The Curious Case of J.M.W Turner's Later Works | Raiders Of The Lost Art | Perspective
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The story of how JMW Turner's later works divided opinion among critics and the public.
Turner showed his brilliance with this dazzling work. It was stolen in Frankfurt in 1998 and was bought back from the thieves in a curious deal.
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While at school I proposed the idea that Turner was the first impressionist to my art teacher who said "Don't be so ridiculous"...I never did like her.
I totally agree hat Turner should be considered the first Impressionist, how could he not be? Monet admitted that he was influenced by him.
he definitely could be but since he is not regarded as one so i understand your teacher's disdain, still calling that " ridiculous" is a bit rude and uncalled for...
There are those that are taught to teach and then there are those that know there subject (they are not the same)- Turner is obviously a forerunner of the Impressionists who adopted his style as theirs, therefore I totally agree with you that he is the first Impressionist. However do bear in mind he is English and lower class therefore he cannot be either creative or avant garde - only the French can be that.
Yes, a dogmatic art teacher could stifle discovery, the whole purpose of art.
We've all be exposed to short-sighted teachers. Their stupidity stays with us for a lifetime.
One of my favorite painters of all time. His later work is truly immortal in it's transcendence. The painting equivalent of later Beethoven.
I once read an article written by an ophthalmologist who was a fan of Turner. It was his medical opinion that the reason for the change in Turner’s work was due to cataracts. His use of yellow also increased and the yellowing of one’s vision and the loss of visual clarity are both classic symptoms of cataracts.
I can fully accept that! As someone who has been myopic all my life, Turner is just painting what We see. The cataracts are definitely likely.
Yes. I read that maybe 40 years ago. Makes sense but he still put small details in the widest pictures and white paint goes yellow with age. The ophthalmologist might have been referring to paintings before restoration - the effect can be very dramatic.
@@cuebjsmall details could be like how deaf people can still make music and deaf piano players can go on to play. He already had the knowledge imagination and the hand
But if he was seeing a white sky as yellow he would make a mistake, but not if he couldn't really see a bird properly
The piece at 13:08 is called Falls of Schaffhausen (Val d’Aosta) and lies in the National Gallery of Victoria. I can't even express how many times I've stared at it and am always in complete awe of how beautiful this masterpiece is.
Turner was the greatest landscape painter ever. And the impressionists owe him a debt. Nobody has captured Nature’s raw power and majesty better than he did . Salute from kolkata India to a great master.
I have chronic migraines, thank you for doing these docs I can listen to without extra stress
I have ptsd and these are interesting and relaxing I need peaceful educational videos there's too much noise in the world art is a sanctuary for the brain and soul
OMG this is exactly what I am doing right now!
Turner has always had something special
the light, the color. incredible.
I was in Art School in Boston when the Isabella Stewart Gardner art heist happened it was devastating! and still is. Art theft is the worst theft of all imo
Amazing!!! Thank you for this art content
Omg another Turner doc i havent seen!!!! Thank you!!!! xxxx
So the nation gets their Turner's back, and all they had to do was fully capitulate to the thieves demands. Sounds like a classic win-win situation to me. And the term "recovery fee" is such a fantastic euphemism for a ransom pay-off, so kudos to the nation's lawyer's on that bit of work.
Turner’s initial criticism as he produced more expressionist work reminds me of when Bob Dylan went from acoustic folk to electric pop.
Geez as a composer I gotta say dude that's all you got?
@mike adan klliklk
David Roberge. Great analogy
Such a versatile artist!
Nice piece...thank you...
Thank you so much 🙏
Excellent.
Great story of Turner and his art.
An interesting story...ty..
20:03. So the long suffering British Public paid AGAIN. From a Dodgy German lawyer representing the Middle men. ! No one knows how much WE Paid. But is was over 3million EUROs. How outrageous. Once again we got mugged off. And the Lawyers got the gold. It makes me sick inside. This kind of double dealing. Is a symptom of society today
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Very interesting & educational! I always thought of Turner as a Barbizon painter! I stand corrected!
I wonder where those first Turner's sold from the Barber shop ended up... 5:30
Great job as always
JMWT was a mystic. 🎆
Anyone who has any understanding of 20th century physics should feel a great pathos with the break with realism. Our common sense perceptions are the single biggest stumbling block between humanity and truth.
Honored to be the first to comment lol. I love your channel! Thanks for getting me through this pandemic while I’m stuck inside.
you mentioned the two stolen paintings in frankfurt five times but not fkng what happened to them
It was provoking I must agree.
T S Go back and listen to the narrative of the expert from Tate. He was deliberately vague; however, the thieves were identified and arrested, but they had already handed off the paintings to unidentified person or persons unknown. If you listen, you will hear the man say that the Tate put out the word, sub rosa, that they would pay a finder's fee for information leading to the recovery of the paintings. They received many leads which were followed up and eventually first one painting and then the second was returned. Presumably finder's fees were paid, but the exact details will probably never be known outside the art world.
@@kathleenmckenzie6261 I assume there must have been some sort of agreement between the Tate and the "finder" that the details of the transaction and the identity of the "finder" would remain a secret. What I can surmise from all this is that the "finder" may have been in some way involved with the theft, or, at the very least, was familiar enough with the black market that they were able to broker a deal between whoever had the paintings and the Tate. Which means that this person, whoever they are, could be guilty of crimes related to theft or sale of stolen art, or something to that effect. My guess is that the Tate would rather pay the fee and allow that person (and any others involved) go free, rather than risk losing the paintings forever. It's a bit like paying a ransom to get a loved one back, really. The only problem is that, as someone in this documentary correctly pointed out, this sets a precedent and encourages potential thieves to "kidnap" works of art and then ask for "ransom money" to return them to the museums/galleries they were stolen from.
@@babablacksheepdog Exactly! You explained it much better than I did. Thank you. It's amazing the fraud and theft that goes on in the art world and the public seldom, if ever, hears about it.
I believe Turner to be the greatest artist that has ever lived !
The one at 1:38 looks so like Chagall’s work. Of course, it was Chagall inspired by Turner.
Now, where might one store a painting where no one might get to them and from where they might be safely returned "without a scratch"? The number of places that fit this description are limited. Justice does not flow from wrongs done but from a will to see them punished. These types of thefts will only continue to happen until we start seeing prominent and affluent collectors arrested and marched in front of the media as the ethical horror shows that they are.
@Syd McCreath Welcome to, UA-cam?
I like his paintings
@Syd McCreath how did you know, are you spying on me ?
I love the word, twaddle. This piece is twaddle.
@Syd McCreath oh so very clever of you. Did your mom not breastfeed you as an infant?
Far too many commercials. And is this about Turner, or is it about the theft? A melodramatic mish-mash.
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Melodramatic, exactly.
Ever heard of uBlock or Adblock browser extensions?
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Somehow I doubt Mr. Turner actually used colors from the tube. Well, it would bekinda possible since they were founded in 1841 or so -but still. However great art dokumentaries anyway;)
Are you one of the learned people asked to appear in this show?
He was an early impressionist in his later works just like the roman emperor Tiberius was an early form of a stalinist. They had to pay for getting back the stolen paintings due to incompetence. Why didn't they use force to make the thieves talk and unravel the whole sequence behind it?...
You missed the point of the "Light and Colour" and "Shade and Darkness" paintings. Notice the heavenly host of souls in LAC. These are Heaven and Hell paintings.
Exactly!
Madness
I dont mind that the subject was more the theft than the man, but i did find the jumping around and repetitive nature very irritating.
Bloody background music ruins the video- why oh why?!
You might fancy art historians also having some musical taste, alas.
At the very least, the museum received the insurance money plus they got their paintings-
Back out of the basement. Whew!
I keep hoping for even halfway decent reproductions of the complete paintings, but no. Complete compositions are either small or out of focus. And for some confused reason they usually show only PARTS of the painting full-screen, so you miss the composition, and even those they keep moving at all times to distract you...as though it was an animated art form.
bUt DiD yOu KnOw TwO oF tHe PaInTiNgS wHeRe StoLeN???!
One of my longtime favorites. Sad to hear his disdain for marriage while he fathers children. Harsh.
Not to mention tossing his ill mother into one of the worst asylums.
When the perpetual fog he is living in will eventually lift, it'll all be clearer....
In his later years his eyesight was probably failing. That would explain the progression of his style.
Why do you say that? Maybe he grew as an artist and saw past just reproducing scenes and found a new vision of the world! No imagination at all!
@@catofthecastle1681 Actually, dear, those of us with poor eyesight think that all the time! If you want to fantasise, carry on! But I have Turner's Every day of my Life when I take my glasses off. I don't need to 'Imagine' Ain't I lucky? Actually I am. I see light differently without glasses to with, so I can flip from one to the other, no 'imagination' required. It is there, in front of me! For example I have a street light across the road. If I look at it through my glasses it is a street lamp If I look at it without glasses it becomes a bright nimbus surrounded by an aura of rainbow light. Maybe that is what Turner got too. Sorry to burst your poetic bubble
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A Genius.
문화예술,,의 화수분 되어야제.
독재자와 야합한 문화예술 필요없제
Melodramatic twaddle.
Art isn't for stumps like you.
Please vedo available in hindi language
Nope, too much commercials and fear propaganda tone, and no Waldemar Januchak. Dislike.
No Adblock or uBlock browser extensions, ignorance about the worldwide commissioned art-theft business and wrong spelling of Januszczak's name (whom I myself abhor for his constant attempts of smuggling pro-catholic propaganda he was unlucky to be fed as a child into every possible documentary he's ever in).
Dislike to you too.
@@OstblockLatina Pretty sure there's an H somehere in the name, so you aren't doing that great either. And no, definitely have no feelings for world-wide art theft business, and definitely not going to watch any fear-porn related to that subject. Adblock on youtube is stealing from the youtubers, so this F is for U.
@@OstblockLatina I've watched pretty much all of Waldy's major art films and have seen no Catholic propaganda and I'm an atheist who was raised by a Roman Catholic so I'm on the lookout for that sort of thing. Just relax. Deep breaths.
You complained about ads, then defended them. 😂 ok
Annoying loud uncalled for music.
I like lobster salad.
🎂J.M.W. Turner 04-23-2022🖌️
So sick of the art shits all they do is decorate walls BFD
Turner, Britain's best. Sorry, others.
Fuck man what isn't revolutionary these days. So tired of hearing it. From now on everytime I hear the word revolutionary in one of these youtube vids Im turning it off.
Good
Apparently Turner is not interesting enough. We have to get this stupid narrative about the theft of two of his paintings. I feel dumber having watched it. The only good thing to come out of wasting 21 minutes is that I've unsubscribed to the channel and will not longer get these recommendations.
👋 Bye
Perspective is a great channel
Turners impressionist & abstract stuff is really bad, no wonder the Tate used them in an insurance scam.