In Vasari's "Lives of the artists", he said the Michelangelo borrowed a Durer from a museum (or wherever), hand drew an exact copy, and returned the forgery. I wonder today, which one would be more valuable?
when Modigliani was painting in Paris, he couldn't sell them or give them away. When his funeral cortas was winding it's way through the Latin Quarter, dealers were trailing behind quarrelling over "Who gets which painting". Dealers are 2-3 steps beneath pimps, get it ?
If you're an artist the Dealer makes you rich & famous. Jopling made Hirst & and Gagosian sets Koons prices! No Dealer - no Artist. Read all about it in: There is No F in ART on www.SvenDaliPress.com
My dad was one of if not the premier Tribal and Oceanic art dealer in the world til his death. There were a lot of forgeries in that world too. He could spot them very easily. He said it was easy after 45 years of working in the field. The patina, the smell the feel. He’d get brought in as an expert witness in a lot of fraud cases and would be brought in to vet collections in museums. He said when he would be brought in to do appraisals he hated having to tell buyers they got ripped off.
It is this overconfidence of the 'art experts' that forgeries persist. Salvador Mundi, arguably the biggest forgery till date, was also sold by similar taglines, that you could 'feel' the presence of the painting. These are complete bs statements that experts hide behind coz there's no real test/certification one has to clear to be called an 'expert' in the art field. All they have to do is make enough contacts, bring in enough money to the dealerships and over decades, voila, yesterday's dealer is today's art expert.
It's used to embezzle and do fraud. They use them to get loans on from banks. This is why there is so much crap. They get crooked appraisers to appraise them to millions then get bank loans or sell them to dumb rich people. It doesn't matter how absurd it is if a corrupt banker will write a loan on a canvas of crap for 10M because some appraiser said it was worth that much. As long as the banker gets his cut he's fine with it. It's the banks books problems and then ultimately the dumb retail that have to get loans at higher fee's and interest to cover the fraud.
This is very interesting. Basically, if the people like the painting, they don't care who painted it. The only issue is the market value if they want to resell it.
Paul y if I had over a billion in the bank, i think I would still be happy to buy a fake Picasso for example for a few hundred as opposed to over 10 million. If it looks exactly the same it is just the idea of it being better because it is by the original artist.
Yes I have copied art works in the past and it's like going down a road where you see a better way of getting to where you want to go I have said to myself if I do this the painting will look better.I am a very poor artist yet it has happened and of course it never looks as good but I have thought the real artist would have been better off doing it this way. In some ways it's a way of getting into the artist head.
His "Chagall" is obv off. Then again, as he states, many sales were to people who weren't pros, nor did they consult one. Consult someone you trust in the art buisness!! Usually, ask an artist, as they have the eye to tell the fake, as I did.
The problem is vanity. People should buy pretty stuff for the walls, sturdy purses, well made cars. Not forgeries, knockoffs and crap that have a famous name. This guy with all the aliases is so greasy.
Collectors don't care if a painting is fake if they got it for a good deal because they just want to be able to brag and pretend that it is real to their friends.
There are people who can't tell the difference -- but also people who can. There are people who can tell if it's really Jimi Hendrix playing a solo in a recording and not just some lesser player imitating him. Same with the great classical virtuosos. It's silly to say that the value of visual art is a sham just because many people are buying it for an investment but aren't able to discern for themselves if it's the real thing. They may have to rely on someone else to tell them what to buy, so there is room for deception. Still, as with music, there are always people out there who can tell the difference. As with music, it helps to have a heads up as to what is great, then try to figure out why till you can truly feel and discern it for yourself.
If you are speculating in the 'art market', you are taking a risk, same as any other investment. The first rule is thousands of years old, it is Caveat Emptor, buyer beware. You got the satisfaction of paying X for something you enjoyed. Stop whining and go home and enjoy it.
This guy is a horrible forgerer, most of them are which says more about the owners of galleries and museum staff/curators. They have no idea what they are talking about and have no knowledge on the craft of painting which means they are easily duped before technology.
The auction houses guarantee that what you buy is genuine or you would not pay millions. If you bought as an investment I assume if 10 years later it was proved to be a forgery - you would get the current value based on a genuine work by the artist. So nil risk for the collector as long as he buys at a premium from a reputable dealer. If the forgers give away their fakes on their death beds that would be great. The dealers are makinga fortune out of these people. The forgers could probably get paid to keep quiet and those that are terminally ill can make even more out of these vultures.
There are a few options.... one is get an old period painting that already has paint cracks and lightly sand the surface, then paint over. The other is to apply something...it might be some kind of resin, then bake the painting. This is for visual purposes only and will not deceive anybody else.
very poor forgeries I spotted all the fakes and his finished chagall was far too cartoon like. signature wasn't correct either, paint was applied far too strong.
In Vasari's "Lives of the artists", he said the Michelangelo borrowed a Durer from a museum (or wherever), hand drew an exact copy, and returned the forgery. I wonder today, which one would be more valuable?
when Modigliani was painting in Paris, he couldn't sell them or give them away. When his
funeral cortas was winding it's way through the Latin Quarter, dealers were trailing behind
quarrelling over "Who gets which painting". Dealers are 2-3 steps beneath pimps, get it ?
Thats not true. Modiglianis paintings were selling well to Americans in the last few years of his life.
If you're an artist the Dealer makes you rich & famous. Jopling made Hirst & and Gagosian sets Koons prices! No Dealer - no Artist.
Read all about it in: There is No F in ART on www.SvenDaliPress.com
My dad was one of if not the premier Tribal and Oceanic art dealer in the world til his death. There were a lot of forgeries in that world too. He could spot them very easily. He said it was easy after 45 years of working in the field. The patina, the smell the feel. He’d get brought in as an expert witness in a lot of fraud cases and would be brought in to vet collections in museums. He said when he would be brought in to do appraisals he hated having to tell buyers they got ripped off.
It is this overconfidence of the 'art experts' that forgeries persist. Salvador Mundi, arguably the biggest forgery till date, was also sold by similar taglines, that you could 'feel' the presence of the painting. These are complete bs statements that experts hide behind coz there's no real test/certification one has to clear to be called an 'expert' in the art field. All they have to do is make enough contacts, bring in enough money to the dealerships and over decades, voila, yesterday's dealer is today's art expert.
Wow, he is a true post-modernist artist.
That's a great way of putting it.
The whole art market is a cesspool of greed and corruption.
It's used to embezzle and do fraud. They use them to get loans on from banks. This is why there is so much crap. They get crooked appraisers to appraise them to millions then get bank loans or sell them to dumb rich people. It doesn't matter how absurd it is if a corrupt banker will write a loan on a canvas of crap for 10M because some appraiser said it was worth that much. As long as the banker gets his cut he's fine with it. It's the banks books problems and then ultimately the dumb retail that have to get loans at higher fee's and interest to cover the fraud.
This is very interesting. Basically, if the people like the painting, they don't care who painted it. The only issue is the market value if they want to resell it.
That tells the difference between art lovers and trades;The former buys the painting the second buys a signature.
+Paul y It doesn't matter. They have a right to get what they payed for and not be ripped off by a piece of scum.
Paul y if I had over a billion in the bank, i think I would still be happy to buy a fake Picasso for example for a few hundred as opposed to over 10 million. If it looks exactly the same it is just the idea of it being better because it is by the original artist.
Good ole Morley Safer!
If you like this clip you might like to read the book Two Picassos before breakfast.
It takes a great artist to make a reproduction of a great artist's work. The reproductions are sometimes better than the originals.
Yes I have copied art works in the past and it's like going down a road where you see a better way of getting to where you want to go I have said to myself if I do this the painting will look better.I am a very poor artist yet it has happened and of course it never looks as good but I have thought the real artist would have been better off doing it this way. In some ways it's a way of getting into the artist head.
That Chagall he's painting is ridiculous.
The irony. now hes a famous painter.
That happens to most of the bigtime forgers. They all end up getting famous for it and now their own art creations are finally worth something.
Lol got every call correct on the "fake or not.." I'm merely an "amateur..." so the pros must be full of it!!
His "Chagall" is obv off. Then again, as he states, many sales were to people who weren't pros, nor did they consult one. Consult someone you trust in the art buisness!! Usually, ask an artist, as they have the eye to tell the fake, as I did.
As a full time artist, I hate the art world.
The problem is vanity. People should buy pretty stuff for the walls, sturdy purses, well made cars. Not forgeries, knockoffs and crap that have a famous name. This guy with all the aliases is so greasy.
Lol, they don't hurt my pocketbook because I can't afford nor will I ever be able to afford any of them!
Collectors don't care if a painting is fake if they got it for a good deal because they just want to be able to brag and pretend that it is real to their friends.
Greed like a Weed.
How do you plead?
Sincerely,
Icarus
There are people who can't tell the difference -- but also people who can. There are people who can tell if it's really Jimi Hendrix playing a solo in a recording and not just some lesser player imitating him. Same with the great classical virtuosos. It's silly to say that the value of visual art is a sham just because many people are buying it for an investment but aren't able to discern for themselves if it's the real thing. They may have to rely on someone else to tell them what to buy, so there is room for deception. Still, as with music, there are always people out there who can tell the difference. As with music, it helps to have a heads up as to what is great, then try to figure out why till you can truly feel and discern it for yourself.
If you are speculating in the 'art market', you are taking a risk, same as any other investment. The first rule is thousands of years old, it is Caveat Emptor, buyer beware. You got the satisfaction of paying X for something you enjoyed. Stop whining and go home and enjoy it.
This guy is a horrible forgerer, most of them are which says more about the owners of galleries and museum staff/curators. They have no idea what they are talking about and have no knowledge on the craft of painting which means they are easily duped before technology.
The auction houses guarantee that what you buy is genuine or you would not pay millions. If you bought as an investment I assume if 10 years later it was proved to be a forgery - you would get the current value based on a genuine work by the artist. So nil risk for the collector as long as he buys at a premium from a reputable dealer. If the forgers give away their fakes on their death beds that would be great. The dealers are makinga fortune out of these people. The forgers could probably get paid to keep quiet and those that are terminally ill can make even more out of these vultures.
The fakes are not crappy enough.
I wish I knew how the forgers make the crackles
There are a few options.... one is get an old period painting that already has paint cracks and lightly sand the surface, then paint over. The other is to apply something...it might be some kind of resin, then bake the painting. This is for visual purposes only and will not deceive anybody else.
Heat and/or chemicals, it is actually quite easy. But it won't fool someone who is fairly knowledgeable in the subject.
Stein died age 64 ,,,,
… after living a good life created by his wits. Good for him.
very poor forgeries I spotted all the fakes and his finished chagall was far too cartoon like. signature wasn't correct either, paint was applied far too strong.
Totally agree.
I guessed the fakes, they looked obvious to me
If you are a clean freak you could devalue or even make your art worthless by wiping away all that dust over time... LOL!
Where are the women forgers eh ?
Forgery is very good it shows how stupid greedy people are
How much money did you make....tax man is listening, another person wanting a share.