How to Sharpen a Hand Saw | Ripsaws
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How to sharpen a hand saw was a question I had a hard time answering when I started. but it is an easy skill when you know the basics. in this video, we cover some of the basics of file selection and tooth geometry and how to sharpen a rip saw. in the next video we will go into a lot more or the details of sharpening a saw and focus on sharpening a crosscut saw.
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Hi I love your videos it teaches me a lot thanks anyways.. I have a saw to it's a hand saw and I can only just use it one way to Sasa wood and the way I can use it it's just pulling it up I tried to push it down to saw her into the wood and I couldn't do that so I don't know what the problem is what do you think what the problem would be???? Tanks
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Whilst looking through the piles of wood at my local second hand store a random stranger walked up to me and asked what I was going to use the wood for, we ended up having a whole conservation about planing, sharpening and he taught me to always sharpen towards the handle and I've worked like that ever since
Nice. There's a lot of people who really hold strongly to that. And there's just as many people who will hold just a strongly to going opposite direction. Once you find something that works for you that's the key.
@@WoodByWright I think it can be a matter of as you file the teeth you get better as you go or for some worse.
What a difference!
With an old 1950s panel saw, that probably hadn't been sharpened since that time, i decided to conduct an experiment.
Prior to sharpening, i took 10 strokes through a piece of hard maple (rip cut).
I didn't even make it through the end grain. The actual kerf into the long grain was 5/8" in length and each stroke was difficult.
After following James' video,
Same saw, same piece of maple:
10 strokes and my cut was 1-3/4", and the saw just sailed through it. That's nearly 3X's the progress as with the dull saw with the same number of strokes.
Thank you James!
Excellent video James 👍🏻
I have an excellent tip 😁 that I was given from one of the old guys at work - if you clean off any buildup or tree sap, or whatever might be on your type of blade - and then take a coloured marker (I like to use red) and run it across each tooth, so that when you are sharpening you can see the flat spots very easily, and how many passes you might need to make to remove all the red.
I was most impressed, amd it saves a lot of time and eye strain!
Keep up the good work I will continue to follow your great lessons!
Oh, this is an instant follow! I look forward to seeing more of your content😊
I've been looking for a clear tutorial like this for a while, this is awesome, thanks so much. Will check out your others.
This is what I needed to know!
I just found a beautiful probably 100 year old Disston on the curb while riding my bike through the hood. Some don’t know what they throw!
the best video on saw sharpening I have seen so far.
Thanks for this video, i am from Lumajang City, East Java, Indonesia.
Excellent lesson, didn't have any idea how to start sharpening a hand saw, now I do. THANKS.
Thanks. Glad I can help. Let me know if you have any other questions.
I loved the video. Thanks for cutting out the need to stress over the high level of detail that may be important in more expensive saws. I’m not of a younger generation but the amount of detail still in this process made me want to just go buy another saw and not spend my limited time on this one thing.
Thanks again.
I just want to say I very much enjoy your videos. I'm new to woodworking, and have been looking to move more towards hand tools. Your explanations are very clear and have helped me understand what I'll be getting into. Please keep up the great work.
Thanks. That means a lot. Let me know if there's anything I can help you with.
Agreed! I'm in the same boat. I recently raided my Grandad's old tool shed and picked out a couple of saws probably from the 60s or 70s. They're not in the best shape, but after a few of your videos I'm feeling confident in trying to restore them bac to their former glory!
I just found a old hand saw and stanley 55 with tons of blades i need to set my saw and find a left side fence and a locking screw for the adjustable skate where the rod slides theough it attaches to that pin. Idk what its called. Oh i also just got into woodworking but so far ive found a nice collection while antique hunting here in Oklahoma. Everyone has things cheap as dirt here. Stanley 100 mitre picture frame was 59$. My vintage self powered "jigsaw" from sears roebucks and co was 12$. Saw was 8 ive seen over 30 kinds sizes shapes saws and all for less..
You can use a doorframe profile in the vice to hold the blade. It's less fiddling. But the jaws you made are awesome, might make a set too👍
I watched this video last year when you posted it. I have also had a pair of old, rusted, VERY dull, rip saws in desperate need of sharpening about that long. Today I finally got around to sharpening one of them. It was my very first attempt and took about an hour to do. On to of that, my bench choose is entirely too shallow to properly reach the heal and I don't have any of those nifty jigs so it was done freehand. After I finished, I took it for a test cut. First cut was across the thickness of a pine 1 by. 2nd was across the width of a pine 2x4...
Holy cow! The cuts were almost effortless! I couldn't be happier. No more using my general purpose saw for rip cuts.
Next I'm gonna change the other old saw into a cross cut saw. All freehand.
Nice. Glad I could help.
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Thanks this helped a lot. I just restored and sharpened some old saws for a friend.
Sweet. Love hearing about an old tool coming back to life.
Very good instructional video. Sharpening a saw is something every woodworker should know how to do. :)
And So relaxing!
Wood By Wright true. My workshop is in the basement so I need to time it right. Apparently the file makes horrible noises.. . Well.... so says my wife. :)
Collection of files, unless I was a woodworker I would get that but I'm occasional.
i knew nothing about how to sharped a saw, apart from a chainsaw.. A very well explained video. loved it. mike
LOL.... Bought an antique vice like you showed and never knew what was for. Now I know!
I found that your video on saw sharpening very helpful as I am new wood worker with the Australian men shed in Mortdale and it will help me saw better. thank-you
thanks Russel. my pleasure!
Hearing you say to just go for it and that I probably wouldn't mess up a saw bad enough that it wouldn't cut, that gave me the confidence to go pick up one of my rusty dollar saws, get it cleaned up, clamped to the bench with a piece of wood, and then start filing. I filed the teeth in the wrong direction, but dammit, I was confident enough to go do it! On the bright side, I am temporarily the owner of a Western saw with Japanese sensibilities. I think of it as my woodaboo saw.
LOL nice. that is a new one!a whole new body mechanic!
@@WoodByWright Right? Felt pretty dumb when I saw it (no pun intended) but have decided I'll just make a template for the teeth (Paul Sellers has a great technique on his blog) and then sharpen the rest the correct way, then joint it down and learn how to recut the teeth entirely.
Wouldn't even think it was possible for me to do if you hadn't explained it so well, though!
Thank you! This will help me a lot, I just restored an old 30-40's saw that my parents found on the attic when they were doing some renovation and were to throw away.
Sweet. Love hearing about a good old tool coming back to life.
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"The wood Sawyer knows his onions!"Great woodshop too.
A quick one. If you notice after sharpening a few saws that your files hold onto the filings.... Sharpening can cause a slight magnetism over time. Getting a good electronic demagnetizer will save your files and keep them sharper longer... Even if you card the files often, the fines can stay behind and over time they will not only knock down the tips of the files cutting surface, but they will also widen and round out the valleys.
Excellent video! Looking forward to watching the next one about sharpening a cross-cut saw. Cheers!
thanks man. it should be out Saturday, but I might not have that one edited tell Monday.
I have grandpa's saws , thanks for the video ,I won't screw them up now
Thanks for the lesson. You're such a great teacher!
thanks! that means a lot!
Very informative. Very good presentation and detail. Thank you for your knowledge.
Thank you for nice professional explanation.
You make that look so easy James nice job brother!
thanks man! it is a very meditative job!
Wish I could give two thumbs up on this video. Great explanation of cross cut and rip saw geometry.
Thanks man. I am looking forward to today's video with a bit more detail.
Great point at 13;45. On a dovetail saw this way of sharpening; 50 - 50 , really gives the saw all the set it needs. Try cutting dovetails in wood 3/4" or less with a saw with NO set - works great and the joint slides together more easily.
Makes for a very nice smooth cut!
Smooth cut is the upside. The downside is that you absolutely must have all the angles in hand before the saw moves - there's no going back!
Learn more of it.thanks . It's wonderfulll the way you explain and easy for me to copy.gracias .from Mexico city.
I learned a lot. Thank you!
Thank you very much for this awesome tutorial. I learnt a lot watching your video very diligently.
Very nice intro. Looking forward to the cross cut edition
thanks Richard!
Got me with the opening line haha
I read the book "Keeping the Cutting edge Setting and Sharpening hand & power saws. By Harold Payson. Nice short 📚. He highly recommend white distilled vinegar to remove dirt. With my favorite trick a ball of tin foil and the thick green scruby works 💪 👍
Brother, you have an awesome knowledge. You should write it down and make a small How to little booklet and sell it. From A to Z. I'll be your first customer. Keep on preaching!
E-x7 interesting idea. I might have to think about it.
So much more to saws than I thought
As always this is a really good video and i've learned a lot. Imma try to sharpen an old saw i have when i get home from work
Sweet man! have fun with it!
Полезное видео и полезные приспособления, которые можно сделать своими руками. 👍 спасибо.
I was wondering what those saw file things were in my garage for the longest, yay now I can use them! My husband makes fun of me for using a handsaw but I think he's a barbarian for using a reciprocating saw for every single solitary think he wants to cut 🙄 I like clean cuts sometimes, okay! At least I'm not going to make sideways ass tables and cabinets
Tiny little correction: I think disposable saw teeth are usually impulse hardened, using an induction heater with a little pinch point in the field lines to supply a pre-determined amount of energy to each individual tooth and letting the thermal mass of the saw plate quench it.
Great video! The only thing people might be disappointed by is that I don't believe it would advance anyone's Stephen Covey-style self-help efforts.
Dude, your videos are awesome. Thanks so much!
Also, nice clogs.
Thanks James. Really like your attention to deal and close ups...rr
thanks Richard. sometimes that is hard to see.
La verdad mire el video para ver si en realidad sabias afilar un serrucho, yo no se absolutamente nada de ingles, pero si se afilar serruchos y la verdad te califico con un 10, afilado perfecto, no miré que lo trabaras pero igual a lo mejor ya lo habias trabado, soy fanático de las herramientas y bonito serrucho lastima que por aquí ya dejaron de venderlos de ese tamaño, saludos cordiales desde Culiacán, Sinaloa.
Gracias, eso significa mucho. Yo pude hablar más español para poder poner videos en ese idioma también.
@@WizardsNews Seria super bueno pero no te preocupes, con buena intención se entienden los idiomas, se traspasan fronteras y se hacen buenos amigos.
Great tutorial. Thanks
Nice video James! Thanks for sharing it with us.😎👍JP
Thanks man!
You covered it all so well. Ell done.
thanks Bernie!
I have never ever thought about sharpening my saws but new they needed it you have just got my attention on that again and I will give it a shot. Thank you so much for your videos!
thanks! my pleasure! have fun with it!
I don't even have a hand saw... great video
So James, after watching Paul Sellers, and now your video on sharpening saws, I figured might as well give it a go. I have an old Master Mechanic saw (Ace hardware brand I think) from about 40 years ago. First saw I ever bought and was severely disappointed in it so it's been hanging on a wall in the garage for years doing nothing. Thing never cut worth a darn. Now that I'm learning more about hand tools, figured it was time to try sharpening it. Never did that before on any saw. (I've always just bought the hardened tooth cheapies since then.)
Well, after sharpening it with a small inexpensive file from the local Woodcraft I looked at my handiwork with a magnifying glass and found I have anywhere from no rake to about 20 degrees of rake on various teeth. Guess I really need to learn how to keep that file in the proper position. Well figures me, that can't be good! Much to my surprise, the thing cuts very well, either crosscut or ripcut. I mean really, really good. Surprised the heck out of me. Now I've got to practice this so I can get this thing sharpened properly. If it cuts this good from my poorly done sharpening, it must be capable of some really great stuff when done properly. Now I understand why people like you and Paul Sellers tout the benefit of getting old saws and learning how to sharpen them. Time to hit the local estate sales, me thinks.
Thanks for the very informative video.
Thanks Don. that means more then you know. that is why I tell people not to be afraid of sharpening even with a poor job it will be sharper than when you started, and the more you do the better you get. from here on out you get to be blown away by how much better it is every time you sharpen it.
OK James, couldn't wait to try this again. So, this time I paid more attention to holding the file in the exact same position each time, and making sure all the teeth looked the same height when I was finished. Went back over a couple teeth afterwards when I noticed they were higher than the rest. Still not perfect I'm sure, but much better than the first time. It is amazing how well the saw cut, especially when you consider how many times over the years I almost just threw it out.
The first cut I made curved off to the right, I remembered you talking about that possibility, so I got out a diamond plate and gave it a couple swipes on that side. Still curved to the right so gave it a couple more swipes. Almost straight now, so I made a half dozen cuts to make sure it wasn't me. No matter what I did it still curved right a bit. Took a couple more swipes with the diamond plate and now it looks to be cutting perfectly straight. I am in awe. I think as you mentioned about the burr being all on one side, the next time I will try cutting the teeth from both sides. Either way, this thing really does work well now, and I've only spent maybe an hour total. I'm blown away by how easy it really is, and what a difference it makes.
This is the same AHA moment I had when I first found out how to sharpen and use a handplane properly. It truly is unreal what a difference it makes doing something well.
It's kind of embarrassing really. I'm a retired tool and die maker, so precision is not a stranger to me. Just it never translated to handsaws for wood. Go figure. This really opened up a new world of how to think of this stuff to me. I have been slowly getting into hand tools for woodworking instead of only machines lately, but sharpening my own handsaws was just something I didn't do. Wasted too much time not doing it. In honor of my new favorite saw, I polished and waxed it. :-) Thank you for making this so easy.
That is sweet! love to hear it!a lot of fun to be had in your future!
OK, this is all your fault. :-) Bought a saw yesterday from a local estate auction. $6. Finally got the bolts off and the plate is now soaking in a vinegar bath while the handle is drying out after stripping all the crap off it. I think I'll make this one into a crosscut saw. It looks to be about 8 teeth per inch. I need to find a source for new bolts. Actually had to drill one out it was so rusted. Luckily the plate is fine with only one gentle bend at the back. More to come, I'm sure.
Nicely explained James :) Thank you ॐ
my pleasure man!
Very thorough video. I like the sharpening plate trick. Thanks. Pilot, eh? I had to quit flying several years ago due to a completely benign heart arrhythmia vs. a rigid doctor performing a routine FAA medical. Oh well, it wasn't a huge issue as I didn't really like flying anymore than driving a car, but it was necessary for me to get from point A to point B in 1:30 hrs in the air vs. 6:00 hrs on the highway. Stay out of the trees.
Oh no fun. not looking forward to the day my wings get clipped.
I like teachers and they do a great job of imparting knowledge to others.good job brother, love from india
Awesome video might just give this a try! Those are woodworkers shoes!
Great info, thanks James! 👍👊
Thanks Fred
Great explanation! Thank you
thanks man! congrats on the recent 1K!
Wood By Wright thank you!
Saws, one of the few times you can blame the tool...great video James, thanks for sharing it.
ok come on I blame all my tools. that does not make me right but I do it!
I think we all do at times...
Superb idea
I enjoyed your video thanks for the knowledge!
Thanks Adam my pleasure.
Thanks, very informative
excellent lesson
Good job, thanks.
Wow, you really know your stuff, and explain it well thank you. Bout time someone spoke English
Thorough explanation. Thank you; I’ve got a lot of work to do now…
And speaking of rake, I’ve got to search if you have any such thorough videos on determining rake and splay in chair legs…
P.S. I like that your shop looks like you actually work in it.😁
I have a few old saws that are heirloom tools I’d like to use but am afraid to ruin. They aren’t particularly valuable; just tools that have been passed down and were cared for that I don’t want to be the one ruin. I haven’t sharpened them yet. I’ve been too nervous. I’ve watched a lot of saw sharpening videos. I don’t know if this vid is the one that puts me over the top towards finally doing it, but I feel more confident having watched this.
thanks John. that means a lot. don't worry about messing it up. no matter what you do it will be sharper when it is done. and if you really want to practice you can go and pick up a cheap $5 one at the antique shop.
Agreed, there are plenty of saws out there for $5 or less in garage and estate sales.
Nice work
It is very helpful I shall try it sooner thanks
You are good teacher
Excellent video!
thanks Timothy!
It's like you knew I was going back through saw sharpening vids recently...
In another vid I remember you saying that it's really not worth it to try to restore backsaws. Maybe expand on that and let us know what's different about sharpening your modern backsaw vs sharpening old panel saws?
thnaks. I don't remember saying that. they are a lot harder to find decent back saws that are worth restoring. I have only come across one out in the wild before.
I remember you saying that also but do not remember the vid, it struck me as odd you saying it so I remember that
Thank you very helpful.
I been saw sharpening for many years i even have an automatic filer i get some that need jointing, the teeth are uneven, including circuler saws. once thats done then i sharpen them and then set. Now since most hand saws are cheaper, i only do them in bulk 2 to 3 or more, otherwise it doesn't pay.
Good use of the tape, use it to cover small magnets or a magnetic strip to collect shavings.
Good detail, thanks.
thanks Thomas!
I have a saw that always wants to go left, I never knew the trick with the diamond plate, I'm going to try that. Thank You.
Sweet. Have fun with it.
Looking forward to the cross cut saw
I have several videos out on that now. If you search for Wood By Wright Cross-cut they should pop up for you.
#_@@WoodByWright, thank you.
thank you James. when i see dull cutters i really miss the shop ( tool grinder ) i had access to on the sub - tender i was on in the 70s lol how ever it would not of done the hand saws you show . if its not one thing its another
Lol yup. Love the right tool for the job!
This was a great video to watch. Ty. I have a couple of old saws that belonged to my Pop, and I've been thinking about cleaning them up and having them sharpened. I think it would mean more to me (and Pop) if I did the work myself.
Sweet man. That is what I like to hear.
Very good….. good information
Sharp video ! Pun intended as well as another good video i was a Carpenter/ Woodworker my whole life when i was. In my 20s and 30s I. Gave away a lot of my old hand saws because of downsizing and going thru life issues I could kick myself now. But i try not to cry over spilled milk ? Although i. Do have. A large amount of appreciation. For old tools like quality hand saws , planes. And chisels among others ive found every one of your videos not only entertaining but educational as well i am between shops at the moment but i do hope to set my next one up similar t what you have set up. In the videos in order to do a lot of handwork as now i have my very first Grandchild to build girlie things for that could possibly be treasured for many years
Thanks Craig. sounds like a fun time ahead of you.
very good video. i learned a lot
Thanks. Glad I could help.
Nice tutorial...but even nicer shoes!😏
Good work
great teacher bravo
Very formative it gives me more sense to me to understand clearly how to sharpen a handsaw though I just recently found out that I actually have a kinda man skills, I love fixing any repairs needed to be done in the house, I found that my hidden talent is actually building small things made by scrap pieces which I made a cute little wagon for my bike, but buying handsaw's at a time whenever it gets dull isn't really practical ( money wise) which why would I use scrap pieces for to save some money, or oh yah what the heck like I always tell my kids it'll maybe can help to save our nature if everyone doesn't thrown things away, just maybe for curiosity, I wanna know if there's any of your videos for basic tools for the car as well, not to mention I myself a
So is the mechanic for my car, it works any how I can save up and which your video I just watched you just help me save Extra $ to keep buying handsaw, I've watch a lot of videos and the handsaw I just bought last two weeks ago front teeth are all worn out, too many videos I've watched too much talking made me fall asleep and so confusing instructions it drives me nuts and made me so irritated cause I've to buy another one.. thanks a lot :)
Thanks man. Sounds like a lot of fun. Keep it going!
Great video thanks James. What I would love to see in the crosscut video is an evaluation of whether it is better to get a vintage sawset, or if there are modern manufacturers you could reccommend. I think the veritas set looks great and I was interested in whether you'd suggest getting their saw set's?
thanks Ray! I will be talking about saw sets soon.
Very good explanation. Thank you very much Ray.
Thank you😊
Enjoy the video thanks sir for that 👍👍👍👍👍
Fabulous and very easy to follow..... time for me to have a go and loose my knuckles lol
Good luck. Let me know if you have any questions.
Great video, clear and easy to understand. Thank you. I do have one question regarding gents saws and dovetail saws. how do you set them? as I can only find a Saw tooth setter that goes up to 15tpi and some of these saws can have many more teeth per inch than that.
you can file down the hammer on a set to do those small teeth. that is one of the reasons I do not have anything finer than 16 PPI I just do not have a use for it. and I have not noticed much difference in cut quality.
Wood By Wright thank you. These sort of videos are great. I am an experienced carpenter but I have been drawn more and more to older tools that you don't throw away and these tools are invaluable.
Great Video i liked it
Really good video
thanks Danial
I hope you explain clearly how to keep track of fleam settings on the Lee Valley file guide when flipping sides of the saw on cross cut saws. When I flip the saw end for end to file the other side I always have trouble thinking through how the fleam angle setting on the file guide should be set. I seem to be geometry challenged with the guide;, a rule of thumb to memorize would help.
I will be hitting on that in the next one. It actually becomes simpler the less you think about it. I have the same problem.
Thank you for this wonderful video.I have bunch of questions for you 😀
1)Do we have to joint the saw before every sharpening?
2)I watched Chris Gochner’s video about saw sharpening and he jointed and sharpened a saw twice.What’s the reason of that?
Thanks
I usually do joint all the teeth as the ones in the middle get more wear, but some people do it every other time. some people get really picky about sharpening and will do it once and call it shaping the teeth then a second time and call it sharpening. some will also go onto finer grit files as well. for me I find the benefit of it so slim that it is not worth the time.
THANK YOU
good job
thanks man!
Skills on point or should I say sharpest tool in the box.