miles’s photo and flip the image, you can see a small note saying “Happy Birthday Mom” with a heart. So this means 2 things. 1, Gwen knew her mom before her mom left/died, or maybe her mom is still alive. And 2, she cares about Miles so much that she put that photo right next to the last thing she has from her mom. Girl is down bad fr
I had not noticed that part about the box in the drum kit. 🤯
Talk about prized possession on overdrive when it comes to that spot!!
Now that I know that detail, part of me thinks that even that could play a part in what Gwen says to Miles in BTSV.
Thank you for pointing that out! I truly wouldn’t have noticed
Finally someone else noticed that! It was driving me nuts how I seemed to be the only one wondering where her mom was and theorizing she's dead.
Miles and Gwen have such a great well written relationship. Whether they end up a couple or stay friends I just hope things end well for them
Another thing in the beginning of the movie when Gwen is falling into the collider in Into the Spiderverse her lips pucker up like she saw miles and wanted to kiss him
The film across the spiderverse literally tells you that Gwen misses Miles LIKE IT SPENDS THE ENTIRE INTRO doing it and the plot kicks in because of Gwen wanting to see Miles so IT AINT ONE SIDED
Bro you would not believe the number of damn near essays I've written since this movie dropped about Miles and Gwen or having to defend Gwen because people weren't paying attention to her story or the position she was in, or her actual character at all.
You're doing good work and saving me the trouble, i appreciate you!
1:56 this is something I always thought but I never saw anyone else bring it up, how miles was able to draw gwen in perfect detail yet couldn't really draw the others like peter and peni with as much detail, I'm thinking it's got to be because miles and gwen are connected to each other across universes
Imma just say this: As an objective viewer with no skin in the game, they both have massive crushes on each other. Like, It couldn't be more obvious.
8:56 - When Ben got dragged into that portal, we hear the music get intense followed by the way Gwen moves so off and crushes the watch to pieces. That's not particularly heroic if I'm being honest. Granted, she is saving Miles but I think she's coming at this with anger.
Remember, she had long got indoctrinated that Canon Events were real. However the problem with Canon Events, even though this has been disproven, is that it is just an easy way for any Peter Parker or Spider-Man to shift blame on. Spider-Men should never blame others for their own screw-ups. It's why the Spider Society were so readily to accept Miguel's ideals. But it's also why Miguel continues to blame others for Miles's escape.
Like everyone has said, Gwen is not perfect. While protecting Miles and his family is good but her approach shows she is filled with rage, directed at the Spider Society for what she sees as them ruining her life and ruining her relationship with Miles.
However, it's only when she sees Miles's parents discussing about her and Miles is when she stops and think. Sure, the Spider Society was wrong for how they treated him but it's ultimately Gwen's fault for dragging him into this and didn't give him the support he needed. That's why Gwen faces Miles's parents since she no longer wants to blame others for her own screw ups. She knows that doing so might cost her any chance to be with Miles but it's the right thing to do.
I’m not sure if everyone caught this in the movie with the coloring, but I think it’s worth mentioning in one of your videos about this movie. When Gwen is stopped by her dad at the end of the movie the next scene shows Gwen’s spider costume with a black shading over it with red outlining the costumes eyes. I thought this represented Gwen thinking like Miles to fix her situation when she turns back to her dad.
I like the final scene where she's confident and looking happy for the first time since the intro scenes of the past at the dinner table with Peter and George...While phasing in and out of Red n Blue (Spider-Man aka herself) and Green n Purple (The Prowler aka Miles).
@@flamesofchaos13purple and green aren’t miles colors tho
@@miles4291 They're the Prowler's classic colors...Which he was meant to become the Prowler and the other Miles is the Prowler. The logical conclusion is Miles Spidey can't be Spider-Man because he won't follow the canon of it and can't if he wants his parents and Gwen to live then he'll become the Prowler or a Hybrid where he will use the classic colors to differ from Miles 42. It's his canon event to become the Prowler and save/love Gwen...It's been hinted at since the start. He truly is different from them the part they didn't get is that's a great thing.
@@flamesofchaos13 nah
@@swoopsack3368it's true bro what itsv you see when Miles meets his Peter and the spider sense goes off at first it's purple and green before it switches to blue and red showing he would've been the prowler had he not been bit
Can't wait to see the video. Also Gwen totally has feelings for Miles just like Miles has feelings for Gwen.
Yes I hope in the next movie that Miles will forgive Gwen so they can be together 💕🙏
@@solomonrohner1217 He will...It would literally be character assassination if he didn't. Miles has forgiven way way worse. Granted he's got an entire personal arc to go through a very dark one. The question isn't really if...But when and how.
Gwiles truly one of the best ships I hope Sony doesn’t mess it up 🤞🏽
There’s no way beyond the spiderverse doesn’t end with them together 😂😂😂. Great breakdown and editing. I’ve been watching your videos more frequently.
I mean, it could, and Sony execs would have the best front row seat to the greatest box office implosion of all time 🤣🤣
@@jparry3 nah they’re not gonna do us dirty like that knowing damn well they’ve been building it up 🤣🤣🤣
@@gammafrost Hey, as long as Gwen introduces Miles to her dad by the end, I'll be happy!!
Worst Outcome: They die together or are given character assassination...It would literally be the most out of character move to have Miles not forgive her. As a Miles is my favorite Spider I would be F**king pissed! His entire character is about forgiveness and undying hope. He's forgiven people that have tried to murder him multiple times.
Best Outcomes: Earth 8 or Inverse Earth 8.
Bittersweet Outcome: Anything that has them deeply in love but separates them.
@@flamesofchaos13 I hear you man and I definitely think that miles will forgive her and they will start a relationship together.
I love miles and gwen sooo much !!!!!❤
I know right Miles and Gwen are my favorite characters
@@solomonrohner1217 FR, they are meant for each other.
I agree that.Miles and Gwen make a best couple 💕
@@solomonrohner1217 couldn’t have said it any better
@@iconx404Agreed.
It’s so obvious they love each other and NGL her in that scene. It looks like she kinda fell a little bit of love
Fax! They love each other. Gwen and Miles have to get together for the completely satisfying ending. This is their story. There’s so many other minor factors that also help the case as to why they should get together. I can’t wait to see their relationship become official in BTSV. Their relationship teaches so many lessons and goes through all the emotions that a real relationship would have.
Great video as always!! Glad someone saw how much Gwen likes Miles, it's just not as in your face as Miles is about Gwen.
And thanks for the shout out! Always looking forward to seeing more from you
I can’t wait for beyond the spider verse 😊
I want this to be the story of the Miles and Gwen that are married with children and meet Miles from the comics.
I know right! Earth 8 by the way. But they're probably not Earth 8 comic vs animation...Maybe Earth 8B or maybe Earth 1675. The main difference has got to be he does take on the mantle of the Prowler and they name their daughter after Rio and Helen! At least Rio she's the Best Mom in the Multiverse her name must cross generations! If she's named after Rio then everything really will be better down the line as Blonde Peter and Lizard Peter predicted.
@@flamesofchaos13 what I love about this new generation of superheroes is that they all have their own families and communities, The stories are new, and the fans know all about them!
Like I honestly didn't know who Rio or Helen were for a second, but then I remembered who Rio was and then extrapolated that Helen must be Gwen's mother.
THE BEST COUPLES IN CINEMA 🎦
great indepth description about how their relationship isnt onesided and good way of going far into the details of the movie
I will be very sad if gwen and miles don’t get together😭 they are so in love with each other, I love ghostflower!!!❤
This is so true, I can literally sense their love for each other in the second movie! Can't wait to watch this video! I love Gwen and Miles! (Maybe Gwen a little too much) love all your Ghostflower content! Also I just wanted to say again, thank you for the tips, and what is your favourite variation of Gwen as is which universe version og Gwen is your favourite (wow I worded that terribly) mine is Earth 65 Gwen of course. Anyway thanks for the tips and motivation, love your videos cant wait for this one and have an amazing spiderverse filled day! (Also if they don't get together in beyond I will book a flight to America, go to the Sony entertainment offices and personally punch the executives and writers in the face, and I'll burn down the entire building, then I'll right a fan fic of my own lol)
No problem, I’m glad the tips helped! I’d say Earth-65 Gwen is my favorite too. Her stories about loving herself and being a hero for others rather than herself is really good. Also she can be a goofball which I like lol… but yeah I’ll meet you at the airport and we can punch the Sony execs together and write the fan fic!! They BETTER get together 😤😤
@@serpentsirYeah Earth-65 Gwen can be a goof ball sometimes, and I love how cute she is with Miles, I could literately smell the love between the 2 during the 2nd film (Also I'm really mad at those Sony execs for removing her dialogue during the bridge scene) anyways I just finished watching your video (it releases early at like 12 am for me and I got school so I can only watch it later in the day) and If you need it/ want it I would love to help out in your fan film (I have like 5 hours of Adobe animated experience so if I could help with at least 5 frames if you get it animated of course that would be amazing), also, I'd just like to say again, thank you for the tips and motivation (also I know I'm a WAAAAYY smaller channel than you but when my vid releases I will definitely give you my thanks)anyway this comment is getting too long have a good day!
This man is extremely underrated
I feel like it so obvious but people been saying that Gwen sees him more like a little brother which I don’t agree with.
it’s stated in the art book she doesn’t and it’s mentioned she wants to be with him but can’t
@@Naya-hy7kk because she doesn't want to lose miles
@@Naya-hy7kk Really. Reading that, Gwen truly wants to be with miles and doesn’t want to be separated ever again. I think this film shows that with the way Gwen is happy when she is around him. And how she can’t stop thinking nor talking about him for a year which highlights that she has deep feelings for him.
Like a little brother,where did this come from. How does anyone watch this and come to this conclusion.
I REALLY LIKE TO SEE THEM END UP TOGETHER ITS STUPID THAT THEY DONT, AND I SWEAR IF SONY STARTS LISTENING TO THE PEOPLE SHIPPING MILES AND SPIDERBYTE AND MAKE IT A REALITY I WILL CRY. THIS VIDEO WAS ALL I NEEDED TO SOLIDIFY GWEN AND MILES. MORE PEOPLE SHOULD WATCH THIS
i wrote or attempted to write what i think you were saying last video like the ending of BTSV ok so here it is
Gwen and miles: ok let's do this one last time
(Gwen and miles backflip of of a building)
Miles: my name is miles morales
Gwen: my name is Gwen Stacy
(2 comic frames one for miles one for Gwen)
Miles: and for the last month
Gwen: we have been the one and only spider-people
(Swinging around)
Gwen and miles: I think you know the rest
(Running on the ITSV crane)
Gwen and miles: we saved a bunch of people
(3 comic frames side by side far left Gwen saving someone for right miles saving somone middle then doing a fist bump like in ITSV)
Miles: I reviled my identity to my parents
(Miles looks hesitant Gwen hold his hand miles take a deep breath and shows them they are happy for him)
Gwen: I introduced him to my dad
(Miles shakes Gwens dad's hand)
Miles: we celebrated my 16th birthday
(Party like in ATSV miles blows out candles)
Miles: I tried the drums
(Of beat drums)
Gwen: and failed
(Miles getting frustrated Gwen laughing)
Miles: and I taught Gwen how to spray paint
(Spray-paints web warriors together ATSV style sits on the bench Gwen leaning on miles chest his arms resting on the backrest of the bench he takes a photo of the artwork)
Miles: and whenever I feel alone I know that I have who I need right beside me
(Back shot upside down on the clock tower they hold hands Gwen has her head on miles shoulder cut to front wired headphones one plug for Gwen one for miles Gwen eyes closed miles looks at Gwen and smiles)
Monologue:.....
But at the end of the day im Spiderman and.. im not the only one (jumps of building with Gwen. Miles arm slightly behind Gwen's back land on the bed ITSV style miles presses play on his phone and plays 'sunflower')
END
anyways hope you enjoyed
duuuude as long as Gwen introduces Miles to her dad just like that it'll be the best ending
If I can see of them narrating their story especially with miles meeting Gwen’s dad, teaching each other their own skills and maybe having a post credit/short film about their first date or something else. IM HAPPY.
I LOVE THIS! Especially the parent part!!
thanks so much ( :@@serpentsir
@@serpentsir let's be real, everyone sh*ts their pants if they have Miles and Gwen just casually coming out of a portal in Gwens living room in normal clothes to just have her introduce Miles to her dad like it's "normal to do" 🤣🤣
5:05 gwen risking her life not knowing if her dad would shoot her or not for a photo of her and miles 🥺 i love them so much
it’s so obvious these two love each other 😭 i seriously don’t know how ppl can say gwen doesn’t like miles. they’ll be a couple by the end of btsv
Miles and Gwen are endgame for sure.
That's what up! MILES and GWEN the early years. Before they got married and have children! Peace
Gonna be hard for Gwen to confess that to Miles after what he's been through and that she and Peter B kept secrets about him being an Anomily.
To Gwen telling Miles would mean getting kicked out of the spider society which meant getting sent to her own dimension where her dad pointed his gun at her and tried to arrest her. She was stuck between a rock and a hard place.
I didn't thunk this needed to be discussed given the many examples the movie gave. Her being embarassed in her first reuinion with him. Her clearly reminiscing about him in the beginning of the movie. Her getting flustered when indian spiderman said miles liked her. And the spider byte scene
Never doubted that their love was double sided but I love your videos so much I had to watch it. And lemme tell you it did put a big fat smile on my face 👍
I don’t see how people can label it as one-sided despite the subtle details both characters are given
- Miles drawing pages upon pages of Gwen because of how much he missed her, Gwen only having Miles on her mind ever since going back to her dimension since he was the only true friend she had left
- How nervous and defensive they get when Pavitr calls them out as love interests, Miles constantly questioning Gwen’s relationship with Hobie and Gwen getting jealous of Miles talking to Margo/Spider-Byte
It’s so obvious that the two care about each other, how is it one-sided??
I love Gwen and Miles! I also love that we got more of her backstory in this!
I really hope they do get together at the end of Beyond. I keep on worrying that at the Miles would become Prowler and it wouldn’t have a happy ending I mean that’s just wrong. So wrong for some people to think that, I actually social media for putting that in my head. But even so, it’s very likely that they will get together
Miles should become The Prowler and STILL get with her. The Prowler isn't Evil...The OG is Morally Good (He's on their side), Spider-Verse Aaron was Dark Grey (yes he was a criminal but he was a loving uncle foremost...Also when he didn't know he was Miles he was asking the kid to just hand over the drive and walk away. He didn't want to be a monster it's exactly like Miles said he didn't think he had a choice if you know Kingpin lore he DIDN'T), Insomniac Aaron is Light Grey (bad guy with good intentions converted into a good guy because of Miles), His Twin is going to be Pure Grey or Morally Good. The only one that was Pure Evil was Ultimate Comics Aaron.
Gwen loves Miles...What does it matter what mask he wears? He'd be another Morally Good Prowler with a little extra bite.
I am hyped for this. I am a huge ghost flower fan.
Man I can’t wait for spider man beyond the spider verse man it so painful and sad in across the spider verse when Gwen broke his heart Miles they need to get together. They are soulmates together ❤️❤️
THEY'RE SO CUTE
Agreed! They better get together!!
Miles only interacted with Gwen for a few days in the first movie and yet has an incredible photo-reflective memory better than mine!
He had a reason to remember.
They took a selfie together in the 1st film. I’m sure that picture is still in his phone for reference.
You should make a video about how a relationship between Gwen and Miles could work after Beyond The Spider-Verse. With them living in two separate universes and all.
Gwen literally sensed homie in the wong dimension Gwen 100% loves Miles
She also sensed him when he gets knocked out
It's like she's thinking my baby's in trouble
Imagine if Gwen was bitten by the same spider as Miles then I would have a lot whole reason for that
💀 idk what to do with this image you’ve put in my head now-like Pete and Cindy…. But Miles and Gwen…
@@serpentsir E X A C T L Y !! Pete and Cindy cause eventho they didn't like each other they didn't have the choice they were attracted to each other due to the fact that they were both bitten by the same Spider-Man and I kinda thought of that when I saw the movie like..(how can Gwen sense Miles so well if they weren't at least bitten by the same Spider ??and they seem to get along very and well in a few hours at Spider-Man itsv like you said Miles doesn't share the same connection w his parents I thought that maybe they were bitten by the same spider and also her spider sense made her go to Miles's school.... coincidence I don't think soo 🤔....) I didn't know you'd notice my comment I'm flattered 😅
I love this. You’re really cool. Love is never cut and dry. Sometimes we hurt the ones we love. She never wanted to hurt him and made that very clear. Either way, they truly are connected spirits ❤.
Yey finally cant wait for this video❤Miles and Gwen are just so cute together❤also Serpent all of youre BTSV videos are amazing keep up the great work
The fact that anyone could think this is one sided is wild to me
I knew it from the start. I call it “Main Character Syndrome” basically how it works, is if the main character has a crush on somebody, they almost *always* end up getting together.
Not me blushing a giggling like a little kid during this video whenever you stated why they love each other
BEST COUPLE 100%
Anyone who questions gwens affection to miles just listen to metros" calling" and tell me Gwen doesn't love miles .
Twitter: she doesn't love him
Gwen on the ending of the movie: I'm gonna create a multiversal war to find him and help him if i need to!
@serpentsir, you know you have accomplished something awesome when your video generates this much interest before it even drops!!! I wish they had the salute emoji on YT
Thank you 🫡
This warmed my heart jajs it’s like reassurance for the next movie
Damn now I want to see Charlie and Max Morales Stacy in a cartoon now
8:23
That scene got changed in the movie for some reason
I think you forgot Miles and Gwen had taken pictures together. That’s how he was able to draw her so well.
She had the photo unless there was more than one copy. But we never saw more than one. It makes much more thematic sense if he's doing it from memory. It shows how much he cares about her in turn and that his mind really does collect a lot of info. He's a super genius the entire chase scene at the Spider-Society was a planned out move made in a few seconds...Otherwise he would've gone invisible.
First of all, hope you take the time to chill and catch up on your health, both mental and physical. You’re videos are all awesome, and I want you to feel the best about your life and making videos.
Secondly, DESERT-FLOWER NEEDS TO HAPPEN! Some relationships in movies aren’t done well, and those who are incompatible usually get together just because, but this is one of the few relationships that I believe need to happen. Miles would sideline his passion for art and learn to cross dimensional thresholds just to see her again, and at the end of the movie, Gwen would go to fucking war for Miles. Another thing I want to mention is the use of Mona Lisa in the scene where Gwen and Miles are swinging through Brooklyn. Not only is it a great love song, but the song itself is simply perfect for both of them and how their relationship makes me feel; fresh, alive, and authentic. If they don’t get together then I’m going to be very disappointed to say the least
“Well that’s his jacket eMO” had me dying 😭😭
That’s exactly what I was gonna say 😂
Like it baffles me when people say Gwen doesn't love him. HAVE WE WATCHED THE SAME MOVIE?