The fact that Oscar found Penny “grown enough” to take literal toddlers to a theme park and babysit them but not “grown enough” to date. It’s an issue many black girls face, which is being adultified in ways that are beneficial to those around them but being seen as immature in other ways.
It's a huge confusing double standard that black parents seemingly like to pull on their daughters. I was one of them and I outright told my mom I'm never having grandchildren for her since her forcing me to watch kids all throughout my own childhood really destroyed my desire for wanting my own kids. As far as I'm concerned I did my time
It was the same for me growing up as the eldest Mexican daughter with 2 younger siblings but my cousin who was a year older and was a boy could do anything he wanted. I’m so glad I’m grown now living my best life without no children until I say I’m ready woo 😮💨
I'm not a minority, but I get it. It sucks. I had to be "nature" and watch out for my sisters but couldn't date or hang out with friends when it was my mom's turn with me for custody [her husband's fault, not hers].
Every kids' show had the "fat" episode where a cast member either struggled with weight gain or they met a fat person and learned not to treat them like crap for being fat.
@aliasfakename3159 Fat phobia will ALWAYS need to be fought. Kids are callous with corpulent people but.....even adults are callous toward them really!
@@kenroycherrington148Yes and we had made good strides but are now backsliding because our culture convinced people it was better just not to talk about it, resulting in the younger generation just internalizing the messages
Did you see how quick Penny went crying to him when she needed him to save her siblings yep her siblings they ain't even his problem and he was the one that had to save them is crazy how they went from fat shaming and talking crap to that boy two please save my brother and sister hypocrites and don't get me started on la cienega
@@mushra50in her defense though Penny was just a teenager and kids are gonna be assholes at that age. It doesn't make it right but atleast it's understandable. Now if a grown adult was still teasing someone for being fat then that's just immature.
@ That’s what sucked the most, he literally just met her and the impression she gave was terrible. They really did him dirty. Majority of the show Penny was loathing being “stuck” with him and actively showing, instead of just trying to get to know the guy. With the vibe she was giving I would have left her in the dust way before the twins needed saving. Now that I think about it isn’t he supposed to be a preteen as well? Where are the police, fireman, the owner of the ride or any adults? Dude put his life in danger only for Penny to then realize he’s not so bad.
No one has to date an overweight person. It’s their preference. Remember what y’all say to bi men when women won’t date us? Y’all can’t handle a taste of your own medicine
@@sissysovereign1294 yes but I didn't like the fact that they were body shaming and doing and trying to make him feel bad about himself but did you see how quick they went crying to him when they needed him to save her siblings those aren't even his brother and sister and they expected him to do it
@@baffledbrandon3132 Maybe the fact that she can step all over him. The dude seems to only have a backbone when his own values are threatened in some way in the series.
I will say that it seems to be a part of Spanish culture to refer to others by a noticeable physical trait. Gordito, flaca, negrito, morena, etc. Not usually with negative connotations, just being descriptive.
The focus was on Penny learns to not judge the book by it's cover. The whole reason for the episode was her to see the person for who they are not what they look like.
the mean-spirited nature of that episode struck me to the core, ngl. like, c'mon now, miss boulevardez, we gotta be better than this, you gain nothing being so NASTY 😭 i definitely feel like a part of this episode was the writers trying to execute on fatphobia and how it was positively perceived in the comedy space at the time. i feel like they were really punching down with the punchlines and rebuttals, too much for a lesson to truly encompass them. however, there is a stark contrast between those harsh words and the ending of the episode, where penny learned and grew as a result of her experience with carlos. she figured out how she wanted to approach partnership via her values and what she finds important in the person she chooses to experience life with. she didn't want to sop up the evil, dark nature that exudes from individuals like lacienega (i know she's still young LMAO but that was BAD energy) and plenty of others in the world we live in... the light inside of her shielded her from that way of thinking, at least in the long-term. that is a great thing to put in front of the kids! and tbh, if imma really keep it real... us big dudes really not that bad, not in any regard 🤷🏽♂😁 they was just hating with them jokes! great video babe
My only thing is, she only looked at him differently when he did something for her that she cant repay, literally risking his life. Had the twins not escaped and he didn't save them, would she have came to this conclusion? IDK.
@@hoopaswagg that is definitely up to interpretation. i guess that kind of situation was meant to give penny the understanding that kindness and overall good can come from anyone, no matter how they look, especially relative to the guys that the other girls were on a date with and how they never went to get them towels... they were just talking to other girls. 😭 we'll never know how she'd react without the act of bravery from carlos in this situation. i guess we can just be happy that she grew from her initial thinking. that's all a part of growing up, + she couldn't control the circumstance tbf. interesting perspective, though
Writers thinking that protrying someone as the opposite of their stereotype is progressive is so real! I was having a conversation online with someone where they said they wished a child Muslim character didn’t wear hijab so Muslims could be “normalized”. I also find that similar with how disabled people are represented and how the moral of many disabled stories are related to making the character “useful” to the able bodied characters in another way or they’re secrets geniuses. Is it a stereotype that disabled people can’t do things and that Muslims are always covered up? Yes. But there are disabled people who will struggle with certain tasks and need accommodations and Muslims who do fit that stereotype, and we need to accept them or were just creating a new stereotype. In the thread a lot of people started mentioning a child wearing a hijab is “not realistic or incorrect” because of past media they’re seen. So it’s interesting how new stereotypes can be made when we flip the script so many times people take it as fact.
i’m so confused as to why penny’s parents thought it made sense for Penny to bring INFANTS to an amusement park. unfortunately, a lot of black girls had this childhood. myself included
8:53 and that's the main reason why Penny never takes Oscar seriously or listen to anything he says like most kids do with their parents. Some parents gotta realize just because they are older doesn't mean they can be a dictator to their kids
Great video touching on this subject Back in the early 2000s phone books were still in circulation. Carlos more than likely found penny address from the phone book. Proud is a very unique last name. Also it’s not like he could have called her in her cellphone to meet up with her to give her the bear. Cellphones were not circulated as much with younger people back then.😊
I watched the show first on Disney+ because it wasn't that popular in my country. And I wonder how mean spirited it is sometimes. Other Disney cartoons don't do that 😰
All my life i been picked on my weight people be saying I’m fat that i will break the piano chair and I been called a fatass all the time words do hurt
I became self conscious at 9 when a person I thought was my friend commented on how my legs were bigger than hers and how skinnier she was than me. She even constantly made me believe that she was the only person who’d want to be friends with someone fat. I’m 23 now, and looking back I realize that I was perfectly fine. I wish I didn’t let her comments get to me because that affected how I viewed my body for the rest of those years growing up and even now
i love the new proud family videos! ive been looking for proud family videos that doesnt talks about the same new louder and prouder episode😭 keep up the videos!!
I randomly stumbled on your content yesterday & I really enjoy your deep dives into the proud family & other cartoons. The proud family was sooo good at sneaking in these important life lessons that I let my daughter watch it too 🥰
I wasn’t comfortable in my body until I was 21 I started wearing more crop tops, dresses, shorts, skirts. (I used to be a bigger girl and was bullied for being “too girl”)
Yeah Oscar and Trudy making Penny a 3rd parent by watching 2 wild toddlers all day was so messed up but Oscar deeming her too immature to date is giant double standard
When I saw this recently as an adult I’m thinking to myself why Lacienega fat shaming Carlos I meant she couldn’t talk cause her Dad is a big plumped guy as well.
As someone who grew up with “fat” family members, this episode made me so upset for so many reasons. I hated how they treated Carlos as the butt of the joke.
Growing up as the big kid i can say this episode really irritating. One of the few times a tv show was able to highlight an insecurity i have and make me worse about it
It ain't easy for father (or mother/guardian) to see their daughter begin to mature into a young woman, but it's no excuse to deny her an explanation on why certain things make you uncomfortable. It's unfair to her as an individual, it expresses a lack of trust, and it will lead to her distancing herself from their father (or mother/guardian) as she gets older. If a woman can't confide in the person who raised them, where will they?
I like your take on this episode mainly because this is one of my favourite episodes. . Though I grew up hella skinny, I would never make fun of a person's weight because their character always shined the brightest, hence why I defend my large kings. . Carlos was always my favourite one-off characters who I believe should have gotten more screen time, which is why I dedicated a couple of my art pieces on IG to Penny and Carlos being an item. . No disrespect to Kareem, but my head-canon is Penny♥Carlos. . Peace and much love. . .
and people can laugh if they want to, and this could go for people saying “kids will be kids,” but this is the type of things that could discourage bigger people from trying to have actual social/dating lives since it feels like it’s out of reach, makes some of us feel like we have no real place in the world, no matter how false and pessimistic that statement is.
The best way to explain why you have all the time in your life to be grown, but so little time to be a child, so enjoy being a child because adulthood isn't going anywhere.
Society still hasn't changed. People think it's okay to make someone over weight feel bad and constantly pick at them. It's not the least bit productive. Studies literally show how harmful negative reinforcement is. If you claim to care about someone's health you should also care about their mental health. Bullying them doesn't solve anything. I never understood why people feel the need to treat overweight people so poorly, OTHER than just pure hatred for their existence. And that's something they need to go fix about themselves.
I feel like her conclusion that it’s his character that matters over his looks, along with how fatness is portrayed here, kind of subtly clarifies that the episode does believe that being fat is unattractive. I think that’s my real issue with the injected lesson.
All I gotta say is that a bunch of the ladies who didn't date me in high school or college because I wasn't over 6 foot or had abs don't have the same 'circumference' that they did in their prime... I'm 33 and the last thing I give a crap about is someone turned off by my size when I got way more important things to concern myself with.
I always hated the: ‘I don’t need to explain myself blah blah’ uhm actually YES YOU DO, if you’re telling your kids no or explaining something important you need an ample reason why YOU as the parent said so. Like it irks me that by saying no that’s the end of if it. Really?? And then wonder why teens sneak off and do it
Your explanations are so good to hear because its rare for me to hear someone have such an understanding and care about things such as this topic. Some of the comments under this post say they don’t believe in fat phobia or that fat shaming isn’t real and etc are part of the definition that you read in the video and don’t realize it. Because weight/size can be genetic and not everyone’s metabolism is the same speed. And ive seen so many skinny out of shape people in my own life, im not morbidly obese or whatever but im counted as plus sized and im in pretty good shape. Everyone associates fatness with the automatic idea that the person over eats, is a couch potato, and doesn’t take care of themselves entirely when that is not the case. A lot of us are healthy eaters or are in control over our weight to an extent. People that say to just exercise so that people won’t feel that way about the overweight person are ignorant to the fact that not everyone desires skinniness in the first place and doesn’t know that person’s medical history.
Crazy that im living in a time where people are dissecting this on the Internet where we can all talk about it. I remember watching this in high school and being the fat guy in a all white high school class. This was my life. Hahahaha so interesting to see the comments about this.
I think it’s funny you mentioned how it was growing up with girls and/or being the younger cousin looking up to the older ones. My cousin and I were just talking a few days ago about how it was wanting to hang out with the older cousins and be a part of the conversation. We both questioned why we had those infatuations because we’re 3 months a part and always hung out glued to the hip. Like we’d look up to those cousins but also did our own things
One thing that never sits right is the tripe of “oh the big person is suddenly likeable because that can do a fantastic act of heroism/something super cool” ie buddy here literally hijacking a roller coaster to save the babies. Someone no matter their size shouldn’t have to do the impossible to finally be seen as a person.
Listen: as someone who was put Oscar and Penny positions in life, it's hard out there. Society tells you to not consider people with different body types as not attractive and sometimes you soke up those thoughts without Even knowing
So you brought up that you like doing videos about things that connect with you growing up and I think that's why I really enjoy your videos. Because I grew up in a mostly Caucasian suburb and I would watch TV shows that my friends wouldn't really watch as much. You talking about these shows now let's me get some nostalgia and hear some input about them when I didn't then!
Watching this episode as a kid triggered me. But now that I’m older I’m still cringed out lol. I was always the big girl (still am) my dad used to talk about me behind my back to my stepmom and younger siblings. But I’m glad penny actually gave him a chance.
Damn girl where were you when I was getting bullied 😂 jk lol. I used to be the same way. I sprang into action when I saw others getting bullied, but at some point I lost myself and became a bully myself (like an anti bully cause I only bullied other bullies, to teach them how being bullied feels. Most of the time this would make them stop bullying). I still spring into action, but now I’m able to heal both the bully and the victim with just my maturity 😌
I’ll admit when I was a kid maybe around 8 to 10 years old I had the biggest crush on the skinniest light skin girl and I was a fat kid. There was one more girl I like but she never looked at me that way at 11 years old. But when I got to high school literally began liking big girls and one of them was a twin. She never gave me a chance from 10th to 12th grade though it was other men who believe I was very acceptable but she told them I wasn’t out there enough. Nowadays she’s a single mother 🤷🏾♂️. But sometimes I look back when I was 8 to 11 years old during elementary. There was a big girl in my class in the 6th grade and she was beautiful. She wasn’t conceited at all or nothing and always seem like she was in a happy mood. I remember years ago coming across her social page and it look like she be singing. I hope she’s doing well in life, but when we was kids idk why but I did had a feeling she might’ve been looking at my direction or someone told me. I just didn’t pay attention, but when you’re in elementary school you never know if a relationship could last that from then to maybe 10 years down the line. Believe me I’ve seen couples break away after high school 🤷🏾♂️.
i knew i should have stayed up late but who cares it’s the weekend and this first thing im watchiiiing❤️✨. ( this my 2nd vid watching of you the first was the other proud family with the girls having to act up older❤️)
Well I think its true most people dont want a fat person. I remeber when I was overweight always invisable, then I hit gym girls noticed. Mind you I did not care either ways, because I hit the gym back then to deal with school bullies nothing more. Last but not least, when I was fat, I was dellusional about it. I never saw myself as fat until 20 years later, I saw old photos of myself lol.
The assumption that an overweight person cannot be healthy?. At a certain point of being overweight that is true. Have you ever heard of a show called "My 600 lb life"?. Sometimes people even have surgeries to reduce stomach size to help with extreme obesity.
That’s morbidly obese and there is the issue right there you look at overweight people as morbidly obese. That’s like looking at all people with mental disorders as having schizophrenia
Literally saying you can be obese and healthy is literally an oxymoronic statement as obesity is a disease in it of if self People tend to say "over weight" when they mean obese and mid sized when they mean over weight xD Like them changing the words to make them feel better dosnt change the fact they are infact overweight/ obese I was 300+ lbs at one point. I am in fact terrified of getting back to that size, i couldnt run, i couldnt jump and i got winded walking.., We had blow up rafts.... And i couldnt use mine anymore as .. It sunk with me in it And now that im 130 lbs Last month, me and my sister hiked up / climbed up a side of a mountain on a rope. I wouldn't have been able to if i was the same weight.
The problem begins when getting care, your problems are directly linked to being overweight. It’s a bias. People’s biases don’t allow them to look past their size as being the problem and that can be harmful. Also people can be genetically fat. Again, it’s seen as a moral failing when in some cases it’s just the body they’re born with. So from that point, is the solution to work everyday to go against your own body to just be slim? And being healthy and body image shouldn’t be in the same conversation. Because it just circles back to the goal just being skinny because people fear being fat
@alissajadyn but if their obesity is genetic, that is a disease, a genetic disease so they by definition are not healthy, thus doctors are going to bring it up... Thats not a bias... Thats just common sense, no?
@alissajadyn being OW is a problem though , not BIG or Large but being OW means your bofy weight is over capacity. I do think lots of situations most people onlt care about the beauty standard as opposed to physical health but that doesnt mean being OW is ok. Just you shouldnt look down or form blind opinions on someone appearances (granted most people do anyways)
Ive grown raised by a dad that was pretty similar to oscar, and yes these kind of parents are perfectly fine with the idea that their own child is stupid
It's honestly not surprising that they didn't call LaCienega out on her crap because most episodes (in my recollection) they didn't. I certainly watched The Proud Family (because I watched most Disney Channel shows back in the day) but I could never say I truly liked it because all of Penny's "friends" were so freaking nasty all the time. Even with Zoey being "the nice one" she would be happy to screw over Penny and go along with LaCienega and Dijonay's BS if it suited her better. Penny certainly wasn't perfect but it felt a lot less above and beyond mean.
@alissajadyn Fat shaming is inappropriate (Malapropos) but.......accepted in the media, by kids, by adults, and, ironically, by other overweight people!
The fact that Oscar found Penny “grown enough” to take literal toddlers to a theme park and babysit them but not “grown enough” to date. It’s an issue many black girls face, which is being adultified in ways that are beneficial to those around them but being seen as immature in other ways.
I’m told “act like a child” but also
“Aren’t you too big for cartoons and dolls?”
It's a huge confusing double standard that black parents seemingly like to pull on their daughters. I was one of them and I outright told my mom I'm never having grandchildren for her since her forcing me to watch kids all throughout my own childhood really destroyed my desire for wanting my own kids. As far as I'm concerned I did my time
It was the same for me growing up as the eldest Mexican daughter with 2 younger siblings but my cousin who was a year older and was a boy could do anything he wanted. I’m so glad I’m grown now living my best life without no children until I say I’m ready woo 😮💨
@itsssoisis Hispanic here I'd say it's less of a double standard and more of an emphasis on girls must be protected taken too far
I'm not a minority, but I get it. It sucks. I had to be "nature" and watch out for my sisters but couldn't date or hang out with friends when it was my mom's turn with me for custody [her husband's fault, not hers].
Every kids' show had the "fat" episode where a cast member either struggled with weight gain or they met a fat person and learned not to treat them like crap for being fat.
@aliasfakename3159 Fat phobia will ALWAYS need to be fought. Kids are callous with corpulent people but.....even adults are callous toward them really!
@@kenroycherrington148Yes and we had made good strides but are now backsliding because our culture convinced people it was better just not to talk about it, resulting in the younger generation just internalizing the messages
I remember watching this as a kid and I always felt so bad for the guy. He genuinely was really sweet.
Did you see how quick Penny went crying to him when she needed him to save her siblings yep her siblings they ain't even his problem and he was the one that had to save them is crazy how they went from fat shaming and talking crap to that boy two please save my brother and sister hypocrites and don't get me started on la cienega
@@mushra50in her defense though Penny was just a teenager and kids are gonna be assholes at that age. It doesn't make it right but atleast it's understandable. Now if a grown adult was still teasing someone for being fat then that's just immature.
@ That’s what sucked the most, he literally just met her and the impression she gave was terrible. They really did him dirty. Majority of the show Penny was loathing being “stuck” with him and actively showing, instead of just trying to get to know the guy. With the vibe she was giving I would have left her in the dust way before the twins needed saving. Now that I think about it isn’t he supposed to be a preteen as well? Where are the police, fireman, the owner of the ride or any adults? Dude put his life in danger only for Penny to then realize he’s not so bad.
No one has to date an overweight person. It’s their preference. Remember what y’all say to bi men when women won’t date us? Y’all can’t handle a taste of your own medicine
@@sissysovereign1294 yes but I didn't like the fact that they were body shaming and doing and trying to make him feel bad about himself but did you see how quick they went crying to him when they needed him to save her siblings those aren't even his brother and sister and they expected him to do it
Honestly, Oscar being too immature to explain this topic to Penny makes a lot of sense.
Makes you wonder what Trudy sees in him.
@@baffledbrandon3132 I could blame Suga Mama for Oscar’s behavior, but in this episode, she said they never said Oscar couldn’t date.
@@baffledbrandon3132 Maybe the fact that she can step all over him. The dude seems to only have a backbone when his own values are threatened in some way in the series.
I hate when Oscar thinks he doesn’t need to explain anything to his daughter than gets confused when she’s angry and breaks the rules
The fact that they called Gordo means fatty in Spanish is crazy
Small correction, "fatty" isn't "gordo" in Spanish, that would be "gordito" (the diminutive).
@@20000dino Lmaoo
@@20000dino which is what she called him
My mom gaslight my little brother into thinking it was a nickname for Jesus :(
I will say that it seems to be a part of Spanish culture to refer to others by a noticeable physical trait. Gordito, flaca, negrito, morena, etc. Not usually with negative connotations, just being descriptive.
The focus was on Penny learns to not judge the book by it's cover. The whole reason for the episode was her to see the person for who they are not what they look like.
the mean-spirited nature of that episode struck me to the core, ngl. like, c'mon now, miss boulevardez, we gotta be better than this, you gain nothing being so NASTY 😭 i definitely feel like a part of this episode was the writers trying to execute on fatphobia and how it was positively perceived in the comedy space at the time. i feel like they were really punching down with the punchlines and rebuttals, too much for a lesson to truly encompass them.
however, there is a stark contrast between those harsh words and the ending of the episode, where penny learned and grew as a result of her experience with carlos. she figured out how she wanted to approach partnership via her values and what she finds important in the person she chooses to experience life with. she didn't want to sop up the evil, dark nature that exudes from individuals like lacienega (i know she's still young LMAO but that was BAD energy) and plenty of others in the world we live in... the light inside of her shielded her from that way of thinking, at least in the long-term. that is a great thing to put in front of the kids!
and tbh, if imma really keep it real... us big dudes really not that bad, not in any regard 🤷🏽♂😁 they was just hating with them jokes!
great video babe
Damn my dude that's a lot to read
@@gumpoppersthen don’t even waste your time commenting on it.
My only thing is, she only looked at him differently when he did something for her that she cant repay, literally risking his life. Had the twins not escaped and he didn't save them, would she have came to this conclusion? IDK.
@@hoopaswagg that is definitely up to interpretation. i guess that kind of situation was meant to give penny the understanding that kindness and overall good can come from anyone, no matter how they look, especially relative to the guys that the other girls were on a date with and how they never went to get them towels... they were just talking to other girls. 😭 we'll never know how she'd react without the act of bravery from carlos in this situation. i guess we can just be happy that she grew from her initial thinking. that's all a part of growing up, + she couldn't control the circumstance tbf. interesting perspective, though
@@gumpoppers Shut your illiterate ass, up then
Dijonay trying to play him in the beginning, like shes skinny was insane
Dijonay jones is a messy b to begin with. Bad friend, bad girlfriend, bad babysitter, bad sister
Dijonay wasnt that big 🙄
@@DejaLanaeshe was short with a gut. Sticky didn't even want her. Her BMI must've been crazy and cankles
@@DejaLanae yeah but she still didn't have any room to talk 😂
@@DejaLanaeYeah, but considering she wasn’t skinny she had a lot of nerve.
Honestly, Oscar was a sweet guy. I wish he could’ve appeared again even if him and Penny didn’t work out as a couple.
Carlos?
Oscar is Penny's dad.
Carlos is the name of the plus-sized boy.
@@yanrokbowl28 oh sorry!😅
@@omolaraojo2831 oh sorry man!
@@davidanthonymercado7064NO BC THIS COMMENT SCARED THE SHIT OUTTA MEEE
Seeing the twins throw ice cream in laseiniga face is so satisfying asf truly the best scene in the episode 😅
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@@alissajadynalissa ur lucky i love ur vids or else i would have been right asleep p😭😭😭
Writers thinking that protrying someone as the opposite of their stereotype is progressive is so real! I was having a conversation online with someone where they said they wished a child Muslim character didn’t wear hijab so Muslims could be “normalized”.
I also find that similar with how disabled people are represented and how the moral of many disabled stories are related to making the character “useful” to the able bodied characters in another way or they’re secrets geniuses.
Is it a stereotype that disabled people can’t do things and that Muslims are always covered up? Yes. But there are disabled people who will struggle with certain tasks and need accommodations and Muslims who do fit that stereotype, and we need to accept them or were just creating a new stereotype. In the thread a lot of people started mentioning a child wearing a hijab is “not realistic or incorrect” because of past media they’re seen. So it’s interesting how new stereotypes can be made when we flip the script so many times people take it as fact.
i’m so confused as to why penny’s parents thought it made sense for Penny to bring INFANTS to an amusement park. unfortunately, a lot of black girls had this childhood. myself included
This!!!
They literally have a daycare for them
8:53 and that's the main reason why Penny never takes Oscar seriously or listen to anything he says like most kids do with their parents.
Some parents gotta realize just because they are older doesn't mean they can be a dictator to their kids
Great video touching on this subject
Back in the early 2000s phone books were still in circulation. Carlos more than likely found penny address from the phone book. Proud is a very unique last name. Also it’s not like he could have called her in her cellphone to meet up with her to give her the bear. Cellphones were not circulated as much with younger people back then.😊
No cause when Laci said “and a team bus” referring to Carlos I was gagged 😭 cause uhm that was just wrong 💀
Literally in shock!
I just realized thats what she said after this video. Wild work.
@@micalaking1904 Ik it’s terrible 😭
LaCienega was just like her grandfather. We all seen how Papi treats Suga Mama, insulting her in spanish. LaCienega was cut from the same cloth.
once again, all we learn is that penny has horrid friends
I watched the show first on Disney+ because it wasn't that popular in my country. And I wonder how mean spirited it is sometimes. Other Disney cartoons don't do that 😰
All my life i been picked on my weight people be saying I’m fat that i will break the piano chair and I been called a fatass all the time words do hurt
You didn’t deserve that :(
🫂💕
Thank you
Did you ever try to lose weight? And how did you cope with the name calling?
@ now I lost tons of weight I just try to ignore them or call them ugly
I became self conscious at 9 when a person I thought was my friend commented on how my legs were bigger than hers and how skinnier she was than me. She even constantly made me believe that she was the only person who’d want to be friends with someone fat. I’m 23 now, and looking back I realize that I was perfectly fine. I wish I didn’t let her comments get to me because that affected how I viewed my body for the rest of those years growing up and even now
"according to the blood test you are" im weakk
That part had me crying 😂
You should do the episode where everyone found out about Lacienga’s foot size.
i love the new proud family videos! ive been looking for proud family videos that doesnt talks about the same new louder and prouder episode😭 keep up the videos!!
Appreciate it 😭🫶🏿
I randomly stumbled on your content yesterday & I really enjoy your deep dives into the proud family & other cartoons. The proud family was sooo good at sneaking in these important life lessons that I let my daughter watch it too 🥰
me toooo
Appreciate this so much 🥹
I wasn’t comfortable in my body until I was 21 I started wearing more crop tops, dresses, shorts, skirts. (I used to be a bigger girl and was bullied for being “too girl”)
Man, it just feels like NEITHER era of Proud Family was able to be considered pleasant.
Yeah Oscar and Trudy making Penny a 3rd parent by watching 2 wild toddlers all day was so messed up but Oscar deeming her too immature to date is giant double standard
Saying “ I don’t have to explain myself to a child “ 🙄
To emphasize the fatness, the elephant sound was playing. Also, Sunset's husband's name is Felix.
I corrected myself on the screen. I noticed I was saying the wrong name while editing
What's wrong with the name felix?
YESSSS! A LATE NIGHT SNACK FROM MY GIRL?! Grabbin my crab boil and tuning innn! 🙂↔️
Wait- now I wanna crab boil 😫
@@alissajadyn LISTEN. LOLLLLL! It’s always the best in the middle of the night! Eeee but I’m still so happy you’re posting againnn! ✨
When I saw this recently as an adult I’m thinking to myself why Lacienega fat shaming Carlos I meant she couldn’t talk cause her Dad is a big plumped guy as well.
As someone who grew up with “fat” family members, this episode made me so upset for so many reasons. I hated how they treated Carlos as the butt of the joke.
Growing up as the big kid i can say this episode really irritating. One of the few times a tv show was able to highlight an insecurity i have and make me worse about it
It ain't easy for father (or mother/guardian) to see their daughter begin to mature into a young woman, but it's no excuse to deny her an explanation on why certain things make you uncomfortable. It's unfair to her as an individual, it expresses a lack of trust, and it will lead to her distancing herself from their father (or mother/guardian) as she gets older. If a woman can't confide in the person who raised them, where will they?
I like your take on this episode mainly because this is one of my favourite episodes.
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Though I grew up hella skinny, I would never make fun of a person's weight because their character always shined the brightest, hence why I defend my large kings.
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Carlos was always my favourite one-off characters who I believe should have gotten more screen time, which is why I dedicated a couple of my art pieces on IG to Penny and Carlos being an item.
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No disrespect to Kareem, but my head-canon is Penny♥Carlos.
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Peace and much love.
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and people can laugh if they want to, and this could go for people saying “kids will be kids,” but this is the type of things that could discourage bigger people from trying to have actual social/dating lives since it feels like it’s out of reach, makes some of us feel like we have no real place in the world, no matter how false and pessimistic that statement is.
I still can’t get over THE FACT THAT ZOEY GOT DA BLACK DUDE N I THOUGHT SHE WOULD GO FOR THE WHITE ONE 💀💀💀💀
The best way to explain why you have all the time in your life to be grown, but so little time to be a child, so enjoy being a child because adulthood isn't going anywhere.
This is the realest thing! Perfectly said
Fatphobia always seems more acceptable when it's towards guys
Society still hasn't changed. People think it's okay to make someone over weight feel bad and constantly pick at them. It's not the least bit productive. Studies literally show how harmful negative reinforcement is. If you claim to care about someone's health you should also care about their mental health. Bullying them doesn't solve anything. I never understood why people feel the need to treat overweight people so poorly, OTHER than just pure hatred for their existence. And that's something they need to go fix about themselves.
I feel like her conclusion that it’s his character that matters over his looks, along with how fatness is portrayed here, kind of subtly clarifies that the episode does believe that being fat is unattractive. I think that’s my real issue with the injected lesson.
All I gotta say is that a bunch of the ladies who didn't date me in high school or college because I wasn't over 6 foot or had abs don't have the same 'circumference' that they did in their prime...
I'm 33 and the last thing I give a crap about is someone turned off by my size when I got way more important things to concern myself with.
Exactly my friend
Im so glad you're getting the engagement you deserve. Keep making these they're fun :)
Let’s be honest people saying they care about fat people for health reasons are the same people just saying things like Laci for a laugh. 😅
I always hated the: ‘I don’t need to explain myself blah blah’ uhm actually YES YOU DO, if you’re telling your kids no or explaining something important you need an ample reason why YOU as the parent said so. Like it irks me that by saying no that’s the end of if it. Really?? And then wonder why teens sneak off and do it
I hated when my parents said “because” cause that just tells me you got more reason
Your explanations are so good to hear because its rare for me to hear someone have such an understanding and care about things such as this topic. Some of the comments under this post say they don’t believe in fat phobia or that fat shaming isn’t real and etc are part of the definition that you read in the video and don’t realize it. Because weight/size can be genetic and not everyone’s metabolism is the same speed. And ive seen so many skinny out of shape people in my own life, im not morbidly obese or whatever but im counted as plus sized and im in pretty good shape. Everyone associates fatness with the automatic idea that the person over eats, is a couch potato, and doesn’t take care of themselves entirely when that is not the case. A lot of us are healthy eaters or are in control over our weight to an extent. People that say to just exercise so that people won’t feel that way about the overweight person are ignorant to the fact that not everyone desires skinniness in the first place and doesn’t know that person’s medical history.
Stop shaming people and characters who are fat, and i say fat as a way of acceptance for what they are physically and proudly
Bro I watched this episode as a kid and I just wanted to give that guy a hug so badly bro like I would have been his friend
Crazy that im living in a time where people are dissecting this on the Internet where we can all talk about it. I remember watching this in high school and being the fat guy in a all white high school class. This was my life. Hahahaha so interesting to see the comments about this.
Me watching this @2am 👁👄👁
Same lmfao
Same here 😭
I think it’s funny you mentioned how it was growing up with girls and/or being the younger cousin looking up to the older ones. My cousin and I were just talking a few days ago about how it was wanting to hang out with the older cousins and be a part of the conversation. We both questioned why we had those infatuations because we’re 3 months a part and always hung out glued to the hip. Like we’d look up to those cousins but also did our own things
Really appreciate this take!!! Looking forward to the next one
And then Penny neeeever talked to him again
I'm liking these videos! Please do the episode "Rumors" next 🤞
What Proud Family episode was Penny not supposed to publicly disobey Oscar and Trudy and throw a party?
Poor Carlos. I knew a person with the body type like that and I still confuse me like that he would be unhealthy. He cant be like the usual thin male.
One thing that never sits right is the tripe of “oh the big person is suddenly likeable because that can do a fantastic act of heroism/something super cool” ie buddy here literally hijacking a roller coaster to save the babies. Someone no matter their size shouldn’t have to do the impossible to finally be seen as a person.
I was just thinking about this episode and how evil LaCienega is and the ice cream ending she got -🦶🏾
I feel bad for Carlos, hes sweet imo
They need an episode about skinny shaming!
My boyfriend is a big man, and he's healthier than I am. And I'm a former athlete 😂😂.
Listen: as someone who was put Oscar and Penny positions in life, it's hard out there. Society tells you to not consider people with different body types as not attractive and sometimes you soke up those thoughts without Even knowing
Watching these and your other proud family video. My god this show is mean spirited smh especially when it comes to Penny’s friends
Yup, even Oscar fatshames the fat guy by saying, "He's eating us out of house and home."
Yes! It didn’t stop even in the end!
Legg0, missed a bunch of your content due to being subbed up on everyone, but glad to see a new bid
Just got your channel recommend and glad it was 👍🏿Cool video. Thanks
Omd i absolutely love your videos one of my favourite UA-camrs!
You’re so sweet 🥹 thank you 💞💞💞
I honestly thought he was cute at 12
Probably same here. I say probably because I'm barely old enough to remember this ep.
So you brought up that you like doing videos about things that connect with you growing up and I think that's why I really enjoy your videos. Because I grew up in a mostly Caucasian suburb and I would watch TV shows that my friends wouldn't really watch as much. You talking about these shows now let's me get some nostalgia and hear some input about them when I didn't then!
Watching this episode as a kid triggered me. But now that I’m older I’m still cringed out lol. I was always the big girl (still am) my dad used to talk about me behind my back to my stepmom and younger siblings. But I’m glad penny actually gave him a chance.
Damn girl where were you when I was getting bullied 😂 jk lol. I used to be the same way. I sprang into action when I saw others getting bullied, but at some point I lost myself and became a bully myself (like an anti bully cause I only bullied other bullies, to teach them how being bullied feels. Most of the time this would make them stop bullying). I still spring into action, but now I’m able to heal both the bully and the victim with just my maturity 😌
This young man was such a great character. Wish they'd given him more episodes.
I’ll admit when I was a kid maybe around 8 to 10 years old I had the biggest crush on the skinniest light skin girl and I was a fat kid. There was one more girl I like but she never looked at me that way at 11 years old.
But when I got to high school literally began liking big girls and one of them was a twin. She never gave me a chance from 10th to 12th grade though it was other men who believe I was very acceptable but she told them I wasn’t out there enough. Nowadays she’s a single mother 🤷🏾♂️. But sometimes I look back when I was 8 to 11 years old during elementary. There was a big girl in my class in the 6th grade and she was beautiful. She wasn’t conceited at all or nothing and always seem like she was in a happy mood. I remember years ago coming across her social page and it look like she be singing. I hope she’s doing well in life, but when we was kids idk why but I did had a feeling she might’ve been looking at my direction or someone told me. I just didn’t pay attention, but when you’re in elementary school you never know if a relationship could last that from then to maybe 10 years down the line. Believe me I’ve seen couples break away after high school 🤷🏾♂️.
Poor thing I felt bad for him. He was so sweet even when they were mean to him 🥺
i knew i should have stayed up late but who cares it’s the weekend and this first thing im watchiiiing❤️✨. ( this my 2nd vid watching of you the first was the other proud family with the girls having to act up older❤️)
Well I think its true most people dont want a fat person. I remeber when I was overweight always invisable, then I hit gym girls noticed. Mind you I did not care either ways, because I hit the gym back then to deal with school bullies nothing more. Last but not least, when I was fat, I was dellusional about it. I never saw myself as fat until 20 years later, I saw old photos of myself lol.
Hated this episode and how they tried to do him 😭
Yes omg 😭
The assumption that an overweight person cannot be healthy?. At a certain point of being overweight that is true. Have you ever heard of a show called "My 600 lb life"?. Sometimes people even have surgeries to reduce stomach size to help with extreme obesity.
That’s morbidly obese and there is the issue right there you look at overweight people as morbidly obese. That’s like looking at all people with mental disorders as having schizophrenia
Literally saying you can be obese and healthy is literally an oxymoronic statement as obesity is a disease in it of if self
People tend to say "over weight" when they mean obese and mid sized when they mean over weight xD
Like them changing the words to make them feel better dosnt change the fact they are infact overweight/ obese
I was 300+ lbs at one point.
I am in fact terrified of getting back to that size, i couldnt run, i couldnt jump and i got winded walking..,
We had blow up rafts.... And i couldnt use mine anymore as .. It sunk with me in it
And now that im 130 lbs
Last month, me and my sister hiked up / climbed up a side of a mountain on a rope.
I wouldn't have been able to if i was the same weight.
The problem begins when getting care, your problems are directly linked to being overweight. It’s a bias. People’s biases don’t allow them to look past their size as being the problem and that can be harmful.
Also people can be genetically fat. Again, it’s seen as a moral failing when in some cases it’s just the body they’re born with. So from that point, is the solution to work everyday to go against your own body to just be slim? And being healthy and body image shouldn’t be in the same conversation. Because it just circles back to the goal just being skinny because people fear being fat
@alissajadyn but if their obesity is genetic, that is a disease, a genetic disease
so they by definition are not healthy, thus doctors are going to bring it up... Thats not a bias... Thats just common sense, no?
@alissajadyn being OW is a problem though , not BIG or Large but being OW means your bofy weight is over capacity. I do think lots of situations most people onlt care about the beauty standard as opposed to physical health but that doesnt mean being OW is ok. Just you shouldnt look down or form blind opinions on someone appearances (granted most people do anyways)
That my dear is the best character in the show
He was the best before the reboot never to be forgotten 0:11
Oscar is just going to end up teaching her to accept authority just because... im sure thats going to lead to healthy relationships
Watching a as told by Kenya patreon video is too relatable 😂😂😂
Love her 😭
Ive grown raised by a dad that was pretty similar to oscar, and yes these kind of parents are perfectly fine with the idea that their own child is stupid
It's honestly not surprising that they didn't call LaCienega out on her crap because most episodes (in my recollection) they didn't. I certainly watched The Proud Family (because I watched most Disney Channel shows back in the day) but I could never say I truly liked it because all of Penny's "friends" were so freaking nasty all the time. Even with Zoey being "the nice one" she would be happy to screw over Penny and go along with LaCienega and Dijonay's BS if it suited her better. Penny certainly wasn't perfect but it felt a lot less above and beyond mean.
Crazy I’ve always loved bigger guys. I don’t like the word fat bc it’s mean but girllllllaaaa I love me some extra meat. That’s extra cuddles 🥰
The ABC doug episode had fatphobia, full house and even sesame street short had fat phobia in it
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It's more, "I hate my spouse" old time comedy...
15:05 IS THAT MAN ALIVE?? 😭
What about the movie Hot chicks
@alissajadyn Fat shaming is inappropriate (Malapropos) but.......accepted in the media, by kids, by adults, and, ironically, by other overweight people!
Imma keep it real, I was gordito
You listen to as told by Kenya?! Subbed
Yes! For yearssss 😭 thank you for the sub!
THE BLOOD TEST??? Why tf did Oscar get a dna test? 💀
Right! like whoa 😭
That would be me, I'm nobody I'm nobody that wanted the fat guy cause he was my cartoon crush❤
im watching this at 7am
We just up fr
looks always mattered.
Watch old Fat Albert episodes, he would get ripped on constsntly.
Real shame Carlos didn't show up again. And his name seems to imply that he's Afro-Latino? Did Proud Family have any other Afro-Latinos?
Amazing Video🤩😮🥺😔😊❤️
Has this show ever done an episode about colorism?
I believe in the reboot
I woke up early to see this video
Good morning! 😁
It’s crazy he sounds like a notorious big knockoff lmfaooo