Religion Without Belief? - Rupert Sheldrake, Paul Kingsnorth and Philip Goff
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This episode is part of our Meeting of the Minds series in which we bring together leading thinkers from different backgrounds to discuss topics of mutual interest.
The topic is “religion without belief” in which we explore to what extent it is possible to benefit from religious practices, without fully adopting the associated belief systems.
The speakers are Rupert Sheldrake, Paul Kingsnorth, and Philip Goff, and some of the key points discussed include:
- How they arrived at their current understanding and the spiritual experiences that have had the biggest impact on them
- What our culture’s increasing drive towards secularisation might be costing us - both individually and collectively.
- Whether it is possible to pick and choose ‘parts’ of a religion without adopting it fully
And more.
You can learn more about their work by going to www.sheldrake.org, www.paulkingsnorth.net, and www.philipgoffphilosophy.com.
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Rupert Sheldrake is a biologist and author of more than 85 scientific papers, who was named among the top 100 Global Thought Leaders for 2013. He studied natural sciences at Cambridge University, then philosophy and the history of science at Harvard, before returning to Cambridge, where he took a Ph.D. in biochemistry. He is the author of 13 books, including “The Science Delusion”, “Science and Spiritual Practices”, and “Ways to Go Beyond”.
Paul Kingsnorth is a former journalist and deputy editor of The Ecologist magazine who has won several awards for his poetry and essays. He is also the author of ten books: both fiction and nonfiction. In 2009, he co-founded the Dark Mountain Project, an international network of writers, artists, and thinkers in search of new stories for troubled times.
Dr Philip Goff is a Professor of Philosophy at Durham University, whose main research focus is consciousness, but he is interested in many questions about the nature of reality. Goff is most known for defending panpsychism, the view that consciousness is a fundamental and ubiquitous feature of the physical world. He has authored an academic book with Oxford University Press - Consciousness and Fundamental Reality - and a book aimed at a general audience - Galileo’s Error. He is currently working on a book exploring the middle ground between God and atheism.
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Interview Links:
- Galileo’s Error - Philip Goff: amzn.to/3EFCByV
- Why religion without belief can still make perfect sense - Philip Goff: psyche.co/ideas/why-religion-...
- Philip’s website: www.philipgoffphilosophy.com
- Paul’s website: www.paulkingsnorth.net
- The Cross and the Machine - Paul Kingsnorth: www.firstthings.com/article/2...
- The Abbey of Misrule (Paul’s newsletter): paulkingsnorth.substack.com
- Science and Spiritual Practices - Rupert Sheldrake: amzn.to/3CBBNsj
- Ways to Go Beyond and Why They Work - Rupert Sheldrake: amzn.to/3TaqG0n
- Rupert’s website: www.sheldrake.org
- Rupert’s UA-cam Channel: / rupertsheldrakephd
You do Not need to believe in light...it just shines🌟🌈🐞
Beautiful and perfect comment… thank you!
Sheldrake's expressions during this talk are simply priceless. For those who love the nuance of.
I appreciate Paul's defense of the content of Christian belief. I feel that Rupert misunderstood him in his response
Amerians have nothing to do with anglicanism. If you are from these places you would know all he schools are anglican. He says he is atheist they say this almost all of them and its the end of their philosophical or theological debate it is actually agnostic. All this beatnic type experience he does or has done is like experiences in a car crash, non western life is opposed to imperialism and psychadelics are poison for the body and brain. Let me tell you have used and taken mescalin more then a few times Americans should be much more aware of Sheldrakes outakes and long outstanding influence on western thought he is the John Lennon or Al Gore of these times.
😅😅😊 6:21 6:22 6:24 6:34 😊 7:19
Rupert understood him perfectly well and addressed the points he raised with characteristic patience and eloquence.
I love Rupert
The key in the early church was that all were welcome to come, then there were catechumens who were initiates, but only the fully confirmed believers were considered part of the Body of Christ and could partake in the Lord's supper.
I'm with Spinoza and Kastrup, nature is God, and nature is mental, so I guess I have belief without religion.
I love Paul.
Me too ❤
As much I can a dude, me too!
The harsh thing about religion is that it's not whether or not it's true but what's the headcount of people who believe it and how much you do or don't enjoy social networking even if you can't take what it's centered around literally. Then if you end up in a spot where you'd say something most people haven't heard of, like Hermetic or Neoplatonist for example, there isn't a very big community and you won't feel like there's much interpersonal opportunity. That might sound cynical but I really get the impression that for most people it's really not about belief but just going to see a lot of other people who have some agreed upon set of principles (thus you get a fairly known rather than unknown quality).
Amen Paul on surrender.
Thanks guys, an interesting masterclass in tolerance and cooperation across the spectrum of belief and faith.
Niall should get a medal for this one.
Wonderful conversation. I’ve read several of Rupert’s books already; Philip’s “Galileo’s Error”; looking forwards to reading Paul’s book too.
I'm a non-denominational Christian who's progressing towards type of Catholic mysticism. Sometimes I don't quite know what it is I believe. There are the things I'm certain on, the things I suspect, and all the things I've yet to learn and comprehend.
Join a church. make a commitment. The best one you know. All will become clear.
Check out Orthodox Church, their saints
About Seraphim Rose too, modern American saintly person
@@FirstnameLastname-py3bcOne of the things that compels me to Catholicism is how long the Roman Church has lasted. It doesn't take much for institutions to blindly walk off a cliff into the dustbin of history.
The church is also full of stupidity and corruption too, but yet it's still somehow here: An anachronism in the modern world, a constant that has withstood centuries of changes.
The conclusion I've arrived at...Is that the Roman Catholic Church is still here because it isn't allowed to not be here...God will ensure it remains.
I have nothing against Orthodox Christianity, but God didn't give similar protection to the Byzantine Empire.
I'd like to know what you think.
@@howardmctroy3303 well Buddhism lasted longer that doesn't make it right per se. And Catholic Church is there only for 1000 years (changing dogma = different beliefs, dogma in first 1000 years remained unchanged, since 1000 it began changing for Catholicism, so... Not same Church as before in my eyes)
Byzantine Empire fell exactly when they briefly became Uniates (Eastern Catholics), so there's that for that theory
And remember early Church had no state-scale support, in fact were in catacombs, that kind of approach would mean Jesus was wrong for 300 years...
Blessed Augustine even says in this regard that fall of Rome to Barbarians at that time wasn't because of Christianity
But there's a leeway in that assessment
As in Acts of the Apostles and other letters - Church fails when it fails to have dogma (letters to Judaizers) or lost communion (lampstands of 7 Churches being removed)
There's a lot to say there but look deeply is my suggestion. Roman Catholics simply lack few fundamentals of Christianity, like "mysticism" - it quite misunderstands patristic understanding, from what I've looked into when Catholic theologians look at Church fathers they misread meanings of concepts, "prayer of heart" is famous example
Having in itself multiple competing theologies, having saints that are also condemned heretics
The list can go on and on and on, you have to look into it yourself
Has bogus historical claims (that itself admitted to be based on counterfeit evidences)
You really have to look yourself with fresh and really kind mind
Christ is the truth, the way and the life
Christ is Truth so if Christ's Body has untruth in it's claims then it's not true Body of Christ
When Christianity is understood from proper perspective (that I claim to be the Christian perspective) - whole theology and philosophical claims and whole worldview whole outlook to the world is is like a music to the mind, it's not "it makes no sense" but contrary - "oh wow I always experienced this in the real world"
Christianity is not just truth, but 100% Truth. In fact - truth itself is created by Christ, and if saints of any body and it's theology and worldview has errors about the world - then it's not of Christ.
Logically true too.
Can one become Christian by force? (I.e forced to become Christian)
In Orthodoxy there is no error in dogma, it's same as always been
Temporal powers - Christ didn't come for temporal peace, in fact He promises sword
Peace and prosperity is promised by the evil one.
Sunni Islam has a "promise" that is actually true: "Allah is sparing to those nations that has either good discipline or a caring ruler(system)"
Which is true observation, so a promise of just another beast religion is peace and prosperity for its subjects
Great speakers and very interesting topic. ❤️🍎
Religion comes from the Latin religare meaning "to bind together" as in "the ties that bind," or more aptly expressed, union with divinity. It means exactly the same as the Sanskrit word yug, the root word of Yoga. Union with divinity is not a matter of belief. It is a matter of gnosis: Self-Evident Experiential Knowledge (that which we SEEK on the Path of 'religiosity')...to know (gno). This is the True meaning of the word faith. To be faithful to one's mortal beloved, means to know them intimately (in the biblical sense), at the exclusion of all other "false beloveds." Thus, to be faithful to one's immortal beloved, one must know experientially one's Innermost Being, one's intimate Individuated Essence of The Logos within. This is not a matter of belief. It is a Truth embodied in the universal ancient tenet "know thy Self and you will know the universe and the gods." Belief is little more than machinations in the rational mind: hypnosis and ignorance, the antitheses of gnosis. What's more, hypnosis and ignorance constitute a state of suffering. Confusion. Unawareness. And, as mentioned, ignorance of one's Self. To be ignorant of Self is to be ignorant of Divinity, to live separated from one's own Innermost Essence of God...fumbling and bumbling in the dark, led astray by psychological malware...many "I's" which constitute the false self: fear, lust, pride, anger, greed, laziness, et al. That false self is called Shaitan in Hebrew and Arabic: "the adversary." The adversary which in no uncertain terms is the cause of all suffering; responsible for what we ironically understand as the human condition. The human-like machines populating this planet are merely intellectual hominids. That is why A.I. will never be conscious, just as the rational minds which they were designed to mimic are not truly conscious. To be a True human being, we mortal vessels must SEEK Metamind of Being. And what's more, achieve union with our True Self. This process is not a matter of belief. It is a matter of metaphysical scientific fact: to be or not to be. To consciously experience the Analogous Ultimately Methodology of Life...the metaparadigm at the heart of all phenomena in the universe, ourselves included. Details here: ua-cam.com/video/1LdUnZzexDg/v-deo.html
Great conversation! Wow.
Absolutely cracking stuff
Good on you Paul for calling things as they are, listening to this lukewarm version of “christianity” is excruciating.
They are happy with playing snakes & ladders while you’re trying your best to explain chess.
They don’t even want to know a better game.
To believe means you are either in the past that is no more, or the future that haven't come yet.
God got to be now in this present moment in the gap between the coming thoughts.
There is a wanting for a spiritual social group with activities and traditions that should be created but there is a limitation due the the use of substances which would be my case. Not everyone can have a monthly get together and take shrooms/LSD/DMT and just experience things together. There is a legal limitation in this case yet to me it can be the answer we are looking for. I would love to be able to guide people through this experiences and to talk about it afterwards in a frequent get-together.
1:16:00 - @ Philip Goff on the 'strange turns' we've taken - I think a lot of it over the past several centuries has been cultural and economic arms races, that materialism either in science or industry made more money, produced results, and hence we became materialist because we saw not only what made economic progress but what 'won' in socioeconomic competition and quite a bit in line with Hoffman's 'fitness beats truth' people drifted away from anything 'deep' or 'nourishing' and really just wanted to know how to win at every turn. I like Eric Weinstein's way of putting it as well that we were picking low-hanging fruit from a particular orchard of industrially applicable ideas and we've almost exhausted it - which might have a lot to do with why we're at a cultural crisis point.
For philosophical discussion would be really great to have Jay Dyer or Fr Dcn Ananias
~~~ I absolutely love this. I'm more than weep for my inherited alignment with Druidary. I believe in the greater good and an evolutionary natural psychological sociological phenomenon that will take itself up and civilizations if given the wind and breath to do so. I love to study how language and technology and Consciousness have changed. I pray for universal love.~~~
I think Paul would like Karl Barth and his insistence on the centrality of Christ out over the bible. Also I don't know if anyone here has checked into Boehme or the Martinist traditions as well (Voix Cardiaque, Elus Cohen, etc.) - Meditation's On The Tarot's 'unknown author' was steeped in the later tradition.
I'm an ex-atheist.
I like the gambling analogy of Pascal's Wager. It's like a horse race. Everyone has a horse they're betting on. Death is the finish line. Atheism is a wager, too. A big one. :)
@Alfred Athelstan Yep. If atheists are right, they'll never know. If they're wrong, they miss out on the most important truth there is.
Unfortunately animals which have more machine language then humans have their own machine learning that is always whole man or humankind is opposed to this and separate from it is the herd.
Please,you get to know the marvelous and profound work of Pietro Ubaldi, especially The Great Synthesis!!! Great philosopher and thinker about conection between spirituality and science! He predicted the existence of gravitational waves in 1935!
Theres a Ubaldi School here on the coast in the Bay Area these speakers cant and have never grasped the landsacpe for science beyond genesis what is convenient isnt always best though.
Please tell more about the Tamil Nadu ashram.Still there? I live in Asia.
48:25 - yeah, definitely unknowing. Whatever John Gray is I'm pretty close to that.
Omg rupert dzogchen sooo smashes this show
I've aways admired Christ and believed in his good faith but remained sceptical about religion. However, an unexpected and powerful feeling of blessing one quiet evening a few years ago - I wasn't on anything! - has made me certain there's another realm beyond our customary 3D. I assume it came via my dead mother, a good woman who, despite a hard life, would grin and say, "I'm a sceptic but with my fingers crossed in my pocket". I've included it in my philosophical novel "Green Fire" 🌈🦉
Very interesting talk. I think these kind of discussions are really important.
I too is one of those who might say Im "spiritual" and "believe in something higher" but wouldnt say Im religious or "christian". Although I do think as Rupert says that Im most definitely christian due to living in a society that have been christian for long. That is Sweden in my case.
If one look at the Swedish Church it is also much less literal than maybe most other churches in the world and there have been a shift to make it more "approachable". I do think this is a step in the right direction but more needs to be done if more people are going to accept "going back" into religion as it were.
I do see a big question being how the church can "keep up with the times" and at the same time not loose its core.
In one way I most definitely think cannot operate as it did. People in general are not interested in the old kind of christianity. So it will have to evolve if it hope to stay relevant. The dogma, traditions etc that feel foreign and outdated should be removed/changed .
The important thing must be the spiritual core, the good values etc plus the community aspects. Religion should be the spiritual and societal back bone. Its obvious that our current societies lack that spine that religion can give. But how to acchieve it without regurgitating the bible etc of old is tricky.
I think one thing that many christians miss when they talk about the importance of the church, priests and how people should be "like Jesus" is that Jesus was most definitely opposed to churches and priests! Jesus was a gnostic and so if you want to "be like Jesus" it is the inner spiritual practice you should be interested in primarily.
"christianity" is an after construct that actually in a way exploited Jesus. One must not forget the advent of the christian church was a control aparatus put in place during a falling Roman empire.
That is not to say that the church have been without meaning and that its been all bad or anything like that. There are some very bad elements of horrendeous oppression during the churchs history.
But I think that many people have conflated those bad examples of opressive control with the religious practices and traditions. And as such have thrown out the baby with the bathwater.
The challenge for a modern christan church is to bring forth the baby and ensure that the bathwater is gone and replaced with that wich is congruent with the times now and in the future.
And I think a very good step in the right direction is to be more "like Jesus". That is the emphasis on the spiritual,gnostic aspects of the religion as it was practices by Jesus.
Becoming a christian isn't enough insight.(we all do this).Jung said dont follow the eastern path.I love both.
1:05:15 Being an atheist isn't the same as being solipsistic, that's silly. Ain't no rule says I can't talk out loud as an atheist and pretend to pray so other conscience beings can grant my wishes and tell me it was their god granting wishes. My prayers usually work since I don't need to look for greater beings, just regular ones. Hey, is an Artificial Intelligence considered to be on a greater level of consciousness? I mean, it would be aware of things normal conscious beings couldn't. 1:07:02 Why?
Too much common axioms. It is just christian kindness and openness at the end.
I'm vey sorry for You guys . i believe in God whatever You say . Only with God everything is stable and makes sense .
11:11 to cut the paradox short. Stillness is noisy and annoying, it is like this. Get to work if you want to be regular. You are the judge and I am is distracting you from the annoying stillness. Lest we forget. So, belief without religion, might be a better title? But that could be construed as political brainwashing. "Gratefulness" is founded by a Catholic Monk (Brother David) who was commissioned to retreat and learn Zen Buddhism by the Pope.
This is interesting.could you say more about stillness is noisy.
If you have a true awakening - if you come to ‘know’ - if you ever do get chosen and are thereby “born again” , like Paul here (and me, too,) … you do have a completely different grasp on things like Faith and Belief… Christ becomes absolutely unequivocally True.
But I’m buggered if I know how to convince a chap like the one in the bottom right of the screen here… He’s clearly not a believer - so how in all good conscience can I call him a Christian?
I call myself one, so maybe this is presumptuous… and most wrong of me… yeah….
I pray that I’m one - a Christian - and every day I try to do better to emulate Him and to find my better self - I FEAR God, too…
Perhaps herein is an answer…
To believe in God through Jesus Christ is a narrow and difficult path and you cling to Him in fear of letting Him down. Fear and total Fatherly love are so linked.
God Bless Paul Kingsnorth - I think he’s got it, too… I feel like he has - even if I remain an Anglican for all my brotherly longing to join Orthodoxy officially…
(I remain a Gafcon sympathizing rainbow flag dodging Anglican - - which is not so easy either… I am old and I do so because I am a stalwart old codger - and I will not desert the sinking ship as I am a believer that God wants me to fight the gruesome perversion by these secular interlopers of His ancient English Church).
ALSO I adore Roman Catholic (especially Irish and Mexican) Christian brothers and sisters - AND some Baptist ones, too!
I just love REAL Christians wherever you all are!
Peace!
And peace to you. Thank you for your comment - not often I come across those who have been awakened to return to God [I am one of them too!], and although God is enough for me, these testimonials are comforting.
God bless you.
Please 🙏 write ✍️✍️ on Palestine
I think you guys need to chill out and play the game Rimworld and spend some time creating some ideologies for your Simulated colonies to follow. It's interesting.
It's much easier to find one's identity by accepting Christianity than to find one's own identity through self exploration into one's mind.
or what's observing the mind/thoughts.
If you want something done right you have to do it yourself. Most people don't really care to delve deep into understanding, they just want a well accepted simple answer that absolves their conscience.
The bible thumper guy was tough to listen too.
'Despiritualization is dehumanisation' - Francis Berger.
Well, I'm autistic (subhuman) and totally reject the narcissism and sophism of 'spirituality'.
spirituality is something you know not how you are.
@@paulheath885 Then why are these 'spiritual' utterly mindless?
Imagine being religious and being threatened by this! 😂
Was expecting Advaita Vedanta or Buddhism or something similar
What a disappointment, where's the "without" belief? Oh, it's a bashing of atheism instead
Agreed, ridiculous title.
You are spot on. I was wondering that too. "Finding my / your religion with BELIEF" would be more appropriate. This is not about without belief, but "emotionally driven" find a religion with belief for one's emotional comfort without any proven substance.
Paul is quite left brained.
It is a sad fact that none of these men know the Lord Jesus as their Saviour. None of them have spoken of the fact that they, like all of us, are sinners by nature who need to be redeemed. They prefer to blame God for the corruption in the world rather than the sinfulness of fallen man. What they have is Religion, but not Faith.
@@tonyburton419 So true, Tony. But I think it is important to warn people who watch this anti-scriptural nonsense that only trusting in Christ is the Way to forgiveness, cleansing and salvation. Many people, like these poor men, don't recognise the fact that they, like all of us, are sinners by nature, and that only Christ can redeem us, on the grounds of His death on the cross and His victorious resurrection.
Only through putting our faith in Christ can any of us be cleansed of our sins, and be made fit for the glory to come. Not because we are better than anybody else, but because we have placed our trust in, and committed our eternal destiny to the care of the Lord who created us, who delights in mercy and forgiveness to everyone who goes to Him in faith. And those who lack faith and ask God to grant them saving faith will receive it; He turns nobody away.
Empty intellectual verbosity, such as this video illustrates, passes away into the wind, having achieved nothing, except perhaps the titillation of the ego. Those who reject the wonderful gospel of Christ will, sadly, die in their sins and be forever tragically separated from God, the Source of all Love, Peace and Joy. I hope these men repent of their unbelief and come to know the first joy of salvation, and having Christ in their lives and in their hearts. For those who belong to Christ, it is a joy to wake each day, and to wait for that far better day when He returns for His own. if anybody reading this does not know Christ as their Saviour, I beseech you to ask God to grant you faith in His Son. He will surely grant your request, and you will have a life transformed as you cannot now dream of. Don't put your trust in a church, or in baptism, or in good works, but in Christ alone.
@@williambunter3311 The old testament god is a lie and impersonator. Nothing they represent is worth considering, look at the new vatican 'church room' and all it shows. Inhuman spectacles that represent a disconnected evil with no relation to what Christ really represented. You may call it heresy or gnosticism, i call it seeing things for what they are; infiltration by foreign forces. Being co-opted by idols and unfamiliar horrors is far worse than not recognizing you are wrong. Recognizing the nature of our planet instead of pledging fealty to demons and creatures from elsewhere is always preferable. Abrahamic tales are misdirection full stop.
@@williambunter3311 Judge not, lest ye be judged, as I believe somebody once said.
I can't speak for anyone else, but I'm an Orthodox Christian and am quite aware of the tenets of the faith, and the reality of Christ. I also sometimes find it useful to talk to people who believe otherwise, or are sincerely seeking.
It is easy to inflame our own spiritual pride by preaching our righteousness to others and explaining how wrong they are. It is less clear how useful it is.
@@Peekay72 I really don't know where you are coming from, Paul. I have not preached my own righteousness becauae I have no righteousness of my own. I am a sinner, saved by God's grace through faith in His Son. I am not better than anybody else, and would never claim to be. I am not going to heaven because of anything I have done to deserve it, but because I have put my trust in the crucified and risen Lord Jesus who alone is Righteous and without sin. His righteousness is imputed to all who believe in Him unto salvation; we have no righteousness of our own.The apostle Paul wrote: 'In me, that is in my flesh, is no good thing'. Paul Kingsnorth, I ask you sincerely, do you conscientiously study your bible, or are you satisfied with only your church articles?
As for not judging others, there is a huge difference between judgement and discernment. To warn unbelievers of the great danger they are in is not being judgemental; it is an act of Christian love. Christians are watchmen whose duty it is to warn their fellow humans about the wiles of the bitter enemy of their souls....Satan and his agents.... who unceasingly endeavours to keep them from receiving Christ as their Saviour.
I'm sure you know that the 'somebody' who you believe once said 'Judge not lest ye be judged' was the Lord Jesus Himself. This same Lord said we are to go forth into all the world with the blessed gospel. To fail to do so on the pretext that you don't wish to be thought 'judgemental' or 'self-righteous' is to lack integrity and boldness for Christ, and to demonstrate a lack of loving concern for the lost. Is it judgemental to warn a little child not to put his hand in the fire? No, and neither is it judgemental to warn people of the horrors of the lake of fire. Boldness in proclaiming the gospel is not arrogant or insensitive; it is obedience to Christ's command, and a yearning to rescue others from eternal perdition.
To be honest, Paul, your speaking of your orthodoxy and being aware of the tenets of the faith, and of being quite aware of the 'reality of Christ', does not make you a Christian. Many, indeed multitudes, of people are knowledgeable of the tenets of the faith and the reality of Christ, and are even churchgoers, who are not themselves saved. You speak about Christ as if he is some creed to be apprehended. Have you gone to Him individually and asked Him to be your own personal Saviour. The Lord jesus said 'Come unto Me'. He did not say ' Come unto theology or tenets, or mere ackowledgement of the reality of My existence'. Christ wants an intimate and personal daily relationship with each and every one of His own.
You seem to be missing this from your life, Paul. I am not judging you. I am telling you that there is something much better that the Lord wants to give you. You say you sometimes find it useful to talk to people who believe otherwise. The scriptures tell us to ALWAYS be prepared to give a reason to anyone who asks the reason for our joy. Ask yourself, Paul, are you truly full of joy in Christ, or are you merely indulging in religious complacency? Do you truly know yourself to be a wretched sinner cleansed by the blood of Christ and now accepted by God as His child? Do you sincerely believe that the Lord Jesus paid the awful penalty for your own personal individual sins on the cross? Do you know the indwelling persence of the Holy Spirit? If you are unsure of any of these things, then go to Him and ask Him to grant you biblical faith and assurance, He will not turn you away.
@@williambunter3311 Oh, you know exactly where I'm coming from. I come across a lot of people like you these days. It does bemuse me. You seek to save the souls of people you've never met, over the Internet. There is indeed a difference between judgement and discernment, and it is the former that you are indulging in, parapraph after paragraph, as you explain to strangers why you are properly Christian and they are not.
But since you enjoy quoting scripture, here's the meat:
'Judge not, that you be not judged. For with the judgment you pronounce you will be judged, and with the measure you use it will be measured to you. Why do you see the speck that is in your brother's eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye? Or how can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when there is the log in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother's eye.'
Take care.
Bourgeois navel-gazing.