And yet his sentence as a murderer was way little compared to murder in my country. Here in my country,murder is always life sentence when proven guilty.
Not really. You possibly don't live in South Africa where crime is high. Furthermore, Oscar lived with a lot of fear, a fact that he told me about in November 2012.
Excellent interview with the grand master of lawyer's attack & defense tactics/ strategies is Robert Shapiro giving his personal behind the scenes analysis of the Oscar Pistorius murder trial. Great work Journeyman Pictures & thanks for hosting this interview with Robert Sharpiro for the UA-cam community.
Here's what I think happened in the Pistorius case, they had an argument, he's hit her, she's fled and hid in the bathroom and he, in a fit of rage, shot her through the door. He was sorry afterwards, no arguments there but it wasn't going to bring her back.
The OJ case was ground-breaking in legal history.. for the first time ever.. a guilty person ( which everybody knew) could get away with murder as long as he had the best lawyers that money could buy Money triumphed over morality
You show me somebody that thinks OJ is guilty, and I will show you somebody that that has not read the court documents. By the Time this case was done, there was no evidence left against OJ. That’s why the jury took 35 minutes to find him innocent.
It is nice for us non-english speakers. Talking slowly and clearly gives us a chance to follow the conversation. Not all people are native english speakers.
1)Reeva was wearing day clothes when shot 2)Reevas cell phone was found in the toilet 3)Reeva had undigested food in her stomach probably having eaten between 1am to 2 am 4)Toilet door was locked 5)Reeva was shot in the standing position(possibly talking to Oscar) 6)Five people heard arguing and or a woman screaming and lights on in the Pistorius house. 7)Shots were shot at hip level across door to kill.When the Oscar heard her falling on the magazine rack after Reeva was shot initially he is believed to have adjusted his shooting which explains the direction of the bullet holes.Oscar denies the magazine rack being where it was found by police 8) Defendant call security and said nothing and when security called him he said everything was fine after the killing. 9)Everything in her overnight bag was packed except her jeans which were on the floor. 10)Oscar Pistorius contention is that he ran out to the balcony to yell for help after he shot Miss Steenkamp but this is unlikely relative to the position of the large fan which is directly in front of the balcony and the position the duvet, also if both the duvet and the fan were always there it makes certain that he never closed the curtains and could not use the darkness as a excuse for not seeing Reeva. ? Her jeans are on top of the duvet making it evident that it had been lying there all the time.
A jealous b:f that's about to lose a very beautiful woman and he knows he could NVR do better than HER.. She was a plateau as far as a significant other for him.! She rly should've dumped him by txt or e-mail.. SOMETIMES that's the safest way, might be callous, but so is being SHOT down hovering by a toilet..!
I think there is a paradox in OP's version. If he really thought it was a burglar, then what kind of a burglar makes such noises that he would be able to hear those sounds from a few meters away and in spite of the sounds coming from the fan (which according to him had masked the sound of Reeva getting up from bed)? If it was indeed a professional burglar (who needed to be shot for he could be skilled at killing and robbing) then he would not have made any sounds. So OP's version absolutely requires that it was a clumsy burglar who was careless enough to make noise. And also careless enough not to notice that at least one of the inhabitants was still awake and had turned on the fan and that it was not the best time to make any move while hiding in the toilet. But doesn't such a burglar deserve some kind of warning before getting shot? How threatening would such a burglar be, that he needed to be shot through the door without any warning? Would it not be more natural (and logical) to think that such a sound might be produced by a co-inhabitant using the toilet than to think it was a clumsy burglar hiding in the toilet and making a move at a time when the inhabitants were not all asleep? I reserve my judgment.
This guy clearly gets paid by the hour.... Can you imagine being sat there listening to this old tortoise drone on, knowing you are paying for every second several dollars,,, Aghhhhhhhhh. !
Justice for the rich and famous is so lenient. I'm sorry for Reeva and her family. He deserved more than he got, whatever the sentence given. He murdered.
This was the most insightful and thoughtful interview and commentary on the Oscar Pistorius trial thus far. The questions were well researched and very appropriate to provide some interesting insights into the process Trials and defense Strategies for these types of sensational cases. I'm glad? The interviewer Has done a wonderful job. I am and thinking of subscribing to journeyman pictures this is really an excellent expose. It is quite refreshing to see a exit well executed interview like this one from the very boring predictable interviews that you often see on mainstream cable and network television. a job well done!
Actions of an innocent man who lives in a gated community and with security outside: 1. Wakes up from sleep, assumes it's his wife/gf. 2. Checks if she's by his side. 3. She's there sleeping, wake her up and tell to call the police and so gets his gun and deals with business. 4. if she's not in bed, we assume shes making the noise, call out are you okay? Life goes on...
Originally Posted by Donmack Anyone who still believes OP is innocent has to believe that the following scenario is credible: Reeva happily goes to bed having packed all her clothes neatly away in her bag, including her underwear and the top she was wearing, while leaving her jeans inside out at the bottom of the bed OP wakes in the night and immediately puts his hands over his face. He takes them off long enough to glance over and notice Reeva's legs under the duvets. He then puts his hands back over his face to get out of bed - pushing aside a duvet that is not actually on him He walks around to Reeva's side of the bed without either looking at her or telling her what he's doing. She doesn't ask, either Once his back is completely turned, Reeva silently scrambles across to his side of the bed and walks totally noiselessly and in the pitch black to the toilet Never once facing the bed, OP brings both fans in and positions them at the end of the bed. How he did that with his back to the bed the entire time, I am unable to fathom. He either stood with his back to the bed, and put the fans in front of him and then walked around them, or positioned them with his arms behind him In spite of the pitch black room he notices jeans on the floor. He is bothered by a small LED light enough to want to cover them with said jeans - but not bothered by the lit up LED display, the light on the TV or the lights on the light switches He hears a terrifying sound from the bathroom and is frozen with fear. At no point does it cross his mind that it may have been the person sharing the bedroom and bathroom with him making the noise - nope, he's so convinced it can't be her, he doesn't even bother to turn his head and glance in her direction He doesn't seek to clarify what he's heard with his awake girlfriend who is feet away from him. He doesn't wonder if she heard it too and is scared He feels particularly vulnerable because he's on his stumps, but doesn't take a few seconds to put on the legs that are, actually, right next to him He stops being frozen with fear and heads for his gun, making his way around the fans that he has just positioned in front of the bed. He holds into the bed for balance, and says not a word to the person who is in it regarding the fact that he believes that there are intruders in the next room and he needs to arm himself He reaches under the bed for the gun careful not to glance across at the person he believes is in it He stands up, faces the passage and whispers/ speaks quietly to Reeva telling her to get down and call the police without actually telling her why. He is not surprised that she doesn't ask or that she doesn't bother to get out of bed and get down as instructed He makes his way in terror to the bathroom - ignoring the door that he and Reeva could have escaped through and the panic alarm that would have brought immediate help He's so desperate to put himself between the intruders and Reeva that he doesn't actually check where Reeva is He is too scared to put the light on but not too scared to start screaming as soon as he starts walking down the passage He is walking slowly and quietly down the passage, screaming Reeva hears the screaming but is too scared of the intruder to respond and give away her position, so she slams the door OP screams at Reeva to call the police. She fails to do this even though she has her phone with her OP gets to the bathroom doorway, and stops screaming so that the intruders won't know where he is When he sees that there's no one in the bathroom, he starts screaming again Reeva stands facing the door making no effort to speak to her screaming boyfriend who is now standing right outside the toilet door. She doesn't wonder if he wants to come into the toilet and hide with her, she selfishly hides behind the silently locking door and says nothing Somehow she steps backwards to knock the magazine rack on the other side of the toilet before immediately stepping forward again to the position she was in when she was shot OP has many thoughts running though his head - a story about a neighbour being tied up in his house, the crime rate in SA, the builder leaving a ladder outside his house, the folly of shooting a warning shot into the shower in case it ricochets and hits him, but a noise from the toilet has all thoughts disappearing from his mind like a fart in the wind and he shoots once, moves position and shoots three more times without actually meaning to....all the while screaming He stands screaming for a bit, then walks backwards out of the bathroom screaming He gets to the bedroom, screaming, and is a trifle surprised to see that Reeva is not sitting in bed after hearing four gunshots from the en suite bathroom He heads across the bed backwards,keeping his eyes on the passage....she's not there. He walks along the gap between the bed and the curtains, she's not there. She's not behind the curtains either. Gasp. Was that Reeva in the toilet? He doesn't even bother checking to see whether she's run out of the bedroom - that would be a ridiculous thing to do given that the shooting was in the bathroom, so he sees no sense in even checking (yes, he actually said that) He runs with his gun back to the bathroom and tries to pull open the door - he's still scared it may be an intruder, and hopeful it's not Reeva, but he doesn't bother checking to see if there's a ladder outside the window He runs back to the bedroom, parts the curtains and shouts for help from the balcony....holding a cocked gun in his hand because he's still scared He puts down his gun, sits on the bed, looks for his socks, puts on his legs then picks up his gun again to run to the bathroom - all in the pitch black because he tells us he never opened the curtains or put on the light Kicking the door doesn't work, so he runs back for his bat. He then runs back to the bathroom with a cocked gun in one hand and a cricket bat in the other Oh, I almost forgot - throughout all of this he is screaming like a woman, except when he goes onto the balcony to shout for help in a man's voice All of the above takes him 15 minutes Back in the bathroom, he puts down the gun and hits the door three times with enough ferocity that six people think they are gunshots. Four of those people had slept through the real gunshots 15 minutes earlier - seemingly not bothered by a sound 1000 times louder than the sound that they are hearing now Once he breaks down the door and sees Reeva bloody and not breathing, he is as silent as a monk. No more screaming - he is too "sad" to scream anymore In spite of screaming at Reeva to call the police three times, it doesn't occur to him to do the same himself now He sits sobbing over her, then pulls her against him, feeling her blood run on to him - although it only manages to stain his shorts and forearms He is so distraught by Reeva's condition, that getting medical help for her is not his first thought....calling a friend is He psychically knows that Netcare will tell him to get Reeva to hospital himself so he calls Stander to help him lift her so he can do this He then calls Netcare to be given the worst medical advice of all time - to take a woman who has been shot three times, once in the head, to hospital himself He calls Security for help, then sobs down the phone to them. When they call him back, he forgets to ask for help and tells them he is fine He runs downstairs, careful to switch off the alarm first and opens the door, crying Coming back upstairs he smashes his way through the bedroom double doors before simply unlatching them He carries Reeva through the bedroom, leaving a dissected line of blood that is half on carpet and half on the duvet on the bed - which the police can handily line up later making it look like the duvet was on the floor all along and that OP is one enormous great big fat liar I could go on, but my dinner is ready. I am starting to think that anyone who truly believes this man is innocent is slightly divorced from reality. It's the biggest load of bullcrap I have ever, ever heard. Seriously.
the other biggest problem to oscar's testimony was the fact that he said, he reached for the gun and then approached the bathroom and was yelling out to reeva to call the cops and yelling out to reeva to hide and stay safe before he pulled the trigger. consider this: how come if he is yelling this that Reeva would have stayed quiet this entire time and not respond at all? she would have prior knowledge that oscar had a gun
Reeva could not know where were standing the " intruders" so she jept quiet not to draw attentiin from them. She locked the door and stayed near the door to listen what was going on.
So simple: He at NO time made any effort to ascertain where she was. Also If he had thought there was an intruder in the bathroom which is HIGHLY improbable (why would you break into a house and lock yourself in the bathroom thus trapping yourself?) he could have gotten Reeva and left the house!
Oscar's motive: Reeva was very assertive as her messages indicated, and obvious she was getting aware of Oscar's selfishness. We also know that Oscar is used to date young girls, and that is probably why Reeva' assertiveness had a stronger effect on him since she was older than him, uncovering thus his selfish/childish behavior. Furthermore, Oscar's childhood (as a amputee, orphan from mother, and abandoned by his father) might have led to a personality disorder because his inherent low self-esteem and lack of role models in a crucial point of his life. Summarizing, Oscar killed Reeva because the natural disposition of his character.
SHE HAD EXPRESS VERY CLEARLY, THAT SHE WAS AFRAID OF HIM . HE KNEW SHE WAS IN THE BATH ROOM. SHE LOCKED THE DOOR WITH HER CEL PHONE,( WHY? WHO WAS SHE GOING TO CALL? IF HE HAD A REAL FEAR ABOUT SOME ONE IN THE HOUSE. WHY DID HE LEAVE THE BALCONY DOOR OPEN AND WENT TO BED????? I DO NOT BELIEVE ANY OF HIS STORY.
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In this world everyone is pointing the finger, there is no compassion. It's difficult to tell the truth in such a situation, you know you will be crucified and people will enjoy it. Who's to blame ?
I hate these celebrity defence lawyers, especially when they have no ethics.. defend anyone, never mind what they personally believe is the truth! Just all one big game, a money winning, fame making game.. sick. Rather a lawyer who won't take a case, defence or prosecution unless they are at least somewhat convinced the person is guilty/innocent.
dont hate the players hate the game. Any lawyers who have 'no ethics' and win cases only ever expose the flawed judicial system. They have only ever showed us that the justice system needs to change.
Imagine a situation where you're accused of something you didn't do, and nobody will take your case because they think you're guilty. Not only do you have the disadvantage of everyone's preconceptions, but you don't even get an adequate defence. I hear what you're saying though - I was encouraged to go in that direction, but I wouldn't because of the lack of ethics. I'm just not sure if there's a viable alternative to this system.
I love that he acts like he's a good lawyer. He is a crook, tampers with evidence, bribes police officials, he leads witnesses, he is the definition of a terrible lawyer.
He got OJ off on a murder charge where all the evidence pointed to him, I think that is the definition of a good lawyer. I think you mean a morally corrupt lawyer
Ian O'Donnell No...Cochran got OJ off. The jurors liked Cochran, as he related to them better, being mostly African Americans. And, the jury weren’t going to vote guilty anyway. They’ve admitted it was payback for Rodney King. Prosecution didn’t stand a chance.
***** Hmmm to bad,June does not have your sense of revenge ,and Reeva's family feels different from you,June clearly stated to BBC,He made a terrible mistake...agree with you phill......annie.....start working on the dead body part please
***** It makes no sense for you to exclaim that he will be acquitted 'over your dead body', even as an expression, since you have absolutely no influence on the outcome of this case whatsoever.
Where is Jeremy Kyle when you needed him. Oscar needs to do a Lie Detector test if he really killed Reeva. Lie detector tests are usually 99% accurate.
Im seeing this video long after the trial began, now the trial is in recess while Oscar Pistorius gets evaluated for his mental health. This attorney was able to predict quite a few things that now in hindsight happened exactly.
I STAND CORRECTED. Some psychopath who calls herself, "Vierotchka," believes that Oscar Pistorius is absolutely innocent, and just had me blocked for taking her insane theories apart. She also made statements that in South Africa, things are far different than they are here in America, as though cold blooded murder is any different in her country. But today, I learned that she might have been right! When the security officer Pieter Beba testified that when he called Pistorius to ask if everything was okay, Pistorius responded, "Everything's fine." So, I owe Vierotchka an apology. In South Africa, the phrase, 'Everything's fine," actually means, "I just murdered my wife."
C L Reva had had enough of Pistorius. He knew she was on the verge of ending it. You don’t shoot through a bathroom door not knowing if it’s your GF behind it. He knew it was Reva.
RIP Nicole and Ron. My heart still aches for both families. There is a hole that can never be filled when a parent loses their child; no matter what age the child is. MURDER is not ok and for those bashing, think about how you would feel if your family member was butchered by someone famous then walked away smiling.
I was in Presleys night club when my friend said "Did you hear about that Oscar Pistorius who shot his girlfriend?" I didn't even know who Oscar was at that stage.
why didn't he call out to Reba or say anything before shooting? also has no one ever gotten out of bed gone to the bathroom with him a sleep made noise or gone down stairs to the kitchen ? come on just like when he said "I will try not to lie" he is guilty. He should have called out to any one before ever firing a shoot.
Sharon B Hey wake up I think someone is in the house. Whose in the bathroom? And why are you hiding in the toilet? She screamed as I shot here 4 times.
George Sinclair Exactly, that's the first thing I would have done.She had 2 cell phones with her.Why?.I have not heard prosecution ask that question.Have you?
socalprepper21 he did shout out.. But fired maybe to quick after without waiting response or reeva thought he knew she was save there and he was shouting to somebody else.. .. and therefor made no sound Then he shot.
He may have been considered a wheeler-dealer plea expert when OJ first called, and he was overshadowed by Cochran. But few can doubt that he's been by far the most successful post-OJ, of all the attorneys involved in that trial.
What advice would you give Oscar pistorios if you were his lawyer : don't make any statements, keep your mouth shut cause if you talk I walk, 'CLASSIC'.
Clearly you have not lived in South Africa with all the horrendous murders going on, for which America is partially responsible thanks to the sanctions you placed on S.Africa instead of looking at you own situation for a change.
And what right does a man who does not know South Africa or what it is like to live in South Africa have to talk about this case? You really cannot fathom this if not from South Africa.
After watching the OJ trial for weeks on TV, I would say Shapiro delegated the heavy lifting to Barry Scheck, who won the case, along with Bailey. Scheck's closing argument exonerated OJ, essentially. Shapiro gave no closing and his cross-x of Vanadder was sloppy and dull.
I still cannot believe OJ got away with it... Yes he was charged after the Goldmans sued him for wrongful death and is now in jail for a complete;y different crime, but you just know he would see it as "I got away with killing it." If LA where not such a uncomfortable/segregated time after the LA City Riots/Rodney King case, I really do think he would not have walked away... I really would like to know how his children are these days. I don't blame them for wanting to be out of the spot light. Does anyone know weather they continued to and do still see the Brows? It would be such a strange position to be in. They probably had to convince themselves of his innocent just for their emotional self preservation.
I'd disagree with one point: in the U.S.A. they'd rather lock up innocent people rather than let a guilty one go free: usually "guilty until proven innocent. Fascinating man!
How does this man sleep at night?. O.js blood was all over Ron Nicole and O.js Bronco mixed all togeather and u guys said it was planted?. Shame on all of u guys for having anything to do with that man getting off. How do u Mr Shapiro not have Ron Goldmans picture of his body and Nicole in ur mind?. Ron Goldmans father and sister who have had to live a life with this being done. Nicole's family. I don't no how u live with urself and than now say on Barbara Walters that now u think he's quilty.
Haha 36:40...i'm guessing Shapiro is gonna be a bit underwhelmed by the actual 'defense expert testimony' on light levels: Dixon!!! Deff no examination of the effects of pupil dilations! Think he just stood in the room for a bit. Well anyway Pistorius' problem is scientific testing makes him look more guilty tbh
All the attorneys knew he was quiltie. Shame on all of u guys who represented O.J. u all knew O.js blood was at that crime. Scene and u wanted to say it was planted. Just horrible!. Very sad! No justice to Nicole's family none
One has to take into account the context - South Africa, where break-ins are common and burglars kill the occupants of a house first and then rob the house. So, if one hears a noise in the middle of the night, it is natural to not wake up one's partner but to grab one's gun (always kept within easy reach of one's bed) and go for the burglar before the burglar has a chance to kill one. Therefore, Pistorius' story is perfectly credible.
Vierotchka a burglar, who makes himself known to inhabitants by shutting the window door loudly and producing other sounds by moving the bathroom door. That is one very amateurish burglar. Anyway, one main point is that a man who can shoot and kill a thief without giving him any warning signals or any chance to live is actually as bad as shooting his girlfriend (not wife) through the bathroom door over fury/some severe domestic dispute.
z1s2d3c4 A burglar who, as is the "custom" in his country, intends to kill the occupants of a home before stealing objects will likely not care about making noises, and can accidentally make loud noises if taking refuge in a bathroom. In South Africa, burglars are often amateurish and not at all "professional". In the Pistorius case, there is no evidence whatsoever of fury or a severe domestic dispute. Remember that in the USA, it is both acceptable and legal to shoot an intruder in one's home without any warning. I personally find this very wrong. Also, a large number of gun-related deaths of members of the shooter's family are accidental.
I think they argued and she said its over he wasn't having it .I'd state my life on it .He was like no you won't.my ex was like it no one will want you so stay here
Getting guilty people off is the best advertising for lawyers.
wow you have no idea what the facts are but you just call them guilty because your a fucking Sheep who believes all the lies the Media tells you!!!!!
Welp better call Saul
You don't need to be a lawyer to know Oscar guilty. It's common sense.
And yet his sentence as a murderer was way little compared to murder in my country. Here in my country,murder is always life sentence when proven guilty.
Not really. You possibly don't live in South Africa where crime is high. Furthermore, Oscar lived with a lot of fear, a fact that he told me about in November 2012.
At the end of the day Oscar will need to live with the fact he killed a defenseless person, regardless of how good his lawyers are.
I don't think that will bother him Faith. He has no conscience.
stating the obvious there kid
Excellent interview with the grand master of lawyer's attack & defense tactics/ strategies is Robert Shapiro giving his personal behind the scenes analysis of the Oscar Pistorius murder trial. Great work Journeyman Pictures & thanks for hosting this interview with Robert Sharpiro for the UA-cam community.
Here's what I think happened in the Pistorius case, they had an argument, he's hit her, she's fled and hid in the bathroom and he, in a fit of rage, shot her through the door. He was sorry afterwards, no arguments there but it wasn't going to bring her back.
Where is your evidence from the court findings?
The OJ case was ground-breaking in legal history.. for the first time ever.. a guilty person ( which everybody knew) could get away with murder as long as he had the best lawyers that money could buy
Money triumphed over morality
He is innocent lol.
He got away with double murder!
It wasn’t just money, that jury would get him off with any lawyer
You show me somebody that thinks OJ is guilty, and I will show you somebody that that has not read the court documents. By the Time this case was done, there was no evidence left against OJ. That’s why the jury took 35 minutes to find him innocent.
Don’t forget race. If Nicole had been coloured and oj white it would have been guilty
This could 1/3 shorter if both the interviewer and Mr Shapiro weren't talking so slowly.
Subject isn't worth 52min.
It is nice for us non-english speakers. Talking slowly and clearly gives us a chance to follow the conversation. Not all people are native english speakers.
@@Ettibridget That is certainly true.
1)Reeva was wearing day clothes when shot
2)Reevas cell phone was found in the toilet
3)Reeva had undigested food in her stomach probably having eaten between 1am to 2 am
4)Toilet door was locked
5)Reeva was shot in the standing position(possibly talking to Oscar)
6)Five people heard arguing and or a woman screaming and lights on in the Pistorius house.
7)Shots were shot at hip level across door to kill.When the Oscar heard her falling on the magazine rack after Reeva was shot initially he is believed to have adjusted his shooting which explains the direction of the bullet holes.Oscar denies the magazine rack being where it was found by police
8) Defendant call security and said nothing and when security called him he said everything was fine after the killing.
9)Everything in her overnight bag was packed except her jeans which were on the floor.
10)Oscar Pistorius contention is that he ran out to the balcony to yell for help after he shot Miss Steenkamp but this is unlikely relative to the position of the large fan which is directly in front of the balcony and the position the duvet, also if both the duvet and the fan were always there it makes certain that he never closed the curtains and could not use the darkness as a excuse for not seeing Reeva. ? Her jeans are on top of the duvet making it evident that it had been lying there all the time.
stating the obvious there kid
Who the hell shoots into a closet sized bathroom not knowing whose in there?
a psychopath
A jealous b:f that's about to lose a very beautiful woman and he knows he could NVR do better than HER.. She was a plateau as far as a significant other for him.!
She rly should've dumped him by txt or e-mail.. SOMETIMES that's the safest way, might be callous, but so is being SHOT down hovering by a toilet..!
+Trace M You are right on that, dumping somebody remotely is the only way to go sometimes.
+Truthsabre7 OJ...I mean Pistorius.
Truthsabre7 someone who knows exactly who is behind the door, and wants them dead.
I think there is a paradox in OP's version. If he really thought it was a burglar, then what kind of a burglar makes such noises that he would be able to hear those sounds from a few meters away and in spite of the sounds coming from the fan (which according to him had masked the sound of Reeva getting up from bed)? If it was indeed a professional burglar (who needed to be shot for he could be skilled at killing and robbing) then he would not have made any sounds. So OP's version absolutely requires that it was a clumsy burglar who was careless enough to make noise. And also careless enough not to notice that at least one of the inhabitants was still awake and had turned on the fan and that it was not the best time to make any move while hiding in the toilet.
But doesn't such a burglar deserve some kind of warning before getting shot? How threatening would such a burglar be, that he needed to be shot through the door without any warning?
Would it not be more natural (and logical) to think that such a sound might be produced by a co-inhabitant using the toilet than to think it was a clumsy burglar hiding in the toilet and making a move at a time when the inhabitants were not all asleep?
I reserve my judgment.
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This guy clearly gets paid by the hour....
Can you imagine being sat there listening to this old tortoise drone on, knowing you are paying for every second several dollars,,, Aghhhhhhhhh. !
Well he was younger and quicker then.....
Justice for the rich and famous is so lenient. I'm sorry for Reeva and her family. He deserved more than he got, whatever the sentence given. He murdered.
This was the most insightful and thoughtful interview and commentary on the Oscar Pistorius trial thus far. The questions were well researched and very appropriate to provide some interesting insights into the process Trials and defense Strategies for these types of sensational cases. I'm glad? The interviewer Has done a wonderful job. I am and thinking of subscribing to journeyman pictures this is really an excellent expose. It is quite refreshing to see a exit well executed interview like this one from the very boring predictable interviews that you often see on mainstream cable and network television. a job well done!
Actions of an innocent man who lives in a gated community and with security outside:
1. Wakes up from sleep, assumes it's his wife/gf.
2. Checks if she's by his side.
3. She's there sleeping, wake her up and tell to call the police and so gets his gun and deals with business.
4. if she's not in bed, we assume shes making the noise, call out are you okay? Life goes on...
Originally Posted by Donmack
Anyone who still believes OP is innocent has to believe that the following scenario is credible:
Reeva happily goes to bed having packed all her clothes neatly away in her bag, including her underwear and the top she was wearing, while leaving her jeans inside out at the bottom of the bed
OP wakes in the night and immediately puts his hands over his face. He takes them off long enough to glance over and notice Reeva's legs under the duvets. He then puts his hands back over his face to get out of bed - pushing aside a duvet that is not actually on him
He walks around to Reeva's side of the bed without either looking at her or telling her what he's doing. She doesn't ask, either
Once his back is completely turned, Reeva silently scrambles across to his side of the bed and walks totally noiselessly and in the pitch black to the toilet
Never once facing the bed, OP brings both fans in and positions them at the end of the bed. How he did that with his back to the bed the entire time, I am unable to fathom. He either stood with his back to the bed, and put the fans in front of him and then walked around them, or positioned them with his arms behind him
In spite of the pitch black room he notices jeans on the floor. He is bothered by a small LED light enough to want to cover them with said jeans - but not bothered by the lit up LED display, the light on the TV or the lights on the light switches
He hears a terrifying sound from the bathroom and is frozen with fear. At no point does it cross his mind that it may have been the person sharing the bedroom and bathroom with him making the noise - nope, he's so convinced it can't be her, he doesn't even bother to turn his head and glance in her direction
He doesn't seek to clarify what he's heard with his awake girlfriend who is feet away from him. He doesn't wonder if she heard it too and is scared
He feels particularly vulnerable because he's on his stumps, but doesn't take a few seconds to put on the legs that are, actually, right next to him
He stops being frozen with fear and heads for his gun, making his way around the fans that he has just positioned in front of the bed. He holds into the bed for balance, and says not a word to the person who is in it regarding the fact that he believes that there are intruders in the next room and he needs to arm himself
He reaches under the bed for the gun careful not to glance across at the person he believes is in it
He stands up, faces the passage and whispers/ speaks quietly to Reeva telling her to get down and call the police without actually telling her why. He is not surprised that she doesn't ask or that she doesn't bother to get out of bed and get down as instructed
He makes his way in terror to the bathroom - ignoring the door that he and Reeva could have escaped through and the panic alarm that would have brought immediate help
He's so desperate to put himself between the intruders and Reeva that he doesn't actually check where Reeva is
He is too scared to put the light on but not too scared to start screaming as soon as he starts walking down the passage
He is walking slowly and quietly down the passage, screaming
Reeva hears the screaming but is too scared of the intruder to respond and give away her position, so she slams the door
OP screams at Reeva to call the police. She fails to do this even though she has her phone with her
OP gets to the bathroom doorway, and stops screaming so that the intruders won't know where he is
When he sees that there's no one in the bathroom, he starts screaming again
Reeva stands facing the door making no effort to speak to her screaming boyfriend who is now standing right outside the toilet door. She doesn't wonder if he wants to come into the toilet and hide with her, she selfishly hides behind the silently locking door and says nothing
Somehow she steps backwards to knock the magazine rack on the other side of the toilet before immediately stepping forward again to the position she was in when she was shot
OP has many thoughts running though his head - a story about a neighbour being tied up in his house, the crime rate in SA, the builder leaving a ladder outside his house, the folly of shooting a warning shot into the shower in case it ricochets and hits him, but a noise from the toilet has all thoughts disappearing from his mind like a fart in the wind and he shoots once, moves position and shoots three more times without actually meaning to....all the while screaming
He stands screaming for a bit, then walks backwards out of the bathroom screaming
He gets to the bedroom, screaming, and is a trifle surprised to see that Reeva is not sitting in bed after hearing four gunshots from the en suite bathroom
He heads across the bed backwards,keeping his eyes on the passage....she's not there. He walks along the gap between the bed and the curtains, she's not there. She's not behind the curtains either.
Gasp. Was that Reeva in the toilet? He doesn't even bother checking to see whether she's run out of the bedroom - that would be a ridiculous thing to do given that the shooting was in the bathroom, so he sees no sense in even checking (yes, he actually said that)
He runs with his gun back to the bathroom and tries to pull open the door - he's still scared it may be an intruder, and hopeful it's not Reeva, but he doesn't bother checking to see if there's a ladder outside the window
He runs back to the bedroom, parts the curtains and shouts for help from the balcony....holding a cocked gun in his hand because he's still scared
He puts down his gun, sits on the bed, looks for his socks, puts on his legs then picks up his gun again to run to the bathroom - all in the pitch black because he tells us he never opened the curtains or put on the light
Kicking the door doesn't work, so he runs back for his bat. He then runs back to the bathroom with a cocked gun in one hand and a cricket bat in the other
Oh, I almost forgot - throughout all of this he is screaming like a woman, except when he goes onto the balcony to shout for help in a man's voice
All of the above takes him 15 minutes
Back in the bathroom, he puts down the gun and hits the door three times with enough ferocity that six people think they are gunshots. Four of those people had slept through the real gunshots 15 minutes earlier - seemingly not bothered by a sound 1000 times louder than the sound that they are hearing now
Once he breaks down the door and sees Reeva bloody and not breathing, he is as silent as a monk. No more screaming - he is too "sad" to scream anymore
In spite of screaming at Reeva to call the police three times, it doesn't occur to him to do the same himself now
He sits sobbing over her, then pulls her against him, feeling her blood run on to him - although it only manages to stain his shorts and forearms
He is so distraught by Reeva's condition, that getting medical help for her is not his first thought....calling a friend is
He psychically knows that Netcare will tell him to get Reeva to hospital himself so he calls Stander to help him lift her so he can do this
He then calls Netcare to be given the worst medical advice of all time - to take a woman who has been shot three times, once in the head, to hospital himself
He calls Security for help, then sobs down the phone to them. When they call him back, he forgets to ask for help and tells them he is fine
He runs downstairs, careful to switch off the alarm first and opens the door, crying
Coming back upstairs he smashes his way through the bedroom double doors before simply unlatching them
He carries Reeva through the bedroom, leaving a dissected line of blood that is half on carpet and half on the duvet on the bed - which the police can handily line up later making it look like the duvet was on the floor all along and that OP is one enormous great big fat liar
I could go on, but my dinner is ready.
I am starting to think that anyone who truly believes this man is innocent is slightly divorced from reality. It's the biggest load of bullcrap I have ever, ever heard. Seriously.
the other biggest problem to oscar's testimony was the fact that he said, he reached for the gun and then approached the bathroom and was yelling out to reeva to call the cops and yelling out to reeva to hide and stay safe before he pulled the trigger.
consider this: how come if he is yelling this that Reeva would have stayed quiet this entire time and not respond at all? she would have prior knowledge that oscar had a gun
Reeva could not know where were standing the " intruders" so she jept quiet not to draw attentiin from them. She locked the door and stayed near the door to listen what was going on.
So simple: He at NO time made any effort to ascertain where she was. Also If he had thought there was an intruder in the bathroom which is HIGHLY improbable (why would you break into a house and lock yourself in the bathroom thus trapping yourself?) he could have gotten Reeva and left the house!
Awesome ! My time well wasted on this.I disagree with his talk on celebrities though because they always run away from punishment.
Two justice systems: One system for the rich who can afford the best defense, the other for the poor who are usually found guilty.
Nicely filmed. Great eyelines. Beautiful lighting. Excellent sound.
Nonsense: "Robert Shapiro Talks Straight: Robert Shapiro is known as "the lawyers' lawyer", a grand master of attack and defence."
He looks like Spock from Star Trek
A true prosecutor does not want to 'Win' he wants to see justice is done. Many American prosecutors seem to have forgotten that.
That was dope! Very well done. So informative. Good idea. Thanks.
why is that man wearing a yellow blazer?
he wn a gold medal
because yellow suits are sold in stores.
It's attractive.
if i have learned anything, its that u cant trust a guy in a yellow blazer!
Mohammed Mughal cos hes indian
Oscar's motive: Reeva was very assertive as her messages indicated, and obvious she was getting aware of Oscar's selfishness. We also know that Oscar is used to date young girls, and that is probably why Reeva' assertiveness had a stronger effect on him since she was older than him, uncovering thus his selfish/childish behavior. Furthermore, Oscar's childhood (as a amputee, orphan from mother, and abandoned by his father) might have led to a personality disorder because his inherent low self-esteem and lack of role models in a crucial point of his life. Summarizing, Oscar killed Reeva because the natural disposition of his character.
SHE HAD EXPRESS VERY CLEARLY, THAT SHE WAS AFRAID OF HIM . HE KNEW SHE WAS IN THE BATH ROOM. SHE LOCKED THE DOOR WITH HER CEL PHONE,( WHY? WHO WAS SHE GOING TO CALL? IF HE HAD A REAL FEAR ABOUT SOME ONE IN THE HOUSE. WHY DID HE LEAVE THE BALCONY DOOR OPEN AND WENT TO BED????? I DO NOT BELIEVE ANY OF HIS STORY.
Can Shapiro make another video or comment with the OPs now testimony please
Fair play, he shaved his head so that he would look like John Travolta.
lololololololololol
JonathanAnon I believe he has cancer.
Very interesting, thank you so much.
People always have different perceptions on almost everything but i would like to say to u......Levels,Fantan and Ribhe ......You are doing a great job in providing anchorage to the youths who seek breakthroughs in their musical careers....especially in this trending genre....Keep it up.....May God bless you in abundance..
In this world everyone is pointing the finger, there is no compassion.
It's difficult to tell the truth in such a situation, you know you will be crucified and people will enjoy it.
Who's to blame ?
I hate these celebrity defence lawyers, especially when they have no ethics.. defend anyone, never mind what they personally believe is the truth! Just all one big game, a money winning, fame making game.. sick. Rather a lawyer who won't take a case, defence or prosecution unless they are at least somewhat convinced the person is guilty/innocent.
What about a surgeon who treats a wounded killer?
dont hate the players hate the game. Any lawyers who have 'no ethics' and win cases only ever expose the flawed judicial system. They have only ever showed us that the justice system needs to change.
georgiegirlize your way of thinking is very naive!
***** Not strictly true. The onus is on the prosecution to prove guilt. The defence doesn't have to prove innocence.
Imagine a situation where you're accused of something you didn't do, and nobody will take your case because they think you're guilty. Not only do you have the disadvantage of everyone's preconceptions, but you don't even get an adequate defence.
I hear what you're saying though - I was encouraged to go in that direction, but I wouldn't because of the lack of ethics. I'm just not sure if there's a viable alternative to this system.
this guy was great in "the magnificent seven"
I love that he acts like he's a good lawyer. He is a crook, tampers with evidence, bribes police officials, he leads witnesses, he is the definition of a terrible lawyer.
He got OJ off on a murder charge where all the evidence pointed to him, I think that is the definition of a good lawyer. I think you mean a morally corrupt lawyer
Ian O'Donnell No...Cochran got OJ off. The jurors liked Cochran, as he related to them better, being mostly African Americans. And, the jury weren’t going to vote guilty anyway. They’ve admitted it was payback for Rodney King. Prosecution didn’t stand a chance.
He's not a crook! Good man/ attorney....
And he's also a draft dodger. Typical.
Shapiro, you really are a lawyer.
If there's this much doubt, Pistorius has already won the case.
***** Hmmm to bad,June does not have your sense of revenge ,and Reeva's family feels different from you,June clearly stated to BBC,He made a terrible mistake...agree with you phill......annie.....start working on the dead body part please
theres no doubt he murdered his lady.motive?thats the question
***** It makes no sense for you to exclaim that he will be acquitted 'over your dead body', even as an expression, since you have absolutely no influence on the outcome of this case whatsoever.
amen tristan......
Where is Jeremy Kyle when you needed him. Oscar needs to do a Lie Detector test if he really killed Reeva. Lie detector tests are usually 99% accurate.
the guy came in the window in the bathroom and then he went to the toilet and he did not turn on any light
Im seeing this video long after the trial began, now the trial is in recess while Oscar Pistorius gets evaluated for his mental health. This attorney was able to predict quite a few things that now in hindsight happened exactly.
Would LOVE to hear his comments now that the trial has been going for a while.
Would love to hear his comments now that he's been released
I STAND CORRECTED. Some psychopath who calls herself, "Vierotchka," believes that Oscar Pistorius is absolutely innocent, and just had me blocked for taking her insane theories apart. She also made statements that in South Africa, things are far different than they are here in America, as though cold blooded murder is any different in her country. But today, I learned that she might have been right!
When the security officer Pieter Beba testified that when he called Pistorius to ask if everything was okay, Pistorius responded, "Everything's fine." So, I owe Vierotchka an apology. In South Africa, the phrase, 'Everything's fine," actually means, "I just murdered my wife."
In the US constitution it does say everyone has the right to a trial by jury and the right to a defence
If Robert Shapiro is talking straight, it would be the first time.
Lol
He speaks wisely and about very interesting aspects and issues. Thanks for uploading. Very interesting interview !
Indeed this is the fascinating part about this story: what is the motive?
C L Reva had had enough of Pistorius. He knew she was on the verge of ending it. You don’t shoot through a bathroom door not knowing if it’s your GF behind it. He knew it was Reva.
RIP Nicole and Ron. My heart still aches for both families. There is a hole that can never be filled when a parent loses their child; no matter what age the child is. MURDER is not ok and for those bashing, think about how you would feel if your family member was butchered by someone famous then walked away smiling.
LAPD was racist maybe your heart should hurt for all those black people they killed
Intelligent guy. It's just a shame he represented oj Simpson
He is exceptionally rational, knowledgeable and objective. Also it was a lousy crime scene investigation.
Thank you for your this... Explains more of our courts incompetent handling of the case...
our court system handles a LOT of cases improperly.
Well oscar made so many inconsistencies....
I was in Presleys night club when my friend said "Did you hear about that Oscar Pistorius who shot his girlfriend?" I didn't even know who Oscar was at that stage.
Lawyers are not disgusting when you need them....they are better than real estate agents
Greatest legal mind of all times
Wonderful lawyer! Everything he said became true.
Why didn't the Court go on what Oscar Pistorius said?
Robert Shapiro is a genius!! He is inspiring me to want to study law!!
Sonia A hes a deal maker! You think he got OJ off? No. Johnny Cochran and Barry Sheck did that, not Shapiro.
the lawyer looks rather old and terribly aging
This is a very important aspect 😂😂😂🖕
why didn't he call out to Reba or say anything before shooting? also has no one ever gotten out of bed gone to the bathroom with him a sleep made noise or gone down stairs to the kitchen ? come on just like when he said "I will try not to lie" he is guilty. He should have called out to any one before ever firing a shoot.
I agree! I also had the same thought when he said "I will try not to lie."
Sharon B Hey wake up I think someone is in the house.
Whose in the bathroom? And why are you hiding in the toilet? She screamed as I shot here 4 times.
George Sinclair
Exactly, that's the first thing I would have done.She had 2 cell phones with her.Why?.I have not heard prosecution ask that question.Have you?
socalprepper21 he did shout out..
But fired maybe to quick after without waiting response or reeva thought he knew she was save there and he was shouting to somebody else.. .. and therefor made no sound
Then he shot.
*Reeva
He may have been considered a wheeler-dealer plea expert when OJ first called, and he was overshadowed by Cochran. But few can doubt that he's been by far the most successful post-OJ, of all the attorneys involved in that trial.
What advice would you give Oscar pistorios if you were his lawyer : don't make any statements, keep your mouth shut cause if you talk I walk, 'CLASSIC'.
Clearly you have not lived in South Africa with all the horrendous murders going on, for which America is partially responsible thanks to the sanctions you placed on S.Africa instead of looking at you own situation for a change.
And what right does a man who does not know South Africa or what it is like to live in South Africa have to talk about this case? You really cannot fathom this if not from South Africa.
You see power I see corruption.
After watching the OJ trial for weeks on TV, I would say Shapiro delegated the heavy lifting to Barry Scheck, who won the case, along with Bailey. Scheck's closing argument exonerated OJ, essentially. Shapiro gave no closing and his cross-x of Vanadder was sloppy and dull.
Excellent summary by shapiro !!
Excellent legal perspective.
Looks like another chance for him to sell some books.
I wished someone had got baldy a glass of water. There is nothing worse than hearing someone on a mic dehydrated errrrgh!!!
I still cannot believe OJ got away with it... Yes he was charged after the Goldmans sued him for wrongful death and is now in jail for a complete;y different crime, but you just know he would see it as "I got away with killing it." If LA where not such a uncomfortable/segregated time after the LA City Riots/Rodney King case, I really do think he would not have walked away...
I really would like to know how his children are these days. I don't blame them for wanting to be out of the spot light. Does anyone know weather they continued to and do still see the Brows? It would be such a strange position to be in. They probably had to convince themselves of his innocent just for their emotional self preservation.
FINALLY SOMEONE SAYS THE TRUTH.
Your statement proves he's a good lawyer.
i swear, robert shapiro looks like agent no3 from thunderbirds lol
how does he sleep at night after getting OJ OFF?
their lawyers...
Because Mr.Shapiro, did his job.
@@toddgrogg8005 still dosent answer my question!OJ stabbed Nicole 16 times,his lawyers will take that to the grave!
Law is just who can lie the best within the rules. No justice. No morals. No ethics.
Sucks
I'd disagree with one point: in the U.S.A. they'd rather lock up innocent people rather than let a guilty one go free: usually "guilty until proven innocent. Fascinating man!
Hating a lawyer who is just good at what he is doing is the silliest thing one can do!
Lawyer = Filth!
The shoulder grab at 2:09 seems familiar, confident, dominent
it's italian way... they touch a lot ...
Oscar should pay, and shut up...
Jealousy..........he killed her
HOLY CRAP OJ SIMPSONS BROKEN INTO MY HOUSE TO TAKE A DUMP.. . .BANG BANG BANG BANG.. . .HELLO IS THAT YOU OJ???
Imagine being such a great con man that you can make a jury plus the general public doubt scientific facts...thats a gift
Thanks Mr Babuta.....brilliant.......thanks Mr Shapiro.......A lesson in law!!
Is that his name Babuta? He's paid for asking common questions. Terrible reporter
Very interesting and thank you xo
Captivating film.
How does this man sleep at night?. O.js blood was all over Ron Nicole and O.js Bronco mixed all togeather and u guys said it was planted?. Shame on all of u guys for having anything to do with that man getting off. How do u Mr Shapiro not have Ron Goldmans picture of his body and Nicole in ur mind?. Ron Goldmans father and sister who have had to live a life with this being done. Nicole's family. I don't no how u live with urself and than now say on Barbara Walters that now u think he's quilty.
Said it himself " A Horrendous crime "
The real Oscar came forward. He thought he was untouchable, arrogant and had no respect for his father. He lost his 👑
"Reserve judgement until you know all the facts."
Always.
Jerry Springer 1 I
His son died of drugs in 2005 ....
That was very sad.
THROW OUT THE YELLOW COAT
shapiro's a guru he said about the cell phone text before the trials and it actually happened
Haha 36:40...i'm guessing Shapiro is gonna be a bit underwhelmed by the actual 'defense expert testimony' on light levels: Dixon!!! Deff no examination of the effects of pupil dilations! Think he just stood in the room for a bit. Well anyway Pistorius' problem is scientific testing makes him look more guilty tbh
That is true if he pleaded 'not guilty' but it switches to direct evidence because he admitted although in self defence.
All the attorneys knew he was quiltie. Shame on all of u guys who represented O.J. u all knew O.js blood was at that crime. Scene and u wanted to say it was planted. Just horrible!. Very sad! No justice to Nicole's family none
One has to take into account the context - South Africa, where break-ins are common and burglars kill the occupants of a house first and then rob the house. So, if one hears a noise in the middle of the night, it is natural to not wake up one's partner but to grab one's gun (always kept within easy reach of one's bed) and go for the burglar before the burglar has a chance to kill one. Therefore, Pistorius' story is perfectly credible.
Bman Chu
Unless, of course, the point of entry was the toilet, which can make perfect sense.
Bman Chu
I was responding to your "I always break into houses and beeline straight for the bathroom."
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Bman Chu
According to Pistorius, he thought the burglar hid in the toilet.
Vierotchka a burglar, who makes himself known to inhabitants by shutting the window door loudly and producing other sounds by moving the bathroom door. That is one very amateurish burglar.
Anyway, one main point is that a man who can shoot and kill a thief without giving him any warning signals or any chance to live is actually as bad as shooting his girlfriend (not wife) through the bathroom door over fury/some severe domestic dispute.
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A burglar who, as is the "custom" in his country, intends to kill the occupants of a home before stealing objects will likely not care about making noises, and can accidentally make loud noises if taking refuge in a bathroom. In South Africa, burglars are often amateurish and not at all "professional". In the Pistorius case, there is no evidence whatsoever of fury or a severe domestic dispute.
Remember that in the USA, it is both acceptable and legal to shoot an intruder in one's home without any warning. I personally find this very wrong. Also, a large number of gun-related deaths of members of the shooter's family are accidental.
this guy is brilliant
he said if the defendant claims a self defence stratagy that they would have to testify - not true - one word ZIMMERMAN.
I have this on x1.5 and I still feel like it’s to slow...
I think they argued and she said its over he wasn't having it .I'd state my life on it .He was like no you won't.my ex was like it no one will want you so stay here
control freak
He could have any beautiful girl he wanted. They were only together 3 months. Yet suddenly he goes bonkers and shoots her?