Nice video. I have 3 ground mounts just like your 1 panel. Each set has 4-400w panels. Each set is on 4 vertical poles (your A frame) mid panel and a horizontal pole the length of the 4 panels. Heavy duty gate hinges tie the horizontal pole to the vertical poles (4 hinges). 1 actuator each set in the middle under the panels (barely gets wet). Long stroke,, 1000lb actuator ($120ea). My actuator motor is at the bottom. All the panels are tied together with 1/2inch aluminum U channel.. Well grounded.. Been in operation 5 years. In high winds I have a parking spot panels are horizontal. Survived 60mph hurricane Hillary So. Cal. Thanks for your video.
Simplicity is key to reliability. Your demo build can be easily morphed into a larger array, even dual axis if desired. Good video to explain to DIY builders!
you dont need dual axis. pivot the axes like that. if the sun is on the highest point at the day. drill a hole in a plate, stick a pencil inside the plate in an perfekt 90° angle all around . the shadow of the pen has to be no where. mount the Module in exact this angles and the axis too
More simplicity would just be to have 2-3 adjustable settings for time of year and change it based on the solar season (equinox and solaces), that's far fewer parts, and if you use 2 settings One mid point from winter solstice to equinoxes, then another mid point from equinoxes to summer solstice. The angle is the sky changes slowly compared to the tracking cross sky. Fewer moving parts = fewer failures.
That is absolutely ingenious!!!! You should put blocking diodes on the solar panels so that one panel doesn't discharge into the other when it doesn't have any light on it, it may make it a bit more efficient and able to power a larger array of panels, since the solar panel not getting any sunlight won't discharge the other panel. Not sure that it will work, though, you should try it and let us know how it works!!!
Just mount your driver panels behind the solar panel faceing the same as your main panel and the farther you have them back form the face of the main panel the more direct the suns focus on the main panel wiring can stay the same but very nice set up but ya if you make that mounting change of the diver panles they will last much longer and less chance of fire or failuire
Newbie to renewable energy. Surprise you not getting more like. This is a great concept. I have 2 x 100 watt panels and ecoflow for my sump pump backup power. Even I know you need to track a moving sun to get the best out of your panels. This great very cheap idea vs a $400+ tracker. Thank you!
When i first published this 1986, i used what was on hand a 5w panel cost $100's and they where liquid crystal, over the years i have seen some crazy variations. Keep it simple stupid is the motto :) You don't need those 20w, unless your goal is to be battery less, If however you will use a battery, this is what i do 36 years in the future. Little 5v cell wired to a Logic Level mosfet, or an arduino mosfet module for each axis east & west running from battery to mosfet to actuator, when the cell is flat to the side only one side will ever see the sun, 2 more and you have azimuth. The cheapest and easiest setup are panels balanced on a pole and U clamped for east west. The end of the pole is raised or lowered for azimuth. I hope this helps :)
Thanks for he info. Really I don't think it can get any more simple than what I have, 2 small panels, and a linear actuator, all of which are basically dirt cheap these days. I rebuilt this unit, it now has two even larger main panels, check it out ua-cam.com/video/gHZCTBCteW0/v-deo.html
Nice and very simple doable design, I would put the actuator in the middle with extra sticks to hold the actuator to the panel and the base to better balance it's load. Nice to see the kid in the background at 8:27 watching the explanation. 😀
Great idea having the solar panels oppose one another. The problems I see are... The only thing holding the solar panel in place is the actuator. The larger the surface area of the panel the more stress on it due to wind. Moving parts fail over time. Will the extra parts pay for themselves over time before they fail? Another solution would be mounting two panels (with blocking diodes) in slightly different directions (east and west) In the morning the east panel provides most of the power. In the evening the west panel provides most of the power. During the middle of the day, they both contribute. Solar panels are cheap and don't have moving parts. This is why most large solar arrays don't use trackers. It is more cost effective and reliable to just add more panels. Your tracker idea was quite creative though. If I were to grade it... It would get an A+.
Slick! Thais is the kind of thinking that we need to solve some of the problems ahead. And yes, a spherical mount with two linear motors could be made to work.
I would use this design as a controller to move a bigger and more powerful motor and solar panel rack(s). Two of these could control the tilt N-S and E-W.
You can increment the motor steps program as per the time of day because the sun will always rise in east and set in west. No need to track the luminosity using a sensor and complicate the system.
Love you his simple system. I do have a 100 watt panel in each end without an actuator. It’s not really a waste. But now I might put smaller end panels like yours.
Great idea! Thnnks for sharing. Triganometry can be used to determine the positioning of the ram and correct force of the ram, using inverse SIN if I recall correctly, easy to find a calculator on the net. Much quicker than trial and error with positioning. Cheers
Great job! Im building a second trailer solar set up for portability. This would be a great addition to it. I have two harbor freight 5w small panels for the actuators power. Will have to see if they provide enough power. Sure hope that they would work. They have been lying around for years.
Item of possible interest: the linear actuator you're using requires 2 volts at 0.5amp to begin to move in either direction. No surprise that some of the movements are jerky - it gets just enough power to move and as it moves the available power increases so it moves faster until the other solar panel produces enough power to slow/stop movement. The specs say 0.4 amp minimum but testing with a 12.6 volt regulated supply finds that extension or retraction with no load takes about 0.7 amp to start motion and it varies from 0.55 to 0.7 amp. The actuator is rated for a maximum of 225lbs so do be careful of where you put your fingers when running the actuator from a 12 volt source. That could probably move a fairly substantial solar array but they do NOT list the actuator's static holding capability. That's something you'll find on commercial and military specs: moving load: 20lbs; static load: 700lbs. Be nice to know if you're moving something that might be a big wind load.
Imo the most efficient way is to track the sun due to formulas. I believe this can be done even with some arduino, like in astrophoto. And no issues with clouds etc. No extra power wasting for calibrating moves
Nice villa with swimming pool! There is little kid too. The idea is low tech. I learned something today. I thought +and - should never be connected together. I'm solar ecosystem, it can.
@@AndrewJohnson149 Nice dude! I would love to see that in action. I'm wondering if/or at what point will we need larger panels? Today I grabbed a 2x6x8 (lumber) so I can mount the two 435w panels across. Here's a tip, keep the wires coming from the panels to the actuator the same length. This will ensure the actuator is seeing the voltage right in the middle, and not biased towards one side panel. Also the wire you use needs to be capable handing the short circuit voltage. I'm using 18awg and nothing is getting hot. if you use higher wattage panels you probably will need larger wire.
Pretty ingenious! Congrats! You could use smaller panels driving some relays that activate the actuators running of a 12v battery setup, instead of driving the actuators directly off the panels. Obviously, you would have to supply a way of recharging the battery but that's easy once you have PV energy. I just love the fact that it uses no electronic boards or sensors. Cheers from Puerto Rico
Super clever, super simple, super well explained and recorded. Sure thing the actuator needs to be weather protected or it will not last, perhaps you can mount it in the middle under the panel so rain will not reach it. A rubber cover over the motor will also help. The two sensor panels could be mounted together in the center of the pivot axis to release the lever action of the panel lenght and lower the mass/weight the actuator has to move ( it is balanced but mass/inertia is still there ). I am thinking the actuator motor will always be receiving a small voltage until the voltage-sums become enough for it to move, so maybe, this small constant voltage on the motor might shorten its life due to brush/coil heat and its ability to dissipate that heat, maybe an electrical relays(s) could releive that energy to a much smaller amount, I will brainstorm on that. I simply love your design, is just very smart thinking, congrats 1000 times.
Thanks! Yes you're correct the motor does receive a small amount of power while it's stalled. I was worried about this, but the motor is hardly even warm. The stall power is clearly being dissipated as heat in the motor, but it's such a small amount seems not to cause any immediate harm. Possibly over years of use it will shorten? This one has already ran over a year. I have disassembled the tracker right now, and I'm rebuilding it so it has a better balance. Thanks
Awesome information (it was hard to get past the intro music). I'm going to do this. I have 2x 200w bifacial panels on the way, and thinking about adding a 3rd even before getting them. I've seen the expensive pre-made versions of these trackers. I want something that is not so permanent. So for me, the solar would be to use in times of multiple days without power. I want something I can quickly set up and not have to put a permanent slab down.
I like this design. I only have few panels but I'm trying to maximize what I get out of them. Spend too much and I might as well just buy more panels and leave them fixed. So such designs as this are useful. I likely will implement some variation. Thank you
cool idea for places with absolutely no wind, I regularly get 100+ kph winds at my place so if a panel is not strapped down in at least 6 places to a hefty metal frame it will be gone in the morning
Excellent concept I'm thinking if you add a small 12v battery you can even have it reset to face East once the sun sets. Maybe with a time clock to have it reset back to East at night. This is really cool getting pretty much Max power from start to end of the day from this setup.
Very cool setup, I was thinking about doing something very similar but with 8x panels along the top of a fence that runs north/south so the panels would track east/west.
@@BradCagle How many panels do you think those actuators could manage? My other concern is if the fence would blow over since adding those panels would catch a lot of wind!
@@BradCagle and what about fixing the solar panel to the Linear Actuator? Does Linear Actuator keep wind pressure on solar panel? whether the panel does not shake under the influence of the wind?
I might post a second saw horse in parallel. Mount an east and west facing non moving panels. Have that second set powering all actuators along a parallel system of 2 4 6 and so on.
use a ball hinge in the center and do the same actuator set up on the other axis and you can have a true multi-dimensional panel which is always facing perfectly perpendicular to the sun no matter what elevation or lat-long you're located at, maximizing the collection of solar rays and increasing the charge your battery packs will receive. at least that's how i did it
If I use a longer actuator ...or even 2 mounted either side - would that give me more stability in high winds? I even thought to expand your method to a universal pivot mount with 2(or 4) actuators which would enable the unit to track the sun on both vertical and horizontal axis'. Your thoughts?
I have a couple of these actuators on my chicken coop. The one inside the coop has been in place for almost 4 years now. Still going stong. The one outside on the run door....eh....two years maybe....and it did freeze thisbpast winter. However...it isnt under a set of panels. I think they would be fine. Need more power? Run higher output panels for the actuator.
A site called redrock solar has circuits that use the fact that green leds act like pv cells and produce electricity when exposed to light to make trackers. Simple little H bridge like circuits that use very little energy to move the array. At least they did about twenty years ago. You could also use two tanks connected with pipe (creatively shaded) with one tank worth of propane between the two. The tank exposed to more sun vaporizes the propane in that tank and it condenses in the other more shaded cooler tank making the see-saw move with no moving parts except the hinge.
@@mikeweber9766 I remember them well we had a subscription and we had a homestead/horse boarding stable at the time. I also remember this being in the mother earth news using 20 lbs propane tanks to track the sun. It was only single axis tracking but it was cool because it used no power. New propane tanks won't work right since they changed the knobs to triangular, some safety change to prevent over fill I think. The one I suggested as a modern alternative does require a small solar panel a small battery and liniar actuators like the ones used to level campers and aim old C band satellite dishes. But they are 2 axis trackers. The original use was for aiming parabolic diches exactly at the sun to keep the focal point perfectly illuminated, usually the feed horn was replaced with an aluminum block with copper pipes embedded in it as a make shift boiler. A one way valve like in a drip coffee maker can make it "pump" the hot water to a raised tank but the tank must be vented and not under pressure but can be used as a heat exchanger by running water pipes through it that are under pressure. Still need a safety pressure relief valve on the pressurized side. Freeze protection is an issue if it's in the north. I don't think trackers are worth the effort and wouldn't seriously consider them for a PV system now that panels are so much cheaper than back then. Maybe for a solar water heater for a summer or vacation cottage or where freezing isn't an issue.
@@ghz24 I couldn’t recall any details about the article and didn’t have any interest in solar at that time. Odd the things that a person remembers. I guess it just really impressed me as a creative idea. It was an amazing magazine during those times.
@@mikeweber9766 They may have had multiple articles on it they would sometimes cover the same concept with minor changes. It is definitely a rich source for modern youtube homesteading creators. A whole generation that doesn't know it's just plagerized from older work like the hyperloop was.
This is absolutely amazing so much so I just built one myself. It works perfectly until I wire both panels together and it just stops? What could be causing this please? Do I need a blocking dioad on the one panel? Thanks
Good job, nice & simple. Maybe you could actually ground mount the 2 panels & still get the same effect. I think diodes to stop back feed of panels would also help, but this is really great to see something so simple that works. Cheers
The two "sensor" panels must stay attached to the panel to give the differential currents to the motor so placing them on the ground won't do. As the sun travels in its arc, the appropriate panel supplies the correct polarity current to drive the motor in the proper direction. When both panels recieve the same sunlight intensity (because the main panel is now aligned with the sun and both sensor panels are equally exposed to the sunlight), the sensor panels' currents cancel and the motor stops. My inclination would be to use very small panels, feeding the bases of a couple of pass transistors, with a battery to the motor switched on by those transistors. Also, if I'm not mistaken, many panels, if not most, are already equiped with a reverse current protection diode.
@@spamcan2551has anyone tried it? I think on the ground will work, just angle them to east and west. That way you can use larger driver panels and move more panels/weight.
Thank you for sharing. Can you please provide more detail about the two smaller solar panels? You stated 20w but what are their measurements. Do you have a link for them?
All studies only showed additional yields of between 20% (single-axis) and 37%. Due to the extreme drop in the price of solar modules tracking systems are now superfluous. In any case, they are mechanics and need maintenance. It is much cheaper and much more reliable to simply install more solar modules.
Elegant solution. Just wondering what you need to do to keep wind from interfering? It's very sunny here year round, but frequently very windy as well.
Thanks. Yeah I've recently been thinking about wind, others have been asking too. I'm kind thinking a small wind generator, maybe 20 watt that will power the actuator to move it to center/level if the wind is blowing. Would need some center switch that would stop the power from the wind generator when the panel is level. Mercury switches?
Nice dimensions, basics are fine. You might consider making a frame (like aluminium window blinds) that rotate smaller segment adjacent to each other in the same direction in parallel. That way you could make it larger without to worry about the balance. Basically the outer frame would be horizontal and could be mounted on a roof or vertically on a stand in a garden. Smaller footprint and you would be able to do the second axis by rotating the solar blind on its stand. You will have to make the blinds with solar cells yourself. Maybe i did not explain adequately.
Yeah, explaining this stuff in a comment adequately turns into a book! I really can’t picture your idea, but I just wrote up a description in a reply to his reply to me about a setup inspired by his. I’m thinking I may have fallen far short of making it clear too.
@@BradCagle Oh cool, I was wondering about how those work. It obviously has to stop movement in one direction but still allow it in the other (else it would never reset). So I guess internally it's limit switches in conjunction with bypass diodes.
@BradCagle it's a nice one, however usually panels are tilted toward south so that it can receive sunlight most of the time. I understand that direct sunlight is better but would like to know from you if you used some tools to measure generated power with this setup versus the normal fixed setup toward south. What would be the difference?
Nice simple system there. Personaly I dont think biaxial would really gain all that much and would significantly complicate the build. The optimal north/south angle does not really change much throughout the day and even throughout the year your only looking at marginal gains from adjusting it to be perfect over aligning it with the equinox angle and calling it good. You'd probably be better off tilting the whole array to some fixed angle on the north/south axis and calling it a day and let the east/west suntracker do its thing.
Well since the two panels basically cancel each other out you have to have enough of a difference in panel output to generate enough motor torque to drive the actuator/move the load. Basically the motor is always operating in a brown-out state. Because of that this works well on a very small scale but it does not typically up-scale well as the motor is passing current but not rotating to dissipate heat. Notice how no one makes production versions of these? Another way to do this is with a voltage sensing relay circuit monitoring a small single panel partially hidden/shaded behind the main panel. As the sun passes over the main panel and strikes progressively more and more of the small panel, it will eventually exceed a certain set voltage. The volt sense circuit will then close a relay to power the actuator which will re-shade the sense panel and the voltage drop will open the relay and stop the motor until the sun moves enough to increase the voltage. You use a small battery and charge circuit fed by the main panel to provide the motor current switched by the volt sense relay. A limit switch returns the panel to the morning home position and readies it for the next run. This way the motor is always fed adequate current to start instantly and run properly. It can get out of sync if you have long periods of clouds, but if the sun can touch the sense panel eventually it will command the actuator to advance the panel…
You need to go back to physics class, and electrical too. No one makes it because of greed, not impracticality. There is only one tracking system in existence. No one wants to do the research. This setup up is both scalable and perfect.
@@5400bowen “no one makes it because of greed”? Please explain that. If I can make a better and simpler mouse trap and sell it for less than my competitors and capture their potential customers, greed would compel me to do so wouldn’t it? The easier it is to produce, the greater the profit right? The problem is when you make something for sale, you as a manufacturer are responsible for ALL ASPECTS of it working as intended, or you will forever be paying for warranty repairs and providing parts, or develop a bad reputation so no one will buy it. Or if it is bad enough, suffering thru a class action lawsuit… Perhaps YOU should go back to economics class. You also apparently don’t understand how electric motors cool. They need to spin at their rated RPM. Running a motor under load with low voltage @ low rpm causes them to overheat, shortening their life… will this thing even develop enough force to overcome wind blowing against the underside of the opposite end of the panel? A backyard utube demo is not the real world… which is why I described a very simple method of driving the motor properly so it can deliver full push/pull when commanded, and not hold the motor under constant current until it develops enough force to move the panel. Perhaps you are correct “they” don’t make it because of greed, because “they” ultimately want to MAKE money and not LOOSE it on an ultimately unprofitable product that doesn’t work in the long run under all circumstances/conditions a panel out in the weather might experience. I welcome you to put YOUR money where your mouth is and bring one of these simple and better trackers to market…
@@ghz24 there is a voltage and current difference due to one panel getting more light than the other. If you measure the voltage coming out of panels, it varies with the light intensity. At noon theoretically the power is the same, so the panel would be flat.
@@5400bowen But once they are in equilibrium there is no voltage difference hence no current. I guess your point is the actuator is not ever getting 12 volts but only a couple volts when it's moving?
Nice, but how does the actuator handle wind? Was thinking of one that would be manually adjusted on the wall, but I am afraid of the wind ripping such a construction.
Here is PEET 2 with two panels ua-cam.com/video/gHZCTBCteW0/v-deo.html
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Nice video. I have 3 ground mounts just like your 1 panel. Each set has 4-400w panels. Each set is on 4 vertical poles (your A frame) mid panel and a horizontal pole the length of the 4 panels. Heavy duty gate hinges tie the horizontal pole to the vertical poles (4 hinges). 1 actuator each set in the middle under the panels (barely gets wet). Long stroke,, 1000lb actuator ($120ea). My actuator motor is at the bottom. All the panels are tied together with 1/2inch aluminum U channel.. Well grounded.. Been in operation 5 years. In high winds I have a parking spot panels are horizontal. Survived 60mph hurricane Hillary So. Cal.
Thanks for your video.
Wow, that's an awesome setup. Thanks for sharing the details :)
Simplicity is key to reliability. Your demo build can be easily morphed into a larger array, even dual axis if desired. Good video to explain to DIY builders!
Thanks! Yeah I have already built a larger array with the same concept.
you dont need dual axis. pivot the axes like that. if the sun is on the highest point at the day. drill a hole in a plate, stick a pencil inside the plate in an perfekt 90° angle all around . the shadow of the pen has to be no where. mount the Module in exact this angles and the axis too
"Mini Solar Tracker simple" video on my channel. a little project
More simplicity would just be to have 2-3 adjustable settings for time of year and change it based on the solar season (equinox and solaces), that's far fewer parts, and if you use 2 settings One mid point from winter solstice to equinoxes, then another mid point from equinoxes to summer solstice. The angle is the sky changes slowly compared to the tracking cross sky. Fewer moving parts = fewer failures.
@@jalindellgood thinking, I’ve been chewing over the north south thing too.
That is absolutely ingenious!!!! You should put blocking diodes on the solar panels so that one panel doesn't discharge into the other when it doesn't have any light on it, it may make it a bit more efficient and able to power a larger array of panels, since the solar panel not getting any sunlight won't discharge the other panel. Not sure that it will work, though, you should try it and let us know how it works!!!
Thank you! Yes, I was actually thinking the blocking diodes initially too. I will totally try them.
I was actually thinking this when watching the video. I think this will work...
@@wullie1320 the blocking diodes won't do anything useful. Tried them. They actually just burn more power from the voltage drop.
@@BradCagle good to know! Thank you!
Just mount your driver panels behind the solar panel faceing the same as your main panel and the farther you have them back form the face of the main panel the more direct the suns focus on the main panel wiring can stay the same but very nice set up but ya if you make that mounting change of the diver panles they will last much longer and less chance of fire or failuire
Love the simplicity of this design. Great video!
That is such a simple design. it just proves you dont need loads of electronics to solve a problem. Thanks. Just what i'm looking for.
This simplicity of this is brilliant.
Thanks!
Newbie to renewable energy. Surprise you not getting more like. This is a great concept. I have 2 x 100 watt panels and ecoflow for my sump pump backup power. Even I know you need to track a moving sun to get the best out of your panels. This great very cheap idea vs a $400+ tracker. Thank you!
because this is not a new concept
When i first published this 1986, i used what was on hand a 5w panel cost $100's and they where liquid crystal, over the years i have seen some crazy variations. Keep it simple stupid is the motto :) You don't need those 20w, unless your goal is to be battery less, If however you will use a battery, this is what i do 36 years in the future. Little 5v cell wired to a Logic Level mosfet, or an arduino mosfet module for each axis east & west running from battery to mosfet to actuator, when the cell is flat to the side only one side will ever see the sun, 2 more and you have azimuth. The cheapest and easiest setup are panels balanced on a pole and U clamped for east west. The end of the pole is raised or lowered for azimuth. I hope this helps :)
Thanks for he info. Really I don't think it can get any more simple than what I have, 2 small panels, and a linear actuator, all of which are basically dirt cheap these days. I rebuilt this unit, it now has two even larger main panels, check it out ua-cam.com/video/gHZCTBCteW0/v-deo.html
This is the most basic. I was actually looking for an Arduino build. I thought of my own design while driving or something.
Nice and very simple doable design, I would put the actuator in the middle with extra sticks to hold the actuator to the panel and the base to better balance it's load. Nice to see the kid in the background at 8:27 watching the explanation. 😀
Great idea having the solar panels oppose one another.
The problems I see are...
The only thing holding the solar panel in place is the actuator. The larger the surface area of the panel the more stress on it due to wind.
Moving parts fail over time. Will the extra parts pay for themselves over time before they fail?
Another solution would be mounting two panels (with blocking diodes) in slightly different directions (east and west)
In the morning the east panel provides most of the power. In the evening the west panel provides most of the power.
During the middle of the day, they both contribute.
Solar panels are cheap and don't have moving parts. This is why most large solar arrays don't use trackers. It is more cost effective and reliable to just add more panels.
Your tracker idea was quite creative though. If I were to grade it... It would get an A+.
WOW, so simple but yet effective, thank you for sharing this and your experience as well.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Slick! Thais is the kind of thinking that we need to solve some of the problems ahead. And yes, a spherical mount with two linear motors could be made to work.
Thanks!
I would use this design as a controller to move a bigger and more powerful motor and solar panel rack(s). Two of these could control the tilt N-S and E-W.
Hey, that's a good idea! Thanks
Man this is so awesome. Simple and yet very effective. Thank you so much for making this video.I will definitely be doing this also!
You can increment the motor steps program as per the time of day because the sun will always rise in east and set in west. No need to track the luminosity using a sensor and complicate the system.
I general I like the simplicity of this approach. In reality, most everywhere a solar mounting system must be prepared for high wind.
Yup, I agree. I had some ideas to automatically flatten it out in high winds. Just have not tried to implement yet. Thanks
Love you his simple system. I do have a 100 watt panel in each end without an actuator. It’s not really a waste. But now I might put smaller end panels like yours.
Dude❤ simple, clever, efficient, and ingenious. Your gonna save me so much money. Thank you!
Great idea! Thnnks for sharing. Triganometry can be used to determine the positioning of the ram and correct force of the ram, using inverse SIN if I recall correctly, easy to find a calculator on the net. Much quicker than trial and error with positioning. Cheers
Great job! Im building a second trailer solar set up for portability. This would be a great addition to it. I have two harbor freight 5w small panels for the actuators power. Will have to see if they provide enough power. Sure hope that they would work. They have been lying around for years.
Yes yes and yes.. nothing else to say. Great job Brad!
Thank you sooo much!
This is a brilliant idea! Thank you for sharing. I'm definitely going to add this to my setup.
Man this is the second time i saw this video pop up and it still kinda amazes me that it works like it does.
Thanks!
Perfect for people who live in the Equator where the sun moves from East to West very well.
Item of possible interest: the linear actuator you're using requires 2 volts at 0.5amp to begin to move in either direction. No surprise that some of the movements are jerky - it gets just enough power to move and as it moves the available power increases so it moves faster until the other solar panel produces enough power to slow/stop movement.
The specs say 0.4 amp minimum but testing with a 12.6 volt regulated supply finds that extension or retraction with no load takes about 0.7 amp to start motion and it varies from 0.55 to 0.7 amp.
The actuator is rated for a maximum of 225lbs so do be careful of where you put your fingers when running the actuator from a 12 volt source. That could probably move a fairly substantial solar array but they do NOT list the actuator's static holding capability. That's something you'll find on commercial and military specs: moving load: 20lbs; static load: 700lbs. Be nice to know if you're moving something that might be a big wind load.
Imo the most efficient way is to track the sun due to formulas. I believe this can be done even with some arduino, like in astrophoto. And no issues with clouds etc. No extra power wasting for calibrating moves
This is such a clever and effective concept. Well done man!
Thanks!
Nice villa with swimming pool! There is little kid too. The idea is low tech. I learned something today. I thought +and - should never be connected together. I'm solar ecosystem, it can.
GENIOUS!!! This is fantastic. I hope you keep working on improving this because this is an absolute game changer. Thank you!!
Thanks. I'm currently working on expanding it to two 435w panels.
@@BradCagle I'm considering using this on a 5S2P setup for 10 365w panels. Makes a lot of sense.
@@AndrewJohnson149 Nice dude! I would love to see that in action. I'm wondering if/or at what point will we need larger panels? Today I grabbed a 2x6x8 (lumber) so I can mount the two 435w panels across. Here's a tip, keep the wires coming from the panels to the actuator the same length. This will ensure the actuator is seeing the voltage right in the middle, and not biased towards one side panel. Also the wire you use needs to be capable handing the short circuit voltage. I'm using 18awg and nothing is getting hot. if you use higher wattage panels you probably will need larger wire.
@@BradCagle Thanks for the info! Once I take a loan out for the wood, I'll start building lol
@@AndrewJohnson149 I know that's right. My grandson asked me to build a treehouse, I told him I'd have to take a 2nd mortgage, lol.
I like your idea I thought about using a old garage door opener.
Pretty ingenious! Congrats! You could use smaller panels driving some relays that activate the actuators running of a 12v battery setup, instead of driving the actuators directly off the panels. Obviously, you would have to supply a way of recharging the battery but that's easy once you have PV energy. I just love the fact that it uses no electronic boards or sensors. Cheers from Puerto Rico
Thanks!
Not much to discuss really, simply brilliant!
Thanks!
Place the actuator in the center of the panel to prevent it getting rained on.
Great job !! Simple with no additional electronics.
Thanks!
Super clever, super simple, super well explained and recorded. Sure thing the actuator needs to be weather protected or it will not last, perhaps you can mount it in the middle under the panel so rain will not reach it. A rubber cover over the motor will also help. The two sensor panels could be mounted together in the center of the pivot axis to release the lever action of the panel lenght and lower the mass/weight the actuator has to move ( it is balanced but mass/inertia is still there ). I am thinking the actuator motor will always be receiving a small voltage until the voltage-sums become enough for it to move, so maybe, this small constant voltage on the motor might shorten its life due to brush/coil heat and its ability to dissipate that heat, maybe an electrical relays(s) could releive that energy to a much smaller amount, I will brainstorm on that. I simply love your design, is just very smart thinking, congrats 1000 times.
Thanks! Yes you're correct the motor does receive a small amount of power while it's stalled. I was worried about this, but the motor is hardly even warm. The stall power is clearly being dissipated as heat in the motor, but it's such a small amount seems not to cause any immediate harm. Possibly over years of use it will shorten? This one has already ran over a year. I have disassembled the tracker right now, and I'm rebuilding it so it has a better balance. Thanks
Please upload the new video of new position @@BradCagle
Awesome information (it was hard to get past the intro music). I'm going to do this. I have 2x 200w bifacial panels on the way, and thinking about adding a 3rd even before getting them. I've seen the expensive pre-made versions of these trackers. I want something that is not so permanent. So for me, the solar would be to use in times of multiple days without power. I want something I can quickly set up and not have to put a permanent slab down.
I like this design. I only have few panels but I'm trying to maximize what I get out of them. Spend too much and I might as well just buy more panels and leave them fixed. So such designs as this are useful. I likely will implement some variation. Thank you
Zero programming for seasonal difference or time changes! Love it!
Great video! The wheels are turning…Thanks for sharing!
You're welcome! Check out my two panel version ua-cam.com/video/gHZCTBCteW0/v-deo.html
I dont have solar panels but Im thinking about that and I was thinking one needs to have them move with the Sun. Good job.
cool idea for places with absolutely no wind, I regularly get 100+ kph winds at my place so if a panel is not strapped down in at least 6 places to a hefty metal frame it will be gone in the morning
It would still work in your location. Just would need a different base. Probably concreting in 6x6 posts.
Excellent concept I'm thinking if you add a small 12v battery you can even have it reset to face East once the sun sets. Maybe with a time clock to have it reset back to East at night. This is really cool getting pretty much Max power from start to end of the day from this setup.
It already resets back to east. In the morning the sun will illuminate that east facing panel on the end, and drive it all the way back. Thanks
Ived made a thesis project out of this way back in 2015. It has dual axis, can be plug and play..
I see the power of human brain. Great job, perfectly simple. 👍✌️
Aww, thank you!
This is a very simple but very cool design.
Thanks!
Great solution! I will build one soon. thank you for sharing... 👍
Very cool setup, I was thinking about doing something very similar but with 8x panels along the top of a fence that runs north/south so the panels would track east/west.
That would be rad!
@@BradCagle How many panels do you think those actuators could manage? My other concern is if the fence would blow over since adding those panels would catch a lot of wind!
And bracing on a weaker fence would suffice.
Dude, that is genius!
yup.. i would build off his concept for sure!
Thank you boss for sharing extraordinary content, always successful, greetings from Indonesia🎉🎉🎉❤
Amazing simple solution - love it!
The panels that steer it should be on the side of the main panel in a wedge formation to have tiny steps and follow the sun more closely.
Seems to me this would work great if you live near the equator and there was never any wind. Given this it is a great setup😊
Now you just have to put that on a rotating platform that will also track East to South to West.
WOW! Great simplicity! 😮😊
how does this structure hold wind forces? Were any issues connected with wind?
Not very good LOL. I've had it topple twice. So you need to fix it to the ground for sure.
@@BradCagle and what about fixing the solar panel to the Linear Actuator? Does Linear Actuator keep wind pressure on solar panel? whether the panel does not shake under the influence of the wind?
I might post a second saw horse in parallel. Mount an east and west facing non moving panels. Have that second set powering all actuators along a parallel system of 2 4 6 and so on.
use a ball hinge in the center and do the same actuator set up on the other axis and you can have a true multi-dimensional panel which is always facing perfectly perpendicular to the sun no matter what elevation or lat-long you're located at, maximizing the collection of solar rays and increasing the charge your battery packs will receive.
at least that's how i did it
Why isn’t the profile of the energy generated in a sunny day constant with a solar tracker from sunrise to sunset?
the second access axis should not pivot, but turn like a turret. there are several trackers on YT wired up like this
Gut 😃👍 habe auch so eine Anlage mit 2 Platten 😊
you are a genius, thanks for sharing
You're welcome, and thanks!
I like it. Nice simple design.
If I use a longer actuator ...or even 2 mounted either side - would that give me more stability in high winds? I even thought to expand your method to a universal pivot mount with 2(or 4) actuators which would enable the unit to track the sun on both vertical and horizontal axis'. Your thoughts?
So awesome! Thank you for sharing!
Any chance of a wiring diagram or schematic?
Watch this ua-cam.com/video/ADIUlVR0bh4/v-deo.html
I have a couple of these actuators on my chicken coop. The one inside the coop has been in place for almost 4 years now. Still going stong. The one outside on the run door....eh....two years maybe....and it did freeze thisbpast winter. However...it isnt under a set of panels. I think they would be fine.
Need more power? Run higher output panels for the actuator.
Absolute Genius!!!
Patent It!!!
Again, Absolute Genius!!!
Thanks!
A site called redrock solar has circuits that use the fact that green leds act like pv cells and produce electricity when exposed to light to make trackers. Simple little H bridge like circuits that use very little energy to move the array.
At least they did about twenty years ago.
You could also use two tanks connected with pipe (creatively shaded) with one tank worth of propane between the two. The tank exposed to more sun vaporizes the propane in that tank and it condenses in the other more shaded cooler tank making the see-saw move with no moving parts except the hinge.
I saw that 2 gas container idea in an article in the old magazine “Mother Earth News” decades ago (1980s?).
@@mikeweber9766 I remember them well we had a subscription and we had a homestead/horse boarding stable at the time.
I also remember this being in the mother earth news using 20 lbs propane tanks to track the sun. It was only single axis tracking but it was cool because it used no power. New propane tanks won't work right since they changed the knobs to triangular, some safety change to prevent over fill I think.
The one I suggested as a modern alternative does require a small solar panel a small battery and liniar actuators like the ones used to level campers and aim old C band satellite dishes.
But they are 2 axis trackers. The original use was for aiming parabolic diches exactly at the sun to keep the focal point perfectly illuminated, usually the feed horn was replaced with an aluminum block with copper pipes embedded in it as a make shift boiler.
A one way valve like in a drip coffee maker can make it "pump" the hot water to a raised tank but the tank must be vented and not under pressure but can be used as a heat exchanger by running water pipes through it that are under pressure. Still need a safety pressure relief valve on the pressurized side.
Freeze protection is an issue if it's in the north.
I don't think trackers are worth the effort and wouldn't seriously consider them for a PV system now that panels are so much cheaper than back then.
Maybe for a solar water heater for a summer or vacation cottage or where freezing isn't an issue.
@@ghz24 I couldn’t recall any details about the article and didn’t have any interest in solar at that time. Odd the things that a person remembers. I guess it just really impressed me as a creative idea. It was an amazing magazine during those times.
@@mikeweber9766 They may have had multiple articles on it they would sometimes cover the same concept with minor changes.
It is definitely a rich source for modern youtube homesteading creators.
A whole generation that doesn't know it's just plagerized from older work like the hyperloop was.
You know this guy lives in paradise when the animal sounds in the background sounds like an added soundtrack.
Oh man, I never noticed all the birds chatting until you mentioned it! Just a spring morning in Texas, I wish it was paradise 🙃
This is absolutely amazing so much so I just built one myself. It works perfectly until I wire both panels together and it just stops? What could be causing this please? Do I need a blocking dioad on the one panel? Thanks
i like yer door hinges concept . the technology gets better . may i use this . thanks
Thanks! Absolutely, you can use it.
Dang!!!!! Outstanding!!
Thanks!
Great background music!
Very smart, welldone Sir..
Good job, nice & simple. Maybe you could actually ground mount the 2 panels & still get the same effect.
I think diodes to stop back feed of panels would also help, but this is really great to see something so simple that works. Cheers
Thanks!
The two "sensor" panels must stay attached to the panel to give the differential currents to the motor so placing them on the ground won't do. As the sun travels in its arc, the appropriate panel supplies the correct polarity current to drive the motor in the proper direction. When both panels recieve the same sunlight intensity (because the main panel is now aligned with the sun and both sensor panels are equally exposed to the sunlight), the sensor panels' currents cancel and the motor stops. My inclination would be to use very small panels, feeding the bases of a couple of pass transistors, with a battery to the motor switched on by those transistors. Also, if I'm not mistaken, many panels, if not most, are already equiped with a reverse current protection diode.
@@spamcan2551has anyone tried it? I think on the ground will work, just angle them to east and west. That way you can use larger driver panels and move more panels/weight.
Thank you for sharing. Can you please provide more detail about the two smaller solar panels? You stated 20w but what are their measurements. Do you have a link for them?
All studies only showed additional yields of between 20% (single-axis) and 37%.
Due to the extreme drop in the price of solar modules tracking systems are now superfluous. In any case, they are mechanics and need maintenance.
It is much cheaper and much more reliable to simply install more solar modules.
True in many cases. However the most overlooked use case is space confinement. You don't always have space to add 20 - 37% more panels. Thanks
Elegant solution. Just wondering what you need to do to keep wind from interfering? It's very sunny here year round, but frequently very windy as well.
Thanks. Yeah I've recently been thinking about wind, others have been asking too. I'm kind thinking a small wind generator, maybe 20 watt that will power the actuator to move it to center/level if the wind is blowing. Would need some center switch that would stop the power from the wind generator when the panel is level. Mercury switches?
This is brilliant. What's the power output increase compared to a stationary power ?
Nice! Good job.
Nice dimensions, basics are fine. You might consider making a frame (like aluminium window blinds) that rotate smaller segment adjacent to each other in the same direction in parallel. That way you could make it larger without to worry about the balance. Basically the outer frame would be horizontal and could be mounted on a roof or vertically on a stand in a garden. Smaller footprint and you would be able to do the second axis by rotating the solar blind on its stand. You will have to make the blinds with solar cells yourself. Maybe i did not explain adequately.
Yeah, explaining this stuff in a comment adequately turns into a book! I really can’t picture your idea, but I just wrote up a description in a reply to his reply to me about a setup inspired by his. I’m thinking I may have fallen far short of making it clear too.
good idea
Thanks!
Great an Simple
thanks!
Looks good.
If both panel are energized , 36 volts maximum directly short circuited 2 panels at high noon, what might happen to the panels?
I've been thinking about this, but with some form of limit switches.
The actuator has limit switches built-in, so no need.
@@BradCagle Oh cool, I was wondering about how those work. It obviously has to stop movement in one direction but still allow it in the other (else it would never reset). So I guess internally it's limit switches in conjunction with bypass diodes.
How much power do you make with this system compared to just lying it flat on the ground?
@BradCagle it's a nice one, however usually panels are tilted toward south so that it can receive sunlight most of the time. I understand that direct sunlight is better but would like to know from you if you used some tools to measure generated power with this setup versus the normal fixed setup toward south. What would be the difference?
That's great video, I just wonder how would this set up act in heavy winds?
The wind has toppled it over once. Probably need to stake it down. Thanks!
Nice simple system there. Personaly I dont think biaxial would really gain all that much and would significantly complicate the build. The optimal north/south angle does not really change much throughout the day and even throughout the year your only looking at marginal gains from adjusting it to be perfect over aligning it with the equinox angle and calling it good. You'd probably be better off tilting the whole array to some fixed angle on the north/south axis and calling it a day and let the east/west suntracker do its thing.
I will build one , Thanks!
You're welcome!
Such a great idea !
Ecoflow sells a complicated electronic sun tracker for 3000€ 😂🤣
Well since the two panels basically cancel each other out you have to have enough of a difference in panel output to generate enough motor torque to drive the actuator/move the load. Basically the motor is always operating in a brown-out state. Because of that this works well on a very small scale but it does not typically up-scale well as the motor is passing current but not rotating to dissipate heat. Notice how no one makes production versions of these? Another way to do this is with a voltage sensing relay circuit monitoring a small single panel partially hidden/shaded behind the main panel. As the sun passes over the main panel and strikes progressively more and more of the small panel, it will eventually exceed a certain set voltage. The volt sense circuit will then close a relay to power the actuator which will re-shade the sense panel and the voltage drop will open the relay and stop the motor until the sun moves enough to increase the voltage. You use a small battery and charge circuit fed by the main panel to provide the motor current switched by the volt sense relay. A limit switch returns the panel to the morning home position and readies it for the next run. This way the motor is always fed adequate current to start instantly and run properly. It can get out of sync if you have long periods of clouds, but if the sun can touch the sense panel eventually it will command the actuator to advance the panel…
You need to go back to physics class, and electrical too. No one makes it because of greed, not impracticality. There is only one tracking system in existence. No one wants to do the research. This setup up is both scalable and perfect.
@@5400bowen “no one makes it because of greed”? Please explain that. If I can make a better and simpler mouse trap and sell it for less than my competitors and capture their potential customers, greed would compel me to do so wouldn’t it? The easier it is to produce, the greater the profit right? The problem is when you make something for sale, you as a manufacturer are responsible for ALL ASPECTS of it working as intended, or you will forever be paying for warranty repairs and providing parts, or develop a bad reputation so no one will buy it. Or if it is bad enough, suffering thru a class action lawsuit… Perhaps YOU should go back to economics class. You also apparently don’t understand how electric motors cool. They need to spin at their rated RPM. Running a motor under load with low voltage @ low rpm causes them to overheat, shortening their life… will this thing even develop enough force to overcome wind blowing against the underside of the opposite end of the panel? A backyard utube demo is not the real world… which is why I described a very simple method of driving the motor properly so it can deliver full push/pull when commanded, and not hold the motor under constant current until it develops enough force to move the panel. Perhaps you are correct “they” don’t make it because of greed, because “they” ultimately want to MAKE money and not LOOSE it on an ultimately unprofitable product that doesn’t work in the long run under all circumstances/conditions a panel out in the weather might experience. I welcome you to put YOUR money where your mouth is and bring one of these simple and better trackers to market…
How does current flow with no voltage difference?
@@ghz24 there is a voltage and current difference due to one panel getting more light than the other. If you measure the voltage coming out of panels, it varies with the light intensity. At noon theoretically the power is the same, so the panel would be flat.
@@5400bowen But once they are in equilibrium there is no voltage difference hence no current.
I guess your point is the actuator is not ever getting 12 volts but only a couple volts when it's moving?
BRILLIANT 👏
Plus if you had multiple large solar panels you'd likely need only one pair of smaller solar guiding panels. Lowers the cost.
Nice concept, I like it.
Thank you!
Great video!
Nice, but how does the actuator handle wind? Was thinking of one that would be manually adjusted on the wall, but I am afraid of the wind ripping such a construction.
Awesomw work!
Thanks!