Hey thanks bro! I do find these interesting and I believe these types of tests can help in explaining the feel of the controller’s aim. Really appreciate the support!
I'm very pleased with the fact that I'm not the only one who has noticed this, the words I would use for the types of response curves iv noticed are Smooth/Normal (ex. Normal Xbox Controller) and Aggressive (ex. Fusion Pro or any of the budget PDP Controllers like the Rematch Series Controllers for Xbox Series X/S) the best way iv tried explaining this to my buddies is "with a Controller that has the Aggressive Response Curve, moving the joystick about 20% from centre would be equivalent to 50% from centre on a Smooth/Regular Response Curve Controller like a Normal Xbox Controller that would come with the console and what that means in a game like COD aiming feels more "Responsive/Quicker" and the reason for me why I think that's better then the Smooth/Regular Response Curve is because it makes Controlling Recoil on a gun far easier as I only need to move the joystick down a little less then I would have to on a Smooth Response Curve plus the added benefit of Aim Assist in COD basically makes any gun I wield a Lazer Gun"
Yet again you go above and beyond with these videos, I've have actually bought all these controllers in the past and the way you've described them are spot on., Something about the gambit keeps me going back to it over the rest. It's such a shame the build quality of the sticks are poor. They feel nice but i've had 4 gambits over the past year. 3 month mark it always seems to start messing up. I'm not sure if it's the actual stick or if it's grime/dust build up that causes the sticks to glitch out, I've got a can of contact cleaner coming i'm hoping this fixes the gambit
@@johngester2387 yeah I got some wd-40 contact cleaner coming in the mail gonna give it a try. Hopefully it works cause other than the sticks messing up this controller is so good
Bro tell me about it man, there is something PDP Victrix have done with those favoruion sticks, it just feels right. One thing i sthe position of the modules and having no outer deadzone so only the physical thumbstick gate acting as the max I think helps with the feel. It's like it helps build muscle memory for aiming where I just feel so accurate moving the aim. Another thing could be the screen setup and the input lag, so depending what are screens are like, those built in centre deadzones kinda work in our favor. I'm honestly checking to see if there are other controllers using the favor union sticks, you won't believe my excitement when I opened the Eswap s module to find the orange caps, but those are C&K but looks very much like the favorunion's. Have to say I've been very lucky with my gambit so far. The only issue I have is the trigger's spring seems to have lost tension and they ar ehyper sensitive, so much so I have to use lik ethe third stop and increased the minimum deadzone alot to not have any accidental actuation. Thanks alot for your support bro, I honestly believe as gamers we are all connected and we'd never want any of us to have a bad experience. i'm hoping all the info in the comments will help others as well.
Your videos with these kind of detailed explanations are sooooo good and helpful thanks. Btw how would you describe the response curve of the normal gamesir g7, not the g7 se. I am thinking about getting it.
Hey it’s definitely smooth and will be like the wolverine V2 chroma. I actually initially wanted the G7 in this vid, but someone is borrowing it currently 😂. Thank you so much for the support bro!
Interesting video. In games which offer a linear response curve I prefer smooth feeling of the sticks - g7 se. If it comes to shooters with usual response curves (most of them) then I prefer “quick aiming sticks” - powera advantage (cheaper version of fusion pro 3).
I’ve been looking at the advantage for a review, as I do love PowerA stuff. The aiming response option is a really good feature in COD, but I do prefer standard as I think the screen input lag plays a role, where if I chose linear it kinda feels off for me, and the delayed response of standard makes me feel connected to the aim. I’m playing on a cheap 144hz monitor so I think that’s the factor. I have to say the quick response controllers with precision rings are something else man!
I like what you are doing. With my series X, I use the eswap s pro for a year now. It's by far the best controller I've ever used. Coming from MS elite series1. Playing usually fps games only. Bought now the gamepad pro X from snakebyte. They should deliver end of November, can't wait to try out my first hall effect sensor sticks.
Thanks bro! The gamepad pro will feel a bit different at first, specially coming from the EswapS. I do love them both but you’ll find that you need different in game sensitivity for both. I’ve used them so much that I remember my settings now. I can see thrustmaster releasing Hall effect modules as well, but will they is anyone’s guess. Gamepad pro is definitely one of my favourite HE sticks controllers, the trigggers are really good, I honestly wish they make a 4 back button controller at some point.
@@thephototechy hall effect modules would be so dope! Since I'm playing claw, I'm not really using any back buttons. Mostly I assign the stick pressing (R3, L3) to it. Weird question: I'm in the EU and on thrustmasters website any stick modules are always showing out of stock since 6 months roughly. Any idea where I can get replacements since one of mine started to show a little drift.
@@manfredselak267 hey so I noticed the same thing specially with the single S5 and S2 modules, here in UK Amazon just never have them and scan.co.uk get them every now and then. I do see the full packs for EswapX in stock on Amazon but they are £50 or more.
Great video. I never thought that there are so many differences between the manufacturers. I wonder why the companies don't use this for advertising purposes. I think a lot of players would make their purchase decision based on these kind of infos.
Hey I was thinking the same trying different controllers and feeling the difference in aiming. It could be that there is no standardised algorithm naming, I just described them as smooth and hyper, in reality I’m sure the internal terms might be different. I know the elite series 2 give you options of Radial, axis independent & true diagonals options in the accessories app, but they only apply if you change the response curve a bit and don’t do anything in the standard setting. Thanks for support bro!
Hmm, that’s what’s bothering me about my gambit. Not enough twitch. It’s almost as if it can’t keep up with my fast sense and I’m finding that when I flick, it’s usually under flicking or overflicking. Maybe I’ll try the eswap or fusion pro 3. Great video btw. These in depth vids are more informative than most vids out there.
@@kyrenrowe461 definitely man I’m thinking of finally for the first time in my life get a gaming PC so I can review more stuff. Thanks for the support bro!
@@thephototechy heck yeah brother. I want to get one too lol. My daughter spilled her chocolate inside my series s and it runs weird now. Like my game has like ultra dsync now or microstutters.
@@kyrenrowe461 sorry to hear that bro. The price of a decent gaming PC is scary, specially if trying build a space saving one, hopefully I can convince myself soon enough 😂
Very detailed video, keep it up, i only see you do these type of content, for me too much response can kill aim assist, been liking the g7 se so far, you can actually recalibrate the sticks and use another thumbstick.
Hey I was actually waiting for the G7se raw fix and wanted to include it in this video, as that’ll be a smooth feeling with in raw mode. I was calibrating the sticks on the G7se when I was playing with it, I only used the PowerA fusion pro3 stick on it and then kept the G7 black sticks on. Thanks for the support bro!
Another great video, thank you brother 🙏 Ihope the next razer controller had a better paddle design Off topic season 6 cod looks good, you saw the roadmap? Hope xdefiant and the new mwiii cod comes fast because im burned out of mwii and this "warzone 2" and rip good old great warzone 1 😢
Thanks bro! Yes the season 6 is looking good, I’m thinking about dipping my toes in warzone as well. Xdefiant definitely will get a lot of game time from me, but with MWiii doing the movement changes is also looking good. We might actually have 2 amazing games to play this year 😂 let’s hope it pans out well for us.
Hey I’d say that’s about right. I always make sure in game deadzones are set to zero when using PDP controllers. Still they have somehow made the response feel so good, I do think it’s to do with those favorunion sticks and the fact they are using true raw output for max deadzones.
Yeah the built in deadzones can't be disabled, I wonder if they have a univrsal value accross all controllers or if they are different from unit to unit. One thing that makes a big difference as well is the screen input lag, it could be that my screen setup with the built in deadzone made me feel connected to the aim. Thanks for sharing bro!@@D1S0-
@@thephototechy Photo Techy, the problem with firmware-forced deadzones is that when the game forces a deadzone as well, they combine together. If the controller has a 10% forced deadzone, and the game you're playing has input begin at 10% then that means you now have a 20% deadzone. It's why it may feel "fine" in some games, but terrible in others. I ran into this problem with the Razer Wolverine v2 which had a 20% forced deadzone. The controller was simply unusable in most games.
Okay. Hmm so I try the razer! Feel s not good in my hands! And aiming feels weird to. I have the elite 2. No special setting s just the bummer stops and the stick stiffer! I Apex should dead zone in the settings on of? Or standard? Or can I go in the settings an turn off. What do recemend? And the snakebyte I want to test next!
Hey that’s true about the wolverine it’s such a different feeling controller. The problem with elite series 2 is quality control, mine has some issues now. The right bumper has started playing up and the sticks have too much flop, to me the aiming on my series 2 don’t feel good at all. I’d recommend testing your series 2 on gamers tester and see how much input u have at rest. Hopefully it won’t be more than 5% of it is with in 5% try a 4% deadzone in apex. Also remember your screen setup will play a role as well so keep the deadzone at a value where you feel connected to your aim, hope this helps bro.
Super video. Can you do a video how to replace the joystick on victrix gambit? I am note sure, which one i should buy: PDP Rematch* Victrix Gambit G7se or G7 I tried the pdp Rematch and like i see for the pdp rematch its very easy for a replace of the joystick if after x many hours played, but without trigger stop its not so cool 😅, like on victrix gambit.
Hey so I opened the Gambit just to check the trigger stop system and its using the favor union sticks. I myself havent replaced a stick module yet, but I have replaced the potentiometers to fix some issues. I actually want to learn soldering so I can change the modules myself, its something I'll be purchasing next. For controllers I love the Gambit for its response curve and amazing triggers, but G7se just got a 1000hz update and the controller is feeling superb. I have a video planned for shooting in a day or two comparing the G7se 1000hz against the Gambit, FP3 and thrustmaster EswapX. I just want to explain the difference I'm feeling with the G7se 1000 on xbox. Gamesir did pull the update due to some issues so only the ones already got it can currenty use 1000hz. I think Gamesir controllers are getting real good at the value thing, honestly at their price point you wont find a competitor. gambit is definitely a more complete controller for me but its more expensive, Rematch I'd only recommend as a second controller, it does perform really well but has cheaper sticks and potentiometer triggers which can also have problems, also those cheaper sticks in rematch I wasn't able to find them on Amazon, but the higher ones in Gambit I found easily.
@@thephototechy thank you very much for your super explanation here. So i don't like to complicate my life about the replacement of potentiometer at the controller, that is overall what i meaned about the joystick replace.
hi brother deserve a like and a sub for the great time and effort you spend on your channel god bless whatis the best accurate thumbsticks on the market that are precise perfect nearly whith a linear reponse feeling you can say stops always on the same spot are they hall effects or something else ? thank you ❤god bless cheers
Hey so the Hall effect sticks are definitely different, specially what you mentioned about the stopping where you want them. The best I’ve experienced with a smooth response are the Victrix Gambit’s sticks which are the Favorunion’s highest model, but gambit has built in deadzone which can’t be disabled and that might be a deal breaker for some. Currently I’m working on a review of the thrustmaster EswapS and to my surprise they are using C&K modules which look and match specs with favorunion’s but the company is completely different, and these C&K are performing very good, but thrustmaster has a software based response and outer deadzone. Then we have the Alps and the best feeling alps I’ve experienced are in the Razer chroma, dualsense edge and if the ASUs Raikiri has alps then that’s an absolute amazing feeling response as well. The Hall effect sticks are showing some limitations, like that diamond logo shape within the max boundaries and I do feel that stopping on command to be a bit off and kinda need adjusting to. One benefit of the Hall effect is the long term degradation, where the potentiometer lose alot of resolution (something I’ll be showing in an upcoming video) the Hall effects can potentially be recalibrated to the desired response with in the active area. I personally miss that sorta friction and dampening when playing with Hall effect sticks. So I’d go Hall in but the issue I have, is at times I play with the standard controller wirelessly and going back and forth between hall and potentiometer is a bit of a mess, you really need to adjust to the change every time, and at times you just don’t have the time 😂 So for that reason I’d probably stay with potentiometer until we get a good wireless Hall effect option.
@@thephototechy its kind of you to reply with all that amazing information your saving peoples money rather just being buyest .. big fan of people like you definetly need more nowdays i enjoyed reading all what you wrote my respect to you sir god bless many thanks keep it up .. should do a tear list someday and collabrate with gamerheaven he is amazing like you ❤️
@@sarrafkuwait hey thank you so much, and hopefully one day I’ll be able to Collab with Kevin, he is hands down the best controller reviewer on UA-cam.
So is the gambit the most default feeling type of controller? Meaning more like a basic xbox controller? I bought the Fusionpro 3 and I notice that twitch you mention with the aiming and honestly not really fan of it. When i warm up on aimlabs, the difference in aiming between the stock xbox controller and FP3 is really noticeable. It doesnt feel as drastic in game though as it does on aimlabs but it still seems off and i much prefer the aiming/response curve of a stock xbox controller.
Hey the gambit is definitely closer to the stick Xbox controller but a lot better for me personally, I do feel those favorunion sticks in gambit have a unique quality to them, it’s like the aim stops exactly when I intended it to. Please bare in mind there’s other factors as well, like my screen input lag that can play a part in this as well. For the FP3 try and add a bit of a deadzone in the middle and see if that twitchy kinda a uncomfortable feeling goes away. For me personally Gambit and then the Raikiri from ASUs are the top 2 best aim feel controllers of my liking, hope this helps.
For me the best Controller for aiming is the Victrix Gambit controller. I own two but both broke after 2 months, because of too intense clicking on the bumpers and Paddels. Now i use the Gamesir G7 SE but i just cant get my head around the responds curve the sticks have. I would much rather have the Victrixs responds curve on the G7 SE is that possible?
Hey I know what you mean about the Gambit, I think the combination of Favorunion modules and a true raw stick output makes the Gambit feel so good. G7se on the other hand has given us 2 options with normal mode and Raw mode, I personally like the snappy feeling of raw mode on the SE. One tip I can give you is to try normal Xbox series controller thumbsticks on the G7se, the shaft diameter is a bit thicker on them so it reduces the active area, making them feel snappy in the normal circular mode. You do need to calibrate the controller after installing them. I think we need to get used to the Hall effect sticks feel as the industry is moving in that direction, Turtlebeach has just announced their premium controller and it’s using the Ksilver Hall effect sticks as well. I wish they had used the favorunion Hall effect sticks but we’ll see which controller use them first and how they’ll feel.
Hey yes bro I did see their video and I’ve been checking every day for the update 😂, as they mentioned the raw mode fix particularly, still not showing anything for me. The moment I have it I’ll be testing the G7se again.
@@thephototechy hopefully the update is soon! Especially since I’ll be getting the controller at the end of this month. Also would you say this has less input delay than a regular Xbox one/ series controller?
@@vexu4063 yes the G7se is 250hz poling rate and that’s the max supported on Xbox consoles currently, so it’s a 4ms response where as the standard series controller and even the elite is 125hz at 8ms response, so G7se definitely has an upper hand.
I’m honestly really enjoying the eswap s m, even after the countless bugs I’m experiencing. The language on their website kinda suggests the older S5 sticks to be from different manufacturers, maybe alps. The S2 with eswap s do feel really nice. Thanks for the comment bro!
Hey so if you are talking about the longer grip handle in the palm, then Thrustmaster EswapS and X looks like would be a good option. All others feel very much like a standard Xbox controller, apart from Razer Wolverine V2 Chroma, which has its own feel with smaller palm grips.
Nice video ! I was wondering if you have any clue what polling rate the Razer would have ? A big advantage on pc with the gambit is that the processor is 500hz, so veryblow response time.
Hey the Razer is 250hz I tried overclocking it and the response stayed at just under 4 milliseconds. The only ones I’ve been able to personally over lock and see a difference in xinput are Gambit, PDP rematch and EswapS, all of these were able to get to 500hz and under 2ms, hope this helps.
What controller do you believe has the best deadzone and response curve out of the box? I was thinking of switching back to the original xbox controller because nothing feels right for me
Could you please explain how exactly you made precision tester to read the input from the right sticks on all of your controllers? I tried to test my default Xbox Series and Elite S2 controllers and the program was reading only left stick inputs, and I couldn't find any sort of settings or preferences in the program window 😢
Hey yes so the joy tester only picks the left stick. I swapped the sticks around on the PC using the Xbox accessories app. It’s very simple to do, let me know if you need more info.
The lightest in my collection with amazing trigger stops is the Snakebyte's gamepad pro. weighs 217-218g on my scales and I actually really liked the triggers on that controller, the springy feeling with dampened noise is really really good. The Raikiri is another one at 223g but the trigger stops are like a normal harsh stop and cuts 80% of pull, hope this helps.
Hey I always keep the left back button crouch and right for jump. From the old claw days it’s kinda been right hand for jump, I know alot of people do it the other way round. For a while I tried jump and crouch both on the left side on elite 2, but with so many controllers having only 2 back buttons, assigning the crouch to left hand and jump to right makes me being able to use them properly, hope this helps bro.
Hey not on Xbox, I was able to do it on PC but there was a separate exe downloaded from their website. The gamerHQ software on PC directs you to the website, if the gamerHQ doesn’t show an update available then you already have the current firmware.
Can you compareaim response on dualsense and gamesir g7 controller? I really love how stick feels on dualsense but im lookin for cheap controller with 2 back paddles, I heard g7 got alps but how they behave? Different than dualsense?
Hola yo estoy también probando y comparando muchos mandos y por ahora el que mejor me funciona para juegos FPS es el astro c40. Próximamente me compraré el elite 2, razer wolverine v2 chroma , victrix gambit de xbox y el victrix pro bfg y alomejor el fusion pro 3. Espero que alguno pueda vencer al astro c40…. Una pregunta cual es el mando que tiene menos zona muerta ?? Me interesa saber cual es el mando con menos zona muerta y más rápido.
Hey you testing plans sounds amaizng. The Fusion pro 3 seems to have only 1% deadzone after the recent update, Gambit feels in the realm of 5% and more maybe. Razer Chroma has the option to reduce the built in deadzones in the app but doesn't completely disable them. Gamesir G7 allows us to completely disable the deadzone, hope this helps.
Hey so the Ksilver sticks on G7se do sit a tiny bit lower in the shell than the alps on G7, but with the recent update fix of the raw mode I’m using the green precision rings with no problem and loving the result, hope this helps.
Question. Do you know if the razer wolverine v2 has the same response time/sticks as the v2 chroma? Asking because I don’t need the extra back buttons because I claw. Thanks.
Hey I can’t say for sure, the chroma is 250hz and locked as I did try the overclock and it stayed at 4ms. One would think the V2 should be the same as well but I can’t say that it’s 100% 250hz.
Hey man so I think the thread from rise of flight is gone now. Im a bit worried about sharing this due to any potential software issues. I did find it again through the link below for my other computer and it’s exactly the same program, but please only download it at your own discretion. There is another way to test the sticks and that’s VPC joystick tester and that one is legit so definitely check that one out as well. www.joysticks.ru/files/
You're the only one I've seen doing these types of tests on controllers. Very interesting stuff!
Hey thanks bro! I do find these interesting and I believe these types of tests can help in explaining the feel of the controller’s aim. Really appreciate the support!
@@thephototechyhey thanks for those videos! Do you play cod on Xbox and do something to reduce input lag? Or overcloaking?
I'm very pleased with the fact that I'm not the only one who has noticed this, the words I would use for the types of response curves iv noticed are Smooth/Normal (ex. Normal Xbox Controller) and Aggressive (ex. Fusion Pro or any of the budget PDP Controllers like the Rematch Series Controllers for Xbox Series X/S) the best way iv tried explaining this to my buddies is "with a Controller that has the Aggressive Response Curve, moving the joystick about 20% from centre would be equivalent to 50% from centre on a Smooth/Regular Response Curve Controller like a Normal Xbox Controller that would come with the console and what that means in a game like COD aiming feels more "Responsive/Quicker" and the reason for me why I think that's better then the Smooth/Regular Response Curve is because it makes Controlling Recoil on a gun far easier as I only need to move the joystick down a little less then I would have to on a Smooth Response Curve plus the added benefit of Aim Assist in COD basically makes any gun I wield a Lazer Gun"
Yet again you go above and beyond with these videos, I've have actually bought all these controllers in the past and the way you've described them are spot on., Something about the gambit keeps me going back to it over the rest. It's such a shame the build quality of the sticks are poor. They feel nice but i've had 4 gambits over the past year. 3 month mark it always seems to start messing up. I'm not sure if it's the actual stick or if it's grime/dust build up that causes the sticks to glitch out, I've got a can of contact cleaner coming i'm hoping this fixes the gambit
Wd 40 electric parts clean, fixed it on the gambit for me. Spraying some in the potentiometers and moving the sticks around seems to fix it.
@@johngester2387 yeah I got some wd-40 contact cleaner coming in the mail gonna give it a try. Hopefully it works cause other than the sticks messing up this controller is so good
Hey before using the spray how much of the drift did you have on the gambit? mine seems to be going strong atm.@@johngester2387
Bro tell me about it man, there is something PDP Victrix have done with those favoruion sticks, it just feels right. One thing i sthe position of the modules and having no outer deadzone so only the physical thumbstick gate acting as the max I think helps with the feel. It's like it helps build muscle memory for aiming where I just feel so accurate moving the aim. Another thing could be the screen setup and the input lag, so depending what are screens are like, those built in centre deadzones kinda work in our favor.
I'm honestly checking to see if there are other controllers using the favor union sticks, you won't believe my excitement when I opened the Eswap s module to find the orange caps, but those are C&K but looks very much like the favorunion's.
Have to say I've been very lucky with my gambit so far. The only issue I have is the trigger's spring seems to have lost tension and they ar ehyper sensitive, so much so I have to use lik ethe third stop and increased the minimum deadzone alot to not have any accidental actuation. Thanks alot for your support bro, I honestly believe as gamers we are all connected and we'd never want any of us to have a bad experience. i'm hoping all the info in the comments will help others as well.
Your videos with these kind of detailed explanations are sooooo good and helpful thanks. Btw how would you describe the response curve of the normal gamesir g7, not the g7 se. I am thinking about getting it.
Hey it’s definitely smooth and will be like the wolverine V2 chroma. I actually initially wanted the G7 in this vid, but someone is borrowing it currently 😂. Thank you so much for the support bro!
Interesting video. In games which offer a linear response curve I prefer smooth feeling of the sticks - g7 se. If it comes to shooters with usual response curves (most of them) then I prefer “quick aiming sticks” - powera advantage (cheaper version of fusion pro 3).
I’ve been looking at the advantage for a review, as I do love PowerA stuff. The aiming response option is a really good feature in COD, but I do prefer standard as I think the screen input lag plays a role, where if I chose linear it kinda feels off for me, and the delayed response of standard makes me feel connected to the aim. I’m playing on a cheap 144hz monitor so I think that’s the factor. I have to say the quick response controllers with precision rings are something else man!
amazing my dude keep it up
Thanks bro!
I like what you are doing. With my series X, I use the eswap s pro for a year now. It's by far the best controller I've ever used. Coming from MS elite series1. Playing usually fps games only. Bought now the gamepad pro X from snakebyte. They should deliver end of November, can't wait to try out my first hall effect sensor sticks.
Thanks bro! The gamepad pro will feel a bit different at first, specially coming from the EswapS. I do love them both but you’ll find that you need different in game sensitivity for both. I’ve used them so much that I remember my settings now. I can see thrustmaster releasing Hall effect modules as well, but will they is anyone’s guess. Gamepad pro is definitely one of my favourite HE sticks controllers, the trigggers are really good, I honestly wish they make a 4 back button controller at some point.
@@thephototechy hall effect modules would be so dope! Since I'm playing claw, I'm not really using any back buttons. Mostly I assign the stick pressing (R3, L3) to it. Weird question: I'm in the EU and on thrustmasters website any stick modules are always showing out of stock since 6 months roughly. Any idea where I can get replacements since one of mine started to show a little drift.
@@manfredselak267 hey so I noticed the same thing specially with the single S5 and S2 modules, here in UK Amazon just never have them and scan.co.uk get them every now and then. I do see the full packs for EswapX in stock on Amazon but they are £50 or more.
Great video. I never thought that there are so many differences between the manufacturers. I wonder why the companies don't use this for advertising purposes. I think a lot of players would make their purchase decision based on these kind of infos.
Hey I was thinking the same trying different controllers and feeling the difference in aiming. It could be that there is no standardised algorithm naming, I just described them as smooth and hyper, in reality I’m sure the internal terms might be different. I know the elite series 2 give you options of Radial, axis independent & true diagonals options in the accessories app, but they only apply if you change the response curve a bit and don’t do anything in the standard setting. Thanks for support bro!
By far the gambit has given me the best feeling for linear settings in apex cod and fortnite
Same here man I really like the aim response of the gambit alot, it's one of the reasons I'm saving up to get the Pro BFG.
Hmm, that’s what’s bothering me about my gambit. Not enough twitch. It’s almost as if it can’t keep up with my fast sense and I’m finding that when I flick, it’s usually under flicking or overflicking. Maybe I’ll try the eswap or fusion pro 3. Great video btw. These in depth vids are more informative than most vids out there.
Hey thanks bro!
@@thephototechy No problem, looking forward to more content like this bro!
@@kyrenrowe461 definitely man I’m thinking of finally for the first time in my life get a gaming PC so I can review more stuff. Thanks for the support bro!
@@thephototechy heck yeah brother. I want to get one too lol. My daughter spilled her chocolate inside my series s and it runs weird now. Like my game has like ultra dsync now or microstutters.
@@kyrenrowe461 sorry to hear that bro. The price of a decent gaming PC is scary, specially if trying build a space saving one, hopefully I can convince myself soon enough 😂
Very detailed video, keep it up, i only see you do these type of content, for me too much response can kill aim assist, been liking the g7 se so far, you can actually recalibrate the sticks and use another thumbstick.
Hey I was actually waiting for the G7se raw fix and wanted to include it in this video, as that’ll be a smooth feeling with in raw mode. I was calibrating the sticks on the G7se when I was playing with it, I only used the PowerA fusion pro3 stick on it and then kept the G7 black sticks on. Thanks for the support bro!
Another great video, thank you brother 🙏
Ihope the next razer controller had a better paddle design
Off topic season 6 cod looks good, you saw the roadmap? Hope xdefiant and the new mwiii cod comes fast because im burned out of mwii and this "warzone 2" and rip good old great warzone 1 😢
Thanks bro! Yes the season 6 is looking good, I’m thinking about dipping my toes in warzone as well. Xdefiant definitely will get a lot of game time from me, but with MWiii doing the movement changes is also looking good. We might actually have 2 amazing games to play this year 😂 let’s hope it pans out well for us.
Gambit has a built-in inner deadzone of about 7% to 8% which prevents true micro adjustments.
Hey I’d say that’s about right. I always make sure in game deadzones are set to zero when using PDP controllers. Still they have somehow made the response feel so good, I do think it’s to do with those favorunion sticks and the fact they are using true raw output for max deadzones.
@@thephototechybuilt in inner deadzone was the deal breaker for me, chucked my gambit in the bin.
Yeah the built in deadzones can't be disabled, I wonder if they have a univrsal value accross all controllers or if they are different from unit to unit. One thing that makes a big difference as well is the screen input lag, it could be that my screen setup with the built in deadzone made me feel connected to the aim. Thanks for sharing bro!@@D1S0-
@@thephototechy I’ve heard that the fusion 3 pro has similar issues…
@@thephototechy Photo Techy, the problem with firmware-forced deadzones is that when the game forces a deadzone as well, they combine together. If the controller has a 10% forced deadzone, and the game you're playing has input begin at 10% then that means you now have a 20% deadzone. It's why it may feel "fine" in some games, but terrible in others. I ran into this problem with the Razer Wolverine v2 which had a 20% forced deadzone. The controller was simply unusable in most games.
Okay. Hmm so I try the razer! Feel s not good in my hands! And aiming feels weird to. I have the elite 2. No special setting s just the bummer stops and the stick stiffer! I Apex should dead zone in the settings on of? Or standard? Or can I go in the settings an turn off. What do recemend? And the snakebyte I want to test next!
Hey that’s true about the wolverine it’s such a different feeling controller. The problem with elite series 2 is quality control, mine has some issues now. The right bumper has started playing up and the sticks have too much flop, to me the aiming on my series 2 don’t feel good at all. I’d recommend testing your series 2 on gamers tester and see how much input u have at rest. Hopefully it won’t be more than 5% of it is with in 5% try a 4% deadzone in apex. Also remember your screen setup will play a role as well so keep the deadzone at a value where you feel connected to your aim, hope this helps bro.
Yo. Bro what is yours favorite controller now to use my are the eswap s and the g7se in 1000hz without 1000hz is the eswap s my favorite controller
Super video. Can you do a video how to replace the joystick on victrix gambit?
I am note sure, which one i should buy:
PDP Rematch*
Victrix Gambit
G7se or G7
I tried the pdp Rematch and like i see for the pdp rematch its very easy for a replace of the joystick if after x many hours played, but without trigger stop its not so cool 😅, like on victrix gambit.
Hey so I opened the Gambit just to check the trigger stop system and its using the favor union sticks. I myself havent replaced a stick module yet, but I have replaced the potentiometers to fix some issues. I actually want to learn soldering so I can change the modules myself, its something I'll be purchasing next.
For controllers I love the Gambit for its response curve and amazing triggers, but G7se just got a 1000hz update and the controller is feeling superb. I have a video planned for shooting in a day or two comparing the G7se 1000hz against the Gambit, FP3 and thrustmaster EswapX. I just want to explain the difference I'm feeling with the G7se 1000 on xbox.
Gamesir did pull the update due to some issues so only the ones already got it can currenty use 1000hz. I think Gamesir controllers are getting real good at the value thing, honestly at their price point you wont find a competitor. gambit is definitely a more complete controller for me but its more expensive, Rematch I'd only recommend as a second controller, it does perform really well but has cheaper sticks and potentiometer triggers which can also have problems, also those cheaper sticks in rematch I wasn't able to find them on Amazon, but the higher ones in Gambit I found easily.
@@thephototechy thank you very much for your super explanation here. So i don't like to complicate my life about the replacement of potentiometer at the controller, that is overall what i meaned about the joystick replace.
hi brother deserve a like and a sub for the great time and effort you spend on your channel god bless
whatis the best accurate thumbsticks on the market that are precise perfect nearly whith a linear reponse feeling you can say stops always on the same spot are they hall effects or something else ? thank you ❤god bless cheers
Hey so the Hall effect sticks are definitely different, specially what you mentioned about the stopping where you want them. The best I’ve experienced with a smooth response are the Victrix Gambit’s sticks which are the Favorunion’s highest model, but gambit has built in deadzone which can’t be disabled and that might be a deal breaker for some. Currently I’m working on a review of the thrustmaster EswapS and to my surprise they are using C&K modules which look and match specs with favorunion’s but the company is completely different, and these C&K are performing very good, but thrustmaster has a software based response and outer deadzone. Then we have the Alps and the best feeling alps I’ve experienced are in the Razer chroma, dualsense edge and if the ASUs Raikiri has alps then that’s an absolute amazing feeling response as well.
The Hall effect sticks are showing some limitations, like that diamond logo shape within the max boundaries and I do feel that stopping on command to be a bit off and kinda need adjusting to. One benefit of the Hall effect is the long term degradation, where the potentiometer lose alot of resolution (something I’ll be showing in an upcoming video) the Hall effects can potentially be recalibrated to the desired response with in the active area. I personally miss that sorta friction and dampening when playing with Hall effect sticks.
So I’d go Hall in but the issue I have, is at times I play with the standard controller wirelessly and going back and forth between hall and potentiometer is a bit of a mess, you really need to adjust to the change every time, and at times you just don’t have the time 😂 So for that reason I’d probably stay with potentiometer until we get a good wireless Hall effect option.
@@thephototechy its kind of you to reply with all that amazing information your saving peoples money rather just being buyest .. big fan of people like you definetly need more nowdays i enjoyed reading all what you wrote my respect to you sir god bless many thanks keep it up .. should do a tear list someday and collabrate with gamerheaven he is amazing like you ❤️
@@sarrafkuwait hey thank you so much, and hopefully one day I’ll be able to Collab with Kevin, he is hands down the best controller reviewer on UA-cam.
So is the gambit the most default feeling type of controller? Meaning more like a basic xbox controller? I bought the Fusionpro 3 and I notice that twitch you mention with the aiming and honestly not really fan of it.
When i warm up on aimlabs, the difference in aiming between the stock xbox controller and FP3 is really noticeable. It doesnt feel as drastic in game though as it does on aimlabs but it still seems off and i much prefer the aiming/response curve of a stock xbox controller.
Hey the gambit is definitely closer to the stick Xbox controller but a lot better for me personally, I do feel those favorunion sticks in gambit have a unique quality to them, it’s like the aim stops exactly when I intended it to. Please bare in mind there’s other factors as well, like my screen input lag that can play a part in this as well.
For the FP3 try and add a bit of a deadzone in the middle and see if that twitchy kinda a uncomfortable feeling goes away. For me personally Gambit and then the Raikiri from ASUs are the top 2 best aim feel controllers of my liking, hope this helps.
You should review the razer
For me the best Controller for aiming is the Victrix Gambit controller.
I own two but both broke after 2 months, because of too intense clicking on the bumpers and Paddels.
Now i use the Gamesir G7 SE but i just cant get my head around the responds curve the sticks have. I would much rather have the Victrixs responds curve on the G7 SE is that possible?
Hey I know what you mean about the Gambit, I think the combination of Favorunion modules and a true raw stick output makes the Gambit feel so good. G7se on the other hand has given us 2 options with normal mode and Raw mode, I personally like the snappy feeling of raw mode on the SE. One tip I can give you is to try normal Xbox series controller thumbsticks on the G7se, the shaft diameter is a bit thicker on them so it reduces the active area, making them feel snappy in the normal circular mode. You do need to calibrate the controller after installing them.
I think we need to get used to the Hall effect sticks feel as the industry is moving in that direction, Turtlebeach has just announced their premium controller and it’s using the Ksilver Hall effect sticks as well. I wish they had used the favorunion Hall effect sticks but we’ll see which controller use them first and how they’ll feel.
@@thephototechy thanks🤵🏽♂️👍🏽
Hey bro did you hear they updated the gamesir g7 se? I’m not sure if they fixed the issue you were having but it’s worth a try
Hey yes bro I did see their video and I’ve been checking every day for the update 😂, as they mentioned the raw mode fix particularly, still not showing anything for me. The moment I have it I’ll be testing the G7se again.
@@thephototechy hopefully the update is soon! Especially since I’ll be getting the controller at the end of this month. Also would you say this has less input delay than a regular Xbox one/ series controller?
@@vexu4063 yes the G7se is 250hz poling rate and that’s the max supported on Xbox consoles currently, so it’s a 4ms response where as the standard series controller and even the elite is 125hz at 8ms response, so G7se definitely has an upper hand.
thrustmaster for me are the best cause orf the 33% more precision and reaction i have eswap s and x
I’m honestly really enjoying the eswap s m, even after the countless bugs I’m experiencing. The language on their website kinda suggests the older S5 sticks to be from different manufacturers, maybe alps. The S2 with eswap s do feel really nice. Thanks for the comment bro!
Suggestions for an xbox controller that has a more ps5 controller feel?
Hey so if you are talking about the longer grip handle in the palm, then Thrustmaster EswapS and X looks like would be a good option. All others feel very much like a standard Xbox controller, apart from Razer Wolverine V2 Chroma, which has its own feel with smaller palm grips.
Nice video ! I was wondering if you have any clue what polling rate the Razer would have ? A big advantage on pc with the gambit is that the processor is 500hz, so veryblow response time.
Hey the Razer is 250hz I tried overclocking it and the response stayed at just under 4 milliseconds. The only ones I’ve been able to personally over lock and see a difference in xinput are Gambit, PDP rematch and EswapS, all of these were able to get to 500hz and under 2ms, hope this helps.
What controller do you believe has the best deadzone and response curve out of the box? I was thinking of switching back to the original xbox controller because nothing feels right for me
Hey I’d say thrustmaster Eswap controllers will give you the ability of true 0 deadzone, Gamesir G7/G7se can have the deadzones disabled as well.
What about the elite series 1 and series 2 controllers? How do they compare?
Could you please explain how exactly you made precision tester to read the input from the right sticks on all of your controllers?
I tried to test my default Xbox Series and Elite S2 controllers and the program was reading only left stick inputs, and I couldn't find any sort of settings or preferences in the program window 😢
Hey yes so the joy tester only picks the left stick. I swapped the sticks around on the PC using the Xbox accessories app. It’s very simple to do, let me know if you need more info.
@@thephototechy Oh, that's awesome! Thank you very much)
@@Mr_Antsy you are most welcome bro!
Hey whats the most lightweight controller with trigger stops that i can buy rn? 200g? 215? 220?
The lightest in my collection with amazing trigger stops is the Snakebyte's gamepad pro. weighs 217-218g on my scales and I actually really liked the triggers on that controller, the springy feeling with dampened noise is really really good. The Raikiri is another one at 223g but the trigger stops are like a normal harsh stop and cuts 80% of pull, hope this helps.
What button do you press for crouch ? Ar 6:36 that crouch fire was very clean !
Hey I always keep the left back button crouch and right for jump. From the old claw days it’s kinda been right hand for jump, I know alot of people do it the other way round. For a while I tried jump and crouch both on the left side on elite 2, but with so many controllers having only 2 back buttons, assigning the crouch to left hand and jump to right makes me being able to use them properly, hope this helps bro.
How do I update the Power A Fusion Pro 3 controller? Is there an application on Xbox to update it?
Hey not on Xbox, I was able to do it on PC but there was a separate exe downloaded from their website. The gamerHQ software on PC directs you to the website, if the gamerHQ doesn’t show an update available then you already have the current firmware.
Can you compareaim response on dualsense and gamesir g7 controller? I really love how stick feels on dualsense but im lookin for cheap controller with 2 back paddles, I heard g7 got alps but how they behave? Different than dualsense?
Did you check the PS4 edge ? I want to know how good it is ?
hi, on the gamesir g7 is it better to leave the dead zone at 10% default by the nexus app or lower?
Hola yo estoy también probando y comparando muchos mandos y por ahora el que mejor me funciona para juegos FPS es el astro c40.
Próximamente me compraré el elite 2, razer wolverine v2 chroma , victrix gambit de xbox y el victrix pro bfg y alomejor el fusion pro 3.
Espero que alguno pueda vencer al astro c40….
Una pregunta cual es el mando que tiene menos zona muerta ??
Me interesa saber cual es el mando con menos zona muerta y más rápido.
Hey you testing plans sounds amaizng. The Fusion pro 3 seems to have only 1% deadzone after the recent update, Gambit feels in the realm of 5% and more maybe. Razer Chroma has the option to reduce the built in deadzones in the app but doesn't completely disable them. Gamesir G7 allows us to completely disable the deadzone, hope this helps.
Perfecto probaré el g7 porque con el g7se no me fue muy bien. Notaba los sticks muy lentos y poco receptivos para controlar el recoil.
Yeah the previous firmware did feel sluggish to me as well, the new update has transformed the raw mode for the better.
Do Precision rings works fine on g7 se?
Hey so the Ksilver sticks on G7se do sit a tiny bit lower in the shell than the alps on G7, but with the recent update fix of the raw mode I’m using the green precision rings with no problem and loving the result, hope this helps.
Question. Do you know if the razer wolverine v2 has the same response time/sticks as the v2 chroma? Asking because I don’t need the extra back buttons because I claw. Thanks.
Hey I can’t say for sure, the chroma is 250hz and locked as I did try the overclock and it stayed at 4ms. One would think the V2 should be the same as well but I can’t say that it’s 100% 250hz.
Hey bro, can you make google so i can download joy tester 2? I cant find it on the site.
Hey man so I think the thread from rise of flight is gone now. Im a bit worried about sharing this due to any potential software issues. I did find it again through the link below for my other computer and it’s exactly the same program, but please only download it at your own discretion. There is another way to test the sticks and that’s VPC joystick tester and that one is legit so definitely check that one out as well.
www.joysticks.ru/files/
Thanks my man!