Problem is, old vale had BOTH cc from skill2 and damage from skill1 and ult, so i don't understand how people claim that "now he has better cc". Now he has about the same cc, with no damage at all, regardless how you build it, it won't be the same. With skill1 and 2 he barely scratched that Alpha...Tanks will be just able to walk you down, taking all your skills and still coming at you, if your teammates are shite, and not ready to use the moment, while he is knocked up. Which is common for soloq. So many times i found myself in such situation, when we were just outgunned from the start of the game, as enemies don't have to respect your damage as it was before (cc is mostly unchanged, as his pull from ult is just a joke, enemies can just walk out of it without much issue, so your only reliable cc is still skill2). Before, they were getting enough of damage, which made them be more cautious, retreat and regroup and stuff, now he is much less of a value team player, as old Vale could do EVERYTHING new Vale has now, all while having considerably bigger damage output. 😐
@Screeching_bird not really lol, once you see the disadvantages with damage vale you would use cc ult plus damage tornado combo, if you trapped more than 1 person it was a guaranteed kill of the 2 and if not he would be heavily damage. Plus now vale doesn't counter glu
You prob could just pick Nana as a burst mage since she’s like the most picked in every rank bracket right now ever since her buff. Vale’s new 2nd skill and ultimate makes him good for zoning and control and while yes, his damage is lower than the damage upgrade iteration, It is still enough to kill squishy when he starts scaling with some items.
His rework is such a nerf,now you literally need to use all of his skills to one shot heroes,before his ult and his second was all you need,basically eudora 2.0 with more cc before all you needed was the ult and second combo
Nope, use support emblem and use the build similar to Lylia, spec on mov speed on tier 1 and tier 2 IF there are sustain heroes like Ruby, Uranus, Estes, and much more
Vale is no longer a one shot mage and that is by intention, you're supposed to play him as a support ultility mage now. Quit complaining and adapt to it
Layla really shines in chaotic team fights like this. She gets easily ignored. Probably why she will never be picked in high level or pro scenes. Pro players know better than to ignore her.
@@robinbooysen1068idk what kinda server you in but those Layla players dog shit I mean come on let’s face the facts Layla erases Wan late game she has more range than her Wan can’t get close to her late game
Sure, his unique versatility where everyone still using that same burst type damage, is so much "unique". Like, I have never seen many players even use the CC version of his skill, but just that same skill set, because everyone wants a kill, not to support someone. So, I kinda choose the latest revamp of Vale, because its more honestly better, when you get your skill up to lvl 4, than waiting for level 8 to have that damage ult. Its not about the uniqueness that shapes Vale, but only the damage because people like to one shot everything. But if I have the ability to control everyone in a distance, then lucky me, I can still spam his CC like there's no limit.
@@RTONL you get the control ult and the damage tornado, glowing and blazing wands, maybe even winter: you use your ult, then tornado and an enemy (the more the better) just melts away. That was one of the two ways to play Vale. There were two, not one.
as a vale main, one thing to note now is that his first skill is his main damage output now, as long as you can hit both wind blades it will do a decent chunk of damage
Betosky, use support emblem and spec to mov speed if there are sustain heroes, go for the Lylia build Edit: main gimmick of this is just rotate often and get assists, with the help of the mov speed specs from what I recommended
I rarely played him lately but you said he's not that bad so I must try him again with your talent and item builds. Thank you god Betoo. Have a day full of beautiful things and stay healthy❤
15 June 2024,I downloaded my ml back and plays a classic match,and then I saw Vale's ultimate being orange so I was like "This guy did not choose either red or blue" and then I noticed that Vale received a revamps
Another thing about the new vale is that the little tornado he leaves at the end of his skill 2 can be used to check bushes. It will reveal the enemies even if it doesn't it them.
@@jivraj2110oh well you could do that with the old vale, and it would also leave a tornado down too, now it just stays in one place which is kinda easy to avoid
I know you won't answer me, but my friend has been playing for four years, and I have been playing for about a year, and he challenged me to win against me when he uses Son against Arlott, and I say the opposite. Then he defeated me and kept provoking me and saying that Arlott is weak, so I ask you: Is Arlott good or bad against Son? If you see the comment, put a heart so I know it is bad or not, and put a dot or anything if it is the opposite, and thank you for reading all of this.
He took more time to power spike now but on the contrary, he can support his team earlier with s2 cc. Personally, I go for Clock of Destiny first since we're not going crazy in early game anyway and the Elegant Gem can provide a lot of sustainability to farm longer as well.
I think ET is more better than COD, since LT doesn't scales Mana anymore but Magic Power. If you want to have sustainability, 2nd talents like Festival of Blood, or Tenacity can help you.
At times he seems very dependent on his ult as it pulls the tornado into it along with the enemy so the glowing wand damage does a majority of the damage
Yeah I tried him today for the first time and while you do often need the 2, 1, 3 combo to 1 shot someone, his cc is stronger now and his skills have a short cooldown, longer range and casting speed, unless the enemy had a cc immunity ability or dashes or flickers away before the ult explodes then almost nobody can escape. Because of his passive as well its very easy to chase or run away from enemies, you can run into a teamfight pop your combo and then be out.
Fun fact about vale: put on the move speed talent and bonus move speed in jungle talent along with the support emblem and with vales passive and any boots, you'll have more move speed than sprint. You could go anywhere in the map with a few seconds and no one, even an ulted zilong is going to catch you. I've been asked by players if I'm hacking while i use this because of my move speed.
The only thing that I don’t like about vale is the fact that it’s so easy to get out of his ult 😢 especially heroes that have dashes that don’t rely on flicker too much
What the heck!! Buff available dots disappeared after they were taken out by the opponent team in beto's mini map? Why this isn't happening to me? I always need to check my buffs even though i already knew they were eaten by the enemy!
New Vale lacks so much damage. He barely can burst a mm. In the old times, he would burst a tank! Just his second+first skill in late game was capable of one-shoot most mm. But now...
agreed. as a Vale main (he was the first mage hero I bought), I do miss his old version but his current version is also bad*ss.. I just hope people won't start banning or picking him more often
Totally felt how the Alpha feel @ 4.49 of ur vids...hate those feeling entering the game thinking that it is guaranteed win suddenly realized there is an even better player in the field building up....
I think it's better for him to have 2 knock ups (first is the first contact, then 2nd is if the tornado becomes static). There's no point in having a static tornado if you successfully combo it with his ult (meaning if you do 2nd-ult combo)
he and vexana is actually cc lord that could be useful if the enemy team have low mobility and weak to crowd control. and your team should've picked wombo combo by picking tigreal, atlas, or guinevere for example. and ofcourse this won't work if the enemy team picked too much high mobility heroes or cc immunity such as martis, masha, hanabi, wanwan, ect.
I hated what they did with Vale. I had 70% wr with him and now I don’t even dare playing him in rank. He’s taking so long to deal real damage and burst. He was fine the way he was, moonton ruined him.
Fun fact, you can play vale as a support roam with his rework, just buy all cooldown items (CD boots, Tailsman, Fleeting time) then ice queen sword to apply slow on enemies for ur team, then necklace for anti heal, feel free to buy glowing wand for extra lingering damage. and also use support emblem and you can literally spam ur skills instantly 24/7 due to cooldown build and tailsman giving infinite mana. such a broken build.. infinite CC.
I think all burst mages got indirect nurf after COD and LT adjustment(neef). I used to play Eudora a lot. After getting COD and LT I would just stay in the bush and one shot any unfortunate souls that pass by. Now its really hard to one shot anyone in the early to mid game.
Eudora is still strong, use genius wand then glowing wand. If you aren't able to one shot the squishies, they may have that talent where they get defenses below 50% hp or they bought magic resist cloak
I find the new vale to not really go with me anymore. What i loved about Vale was his burst damage. I never trust the team i get in soloq so it was good to pick off mm and mage during teamfights but now? It isnt really viable. Any hero with dash can escape or eat me alive. Mm with gold rose meteor or Athena Shield are unkillable now
I miss the old Vale. His old mechanics where you get to choose between CC or burst skills is what made him unique in-game.
Yeah but the burst path outshined the CC one in almost any senario, except for the tornado, but thats just because the other one just sucked
But everyone will pick the same path, so what's the point
Problem is, old vale had BOTH cc from skill2 and damage from skill1 and ult, so i don't understand how people claim that "now he has better cc". Now he has about the same cc, with no damage at all, regardless how you build it, it won't be the same. With skill1 and 2 he barely scratched that Alpha...Tanks will be just able to walk you down, taking all your skills and still coming at you, if your teammates are shite, and not ready to use the moment, while he is knocked up. Which is common for soloq. So many times i found myself in such situation, when we were just outgunned from the start of the game, as enemies don't have to respect your damage as it was before (cc is mostly unchanged, as his pull from ult is just a joke, enemies can just walk out of it without much issue, so your only reliable cc is still skill2). Before, they were getting enough of damage, which made them be more cautious, retreat and regroup and stuff, now he is much less of a value team player, as old Vale could do EVERYTHING new Vale has now, all while having considerably bigger damage output. 😐
@@berliandroi dont
@Screeching_bird not really lol, once you see the disadvantages with damage vale you would use cc ult plus damage tornado combo, if you trapped more than 1 person it was a guaranteed kill of the 2 and if not he would be heavily damage.
Plus now vale doesn't counter glu
Vale, for me went from a burst mage to a supporting mage due to his CC ult.
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You prob could just pick Nana as a burst mage since she’s like the most picked in every rank bracket right now ever since her buff. Vale’s new 2nd skill and ultimate makes him good for zoning and control and while yes, his damage is lower than the damage upgrade iteration, It is still enough to kill squishy when he starts scaling with some items.
Try cd build with cd boot, light tr., book, power crys, blood w, 1def item or pene...
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His rework is such a nerf,now you literally need to use all of his skills to one shot heroes,before his ult and his second was all you need,basically eudora 2.0 with more cc before all you needed was the ult and second combo
Nope, use support emblem and use the build similar to Lylia, spec on mov speed on tier 1 and tier 2 IF there are sustain heroes like Ruby, Uranus, Estes, and much more
Yeah just skill is needed extra right now
So you’re saying he needs skill to use now?
Vale is no longer a one shot mage and that is by intention, you're supposed to play him as a support ultility mage now. Quit complaining and adapt to it
I stopped playing nana and vale after revamp, but ima try vale and hope I like it
Layla really shines in chaotic team fights like this. She gets easily ignored. Probably why she will never be picked in high level or pro scenes. Pro players know better than to ignore her.
The Layla carried the team in the end, she may have struggled earlier but her damage just melted Alpha haha
And then there is me, who bullies all the layla players with Wanwan
@@robinbooysen1068idk what kinda server you in but those Layla players dog shit I mean come on let’s face the facts Layla erases Wan late game she has more range than her Wan can’t get close to her late game
@@robinbooysen1068and you probably have only met the dumb laylas
@@robinbooysen1068 low rank :
1:06 Ah yes, my favorite mm, dyrroth.
😂😂
@Betosky 😂😂
If Betosky says so then yes he is a Marksman.
Xd
lets be real, mm always dies first
Bro, he had such nice and unique skill sets before rework.I have no idea why they did him like that
0:59 dyrroth is truly one of the marksmen of legends of mobile
😂
for me, it's not his damage that's the problem... it's his unique versatility where we can chose to prioritize cc or damage.
Sure, his unique versatility where everyone still using that same burst type damage, is so much "unique". Like, I have never seen many players even use the CC version of his skill, but just that same skill set, because everyone wants a kill, not to support someone. So, I kinda choose the latest revamp of Vale, because its more honestly better, when you get your skill up to lvl 4, than waiting for level 8 to have that damage ult.
Its not about the uniqueness that shapes Vale, but only the damage because people like to one shot everything.
But if I have the ability to control everyone in a distance, then lucky me, I can still spam his CC like there's no limit.
@@RTONL you get the control ult and the damage tornado, glowing and blazing wands, maybe even winter: you use your ult, then tornado and an enemy (the more the better) just melts away. That was one of the two ways to play Vale. There were two, not one.
He truly was a unique hero...rip
Old vale : i can make anyone shit in their pants
New vale : i shit my pants when i see an enemy
Edit : i didnt expect for this to get 229 likes
Yeahh I'm so disappointed he was my main hero 🤧
Old vale : i can scare all and one shot even the tanks most of the time
New vale : i cant scare shit and never one shots anyone
Really frustrated on the "barely one-shotting" them. Like how did you live through Vale's combo and escape with your life??
Whenever I see a Vale pick, I just counter him with Arlott.
I only lose to Vale if some Tigreal user stun-locked me to oblivion.
@yanzin2u its just for joke no offense here okay?
6:47 that epic killsteal by diggie tho
😂😂😂😂. Underrated comment
as a vale main, one thing to note now is that his first skill is his main damage output now, as long as you can hit both wind blades it will do a decent chunk of damage
6:46 that diggie ks tho.
Those digie bombs in the end tho 😝🤣🤣 He's such a menace!! Can you try Natan next please?
1:07 "To avenge our marksman"?
Lmaooo I ain’t never playing this man again, I’m so sad they do him like that
Me too. As an ex vale main
i love beto missed his skills again and again😂
feels like beto is 1:48 also human.😂
1:53
Betosky, use support emblem and spec to mov speed if there are sustain heroes, go for the Lylia build
Edit: main gimmick of this is just rotate often and get assists, with the help of the mov speed specs from what I recommended
Yes, his mov. Speed late game is insane and he's better off being an annoying skill spammer
I don't think your build will work for solo queue because the damage is bad. Relying on your teammates to be the damage dealer is very difficult
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1:05 i guess dyrroth is a marksman now😂
I rarely played him lately but you said he's not that bad so I must try him again with your talent and item builds. Thank you god Betoo. Have a day full of beautiful things and stay healthy❤
Hallo bro thanks for making this videos it's really make me have an advance on how to play it 😊❤ shout out from Malaysia 🇲🇾
1:07 dyrroth's honor turned to dust cuz he is being called a marksman
Avenge our valued marksman Dyroth 😂
Imagine tigreal and vale ult such a deadly combo💀, no escape for you
3:00 man that layla 🤣🤣
That KS was karma because of your last Nana match. 😂 3:00
15 June 2024,I downloaded my ml back and plays a classic match,and then I saw Vale's ultimate being orange so I was like "This guy did not choose either red or blue" and then I noticed that Vale received a revamps
It's been 2years watching ur videos beto .this is my first comment I like how you play n ur explanation ✨
Diggie really has master kill steal
Another thing about the new vale is that the little tornado he leaves at the end of his skill 2 can be used to check bushes. It will reveal the enemies even if it doesn't it them.
But the cooldown of skill 2 is too long.
@@user-yu3mh8rz3g it's still useful in the late game when nobody has towers left.
@@user-yu3mh8rz3g Also if you have 45% CDR, it can be as spammable, since it only has 5 to 6 seconds.
@@jivraj2110oh well you could do that with the old vale, and it would also leave a tornado down too, now it just stays in one place which is kinda easy to avoid
@@elpapuxDDReal no.
I didn't know Dyroth was a marksman😂
Burst vale is definitely fun to use but this utility mage vale is not that bad too. You can cc your enemies to death.
I know you won't answer me, but my friend has been playing for four years, and I have been playing for about a year, and he challenged me to win against me when he uses Son against Arlott, and I say the opposite. Then he defeated me and kept provoking me and saying that Arlott is weak, so I ask you: Is Arlott good or bad against Son? If you see the comment, put a heart so I know it is bad or not, and put a dot or anything if it is the opposite, and thank you for reading all of this.
He took more time to power spike now but on the contrary, he can support his team earlier with s2 cc.
Personally, I go for Clock of Destiny first since we're not going crazy in early game anyway and the Elegant Gem can provide a lot of sustainability to farm longer as well.
Or you can think the opposite to not go Clock so that you reach your power spike quicker.
Let's face it, COD is dead .....
I think ET is more better than COD, since LT doesn't scales Mana anymore but Magic Power.
If you want to have sustainability, 2nd talents like Festival of Blood, or Tenacity can help you.
Try putting ice queen wand on your build it is amazing
Tbh the old vale was more deadly. With old vale i got 70% winrate in 250+ matches
The king in the north!!!!
If you rub in between your toes and bring it to your nostrils you will unlock vale’s new meta power 😂
This is the second time i saw Betosky spamming the recall. Hahahahaha
Now that there's an AOT collab announced maybe just maybe Betosky will finally play Fanny with the Mikasa skin..
vale and cici's combo is really good u should try
I liked old vale better, now i cant even get kills at early game when using vale
At times he seems very dependent on his ult as it pulls the tornado into it along with the enemy so the glowing wand damage does a majority of the damage
6:48 how did diggie managed to get that kill damn
I miss that old Vale 😢😢
Yeah I tried him today for the first time and while you do often need the 2, 1, 3 combo to 1 shot someone, his cc is stronger now and his skills have a short cooldown, longer range and casting speed, unless the enemy had a cc immunity ability or dashes or flickers away before the ult explodes then almost nobody can escape. Because of his passive as well its very easy to chase or run away from enemies, you can run into a teamfight pop your combo and then be out.
I think vale is mainly a poke hero now, which is fine since he's supposed to be a utility mage. Just build CD reduction and you're good
Before he had such cool skills cuz we could actually upgrade skills and choose which one we would want and they were very cool
Fun fact about vale: put on the move speed talent and bonus move speed in jungle talent along with the support emblem and with vales passive and any boots, you'll have more move speed than sprint.
You could go anywhere in the map with a few seconds and no one, even an ulted zilong is going to catch you.
I've been asked by players if I'm hacking while i use this because of my move speed.
Vale was struggling a lot 😭😭😭
The only thing that I don’t like about vale is the fact that it’s so easy to get out of his ult 😢 especially heroes that have dashes that don’t rely on flicker too much
I still remember that u said you will give Lou yi a try😢
What the heck!! Buff available dots disappeared after they were taken out by the opponent team in beto's mini map? Why this isn't happening to me? I always need to check my buffs even though i already knew they were eaten by the enemy!
Next Valir please, his brother 😫🙏
its the 10 kill or 10 assist movement speed passive makes vale feels smooth to play .That what makes vale feel more powerful
Bro is turning me into a mid laner now
New Vale lacks so much damage. He barely can burst a mm. In the old times, he would burst a tank! Just his second+first skill in late game was capable of one-shoot most mm. But now...
I have a feeling Betosky is going to play Fanny when the AoT skins come out. Fingers crossed. 8
We have the same build but i go lightning truncheon first coz of the mana
try Zhask with the inspire spell, you can now use inspire after ult.
@06:45 I had no idea diggie could kill steal as an egg. 😮
That can happen, because his egg form has a bit of damage
@@Matsuna13 I mean yeah I get it… but I guess I just didn’t expect that it could actually happen.
Hey i wanna know you know the cool look that is a mod i think how i get it?
agreed. as a Vale main (he was the first mage hero I bought), I do miss his old version but his current version is also bad*ss.. I just hope people won't start banning or picking him more often
The rework of LT also impacted his damage output cuz it's impossible to reach 1000 in real matches
Late game Vale can still burst. I like that I can have that early CC
Tho I may be biased cos I love Vale and his fast feet
Yeah mate u should try dyrroth marksman he's good actually
We should collab😅
Totally felt how the Alpha feel @ 4.49 of ur vids...hate those feeling entering the game thinking that it is guaranteed win suddenly realized there is an even better player in the field building up....
Day 4 of asking Betosky to play Chou as a jungler
now u can use flicker at the same time of the 2nd skill btw instead of doing flicker then 2nd skill
The damage drop is just to make you more aware who to aim for
They made Vale just like any mage out there, a CC burst type hero
I only have one problem with the new vale
Its that his ult doesnt have built in magic penetration now
He can still combo squishies fr
I think it's better for him to have 2 knock ups (first is the first contact, then 2nd is if the tornado becomes static). There's no point in having a static tornado if you successfully combo it with his ult (meaning if you do 2nd-ult combo)
he and vexana is actually cc lord that could be useful if the enemy team have low mobility and weak to crowd control. and your team should've picked wombo combo by picking tigreal, atlas, or guinevere for example. and ofcourse this won't work if the enemy team picked too much high mobility heroes or cc immunity such as martis, masha, hanabi, wanwan, ect.
Time to issue a real challenge 🙂
Video # 155 where I ask Beto to be toxic and trash talk opponents and teammates (only if teammates are doing bad).
U need Arcane boots,Genius wand, Glowing wand,divine glaive, holy crystal,last item can be anti heal, immortality,winter truncheon, bloodwing
Genius wand can be skipped, and just focus on holy crystal and bloodwings for his skills scaling damage
I hated what they did with Vale. I had 70% wr with him and now I don’t even dare playing him in rank. He’s taking so long to deal real damage and burst. He was fine the way he was, moonton ruined him.
4:48 DIGGIE KILLED ARGUS? THIS IS STUPID
Had a vale and valir as opponent....won by split pushing as they were having fun harrassing us 😂 this 2 brothers are a menace !
If your team had a good gusion he would be absolutely owning the two brothers😅
Fun fact, you can play vale as a support roam with his rework, just buy all cooldown items (CD boots, Tailsman, Fleeting time) then ice queen sword to apply slow on enemies for ur team, then necklace for anti heal, feel free to buy glowing wand for extra lingering damage. and also use support emblem and you can literally spam ur skills instantly 24/7 due to cooldown build and tailsman giving infinite mana. such a broken build.. infinite CC.
Vale really got nerfed...but somehow i managed to make better vale with the proper build....but i really miss the old mechanics.
Betosky shout out sir I'm in Philippines I'm your fan ❤
I think all burst mages got indirect nurf after COD and LT adjustment(neef). I used to play Eudora a lot. After getting COD and LT I would just stay in the bush and one shot any unfortunate souls that pass by. Now its really hard to one shot anyone in the early to mid game.
Eudora is still strong, use genius wand then glowing wand. If you aren't able to one shot the squishies, they may have that talent where they get defenses below 50% hp or they bought magic resist cloak
Luck will always remain a factor of winning
Skill will reduce the luck needed
I miss a harley collector skin gameplay please
With all the music Beto is a flim director👍
When is the next collab with kookmon?👀
Vale used to delete mm with only first spell, not talking about ulty.
Now first spell only tickles and ulty can't one shot even Layla.
From where you got those background musics?
6:47 how did diggie get the kill🤣🤣🤣
6:47 how diggy got the kill???
Minuto 6:49 diggie lo remata estando muerto lol es la primera vez que veo pasar eso jaja
beto god at all hero❤❤❤
6:47 diggie got the kill lol
I find the new vale to not really go with me anymore. What i loved about Vale was his burst damage. I never trust the team i get in soloq so it was good to pick off mm and mage during teamfights but now? It isnt really viable. Any hero with dash can escape or eat me alive. Mm with gold rose meteor or Athena Shield are unkillable now
Day 1 of betosky can you play harith
Crazy layla