What politicians and bureaucrats care about more than anything is bossing people around. When covid mania was ramping up, it was breathtaking to see these scumbags crawling out from under their rocks in unison all over the world to bark orders. It is what they live for.
@@666dynomax In the US, Congress are the only individuals exempt from insider trading. As in they can know what company they are going to chose for a $Billion contract, buy up tons of stock, and profit personally when they announce the winning bidder. 100-million$ wealth from a $150K salary in a handful of years. Does that answer your question? because you seem new to Earth.
@@TheLongonot62Tells us it's about 55 minutes too long to put it out. An ice car fire would be put out in 5 minutes with the sheer amount of water and force that a fire truck offers. It quickly suffocates the oxygen from the fire. As we know that can't happen with EV fires as the chemical reaction produces it's own oxygen to keep the fire going and burn hot as hell. It's like trying to stop a fully loaded runaway freight train.
Absolutely. It needs a gravity flow to holding tanks & disposed of as contaminated water. Hence the very reason many high rise buildings with multiple underground car parks ..are not putting car charging points in. The sheer logistics & engineering costs for the sprinkler water containment, ventilation (not pumping smoke onto the street) This is a complete unmitigated criminal disaster ! These govts pushing this garbage need to be held accountable for rushed ill informed knee jerk spending
He won’t stop them - that means admitting it’s failed & that can’t be allowed. Pity he’s allowing those toxic fumes to poison a neighbourhood. What a joke
Meanwhile, The Guardian among other garbage outlets, are putting out articles saying that wood stoves kill people.... They even say that wood is not renewable, and they renamed it "solid fuel" because it sounds scary.... Make Orwell Fiction Again
More the idiocy of people that vote, then blame government. Well, you participated in the system, so you get what you get. I, however, did not particiapte and do not deserve the consequences of YOUR choices. If people are Statists, STFU and stop being Statists.
How long are you gonna buy it that the people who have worked their way to the top are just stupid? You don't get that far in life being dumb. At some point, you have to realize that it's malice.
Government is nothing more than psychopaths maintaining they have a monopoly of violence for the purpose of stealing (money) and stealing more (power). “Idiocy” is NEVER a factor.
Was just looking for movies. If Christine came back as an EV, and if it started melting through concrete, burning down buildings and such, would it really come across as being demonically possessed, or just as a regular EV?
You hit the nail on the head at the beginning, “it’s only a matter of time before someone gets killed” Throughout recent history we have improved safety to such a degree that when a disaster happens [like the greenfield tower] there is an huge public and political outcry with calls for those responsible to be imprisoned for their criminal negligence. In the future we are going to see politicians and so called experts who have pushed this new technology through before the safety hazards and risks have been established, squirm and writhe and try to wriggle out of the responsibility, We need to keep a register of who said what and when so they can be held accountable when it goes wrong.
Boeing is in huge trouble for 3-4 recent disasters of their 737-8’s (remember the door flying off in mid air), but the news on buses which carry multiple passengers are quiet.
But passengers should vote with their feet, I fly a lot and will not be getting on a B737 or the B777 with door spuds. Now when I visit London, I will have to check which routes are served by EBs and use my feet again. There's now an ETaxi service in Ho Chi Minh using Vinfast cars in a horrible blue/green colour, apparently the fares are more expensive than other cab firms.
I don't think Sadiq Khan needs to take any action. At this rate Londoners will be 100% safe from electric buses in 6 to 9 months as they will have all "recycled" themselves. Buses that recycle ♻️ themselves? How much more environmentally friendly can a vehicle get?
There are plenty of people where the bus is the only mode of transportation. Others take it which helps reduce congestion. We should feel sorry for these people that govt forces them onto electric buses.
I live in Toronto Canada. A few years back a building under construction had a window Fallout. And then shortly thereafter another building another window and then a third. By this point the bees were abuzz and people figured out there was a problem. They fixed it. No more window collapses. Three incidents was more than enough. Three buses ablaze is more than enough. Pull the fleet. Figure it out.
@johnnieboy5381 NO kidding. At least we're getting rid of Sleepy Joe in 9 months. Hopefully New Yorkers will also retire the Bartender. She hasn't helped too much either.
We had electric buses that worked just fine and didnt catch fire every 5 minutes 70 years ago , they were called trolley buses. Says it all really when the tech of two generations ago was way better than today's.
Yes, I remember them in Wolverhampton when I was a child, I think they were "Sunbeam" double deckers. The last time I was at Salzburg airport in Austria they were using modern single-deck 'bendy' versions, they would go gliding quietly by as I was awaiting my transfer coach.
@@davidgill2592 - Yes the humble trolley or even trams would appear to be far superior in virtually every respect against the absolute insanity of carrying around several tonnes of hazardous batteries! In fact I can't think of a much worse application for the Li-ion cell!
EV fires are getting more and more common as these rancid batteries deteriorate from us, changes in temperature rattling around and general poor quality!
I recently studied the what’s-what of Lithium batteries. The MAIN thing I learned is that the SEI (solid electrolyte interphase) film/encapsulation in the anode of a Lithium battery ALWAYS breaks down over time. That ALL Lithium batteries have essentially a kind of half-life that sees the danger from them grow EXPONENTIALLY over time.
@@k.chriscaldwell4141 Yet I bet your are quite happy to have several Litium ion powered devices in your home and not even spare a thought about it. If they were truly that dangerous, there'd be no way they would still be in consumer goods. In reality the batteries rarely catch fire.
Here is one of many sources on the nature of Lithium batteries. This one has a very succinct, and layman friendly, section on the lifetime breakdown of Lithium batteries, especially of the SEI film/encapsulation. Lithium batteries deteriorate, become more dangerous, from day one, faster with use. Hence my use of the term, “half-life.” It’s gonna get bad. Real bad. "Lithium-Ion Batteries: Basics and Applications," Section 2.7: Lifetime, pp. 17-18, Lithium-Ion Batteries: Basics and Applications, Reiner Korthauer, Editor, 2018
@@hobo1704seen how Tesla stock is structured mate. Classic pyramid scheme. Guaranteed NEVER to pay a dividend. The only way anyone makes money is to hope they continue to increase in price and you sell at a profit. Here’s advice for 10 year old fan boys - shares ALWAYS fall eventually and never rise forever.
@@karmaandkerosene_music The whole process from mining to manufacturing doesn't seem very green to me and now we find them more dangerous then modes of transport we've been using for decades. Henry Ford must be whirling in his tomb...
@@jonellison9832 Then there is the huge label if your parcel contains a Lithium battery. The post office do not allow a Lithium battery on its own and they can only be sent if with the original equipment they power. Possibly these cars and buses should have a big label when containing thousands of batteries when a single one in a parcel needs it. It is an interesting contrast when the government is terrified about sending just one of these things through its systems yet happy with thousands of them sitting under the new age driver and bus traveller.
What I don't understand is they said that the fire brigade was called out at 8:21, and two engines and was "promptly extinguished by 9:13 am". Hmmm, either it wasn't an EV bus or they're padding the extinguishing times. I'm assuming that it was on the same day? I'm calling BS.
@@sferg9582 The firefighters probably entombed the bus in chemical spray, smothering the fire. None of the resulting fumes or liquids are NOT toxic, but at least the fire is put out quickly.
@@sferg9582of course there's the question of what is extinguished? To you or I we might say when there are no more flames or smoke being generated. But to the Senior Fire Officer present, it might be a very different rule. I saw a factory burn down. To me the fire was out in about 90 minutes but the Fire Brigade was there for more or less 24 hours pouring water on it (likely gas cylinders on site as a guess).
@@sferg9582 It means that the fire probably didn't involve the battery and an electrical fault elsewhere caused the fire, like the other 270 or so bus fires per year in the UK.
I've seen car accidents where the fuel tank or engine block were completely smashed. Not even a hint of fire most of the time. They are probably counting every time you start ignition, since that is technically fire.
The electric bus that caught fire in London in May 2023 at Potters Bar depot burned/destroyed a second electric bus, plus two diesel buses. That is a huge pile of money that went up in one toxic thermal runnaway event.
The advice from a battery fire suppression company on a project I was working on looked at our design and said "We can sell you a warning system (basically a stationary heat gun pointed at the pack) but nothing will extinguish that once it goes.. Just get people to safety and let it burn."
They are now probably adopting the practice of letting EV battery fires burn out, as long as no-one is in danger. Why should they risk their own safety and health? I can see that very soon insurance companies will refuse to insure EV's or any buildings they are stored in.
Recently I had to remove a GPS tracker from an item of stolen and recovered machinery as it had been damaged during the theft and needed replacing. It had a small lithium ion battery in it about 1 inch by 2 inches by 1/4 inch (25mm * 50mm * 5mm approx). I caught the wires to the battery with the angle grinder and shorted it, fortunately it was loose at that point and fell onto the ground. I've never seen something glow as bright as that - it was briefly like looking directly at the Sun and was still warm hours later. Now compare this tiny battery to the ones in these buses that have to be loaded in by fork lift they are so big and heavy. Yes, exactly.
Did a bit of quick digging, apparently the BYD e-buses that carry 32 people weigh 18,000 kg that's 40,000Ibs . A comparable diesel bus with the same carrying capacity is just under 8,000 kg! Now I don't claim to know what proportion of that extra *10 metric tonnes* is battery, but I'm guessing it must be most of it! Un-freakin-believable
@@salnaturile8653 that is shocking. I have an ex London decker (B7) at work. I'm sure that's about 9,000- but 1,000 between designs is nothing. Double the weight for an EV is shocking... Excuse the pun.
@@robertkubrick3738 I would assume that these fires dump a large amount of carbon into the atmosphere when they burn, like any other wild fire or volcanic eruption... would be interesting if someone in the know could calculate that and compare it to X years of operating a diesel bus of the same size/capacity. Of course that would require actually inquiring into the evidence...
So you clicked several days after people poured thousands of gallons of water on you, wrapped you in a fireproof blanket, shipped you via convoy to a junk yard, and assumed you were safe and not going to explode again?
@@yamamancha well, I clicked as fast as the triggered thermal runaway, so soon enough. And I may rewatch this video again, unpredictable, so yes for the second part! 😂
i am a Londoner a cockney a proper geezer and i dont remember ONE routemaster ever catching fire , ever i heard of someone trying to set one alight once but it was too soggy
3 in 2 weeks in London. A decade of dodgy battery technology already on the roads. Phones got around it by lasting 3 years. There will be the same stories of someone who smoked 40 a day and lived to be 110.
They said that the fire brigade was called out at 8:21, and two engines and was "promptly extinguished by 9:13 am". Hmmm, either it wasn't an EV bus or they're padding the extinguishing times. I'm assuming that it was on the same day? I'm calling BS.
Maybe 8:21 pm and 9:13 am. Of course they're gonna lie to downplay how bad it is. Their jobs depend on it. They're literally just standing around doing nothing, b/c they can do nothing. They let it burn out.
According to the bus operator, the causes was an electrical fire UNRELATED to the lithium battery. The fire was at the back of the bus. The Lithium battery is at the front.
I read in the newspaper, here in America, that the Lithium batteries have a huge tendency to ignite and catch on fire. There's a "hush" out of the Michigan, Wisconsin, et al "rust belt" states that many Hybrid and electric cars are igniting inside garages and causing the vehicles to burn up.
Why on earth would they commit to 380 of these without purchasing and testing a few and putting them through their paces for a while? Massive negligence and incompetence on the part of bureaucrats spending public money. It is unfortunate that the ideology and virtue signalling surrounding this has eliminated any common sense. Any individual family doing their homework on electric vehicles and spending their own hard earned money could have told these people that this was a known and well documented issue.
Common sense goes out the window when virtue signalling compliance kicks in? Hmm I wonder if we've seen any other examples of that phenomenon oh say in the last 3 to 4 years?
Loss of any life due to EV bus fire in the future will be considered as gross negligence. The fleet must be grounded immediately and remain so until they are demonstrated to be safe.
How many EV bus fires would it take to equal one diesel vehicle pollution per year? Surely it’s like 10 diesel vehicle pollution for one EV bus fire? Madness
When thinking about forms of mass-transit we can all be thankful electric ferries and airliners have yet to enter the picture... All we have to worry about now, is one of these electric buses igniting in the tunnel (Chunnel) connecting London to Paris, France
For several separate technical reasons, no one alive today will live to see battery electric airliners. No one. So that's one less thing to worry about.
Actually, Moscow (Russia) recently introduced electric river ferries. They've also been using electric busses for a long time but I don't think I've heard of a fire. EDIT: never mind, took exactly 3 minutes of a targeted search to find at least 3 separate instances since summer 2022.
You're far too late to the party. Nichola Sturgeon introduced a fleet of electric ferries around Scotland three years ago.... Huge problems with the £1.5m batteries have resulted in (I think) at least two ferries being retrofitted with diesel engines. The original project was estimated at £100m but I believe that the running total is now approaching £360m
The advice from a battery fire suppression company (which is a thing) on a project I was working on looked at our design and said "We can sell you a warning system (basically a stationary heat gun pointed at the pack) but nothing will extinguish that once it goes.. Just get people to safety and let it burn."
Gods forbid. they don't have electric doors that fail during that type of incidence as EV vehicles have done in the US. One poor bloke had to kick his window out to exit and thankfully survived. Screw that technology....With ICE, pull over, open door walk away .
The crazy thing is EV fires don't even seem that rare if you consider how few are on the roads, and how new most of them are. So many fires within the first few years of service is a horrible sign. If we ever replaced all cars with EV's there would be several catching fire every day.
@@bikingcat3283 Doesn't even have to be a long tunnel. Just an over pass would burn out the road above and cause it to collapse, possibly with dozens of cars on it if it was during rush hour.
@@paradiselost9946 From what I have seen from video's the Tesla tunnel in I think it's Las vega be the worst. The one that just drives tesla's around in an underground loop. Almost no fire suppression systems, vents etc down there. The fleet is something like 50 Model 3 Tesla's and the tunnels are too narrow for most emergency vehicles to get down there... if they ever catch fire it's a serious hazard to every one inside and above them.
@@JustaGuy_Gaming i call that a "one-off publicity stunt". that flopped, bigtime, lol. yet somehow the fan boys STILL lapped it up! in fact, my conspiracy theorist senses are tingling and suggest the thing wasnt even underground... just re-used that OTHER failed "tunnel" idea he was trying to flog off. painted a different colour, some RGB lighting... who would know but the construction company? smoke and mirrors...
They say they're going to carry out checks, but this missing the point. There are no checks that will tell you if a battery is going to spontaneously combust in the near future. If such a check was possible, EV manufacturers would build it in and sound an alarm.
Thank you for helping to stop these potential death traps from gaining traction. This net zero nonsense has already ended in tears. I truly mean this, I would not accept a new E.V as a gift!
Brisbane city council has decided to move to electric buses for use along the busways, which are mostly out of site from people passing by. But instead of using overhead wires for power, they have gone for large and heavy electric batteries on board. They are spending a fortune on installing charging infrastructure that is taking up public parks. I will be watching, from a safe distance, to see how they go. Happy Australia Day.
High charge rates are hard on any battery but bus batteries have to be fast charged everyday. Imagine the stress that puts them under. The thermal runaway on those banks must be off the charts.
The structural integrity of that building needs to be checked immediately. That intense fire may have been going on for hours before it was extinguished (temporarily?)
Is it just me, or does it seem that the larger the vehicle/battery pack, the more likely it is to catch on fire. I've seen a lot of videos of electric busses and heavy equipment burning lately.
It's all to do with C rates. The heavier the load then the heat builds up, and with heat build up there's increased resistance, with increased resistance there's more heat,,,,,,,next 🔥 This doesn't happen with something like a mobile phone bc the battery load stays within very narrow limits whilst in use. This is another reason EV busses struggle massively on hilly routes. Internal resistance drains the power, rather than converting it to movement
Plus the not inconsiderable weight of the battery remains constant as it drains. Unlike a fluid power source obviously. Meaning as the battery gets low (and less efficient) the drain on it gets exponentially worse. Genius!
A physical size and weight comparison would be great for folks to see what we are dealing with. The cyber truck is so heavy that the center of gravity is apparently so low and it the truck is so heavy that it effectively is a battering ram and when engages a guardrail, renders it useless, effectively going UNDER the rail instead of compressing it. Also, what about the peopl eliving ABOVE wherever electrics are parked? They through no fault of their own are at risk of peril.
Here in the U of K, the Treasury gains £28 billion every year from taxes on petrol and diesel. If ICE vehicles are to be replaced by EVs, how is the £28bn annual shortfall going to be made up?!
I am from Germany and here the insanity of electric mobility is also mindboggling. There are also quite a lot of electic busses, people are nearly forced in the EV direction. By the same time, public transport like the Deutsche Bahn does not work properly and the energy supply is poor because the German "government" has dropped the last three WORKING nuclear power plants. We have to IMPORT electric power from the neighbors. This toxic mixture brings me to the opinion that the best option for transportation will be a horse powered carriage, if they don't ban horses on top.
Look up Rosenbauer hybrid fire trucks. The fire trucks have 132kWh and 155kWh batteries, plenty of stored energy and chemicals to make a mess if something goes seriously wrong. The fire trucks can be phev, like a BMWi3 with a rex. ACT's firies calculation was the rex was only likely to be used about twice a year.
Here is another thought , given the poisonous and toxic nature of EV fires , I would be wondering if the authorities actually do a thorough environmental forensic check of all the surfaces including walls and ventilation , etc where people have to work and breathe in that building , and tests on surrounding drains to see just what residual contamination is around . In the news some weeks or months ago , a fellow got a smear of what looked like smoke ash from a burned EV , and a few days later he was dead , I believe he fell ill first , but nothing could be done for him. This is serious shit , and the authorities should be looking at this and posting results and making sure people’s health is not at risk.
Cobalt is very bad news and is in most EV batteries. 2 fireman in Victoria Au got some fumes on clothing, it seeped thru to their skin, and the damage to their nervous system means they are disabled for life.
@@winstons1806I would give your comment a thumbs up, but how can you post a like for something as tragic as that, I hope the firemen involved get all the support they need from the authorities.
Or to quote Ian Fleming in the foreword of "Goldfinger": "Once is happenstance, twice is coincidence, three times is enemy action". Only in this case the "enemy action" is self-inflicted.
Seen a sad story a lady in her EV got rear ended at high speed (drunk driver) she was stuck in her car screaming she was burned to ashes in her EV the heat is very intense and hard to extinguish.
They seemed to extinguish this fire rather quickly, according to the report; any info on the method used to put it out; were the batteries not the source of the fire?
@@motleydude73 From what i have read and yes the internet is more than youtube The cause of the fire/s is still being investigated. What is VERY clear though is that the fire source was no where near the battery pack. I gather you do not use the internet to check that.
@robertkubrick3738 Early reports indicate its not a lithium battery fault. So either an assembly or other type of ( design ?) fault that could happen to even an ICE vehicle. Also you don't often see or hear about other bus fires. For instance, just checked and there are on average over 2300 fires on school buses in the USA a year. Yet you don't hear of themI Ps my apology for doing research outside of youtube, as some consider it should be there only source of information
When I was a kid we had electric milk floats, which got replaced by diesel transits for all the reasons we see today but at least fire wasn't an issue What a great way to "clean up Londons air" with burning buses.
Politicians don't care about people. They only care about the kickbacks they get for pushing policies that advantage their sponsors.
What kickbacks would this be son
What politicians and bureaucrats care about more than anything is bossing people around. When covid mania was ramping up, it was breathtaking to see these scumbags crawling out from under their rocks in unison all over the world to bark orders. It is what they live for.
@@666dynomax ££££££
@@666dynomax In the US, Congress are the only individuals exempt from insider trading. As in they can know what company they are going to chose for a $Billion contract, buy up tons of stock, and profit personally when they announce the winning bidder.
100-million$ wealth from a $150K salary in a handful of years.
Does that answer your question? because you seem new to Earth.
Shhhhhhh........
The firemen don’t have to drive fast to an EV fire.
There is no rush to get to a fire that cannot be extinguished.
They extinguished this fire in about an hour, so what does that tell you?
An hour for a vehicle fire? That's ridiculous.
@@TheLongonot62 Tells me that had it have been a diesel fire, they'd have extinguished it in about 15 minutes! 🔥🔥🔥
@@TheLongonot62Tells us it's about 55 minutes too long to put it out.
An ice car fire would be put out in 5 minutes with the sheer amount of water and force that a fire truck offers. It quickly suffocates the oxygen from the fire.
As we know that can't happen with EV fires as the chemical reaction produces it's own oxygen to keep the fire going and burn hot as hell. It's like trying to stop a fully loaded runaway freight train.
Nope. They have to protect buildings near by.
If passengers are not allowed smoke on the bus then surely it’s fair that passengers ask that the bus doesn’t smoke either ! 😂😂
The drivers shouldnt be allowed to smoke their buses either.
@@michaellawson6533 well somebody in Govt is smoking something if they think EVs are the way to go ! 🤣
Can you also highlight the fact that the water that’s used to put out the fire is toxic and should not make its way into the street drain?
very true
This is how the Liberals try to kill Conservatives.
How do the fires affect air quality mr khan?
Absolutely. It needs a gravity flow to holding tanks & disposed of as contaminated water. Hence the very reason many high rise buildings with multiple underground car parks ..are not putting car charging points in. The sheer logistics & engineering costs for the sprinkler water containment, ventilation (not pumping smoke onto the street) This is a complete unmitigated criminal disaster ! These govts pushing this garbage need to be held accountable for rushed ill informed knee jerk spending
That question is racist!@@RollcageHiggins
He won’t stop them - that means admitting it’s failed & that can’t be allowed. Pity he’s allowing those toxic fumes to poison a neighbourhood. What a joke
Correct . The toxic fumes from all of these incidents must be recognised as affecting people . Consequences should be faced up to.
Meanwhile, The Guardian among other garbage outlets, are putting out articles saying that wood stoves kill people.... They even say that wood is not renewable, and they renamed it "solid fuel" because it sounds scary.... Make Orwell Fiction Again
Sue him
That is so disrespectul of you to refer to Mr kahn,s breath as fumes : (
Perhaps it is time people demanded they go to hospital and claim for lung damage when in the area of one?
The idiocy of the government is becoming a danger to society.
More the idiocy of people that vote, then blame government. Well, you participated in the system, so you get what you get. I, however, did not particiapte and do not deserve the consequences of YOUR choices. If people are Statists, STFU and stop being Statists.
But if you vote for the same party your entire life (regardless of policy and outcomes) you are considered normal.
How long are you gonna buy it that the people who have worked their way to the top are just stupid? You don't get that far in life being dumb. At some point, you have to realize that it's malice.
Becoming a danger. Government has been a danger to society for a very long time.
Government is nothing more than psychopaths maintaining they have a monopoly of violence for the purpose of stealing (money) and stealing more (power). “Idiocy” is NEVER a factor.
At least they've stopped the practice of calling these "diesel fires" 😉
Has anyone ever noticed that all these politicos pushing EV's don't drive them, or take public transportation?!!!
Was just looking for movies. If Christine came back as an EV, and if it started melting through concrete, burning down buildings and such, would it really come across as being demonically possessed, or just as a regular EV?
😂😂
Your idea is worthy of an Academy Award!
great movie Christine....along with Vanishing Point
Christine would get very angry if she was set on fire - which song would be on the radio ❓❓❓
@@joline2730"Get the Firebrigade" by The Move. 🚌💥🔥🚒
You hit the nail on the head at the beginning, “it’s only a matter of time before someone gets killed”
Throughout recent history we have improved safety to such a degree that when a disaster happens [like the greenfield tower] there is an huge public and political outcry with calls for those responsible to be imprisoned for their criminal negligence.
In the future we are going to see politicians and so called experts who have pushed this new technology through before the safety hazards and risks have been established, squirm and writhe and try to wriggle out of the responsibility,
We need to keep a register of who said what and when so they can be held accountable when it goes wrong.
People have been killed by EV fires. One example was in April of 2023. Search for _Dead passenger ID’d in fiery Tesla crash on Sunset Strip_
someone has already died in a car fire in the USA due to those electric door locks that would not open
I'm sure they will face as much justice as those who pushed the lock down jab thing. So in other words justice will not be served.
The judges are corrupt and won't prosecute politicians.
@@graantmnzit’s very sad the witnesses couldn’t break the glass to get the man out. Sad 😞
Boeing is in huge trouble for 3-4 recent disasters of their 737-8’s (remember the door flying off in mid air), but the news on buses which carry multiple passengers are quiet.
Move along, nothing to see here. 🔥🔥🔥🔥
But passengers should vote with their feet, I fly a lot and will not be getting on a B737 or the B777 with door spuds. Now when I visit London, I will have to check which routes are served by EBs and use my feet again.
There's now an ETaxi service in Ho Chi Minh using Vinfast cars in a horrible blue/green colour, apparently the fares are more expensive than other cab firms.
It's as if the issues are being done on purpose to make people scared of flying. That's one of the WEF plans.
The media is sponsoring EV.
It’s un-profitable to show the truth. 😮
They are not journalists nothing more than far left woke activists
By far, electric busses are the most toxic vehicles in London.
I don't think Sadiq Khan needs to take any action. At this rate Londoners will be 100% safe from electric buses in 6 to 9 months as they will have all "recycled" themselves. Buses that recycle ♻️ themselves? How much more environmentally friendly can a vehicle get?
Yes , Khan is taking the Brit out of Britain .
Best comment here! 😆
There are plenty of people where the bus is the only mode of transportation. Others take it which helps reduce congestion. We should feel sorry for these people that govt forces them onto electric buses.
Friendly , All That Toxic Smoke 😂😂
@@Joe-hz1nw Only the ones that didn't vote for these maniacs. The rest can fark right off.
I live in Toronto Canada. A few years back a building under construction had a window Fallout. And then shortly thereafter another building another window and then a third. By this point the bees were abuzz and people figured out there was a problem. They fixed it. No more window collapses. Three incidents was more than enough.
Three buses ablaze is more than enough. Pull the fleet. Figure it out.
Its high DC voltage. It tends to degrade insulation fast. There is no real solution perhaps.
By 2050 we will have achieved net zero and perpetual motion machines and London Zoo will have it's first flying unicorn.
As the Great Wizard of Oz said "Nothing to see here"..I'd die happy just to see a unicorn that just walks...
Oh come on be sensible. London Zoo only has land based Unicorns. It's their Pegasus's that fly.... but only when it isn't Dragon feeding time.
One thing you can bank on: Sadiq Khan won't do a thing!
I asked a conductor: "How often do these buses catch fire?"
He replied: "Just once!"
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
That bus fire just put as much pollution in the air as 10 diesel busses do in a lifetime😅
Since when logic applies in political ideologies?
@@bmw803Precisely.
@johnnieboy5381 NO kidding. At least we're getting rid of Sleepy Joe in 9 months. Hopefully New Yorkers will also retire the Bartender. She hasn't helped too much either.
We had electric buses that worked just fine and didnt catch fire every 5 minutes 70 years ago , they were called trolley buses. Says it all really when the tech of two generations ago was way better than today's.
But did they make the politicians and manuf millions of dollars (while also not feeling not being functional)?
Yes, I remember them in Wolverhampton when I was a child, I think they were "Sunbeam" double deckers. The last time I was at Salzburg airport in Austria they were using modern single-deck 'bendy' versions, they would go gliding quietly by as I was awaiting my transfer coach.
@@davidgill2592 - Yes the humble trolley or even trams would appear to be far superior in virtually every respect against the absolute insanity of carrying around several tonnes of hazardous batteries! In fact I can't think of a much worse application for the Li-ion cell!
Milk floats as well.
Well there goes London’s air quality for the week.
EV fires are getting more and more common as these rancid batteries deteriorate from us, changes in temperature rattling around and general poor quality!
Every few weeks in the media you will see a house fire from a dodgy mobile 'phone battery, which is tiny by comparison.
I recently studied the what’s-what of Lithium batteries. The MAIN thing I learned is that the SEI (solid electrolyte interphase) film/encapsulation in the anode of a Lithium battery ALWAYS breaks down over time. That ALL Lithium batteries have essentially a kind of half-life that sees the danger from them grow EXPONENTIALLY over time.
@@k.chriscaldwell4141 I bet they don't tell you that at the tesla website!
@@k.chriscaldwell4141 Yet I bet your are quite happy to have several Litium ion powered devices in your home and not even spare a thought about it. If they were truly that dangerous, there'd be no way they would still be in consumer goods. In reality the batteries rarely catch fire.
Here is one of many sources on the nature of Lithium batteries. This one has a very succinct, and layman friendly, section on the lifetime breakdown of Lithium batteries, especially of the SEI film/encapsulation. Lithium batteries deteriorate, become more dangerous, from day one, faster with use. Hence my use of the term, “half-life.”
It’s gonna get bad. Real bad.
"Lithium-Ion Batteries: Basics and Applications," Section 2.7: Lifetime, pp. 17-18, Lithium-Ion Batteries: Basics and Applications, Reiner Korthauer, Editor, 2018
The EV fad is fading fast.
Yep, Tesla stock price says it all 😂
AS a stock market guru said some years back: Beware of fads! All fads come to an end, and they almost always end up the same way - BADLY.
@@hobo1704seen how Tesla stock is structured mate. Classic pyramid scheme. Guaranteed NEVER to pay a dividend. The only way anyone makes money is to hope they continue to increase in price and you sell at a profit. Here’s advice for 10 year old fan boys - shares ALWAYS fall eventually and never rise forever.
Yep. Fading fast. Oh, wait a minute! What was Top Selling Vehicle In The World In 2023? Look it up for yourself; you guys are self delusional.
@@brucemitchell5637 I have solar panels on my roof. Next question?
Apparently toxic fumes and by products are acceptable vs exhaust gases that went through catalytic converters
The gifts that just keep on giving… & giving! 🔥 One way to warm up in a northern hemisphere winter.🤣
That is a big battery with untold malice gushing into the atmosphere.
Angry pixies trying to get out of the box.
@@karmaandkerosene_music The whole process from mining to manufacturing doesn't seem very green to me and now we find them more dangerous then modes of transport we've been using for decades.
Henry Ford must be whirling in his tomb...
They sold us a load of shyte. Same as it always was.@@happyrecluse2849
If these buses were plane's the fleet would have been taken out of service immediately after the first fire.
Exactly
That is exactly what happened with the Boeing 787 Dreamliner back in 2013!
Which is why lithium batteries are not allowed in the checked baggage on aircraft. If they are not safe on aircraft why are they safe on busses?
@@jonellison9832 Then there is the huge label if your parcel contains a Lithium battery. The post office do not allow a Lithium battery on its own and they can only be sent if with the original equipment they power. Possibly these cars and buses should have a big label when containing thousands of batteries when a single one in a parcel needs it. It is an interesting contrast when the government is terrified about sending just one of these things through its systems yet happy with thousands of them sitting under the new age driver and bus traveller.
Maybe they’re subject to runaway catastrophic chemical combustion fires but at least they’re impossible to extinguish.
What I don't understand is they said that the fire brigade was called out at 8:21, and two engines and was "promptly extinguished by 9:13 am". Hmmm, either it wasn't an EV bus or they're padding the extinguishing times. I'm assuming that it was on the same day? I'm calling BS.
I don't think it's possible to extinguish an Ev fire. They are only there for show, and to possibly prevent the "spread" of the fire.
@@sferg9582 The firefighters probably entombed the bus in chemical spray, smothering the fire. None of the resulting fumes or liquids are NOT toxic, but at least the fire is put out quickly.
@@sferg9582of course there's the question of what is extinguished? To you or I we might say when there are no more flames or smoke being generated. But to the Senior Fire Officer present, it might be a very different rule. I saw a factory burn down. To me the fire was out in about 90 minutes but the Fire Brigade was there for more or less 24 hours pouring water on it (likely gas cylinders on site as a guess).
@@sferg9582 It means that the fire probably didn't involve the battery and an electrical fault elsewhere caused the fire, like the other 270 or so bus fires per year in the UK.
I have been forwarding some of your E bus stories to my city councilor... They have ordered a fleet of E busses. He stopped talking me
Every cloud has a silver lining. 😂
Happy Aussie Day, now where are all the people saying ice fires are waaaay more common, 3 buses???
The big difference is ICE cars usually give the driver a warning before...like an accident. EVs don't care they'll fire up whenever they want.
In two weeks?
@@BradKwfc And you don't have to monitor them for 2 weeks for re-ignition risk.
I've seen car accidents where the fuel tank or engine block were completely smashed. Not even a hint of fire most of the time.
They are probably counting every time you start ignition, since that is technically fire.
Its high DC voltage. It tends to degrade insulation fast. There is no real solution perhaps.
The electric bus that caught fire in London in May 2023 at Potters Bar depot burned/destroyed a second electric bus, plus two diesel buses. That is a huge pile of money that went up in one toxic thermal runnaway event.
It's ok, govt will just print more money and up the taxes.
The annoying thing is, the two diesel buses will now be used in the ice vehicle statistics to help demonstrate the "safety" of EVs.
That firefighter didn't seem to be too eager to get back where the fire was.
Can you blame him?
A lot of DEI in that group.
The advice from a battery fire suppression company on a project I was working on looked at our design and said "We can sell you a warning system (basically a stationary heat gun pointed at the pack) but nothing will extinguish that once it goes.. Just get people to safety and let it burn."
They are now probably adopting the practice of letting EV battery fires burn out, as long as no-one is in danger. Why should they risk their own safety and health? I can see that very soon insurance companies will refuse to insure EV's or any buildings they are stored in.
Hmm. The official denial of reality sounds like another case of 'safe and effective'.
Recently I had to remove a GPS tracker from an item of stolen and recovered machinery as it had been damaged during the theft and needed replacing. It had a small lithium ion battery in it about 1 inch by 2 inches by 1/4 inch (25mm * 50mm * 5mm approx). I caught the wires to the battery with the angle grinder and shorted it, fortunately it was loose at that point and fell onto the ground.
I've never seen something glow as bright as that - it was briefly like looking directly at the Sun and was still warm hours later. Now compare this tiny battery to the ones in these buses that have to be loaded in by fork lift they are so big and heavy.
Yes, exactly.
Did a bit of quick digging, apparently the BYD e-buses that carry 32 people weigh 18,000 kg that's 40,000Ibs . A comparable diesel bus with the same carrying capacity is just under 8,000 kg! Now I don't claim to know what proportion of that extra *10 metric tonnes* is battery, but I'm guessing it must be most of it! Un-freakin-believable
@@salnaturile8653
Furthermore, the extra weight of EVs create more tyre particulates not to mention brake dust.
What a way to save the planet!!!!
@@salnaturile8653 that is shocking. I have an ex London decker (B7) at work. I'm sure that's about 9,000- but 1,000 between designs is nothing. Double the weight for an EV is shocking... Excuse the pun.
EV Buses really put the BUS in spontaneous _ComBUStion_
So are those busses still considered net-zero compliant?
How long before those busses recover their CO2 investment? I think they hundreds of thousands of miles short.
@@robertkubrick3738 I would assume that these fires dump a large amount of carbon into the atmosphere when they burn, like any other wild fire or volcanic eruption... would be interesting if someone in the know could calculate that and compare it to X years of operating a diesel bus of the same size/capacity. Of course that would require actually inquiring into the evidence...
Happy Australia Day everyone! 🇦🇺
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Cheers.
Onya!@@mtlicq
You too, mate!
Cheers mate
I clicked as fast as Lithium batteries becoming fireworks! hahahaha
So you clicked several days after people poured thousands of gallons of water on you, wrapped you in a fireproof blanket, shipped you via convoy to a junk yard, and assumed you were safe and not going to explode again?
@@yamamancha well, I clicked as fast as the triggered thermal runaway, so soon enough.
And I may rewatch this video again, unpredictable, so yes for the second part! 😂
Travelling on an electric bus is about as safe and appealing as flying on a Boeing. LOL LOL.
In the military we have the rule of three, first time is happenstance, Second time is coincidence, third time is enemy action! Thx 4 u’r WORK
Alec.
Goldfinger adapted that phrase in the James Bond film.
@@johnnieboy5381 I never saw Goldfinger. That’s hilarious to hear that. Thank you for the information.
i am a Londoner a cockney a proper geezer and i dont remember ONE routemaster ever catching fire , ever i heard of someone trying to set one alight once but it was too soggy
Rare?? 3 in the space of two weeks seems otherwise
3 in 2 weeks in London.
A decade of dodgy battery technology already on the roads.
Phones got around it by lasting 3 years.
There will be the same stories of someone who smoked 40 a day and lived to be 110.
They said that the fire brigade was called out at 8:21, and two engines and was "promptly extinguished by 9:13 am". Hmmm, either it wasn't an EV bus or they're padding the extinguishing times. I'm assuming that it was on the same day? I'm calling BS.
Maybe 8:21 pm and 9:13 am. Of course they're gonna lie to downplay how bad it is. Their jobs depend on it.
They're literally just standing around doing nothing, b/c they can do nothing. They let it burn out.
I came here to say that. Congrats on beating me to it!
According to the bus operator, the causes was an electrical fire UNRELATED to the lithium battery. The fire was at the back of the bus. The Lithium battery is at the front.
@@starpawsy is the bus operator a Russian ..they are well know for their truthfulness ..
@@graantmnz Uhh, more like Poms. Spreading false information doesnt help anyone.
It's just a matter of time until a disaster happens involving this "technology". God, spare the children.
Yup. And they are making EV school buses. A disaster waiting to happen, when one catches fire.
Someday, an EV will catch fire in the Channel Tunnel. It is very poisonous and very dangerous.
@@cspark9186sorry, mis-read... Not buses...
I read in the newspaper, here in America, that the Lithium batteries have a huge tendency to ignite and catch on fire. There's a "hush" out of the Michigan, Wisconsin, et al "rust belt" states that many Hybrid and electric cars are igniting inside garages and causing the vehicles to burn up.
Typical! We wait for a bus and then three come along !!!
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Bigger battery, bigger fire. Not going to happen with diesel bus.
Happy Aussie Day!
Why on earth would they commit to 380 of these without purchasing and testing a few and putting them through their paces for a while? Massive negligence and incompetence on the part of bureaucrats spending public money. It is unfortunate that the ideology and virtue signalling surrounding this has eliminated any common sense. Any individual family doing their homework on electric vehicles and spending their own hard earned money could have told these people that this was a known and well documented issue.
@ashp4251 why ? Pretty obvious to me, corruption.
Never underestimate the stupidity of a green politician .
Common sense goes out the window when virtue signalling compliance kicks in? Hmm I wonder if we've seen any other examples of that phenomenon oh say in the last 3 to 4 years?
Loss of any life due to EV bus fire in the future will be considered as gross negligence. The fleet must be grounded immediately and remain so until they are demonstrated to be safe.
How many EV bus fires would it take to equal one diesel vehicle pollution per year?
Surely it’s like 10 diesel vehicle pollution for one EV bus fire?
Madness
More like hundreds, maybe thousands.
The Green Party Central Committee has just sentenced you to "Cancellation" for wrongthink and mandatory drug evasion.
When thinking about forms of mass-transit we can all be thankful electric ferries and airliners have yet to enter the picture...
All we have to worry about now, is one of these electric buses igniting in the tunnel (Chunnel) connecting London to Paris, France
For several separate technical reasons, no one alive today will live to see battery electric airliners. No one. So that's one less thing to worry about.
Actually, Moscow (Russia) recently introduced electric river ferries.
They've also been using electric busses for a long time but I don't think I've heard of a fire.
EDIT: never mind, took exactly 3 minutes of a targeted search to find at least 3 separate instances since summer 2022.
You're far too late to the party. Nichola Sturgeon introduced a fleet of electric ferries around Scotland three years ago.... Huge problems with the £1.5m batteries have resulted in (I think) at least two ferries being retrofitted with diesel engines. The original project was estimated at £100m but I believe that the running total is now approaching £360m
@@CosmicSeeker69nicola is a what?
Never worry about passenger BEV planes. They aren't commercially feasible.
This is crazy someone is definitely going to get hurt at some point
The advice from a battery fire suppression company (which is a thing) on a project I was working on looked at our design and said "We can sell you a warning system (basically a stationary heat gun pointed at the pack) but nothing will extinguish that once it goes.. Just get people to safety and let it burn."
Gods forbid. they don't have electric doors that fail during that type of incidence as EV vehicles have done in the US. One poor bloke had to kick his window out to exit and thankfully survived. Screw that technology....With ICE, pull over, open door walk away .
The SF fire brigade issue the same advice
Maybe London's Mayor Kahn could put it out the fires with his towel.
Imagine if it was full of kids and the electric locks shorted out so no escape.
Jed, now imagine you are watching your own kid inside 😢😢😢
They could possibly solve this bus problem by only driving down hills , I guess that's as absurd as a electric bus itself 🤔
Could use Escher designed bus routes. 😂😂
The building reminds me of "On the Buses", but that was a real sitcom.
In a hundred years time, the history books will refer to this period as the great bus fire of London 🚌 🔥🚒
These fires are like busses - You don't get one for ages then 3 come along at the same time 🚌🔥
I live in the uk and this is the first i've heard about this... about any buses catching fire let alone the most recent.
Ahh you've been watching the BBC news . They broadcast just a little bit too much propaganda for me .
Looks like they have found a sollution to the lack of heating in these busses. Just need a way of controlling it.
It would be really nice to see how much "compliance credit" is issued to the manufacturers of these EVs, for each one that is constructed.
The crazy thing is EV fires don't even seem that rare if you consider how few are on the roads, and how new most of them are. So many fires within the first few years of service is a horrible sign. If we ever replaced all cars with EV's there would be several catching fire every day.
long tunnels would be death traps
@@bikingcat3283 Doesn't even have to be a long tunnel. Just an over pass would burn out the road above and cause it to collapse, possibly with dozens of cars on it if it was during rush hour.
@@paradiselost9946 From what I have seen from video's the Tesla tunnel in I think it's Las vega be the worst. The one that just drives tesla's around in an underground loop. Almost no fire suppression systems, vents etc down there. The fleet is something like 50 Model 3 Tesla's and the tunnels are too narrow for most emergency vehicles to get down there...
if they ever catch fire it's a serious hazard to every one inside and above them.
Green fires are harmless and quite sustainable : )
@@JustaGuy_Gaming i call that a "one-off publicity stunt".
that flopped, bigtime, lol.
yet somehow the fan boys STILL lapped it up!
in fact, my conspiracy theorist senses are tingling and suggest the thing wasnt even underground... just re-used that OTHER failed "tunnel" idea he was trying to flog off. painted a different colour, some RGB lighting... who would know but the construction company?
smoke and mirrors...
You’re on a roll MGUY. Based on this, you’ll never run out of content!
They say they're going to carry out checks, but this missing the point. There are no checks that will tell you if a battery is going to spontaneously combust in the near future. If such a check was possible, EV manufacturers would build it in and sound an alarm.
Thank you for helping to stop these potential death traps from gaining traction. This net zero nonsense has already ended in tears. I truly mean this, I would not accept a new E.V as a gift!
Brisbane city council has decided to move to electric buses for use along the busways, which are mostly out of site from people passing by. But instead of using overhead wires for power, they have gone for large and heavy electric batteries on board.
They are spending a fortune on installing charging infrastructure that is taking up public parks.
I will be watching, from a safe distance, to see how they go.
Happy Australia Day.
" there is such a fine line between clever & stupid" ^^^^ SPINAL TAP
Well this confirms what we all knew right from the start. I hope the fire engine was diesel powered. Three in a few weeks is not rare.
High charge rates are hard on any battery but bus batteries have to be fast charged everyday. Imagine the stress that puts them under. The thermal runaway on those banks must be off the charts.
Sadiq khan doesn't care. He doesn't use buses.
It also goes against his other interests and the narrative they push.
Traffic congestion can be a problem in cities, but this is a little drastic.
Electric Commercial Vehicles need more stress tests from the Authority. Lion Batt tech has creeped into our lives without any real proper tests.
Sounds like the Vacs syndrome brought on by our friends at WEF..
The structural integrity of that building needs to be checked immediately. That intense fire may have been going on for hours before it was extinguished (temporarily?)
Yeah that was my thought too. Expensive business.
There must be some sort of vaccination you could give the Buses.
Masking them up should help also. 6 feet of separation when parked?
How does the fire fighters put a massive fire blanket over a bus, or put the bus in a massive water tank?!😮
Happy Aussie Day - Enjoy the Journey - Cheers
You too, cheers 🍻
When is this EV insanity going to end...
Is it just me, or does it seem that the larger the vehicle/battery pack, the more likely it is to catch on fire.
I've seen a lot of videos of electric busses and heavy equipment burning lately.
Of course, it's basic math. But it's not a linear increase, it's much worse. For every doubling of capacity, you probably decrease reliability 4x.
It's all to do with C rates. The heavier the load then the heat builds up, and with heat build up there's increased resistance, with increased resistance there's more heat,,,,,,,next 🔥 This doesn't happen with something like a mobile phone bc the battery load stays within very narrow limits whilst in use. This is another reason EV busses struggle massively on hilly routes. Internal resistance drains the power, rather than converting it to movement
Plus the not inconsiderable weight of the battery remains constant as it drains. Unlike a fluid power source obviously. Meaning as the battery gets low (and less efficient) the drain on it gets exponentially worse. Genius!
I think I'll stick with my ICE which gets 50mph and runs great in cold weather
Keep telling the truth. Madness of net zero!
A physical size and weight comparison would be great for folks to see what we are dealing with. The cyber truck is so heavy that the center of gravity is apparently so low and it the truck is so heavy that it effectively is a battering ram and when engages a guardrail, renders it useless, effectively going UNDER the rail instead of compressing it. Also, what about the peopl eliving ABOVE wherever electrics are parked? They through no fault of their own are at risk of peril.
Twice the deceleration in a Cybertruck crash means your brains will be scrambled egg. The crumple zones on newer vehicles are there for a reason.
Here in the U of K, the Treasury gains £28 billion every year from taxes on petrol and diesel.
If ICE vehicles are to be replaced by EVs, how is the £28bn annual shortfall going to be made up?!
That's why they are planning pay per mile. That's what all the huge expansion in anpr cameras are for.
I am from Germany and here the insanity of electric mobility is also mindboggling. There are also quite a lot of electic busses, people are nearly forced in the EV direction. By the same time, public transport like the Deutsche Bahn does not work properly and the energy supply is poor because the German "government" has dropped the last three WORKING nuclear power plants. We have to IMPORT electric power from the neighbors. This toxic mixture brings me to the opinion that the best option for transportation will be a horse powered carriage, if they don't ban horses on top.
why aren't fire departments converted to EV?
😆 right?
there is an electric fire truck in America, can't remember which state is using them but you can look it up
Look up Rosenbauer hybrid fire trucks. The fire trucks have 132kWh and 155kWh batteries, plenty of stored energy and chemicals to make a mess if something goes seriously wrong. The fire trucks can be phev, like a BMWi3 with a rex. ACT's firies calculation was the rex was only likely to be used about twice a year.
@@alanb9337 that's a hybrid...just like a Prius, or a diesel train.
Because all emergency service vehicles need to be reliable. EV's are just toys for the uneducated.
My good old 2000 Grand Cherokee 4 litre six is looking better by the hour! HAPPY AUSTRALIA DAY.
Cheers from Vancouver Island
Wow, not one report on mainstream media, on any EV fire.
Strange, innit.
Keep an eye on Oxford - they have decided to go completely electric and have contracted 159 electric buses - how long before one goes up in flames.
Here is another thought , given the poisonous and toxic nature of EV fires , I would be wondering if the authorities actually do a thorough environmental forensic check of all the surfaces including walls and ventilation , etc where people have to work and breathe in that building , and tests on surrounding drains to see just what residual contamination is around .
In the news some weeks or months ago , a fellow got a smear of what looked like smoke ash from a burned EV , and a few days later he was dead , I believe he fell ill first , but nothing could be done for him.
This is serious shit , and the authorities should be looking at this and posting results and making sure people’s health is not at risk.
Cobalt is very bad news and is in most EV batteries. 2 fireman in Victoria Au got some fumes on clothing, it seeped thru to their skin, and the damage to their nervous system means they are disabled for life.
@@winstons1806I would give your comment a thumbs up, but how can you post a like for something as tragic as that, I hope the firemen involved get all the support they need from the authorities.
Or to quote Ian Fleming in the foreword of "Goldfinger": "Once is happenstance, twice is coincidence, three times is enemy action". Only in this case the "enemy action" is self-inflicted.
Seen a sad story a lady in her EV got rear ended at high speed (drunk driver) she was stuck in her car screaming she was burned to ashes in her EV the heat is very intense and hard to extinguish.
Often my bus, a diesel, is sandwiched between two giant milk floats. Does it worry me? YES.
I hope the brisbane city council are taking note of these ev bus fires, 3 in a week in london,looking good for the metro service.
Brisbane City Council are best friends with the Chinese communist party and so I don't think that's gonna happen .
In the Uk we wont hear of this because its bad publicity for the mayor of London.
When you think how the Routemaster did such a sterling service to the city and they were replaced by these!
Bring back the Trolley buses . No batteries , no recharging, no fires. Brilliant.
Oh my, another EV 🔥
That old saying is truer now more than ever! "If you can't do anything else, you can always work in government.
They seemed to extinguish this fire rather quickly, according to the report; any info on the method used to put it out; were the batteries not the source of the fire?
The batteries are at the front of the bus. So yep no batteries involved in fire. Just a lot of misreporting
@@stewart5989So what caused this third bus fire? Are you a fireman? Were you there?
@@motleydude73 From what i have read and yes the internet is more than youtube The cause of the fire/s is still being investigated. What is VERY clear though is that the fire source was no where near the battery pack. I gather you do not use the internet to check that.
@@stewart5989 Wait! But I thought these BEV were more reliable? 3 in 14 days?
@robertkubrick3738 Early reports indicate its not a lithium battery fault. So either an assembly or other type of ( design ?) fault that could happen to even an ICE vehicle.
Also you don't often see or hear about other bus fires. For instance, just checked and there are on average over 2300 fires on school buses in the USA a year. Yet you don't hear of themI
Ps my apology for doing research outside of youtube, as some consider it should be there only source of information
When I was a kid we had electric milk floats, which got replaced by diesel transits for all the reasons we see today but at least fire wasn't an issue
What a great way to "clean up Londons air" with burning buses.
The emissions from these kinds of fires are disastrous to their cause. Why is no one figuring out the carbon foot prints of the fires?
Bc it's not a politically correct thing to do - if you want to keep your career!
They probably are, but the media won't report on it.