DH vs ENDURO // Do You Need a DH Bike? // YT TUES vs YT CAPRA
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For your average joe, a dh bike is just a luxury. But, oh what a luxury it is!
Just Bought the Devinci Wilson Carbon GX10S for $4000 Canadian! It's on sale! check it out! NOWS YOUR TIME TO GET THAT DH BIKE!!
Do you need a Downhill bike? No.
Do you wanna have fun in bikeparks with a lot of travel and sending massiv jumps and huck the hardest trails pretty fast? Yes.
2 bikes are better than 1
N + 1
Colin lol
four is the bare minimum
@@jeremysoltow393 N+10 lol😂😂😂
You Can only ride one at the time.. You just need to choose the right one 😉
Do you need a DH bike? Nah.
But you know you want one so just do it 😎
true
I live in whistler so i got one 😎
living in whistler without a dh bike seems to me like living on the ocean without a boat
@@VanCan true es
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I reckon the bikes will be based on what gradient your trails are, and how technical/hard they are.
If you have lots of uphill and flat trails with fun jumps and tech then get an enduro bike
If you have lots downhill trails with big jumps and lots of tech then get a dh bike.
Simple!
Bruh is a downhill bike hard for hills
Jorge Carrasco yeah due to the smaller cogs and less gears
nah, i would say if you have a lift get a dh (as there are only lifts in a high-elevation space& & you dont need to climb), and an enduro anywhere else
@@jorgecarrasco29 it literally says "downhill" in the name
you should remove the loud music so we can hear the trail :)
i liked the music, Alex.
The best bike is the one you have... the search for the ephemeral quiver killer carries on. Appreciated the science on this one!
Uhh I think you meant "elusive".
Ah, so the enduro is better. What, oh the DH is better. What's that? Oh, the enduro is the better choice? Wait a sec, ah no the DH is actually the better option. What was that again? Oh...…..
Well I ride hardtails. Because I can't afford a full sus.
get second hand dh bike
EXY - ImExative! Even that's too expensive for me, at the moment I'm just waiting to get a job and then I'm gonna hopefully get a better bike
Stanley88845 I hope you get a nice job but don’t get it wrong there are very expensive hardtails
ihasagi2urheart Oh yeh I know
Hard tail is the way forward. Takes more skill but I ride fairly downhill centered trails and works fine for me.
Do want to upgrade to a fat bike tho to take some more serios trails and still have stupid fun
Good video and I agree with your conclusion (and understand why you used that trail) but I would say something like Mystery DH/Meat Sweats/Jersey Shore on Cypress, 19th Hole in Squamish, PhD in Pemberton or a Garbo tech lap in Whistler would be a better comparison :) mostly cuz I want the DH bike to win haha.
Love the analysis mate! Unlike you though I ride my Capra 100% of the time in bike park (even in street riding once in a while!) ..though our bike park are a bit different on the East Cost than West Cost. That being said, even if I ride my Capra 80% and I fucking love it, I still need a DH bike....why? Freakin Mont-Ste-Anne! 170mm of travel is not even close of being enough to ride the double black on that mountain aha
Ha ya I’ve seen some gnar on Mont Ste. Anne. It’s nice to have the DH bike for that.
yo where you from in Quebec [I'm from and still live in Gatineau] we have some awesome trails in my area of the Gatineau hills/park and camp fortune.
@@krishanattri9305Dude I heard so much good stuff about Camp Fortune, never had the chance to go but I need to give it a try. I live Quebec City but I move around a lot to film and ride. Give my channel a shot if you wanna, I'll come to Gatineau at some point and I'll need a local to guide me around ;)
I have a zeb 190mm
Nice comparison, so far I’ve only ridden a dh bike and it has slowed me down only in the uphill sections but if you don’t mind walking or riding slower uphill it doesn’t really matter what bike you buy/have✅😉
Ha true
There's just something about dual crowns and solid bolted handlebars of the DH bike that gives me more confidence and less hassle.
It also helps that the local trail is mostly steep descent, so I don't really care much for the uphill capabilities.
All around great edit! I came to watch the footage of the Capra because I just bought one. I stayed because I was highly entertained!
Thanks!
I love how the Capra has Code brakes (DH brakes) and the Tues has Guides (Trail/Enduro brakes).
Just the way they came. I’m not picky about brakes as long as they work.
I was thinking that too 😂😂
@@VanCan obviously there's not too much of a difference, or is it?
I had a DH bike for 3 years. Never rode it because I didn’t have time to goto the bike park and the trails near me require up mountain travel. Got a bike that I can ride uphill but still a lot of travel for a single crown fork.
Why? Because N+1 👍🏼👍🏼
I have the trek rumblefish pro 29’er fully(downhill) and I ride it almost everyday I love the bike and it is perfect for my style of riding
LucWideyes what’s it weigh? Could it be fun for daily riding around town up hills and stuff, and having fun hopping around curbs all day with low enough gears too?
I had a DH bike. Sold it for a 160/170 27.5 meta, then sold that for a 19 stumpy evo 29 with 140/160 and I will take the stumpy 100% of the time. It's the fastest bike I have ever owned and it does everything well. And my local riding spot is highland mountain bike park. So take that for what it's worth
I currently ride on a 29er hardtail and want an Enduro bike! I’m excited to jump from a 100mm front suspension to 150+ dual suspension. Just gotta save a bit more...
Great vid! but I think you forgot one factor. Geometry, the geo on my dh bike just feels right to me. It feels open and free but also playful and its def feels ready to send literally anything.
Cheers!
I'm riding a 2017 Alutech Sennes FR, which is a pretty light DH Frame from a pretty small german brand. Converted it from 204mm to 187mm rear travel, put a dropper and SC fork in it and i'm good to go.
Theres more to a DH bike than only the travel, the geometry fits me perfect, even if it's a little harder to pedal up, I won't miss the feeling getting down.
True, the DH bike does feel good on the downs.
Awesome comparison. Dont have anything here that would need a DH bike in florida but i am looking at getting an enduo bike. Doing my first endruo on the 14th.
Great edit.
Awesome. Enduro bikes are great!
@@VanCan Yea as long as i can still climb with it here in florida cause to go down you got to go up.
I like to have a DH and a trail bike because I think the bike park hammers my trail bike way more, so my DH is my hammer bike to preserve my trail bike for trails. Plus the DH is just fun to ride
Really nice video. I bought a 2016 Capra on sale in Jan 2017. I wanted a do it all bike for all year around. I ride mostly black diamond local trails on the Capra its not too bad pedalling, and in the summer I hit the bike parks. I have demoed a ton of bikes since I bought the Capra but nothing has made me feel like i am missing something out.
Only ever owned hard tails. Gone to mountain and rented DH bikes to hit the mountain with and really enjoyed it but I think for purchasing an enduro makes more sense as I have access to a lot of local trails and mini parks
It's funny I'm currently in this debate, except I really need a fast XC bike for local, a mid travel for the semi local, and a DH for the actual park! if I didn't have kids, I would definitely just have all 3! lol.
I got the exact same situation. I bought the Canyon Torque as my enduro do it all! It is awesome on every trails and really not bad on XC
You are the Bob Ross of UA-cam MTBers.
Keep that shit up.
Absolutely right the best bike is the one you are riding. I have an old 2007 Kona Stinky I put a dropper post on it now it climbs :) don't need another bike.
I used to love the Kona Stinky
I prefere how looks dh but I really think that trail is more adapted for what I'm looking for. Style or perf, idk
That what I though and I made the mistake on buying something that looks really cool for something that might of been more fun for the area I live in .
YT capra pro race with twin crown forks and a coil rear shock best off both worlds. My world.
evo You won‘t ride that thing uphill😅
I just started racing. Brought a YT Tues. it.is.insane.you.can.huck.everything...
I have a dh and enduro bike as well. Have to admit, I come to the same conclusion. In bike parks, although sluggish I prefer my dh bike.
Great video. I'd love to see another one comparing the two when riding a lift served bike park. I've been riding an enduro bike for a few years at the bike park, but picked up a V10 to ride lift served this year. Hopefully it's worth the upgrade.
I think DH bikes for the park are worth it. After riding my Tues in the park I don’t want to go back to an enduro.
Great vid! Congrats on 10K! Are you going to have a special video for the 10K?
Thanks,I don't have anything special planned.
That's interesting... I have the same 2 bikes! '17 Tues and '19 Capra 29! I have them both because you simply cannot pedal uphill with the Tues. They're both loads of fun and both excel in certain areas. If you could only have one, the Capra is much more versatile, but nothing takes the rough, double black trails at Silver Mtn. Bike Park better than a DH bike.
Nice video!
Ya if I could only have one, I'd have the Capra. But like you said the Tues is so fun in the bike park.
nothing destroys your wallet like a DH bike.
@@nawab256 I dunno.. I have more $$$ into my enduro.
@@eazilyamuzed1
Yes but that bike can do a lot more, and you probably upgraded it throughout time. A downhill bike starts out really expensive and upgrading and replacing parts on it costs even more.
@@nawab256 I purchased both new and paid about $400 less for the Tues (they are both base AL models). Last November the '19 Tues with the Fox 40 suspension was available for only $200 more then the base Capra. It just depends on when you purchase and what kit you choose.
As far as maintenance, what is it that you think costs more on a DH bike? The suspension might be a little more, but most everything else is the same or cheaper. My tires are a couple of dollars more due to the casing I get, but the difference is insignificant, really. 2 things more expensive to replace on the enduro would be the drivetrain and dropper post (the DH doesn't have the latter). So, again... it depends.
If price is what is keeping you from considering a DH bike, you should disregard that. You CAN get them for reasonable prices and they are a helluva a lot of fun!
As a kid, my friends and I struggled with DH bikes for years. I don't know how we did it. We rode miles and miles and miles of trails, pushing our bikes up hills for hours on end.. Enduro bikes really are a god send..
Yea but the strength tho red bull extreme stunt tracks over death hills lol 😂 no thanks that is something I won’t even try lol 😂 I rather have a enjuro to ride up and down hills but a pure down hill bike could be made lighter with single speed gears because dropping down a fucking cliff is insane And doing massive jumps is why the triple clamp is needed for those big heavy drops
If I were you I’d swap the brakes from one bike to the other. I had the guide rs’ on my old Capra and now the code rscs are soo much better! Swap the dh brakes to the dh bike and you won’t regret it. IMO
I’m actually not picky when it comes to brakes. If they work, they work.
I live near Hürtgenwald. It's a VERY big Downhillpark and i bought myself one. Used but still it drives like a normal one!
my.solution: 2bikes->29 Jeffsy CF Pro & 29 Tues CF Pro. Compared to the capra here, the Jeffsy is faster, at least uphillwise.
You’re FORGETTING something. It sounds like you’re a perfect canadate for a Super-Enduro. Just slap 👋 a crown fork on that capera and ur all set.
I have one of those only thing I’ve noticed is there a little front heavy
love the vid man keep up the good work
For what I ride and how many times I make it to the big mountain in a year , a DH bike just ain’t worth the expense. An enduro or trail bike with a DJ bike is what I need .
Nice vid. I only see that you have two bikes so that simply says to me, "Yes. Yes you do need a DH bike". That's what I'm going to tell my wife.
Since I've began going to Windrock and will be hitting other parks as well, AND since I rented a DH bike to see what the fuss is about, I can see a DH bike in my future. Gnarly parks are just more fun on a big bike, even if the trail bike can do it.
Love the video 🤘 for me an Enduro bike is a one does all.
Nice video, If you did another one like this you could consider laying the two clips of each section of trail over the top of each other so that we can see which bike was faster... just an idea 🤘
Such an awesome video! Im a huge fan of you!
Thanks!
I have the YT Jeffsy 27,5 cf, It works Good for everything, XC, Trail, Enduro and downhill
FR33SIE you’re not doing hard enough dh if that works 🤟
@@blink182. well Im thinking of buying a dh bike. But I can Still do all the dh lines where I live. Åre/Sweden is one of Europe's most famous downhill(park?) Still, Im not the fastes one in the world, but i enjoy it
FR33SIE best sport in the world. im getting a santa cruz v10 cc im so excited.
@@blink182. Oh yeah, Santa Cruz make really good bikes! Where's your first stop with it? :)
FR33SIE small downhill park in switzerland. taking it to whistler next year :)) so stoked.
Great video, also pretty simple for me. If you only can have one bike always choose an Enduro. If you ride a lot of park and can afford another one then a DH makes absolutely sense too. Do you need a DH? No, good riders shredding bikeparks on their hardtails better than anyone but DH makes just more fun. Driving myself an Enduro and will also get a DH for the new season. My bike (160 / 150mm) is just not meant to take those huge drops and gaps in the park.
Great review. I'm leaning towards the YT Capra Pro but I've been reading that they are not poppy and are harder to jump and not as fun as other enduro bikes. It doesn't look like you have trouble popping and hucking it on the trail. Thoughts? I would appreciate it. I'm really feeling the Capra over the Nomad and the Firebird right now.
The Capra feels pretty easy to jump and hop around to me.
@@VanCan Thanks. Good to know!!!
DH for the fun factor not caring about flat line or climbs speed.
Enduro for faster climbs and faster flat-lines and long distance rides.
The difference is minimal, and both can be fun... So have both if you ride more than two times a month.
Quality filming! And throwing in a little Too Gear "and on that bombshell"....nice :) How's your training for BC Bike Race going?
Thanks. I’m not actually doing the BC bike race, I’d probably die. I am doing the EWS I whistler though and the cardio is slowly coming along.
@@VanCan Hehe. There are so many other YTers doing it I figured you'd be right there with em. Based on your skills with a bike you're gonna do wicked on EWS
Awesome comparison these are the two bikes I I’m trying to choose between
The bikes are cool...but that adorable little Westie is great!
Ha ya he is fun
Specialized BigHit 3 for Me today 3 years :))) Lithuania love
That GoPro footage looks crystal clear. How do you achieve it? Also, nice comparison. 🤙🏼
Pro tune and colour correcting in post.
@@VanCan As soon as I upload any footage to UA-cam, the quality gets messy 🤷🏻♂️
@@mtbmwe6684 I don't know much about those things but try scaling it up to 2k or something, upload it and look if the quality is better
I think it's obvious from EWS that very very few people NEED a dh bike. Gone are the days where if you tried taking a mid-travel bike down a DH trail the bike would explode - Enduro bikes these days are ridden just as hard and fast as full dh bikes were capable of not that long ago. So unless you're riding Rampage or racing Val di Sole, no, you don'y really NEED a dh bike.
I have a dh bike with air shock, trail tyres and xo1 eagle. 15 kg
It is faster on every trail i ride compared to any of my other bikes.
Sounds like you need some new bikes hahaha
Honestly one of the best bike videos I have seen in a while on YT. Keep up the good work.
Thanks!
I feel like on blue and average black rated trails where I don't have to try to hold a tight line my enduro bike is faster, but get into the rough black and double black trails and my DH bike is not only faster but also easier to ride all day long.
I ride my enduro bike GT Sanction 2011 on the dh trails and I feel confidence.
Also I ride that bike in my town including uphills.
I think that DH bike give you more abilities on the black and double black trails with high drops, big gaps, gnarly roots and rock gardens.
I choose enduro bike because like to ride downhill and uphill using dropper post, it's between xc and dh! =)
P.S. I wear my fullface helmet when I ride my enduro bike on the dh trails and health for me on the first place than fashion, only riding blue trails, long distantion travel, I need enduro open face helmet... ;)
That kind of riding is why I generally use 180mm bikes. Supreme SX/Pole Machine. Your covered for anything.
I like how the tues uses guides and the Capra codes :DD
Sounds crazy, but what about putting a 46 or even 50t cassette on the dh bike and 30 or 32t chainring to help it out on the uphills? It's still going to be heavier than the enduro but at least it will pedal right?
I have seen some crazy DH rigs with droppers before .
Big cassette likely not compatible with most DH spacing/frames, and you would have to run a longer cage mech which is liable to get ripped off in rough terrain. Small chainring would also mess up the rear suspension (DH is designed around 36-38t).
My dad has the tues I have the Capra.
Tues- amazing for downhill
Capra- great at everything
Nice vid and solide editing , keep up the good work 👌👌
Thanks!
I got an DH bike and a second hand hardtail bike (100€) and the DH is very nice to ride in the woods but the 100€ hardtail makes so much more fun to ride because it's not heavy like the DH and runs so much faster :-)
I have the jeffy 2018 Pro Race 29 and I feel more confident compared my NS Enduro 27.5
Do you recommend yt jeffsy 25.7 al?
Great vid! This is the dilemma I am in right now! My trail bike is a Cotic Rocket Max 140/140 travel. Each year we go on holiday to Morzine, which is a bike park. In the past I rode a Nukeproof Pulse dh 200mm of travel. The bike was heavy and I couldn't quite get used to it, so I sold it. Now I'm at the point of do I buy a second hand dh or stick with enduro!? I don't do drops anywhere near the stuff you do, maybe 6'-10' tops.
So my thinking was to get the new Cotic Rocket with longshot geometry and a 170mm lyrik fork. Then I have a bike I'm used to and could probably hit most features, in my range.
Oh and this year, we're going to Whistler for the first time! Cant wait.
What do you guys think for me? DH or 170 Rocket?
Imo Dh bike is a waste unless you live next to a bike park.
intrudR Thanks man. 👍
I don't like to go up, so easy decision for me haha in love with my Ns Fuzz
Ha fair enough !
Nice video man! I got a Tues AL 2017 too with RockShox Boxxer Team up front and the Vivid R2C Coil out back. I am curious to know how you set up your compression and rebound, especially on the rear shock.
Cheers Steffen
I’m not very scientific about it. I adjust it as I ride until it feels right.
@@VanCan alright. My I ask if your suspension setup is the same or similar too mine? I got the blue/hard spring in the fork and a 275lbs spring on the shock. My riding weight should be close to 86kg...
Ya I’m using the firm spring in the fork and I think I a 250lbs spring in the rear. My weight is more around 100kg. I tried a heavier spring but the frame seems so progressive it felt harsh and I went back to the 250. I’ don’t seem to bottom out very often even with such a light spring
@@VanCan cool man, I appreciate your feedback
i love my 2018 capra and suprisingly it can climb
Hey man, awesome videos! Are you a student at SFU? I'm up there riding all the time but haven't run into you yet haha
Yup, I go to SFU.
Nice work! This is the video I was needing. Even with the Tues! Pwease pwetty pwease do a follow-up day from the bike park. Thank you sir!
Only a couple more weeks and the park will be open
@@VanCan Coast gravity opens at 10AM :) Have fun buddy!
where do you practice those dirt jumps? is that a Vancouver park? I need work!!
They're up at SFU
Very good and interesting Video, I like your neutral point of view, and your skills are also very good, I'm from Germany and I would love to. Ride a real english Bikepark-flow or singwptrail onetime 🙃🤙
Great video but how come you're running high rollers on your downhill bike and not a more aggressive Tire
Just what it came with. I actually just picked up some new tires.
@@VanCan nice
Hah, I loved the video game style bike intros.
Great comparison and well thought out!
Thanks!
Enduro bike needs
180-90 front
175-180 rear
200 mil rotors
Dropper
27.5 or 29
Canyon Torque😍
Luke Geurs I’m getting the al 5.0 soon lol
@@bestofthenavy1609 Nice! My 6.0 will arive in 2 weeks
Riding all of that on a 120mm CUBE AMS RACE......... And can keep up with roadbikes on my way to the trail.
I'm going to try out a 135mm trail bike at the end of then month!
That race trail looks really fun. Love my Capra too!
It is!
you should have put the same tires on both so the comparison really came down to the bikes themselves, not the difference in rolling resistance from tires
This video is just for fun. Choosing the “best” bike is more art than science.
A dh looks the best but here, in Belgium, you don't really have really good bike parks, especially in the Flanders.. So should I go for an Enduro?
Yes enduro would be the smartest option to pick
I use both of them, just build up my new Enduro Bike and my new DH Rig is ordered. With modern Enduro Bikes and some Bike Skills you can ride almost everything. But I prefer the DH Bike on real DH Tracks because you can ride faster with it. At first I rode everything with my DH Bike from Bikeparks to Local Trails and stuff but when you ride just for fun and maybe do some Enduro Races the Enduro Bike is the right one for you as I said you probably can ride every trail with them. Love your Videos by the way, greetings from Austria :)
An interesting thing: on my local Trails, I am so much faster with my 29er Enduro Bike :). Loving this beast 🤘
Thanks! Ya enduro bikes can do everything but I like riding the park with my DH bike.
@@VanCan me too 😉😝
Dose the enduro bike come with the dog?
Hey nice video! I'm searching for a new bike and even if you said that a DH bike is better in bikes park, can an Enduro bike, especially the capra handle it? Because I want to be able to climb up mountains too but I don't have the money to buy two bikes. So do you think that getting a capra is a good choice knowing that I will be spending a decent time in bikeparks?
Ya I see quite a few capras in the park.
@@VanCan nice, thank you!
If you have an enduring bike then probably not but if you have a lower travel trail bike maybe so
Listening to your voice is like watching an asmr video.
Do you ride your DH bike on a lot of local trails out there? I've been itching to buy a Transition TR500 but I've been apprehensive if I want to ride them up and then down some of the trails here in WA.
I only ride one local mountain with my DH bike other than that I only bring it to the bike park.
selling both my hardtail and DH, and buying an enduro. But boy does a DH feel good in the bikepark. I'd say buy the bike that you can ride the most on. And spend as much as you can. I'd rather have an enduro with better grade suspension then both with moderate
no
great video, I got a question I’d like to ask you though, I’m going to Whistler hopefully on Wednesday and I was talking to the rental shop about renting a bike from them and originally I thought the only one I could use is the Specialized Demo 8 which is a DH Bike, but the last guy I talked to said that for somebody my size (320 pounds) there’s a couple other bikes that could be good for me, they’re both Enduro Bikes, one of them is the Yeti SB150 and the other is the Pivot Firebird 29, now if you were going to rent a bike which one do you think you’d go for out of those 3 bikes? I’m leaning more towards the Pivot Firebird as it sounds better for me but I’m not sure.
Are you only riding the bike park? If so a DH bike is the way to go.
yeah I’m planning on sticking with the bike park for this season.
Why not install the Code brakes to the Tues and the Guide brakes to the capra??
That’s just why way they came and I’m not picky enough to swap them.
It depends on the type of riding you want to do..
Thanks for answering my other comment very quickly, but I was also wondering if you would recommend a dh bike to someone who already has a hardtail but loves to ride park and Send awesome features
If you have the budget go for it.
0:30 yep alright I know what all this means yeah I’m following
Getting my 2017 yt capra tomorrow so hyped
So as a complete beginner that lives in the UK with no real crazy Whistler shit around an enduro is the better bet ?? As an all round trail blazing jump machine ??
Yup enduro.
Guide on the Tues and code on the capra?? Little backwards?
Just how they came. I'm not picky about brakes
Wait...Guides on the DH and Codes on the Enduro??