By accounts of all real life pilots, Tomcat was much faster especially once you went past 330 knots. F-14 would go Mach 1.3 on the deck alone at 50 feet
Pretty sure that F14 footage was a take off from another airport and then transited to the air show area. Most likely would not have been in full burner?
@@nag2129 Mach 2+ in a Tomcat was a regular affair especially when they did post maintenance check flights. They would get to Mach 2. As a matter of fact, there were lots of pilots in the 80s who got Mach 2.4 in the Tomcat especially in the Gulf of Sidra skirmishes
@@nag2129It was designed and tested to do Mach 2.4 for high speed intercepts. Mach 2+ was a regular affair in the Tomcat especially in the post maintenance check flights. As a matter of fact, lots of Tomcat pilots hit Mach 2.4+ in the 80s during the Gulf of Sidra line of death skirmishes.
@@2ZZGE100 They did not. NATOPS limited the Tomcat to Around Mach 1.8 in actual service. The fastest a Tomcat ever went was Mach 2.4 with one pre-production aircraft early in the program. There were some issues with the skins on the vertical tail delaminating above Mach 2.0, and the Navy decided that it wasn't really worth it to address those issues, and so they limited the max speed in the manual. If you listen to the interviews with the pilots on the Tomcast podcast, you won't find any that got to Mach 2.0, let alone above it.
@RocketToTheMoose That is correct Though, the delinamination issue did not happen until it was excessively done or you stayed at Mach 2.0+ for too long from what I have read. The Mach 1.8 NATOPS imposed limit came very late in life F-14: had limited parts supply due to Grumman was going bankrupt and it was in the 90s because r cold war was over and threat of high speed intercepts had almost been eliminated F-14 had become all about air to ground and Mach 1.8 was the top speed achievable with full air to air, drop tanks and air to ground munitions load. Still pilots like Paco Chierichi or the Vizcarra brothers are on record of saying he did Mach 2.0+ in the 90s during a post maintenance flight check. There are many pilots who did Mach 2.0+ during post maintenance flight checks in clean configuration. There were many Tomcat that were chasing MIGs in the 80s over the line of death hitting Mach 2.4. these are all verifiable facts I am starting
The footage on the right if of an F-14D, not an F-14A. Specifically, it's from the demo that was done in St. Louisville in 2004 during the last tour the F-14 Demo Team did. Here's a link to the video: ua-cam.com/video/2hopx8sG4d0/v-deo.html
If you watch the full video, you can see they are fully in the air by 150, but they continue to fly straight and level until 250, as i would guess was their demo routine.
As much as I love the channel, it's a meaningless comparison. Fuel load, loadout, power setting, procedures are all-important facters. Unless both jet are clean (different model may not able to have comparable loadout since there's essentially no plyon on the 14), full fuel (or a given percentage), full AB (or both mil), it's meaningless.
Rhino is faster down low than the legacies, even the big motor legacy. Once you got into the mid-high teens, the roles would begin to reverse. A clean Rhino accelerates like a mofo on the deck. Never flew the Tomcat though.
No Sir, I did the airshow St Louis in 2011 and could not get the Rhino past 0.95 at 1000'. The big motor D would do 1.1 on the deck easy. Rhino accelerated a bit better down low but that's it.
TOMCAT fans you are correct it is an F-14D. See, even fighter pilots make mistakes!
Awesome video Gonky! I's really cool to see the two side by side in the cockpit as they take off
By accounts of all real life pilots, Tomcat was much faster especially once you went past 330 knots. F-14 would go Mach 1.3 on the deck alone at 50 feet
I snooze on the A model. Wake me up when we're talking about the B model.
Pretty sure that F14 footage was a take off from another airport and then transited to the air show area. Most likely would not have been in full burner?
That was cool. But put the ‘86 IROC in there & it whips both 🫡🇺🇸
That is cool. Now lets see between Mach 2.0 and 2.3. Oh wait...
Anyone attempting mach 2 in a tomcat is risking total catastrophic failure. Reality.
@@nag2129 Mach 2+ in a Tomcat was a regular affair especially when they did post maintenance check flights. They would get to Mach 2. As a matter of fact, there were lots of pilots in the 80s who got Mach 2.4 in the Tomcat especially in the Gulf of Sidra skirmishes
@@nag2129It was designed and tested to do Mach 2.4 for high speed intercepts. Mach 2+ was a regular affair in the Tomcat especially in the post maintenance check flights. As a matter of fact, lots of Tomcat pilots hit Mach 2.4+ in the 80s during the Gulf of Sidra line of death skirmishes.
@@2ZZGE100 They did not. NATOPS limited the Tomcat to Around Mach 1.8 in actual service. The fastest a Tomcat ever went was Mach 2.4 with one pre-production aircraft early in the program. There were some issues with the skins on the vertical tail delaminating above Mach 2.0, and the Navy decided that it wasn't really worth it to address those issues, and so they limited the max speed in the manual. If you listen to the interviews with the pilots on the Tomcast podcast, you won't find any that got to Mach 2.0, let alone above it.
@RocketToTheMoose That is correct Though, the delinamination issue did not happen until it was excessively done or you stayed at Mach 2.0+ for too long from what I have read. The Mach 1.8 NATOPS imposed limit came very late in life F-14: had limited parts supply due to Grumman was going bankrupt and it was in the 90s because r cold war was over and threat of high speed intercepts had almost been eliminated F-14 had become all about air to ground and Mach 1.8 was the top speed achievable with full air to air, drop tanks and air to ground munitions load. Still pilots like Paco Chierichi or the Vizcarra brothers are on record of saying he did Mach 2.0+ in the 90s during a post maintenance flight check. There are many pilots who did Mach 2.0+ during post maintenance flight checks in clean configuration. There were many Tomcat that were chasing MIGs in the 80s over the line of death hitting Mach 2.4. these are all verifiable facts I am starting
The footage on the right if of an F-14D, not an F-14A. Specifically, it's from the demo that was done in St. Louisville in 2004 during the last tour the F-14 Demo Team did. Here's a link to the video: ua-cam.com/video/2hopx8sG4d0/v-deo.html
I stand corrected. They did rotate at 130ish. It was just so subtle and they stayed so low it seemed like they didn't take off until 250 lol
F14 is a fat pig compared to the nimble F/A-18.
If you watch the full video, you can see they are fully in the air by 150, but they continue to fly straight and level until 250, as i would guess was their demo routine.
Yes that's essentially what I said.
Awesome video Gonky. Don't tell Mover I said this, but I have always been a fan of Naval aviation. Rob 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
now do this in DCS!
how much faster was the F-14D?
That's a D model in the footage.
F-14A with the Sparrowhawk HUD upgrade?
lol was about to ask the same
That was a tape from the D Model
ua-cam.com/video/2hopx8sG4d0/v-deo.html
F-14 D had 58,000 lbs total thrust. 40,000 was for the A.
That Tomcat is probably taking off in mil power.
It was in mil power. Someone linked the full video. Once the D was airborne, he pushed the throttle all the way forward.
As much as I love the channel, it's a meaningless comparison. Fuel load, loadout, power setting, procedures are all-important facters. Unless both jet are clean (different model may not able to have comparable loadout since there's essentially no plyon on the 14), full fuel (or a given percentage), full AB (or both mil), it's meaningless.
F-14D cockpit video
Tomcats!!
Rhino is faster down low than the legacies, even the big motor legacy. Once you got into the mid-high teens, the roles would begin to reverse.
A clean Rhino accelerates like a mofo on the deck. Never flew the Tomcat though.
No Sir, I did the airshow St Louis in 2011 and could not get the Rhino past 0.95 at 1000'. The big motor D would do 1.1 on the deck easy.
Rhino accelerated a bit better down low but that's it.
Are you sure that's an A footage? I thought Sparrowhawk HUDs were put only on B's?
nop, that HUD was only in the D Model
ua-cam.com/video/2hopx8sG4d0/v-deo.html
@@19sebi88 oh man, that's not even a B, that's a D!
always knew big motor legacy hornet is a beast, thanks gonky.
Bug drivers.....lol