The 2003 'The Dark Side of the Moon' hybrid SACD was the only version on the shelves of CD shops here in the UK for years. It was often discounted or in buy-one-get-one-free offers. My copy still has a big pink sticker that says "SALE £8'. I've never been very enthusiastic about the sound though, it's always seemed a little muddy, as if it was tweaked to have extra 'analogue warmth'. The 2011 Analogue Productions 'Wish You Where Here' SACD sounds superb, as do my 2011 LPs of both titles.
I have the Carly Simon and Pink Floyd SACDs featured. They're good but in my opinion there are many other SACD releases that blow them out of the water. One of the best, certainly in the top 5 is Nilsson's Nilsson Schmilsson MoFi release. The sound quality is AWESOME!!
I am very disappointed and the Hotel California album by the eagles on Sacd made in Japan he did not have cd text I am mad I wasted money for no reason at all. I bought a re-issue on CD and I had it. I could’ve bought something else than buying a stupid SE CD by the Eagles and I really disappointed they released order a lot of stuff and stupid cardboard. I hate them put them in Jewelcase and put the track listings on all of them Hotel California did I’m gonna try to sell it on eBay. I wish they release the greatest hits while one and two by the Eagles on sacd in jewel case dishoneswhat I have I’m disappointed it does not have the track listings on it but I’m happy it’s in a jewel case it has cd Text I’m sorry this message is so long. I wish they would come out with the very best of the Moody blues on at sacd I already buy the one that plays in all machines I wish they would make sacd dive play in all computers like I said, I’m sorry this message is so long. I am a big Elvis Presley version. I wish they would make all Elvis on sacd and playing on machines I do not like the ones that already play in sacd machines
Thanks for the tips, i picked up the zombies and pink floyd so far much apprciated Steve i just subbed you channel should have done it a while ago better late than never right 👍👍
Awesome. Thanks for subbing. I have a few SACD players. But I am currently using a Marantz CD6007 Player. If you don’t own one yet I suggest looking at used ones in the $500 up price range. I think u can even pick up a new Sony SACD player on Amazon for a decent price.
The recent 5.1 DSOTM offering from Acoustic Sounds is a POS. It sounds like early stereo ping pong effect recordings. Absolute best SACDs: Dire Straits 5.1 BIM and stereo self titled album.
A bunch of promotion is what gives. I noticed the same thing and almost bailed out. Pumping a James Guthrie surround mix of Pink Floyd is misdirected. I have DSOTM, WYWH, and Animals …and they are all uninspiring in surround.
I will look for these Steve and thanks for the recommendations!! I still think about those horrible fire disasters at both UMG in 2008 and Atlantic Records in 1978. I just hope that there are many great pristine and well mastered production copies to work from for future reissue projects and the same applies to the movie industry as well in safe keeping old movie and TV show masters. Big hugs and I hope your new year is going well for you...Friends, Lloyd.
@@stevewestman7774I enjoyed it and could tell it's higher quality audio vs my normal CDs. I think I'm going to spend more money than I should on a new Receiver with native DSD as well as Dolby Atmos.
Thanks Steve, I have the 2011 version of Dark Side Of The Moon, which is very satisfying to me. The other mentioned SACD’s I don’t own yet, but I will check on Carly Simon :-)
...a what? Do you have any idea of techonlogy required to record SACD? Why do you think when first has been introduces to us, the public back then did not succed!? I will tell you why. It was too expensive to them too. These days will convince A LOT MORE PEOPLE (audiophiles..) the REAL benefit of having the "simplest" but actually ENOGHT complex in process of reproduction of music from physical support (plastic support.. using laser to read.. too 5, actually 6 speakers! completely separate channeld in terms of separation...) and this is just the start of enjoyment in listening being surrounded...
I bought the MOFI Sacd of Eagles on the Border ,MOFI is getting a bad name for the vinyl DSD Debacle but they still know how to make Superior CDs along with Analogue Productions like Eddie Money 1st album and Dave Brubeck Time Out... I don't put them in any car stereo either ,the pull and eject mechanism scratches the hell out of it ,,,,make copies of your best CDs for the car..I keep them in protective plastic also to keep the cases from getting marred ..The things are like gold that holds value..
@VIDSTORAGE no I missed it but I do have all the sacds plus the old warner (gold obi) except for long road. If you like it desperado sounded excellent, sonics are superb. 😉
@@hulksmash6476 Desperado is great I have the 70s vinyl...I never had a SACD standard ,only the hybrids but the old Yamaha dvd player I have will play it . I need to get one for a try..I wonder if this older DVD player I have from 2007 is reading the CD code or the SACD Layer code but it sounds great anyways
Blu-ray Audio is better but not as many titles. Will work on any Blu-ray player is a bonus too. The Bob Marley Legend sounds incredible. SACD second. DVD Audio should never have been released. Two formats just hurts both of them.
@@stevewestman7774maybe it's because I have to import them from USA, Hong Kong or China but they're expensive for me in the UK. £50-100. Some are £20-30 so more reasonable. It's a shame there's next to no new releases now.
There's a guy in a different video comparing Dark Side of the Moon releases' sound including what he called the SA-CD version. No, he was playing the regular CD layer. The regular CD layer is old mix we know and love. But the real SA-CD 5.1 version is special. I have it. It might be 10 years since I've played it. And I couldn't tell you if my launch PS3 that *does* play SA-CDs will still work. (I need to find out. excuse me...)
Yes. Thank you. I literally realized my error the minute the vid was posted. I put a correction in the the description of the video. My bad. Hope you enjoyed the vid.
Beware recommendations for "best SACD" that lead with a mono album, and follow with the lackluster 5.1 mix of Dark Side of the Moon (very dumb that they didn't hire Alan Parsons do it, when he did the original quad). A couple of truly great, still in-print SACDs: Diana Krall, The Look of Love Eagles: Hotel California A SACD truly worth getting, even if a bit pricey*: Billy Joel, The Stranger (original multichannel edition: NOT the later 2 channel from Mobile Fidelity, which was terrible). Since in the video he thinks $40--50 is "cheap" for a single album, I think we can stretch that to $60 or so. 😅
I've recently bought a couple of newer (re)releases for anywhere inbetween $20 to $30. Two discs by Isao Tomita (Planets and Pictures at an exhibition) plus the classic Fleetwood Mac - Rumours and Keith Jarrett - The Köln Concert. And if you want to go really cheap there's Jamie Cullum's Twentysomething and Nick Drake's A Treasury. Those can be had for as little as $5. I do wish there was some modern jazz or electronica available. Most of the releases seem to be Rock for 40 year old dads, ancient Jazz or Classical music. And I'm way too young for most of those. :P
With SACD, are we talking DSD quality? Apparently that is 99.999999% as good as hearing the master tape in the studio (if mastered well). Check out PS Audio's Paul on his Octave Records and DSD Studios channel.
Some SACDs are recorded in DSD, some are from PCM masters and others are based on analogue recordings. Except for some early releases, SACDs are from audiophile labels and they usually have all the technical information in the booklet. Whether an SACD player is really DSD is another matter. Some high end machines and early Sonys use pure DSD DACs, other players will convert the music to PCM at some point, most modern players use some kind of Delta-Sigma conversion. I don't think it's worth getting hung up about it, the important question to me is 'do they sound better than CDs?', the answer is yes (most of the time).
@@Grrrr3FKAGrrrrGrrrrGrrrrmost DACS don't support DSD. So conversion to PCM is essential. All the Sony Blu-ray or 4K Blu-ray players with SACD support can bitstream DSD or convert to PCM and output. It's still bit perfect so I wouldn't get hung up on it like you say.
As for 2003 PF SACD, it's technically perfect, but kind of lifeless. A dynamics has gone completely. I cannot agree it's the best TDSOTM release I've heard. "The Great Gig In The Sky" - she sing like they pay 5 pounds per hour to her. I have a rip from a copy of a copy of... 15 ips made on Mechlabor STM 310. I can listen to that copy all day long.
No, just an old sony blurry player like bdp370. It plays copied sacd and outputs sacd to hdmi. Akm dac based receiver like denon and you now got true dsd and in multichannel...👍
Wrong. Once you have heard TRUE DSD (no ess sabre dac etc) there is no going back. Night and day different in properly recorded sacd (forget 1st generation sony) looking at analogue Productions and mfsl etc.
I thought THE ZOMBIES SACD was a bit weak and not because it was mono, while DARK SIDE has a so-so CD layer, but the 5.1 mix has several errors. Hope the 12-track Dolby Atmos version is better. NO SECRETS has a 5.1 SA-CD from Japan that repeats the 5.1 mix from the old DVD-Audio U.S. edition. Someone ought to compare the three discs. Excellent video! Look forward to more!!!
I thought zombies sounds good, may I suggest you check you are listening to true dsd and not an ess sabre dac or the like. (Akm is true dsd like ps audio etc)
@@hulksmash6476 There was just something missing from it when I heard it then, but know some people like it. Their whole catalog needs upgraded and reissued, but I heard it on top equipment.
Maybe you should add that to hear these in SACD quality you need a SACD player. A regular, even a very high quality CD player, etc will not get the job done.
Well, that makes the difference between REAL AUDIO-PLEASURE and stereo pleasure.. It is a funny impression.. how can SAME MUSIC SUPPORT can give a little bit MORE pleasure in listening. SONYand PHILPS create magic back in '80s...
Yes it will. Sony bdp370 and others play copied sacd and bitstream dsd to dac on receiver like denon 4700h. True dsd decode in multi channel aswell . Yay 😉
Years ago I found sacd dsd downloads of led zeppelin on DSD up to houses of the Holy and Robert Plant solo on sacd up to pictures at eleven!
The 2003 'The Dark Side of the Moon' hybrid SACD was the only version on the shelves of CD shops here in the UK for years. It was often discounted or in buy-one-get-one-free offers. My copy still has a big pink sticker that says "SALE £8'. I've never been very enthusiastic about the sound though, it's always seemed a little muddy, as if it was tweaked to have extra 'analogue warmth'. The 2011 Analogue Productions 'Wish You Where Here' SACD sounds superb, as do my 2011 LPs of both titles.
2003 one sounding muddy? What? 🤣
That lackluster mix could even be attributed to the commercial failure of SACD. There was a LOT of hype on that one, and it did NOT live up to it.
I wish I can find somewhere SACD Depeche Mode - Violator.
In stereio sound well enough..
This late but let me know if you don't have it. I will send you iso sacd or the dsf files...👍
I do have the Bad Out Of Hell SACD, which is indeed very great in the sound spectrum :-)
Bat?
I have the Carly Simon and Pink Floyd SACDs featured. They're good but in my opinion there are many other SACD releases that blow them out of the water. One of the best, certainly in the top 5 is Nilsson's Nilsson Schmilsson MoFi release. The sound quality is AWESOME!!
Nice job thanks for the video .
Me love spinning the silver disk
Thanks so much for watching. Yes. Love
my SACD’s as well.
I am very disappointed and the Hotel California album by the eagles on Sacd made in Japan he did not have cd text I am mad I wasted money for no reason at all. I bought a re-issue on CD and I had it. I could’ve bought something else than buying a stupid SE CD by the Eagles and I really disappointed they released order a lot of stuff and stupid cardboard. I hate them put them in Jewelcase and put the track listings on all of them Hotel California did I’m gonna try to sell it on eBay. I wish they release the greatest hits while one and two by the Eagles on sacd in jewel case dishoneswhat I have I’m disappointed it does not have the track listings on it but I’m happy it’s in a jewel case it has cd Text I’m sorry this message is so long. I wish they would come out with the very best of the Moody blues on at sacd I already buy the one that plays in all machines I wish they would make sacd dive play in all computers like I said, I’m sorry this message is so long. I am a big Elvis Presley version. I wish they would make all Elvis on sacd and playing on machines I do not like the ones that already play in sacd machines
If you're looking at your Player when playing music you've missed the point of music.
Thanks for the tips, i picked up the zombies and pink floyd so far much apprciated Steve i just subbed you channel should have done it a while ago better late than never right 👍👍
Much appreciated. Thanks for the sub. You will enjoy those SACDs.
I just became a subscriber I’m curious what SACD player you use for listening. Even good dedicated CD have gone overboard on price.
Awesome. Thanks for subbing. I have a few SACD players. But I am currently using a Marantz CD6007 Player. If you don’t own one yet I suggest looking at used ones in the $500 up price range. I think u can even pick up a new Sony SACD player on Amazon for a decent price.
The recent 5.1 DSOTM offering from Acoustic Sounds is a POS. It sounds like early stereo ping pong effect recordings. Absolute best SACDs: Dire Straits 5.1 BIM and stereo self titled album.
Just got Eddie Money debut Analogue Production sacd from Acoustic Sounds and am blown away by the sound quality. I rarely say that.
Glad it worked out. 👍
Hey man, it is 1:16 before your video starts on a 5:12 min video. What gives?
A bunch of promotion is what gives. I noticed the same thing and almost bailed out. Pumping a James Guthrie surround mix of Pink Floyd is misdirected. I have DSOTM, WYWH, and Animals …and they are all uninspiring in surround.
I will look for these Steve and thanks for the recommendations!! I still think about those horrible fire disasters at both UMG in 2008 and Atlantic Records in 1978. I just hope that there are many great pristine and well mastered production copies to work from for future reissue projects and the same applies to the movie industry as well in safe keeping old movie and TV show masters. Big hugs and I hope your new year is going well for you...Friends, Lloyd.
Thanks Lloyd. Grab them if you can find them.
Thanks Steve...Friends, Lloyd.
I'm sure that Pink Floyd sounds amazing!!!
I am sure it does. And after this post the price is sure to rise.
It really does. And for $17. Unreal value.
If its not in 5.1 SACD's are totally pointless
Thanks for the SACD recommendations. What SACD player do you have / recommend?
I just bought my first SACD right before the holidays, of course it was a new copy of the 35th anniversary of Dark Side of the Moon.
What did you think?
@@stevewestman7774I enjoyed it and could tell it's higher quality audio vs my normal CDs. I think I'm going to spend more money than I should on a new Receiver with native DSD as well as Dolby Atmos.
Thanks Steve, I have the 2011 version of Dark Side Of The Moon, which is very satisfying to me. The other mentioned SACD’s I don’t own yet, but I will check on Carly Simon :-)
Its allso a 5.1 version ? How will it sound on a 2 channel setup ?
I wish they would make a recorder sacd
...a what?
Do you have any idea of techonlogy required to record SACD?
Why do you think when first has been introduces to us, the public back then did not succed!? I will tell you why. It was too expensive to them too.
These days will convince A LOT MORE PEOPLE (audiophiles..) the REAL benefit of having the "simplest" but actually ENOGHT complex in process of reproduction of music from physical support (plastic support.. using laser to read.. too 5, actually 6 speakers! completely separate channeld in terms of separation...) and this is just the start of enjoyment in listening being surrounded...
I bought the MOFI Sacd of Eagles on the Border ,MOFI is getting a bad name for the vinyl DSD Debacle but they still know how to make Superior CDs along with Analogue Productions like Eddie Money 1st album and Dave Brubeck Time Out... I don't put them in any car stereo either ,the pull and eject mechanism scratches the hell out of it ,,,,make copies of your best CDs for the car..I keep them in protective plastic also to keep the cases from getting marred ..The things are like gold that holds value..
Truth!
The dsd sounded great on there vinyl for the last 5 years though 😂...
@@hulksmash6476 It certainly is great on SACD ....Did you see Dave's last vid on Eagles MOFI album ?
@VIDSTORAGE no I missed it but I do have all the sacds plus the old warner (gold obi) except for long road. If you like it desperado sounded excellent, sonics are superb. 😉
@@hulksmash6476
Desperado is great I have the 70s vinyl...I never had a SACD standard ,only the hybrids but the old Yamaha dvd player I have will play it . I need to get one for a try..I wonder if this older DVD player I have from 2007 is reading the CD code or the SACD Layer code but it sounds great anyways
Love SACDs (and regular CDs, too)!
Sacd rocks best sound you can get
Yes. They do sound really good. And for the price can’t beat them.
Blu-ray Audio is better but not as many titles. Will work on any Blu-ray player is a bonus too. The Bob Marley Legend sounds incredible. SACD second. DVD Audio should never have been released. Two formats just hurts both of them.
@@stevewestman7774maybe it's because I have to import them from USA, Hong Kong or China but they're expensive for me in the UK. £50-100. Some are £20-30 so more reasonable. It's a shame there's next to no new releases now.
I’m buying more and more SACD’s these days…. My Yamaha CD-S2100 easily hangs with my Rega P6
Nice. SACD’s are a very affordable amazing sounding alternative to vinyl if you want to save a bit of dough.
We are in competion! 😜
First you have to decide whether you like the music itself. Only then can you decide whether to spend the money on the disc.
Exactly.
Still no Beatles on SACD.
Know how you feel 😢. Still we got the stones...
Analog Productions is not a name I'd trust in an all-digital review of supposed audiophile quality music, but hey, who knows...
There's a guy in a different video comparing Dark Side of the Moon releases' sound including what he called the SA-CD version. No, he was playing the regular CD layer. The regular CD layer is old mix we know and love. But the real SA-CD 5.1 version is special. I have it. It might be 10 years since I've played it. And I couldn't tell you if my launch PS3 that *does* play SA-CDs will still work.
(I need to find out. excuse me...)
Steve, that Zombies Greatest Hits SACD is mostly stereo. Tracks 19 and 20 are mono.
Yes. Thank you. I literally realized my error the minute the vid was posted. I put a correction in the the description of the video. My bad. Hope you enjoyed the vid.
Beware recommendations for "best SACD" that lead with a mono album, and follow with the lackluster 5.1 mix of Dark Side of the Moon (very dumb that they didn't hire Alan Parsons do it, when he did the original quad).
A couple of truly great, still in-print SACDs:
Diana Krall, The Look of Love
Eagles: Hotel California
A SACD truly worth getting, even if a bit pricey*: Billy Joel, The Stranger (original multichannel edition: NOT the later 2 channel from Mobile Fidelity, which was terrible).
Since in the video he thinks $40--50 is "cheap" for a single album, I think we can stretch that to $60 or so. 😅
I've recently bought a couple of newer (re)releases for anywhere inbetween $20 to $30. Two discs by Isao Tomita (Planets and Pictures at an exhibition) plus the classic Fleetwood Mac - Rumours and Keith Jarrett - The Köln Concert.
And if you want to go really cheap there's Jamie Cullum's Twentysomething and Nick Drake's A Treasury. Those can be had for as little as $5.
I do wish there was some modern jazz or electronica available. Most of the releases seem to be Rock for 40 year old dads, ancient Jazz or Classical music. And I'm way too young for most of those. :P
With SACD, are we talking DSD quality? Apparently that is 99.999999% as good as hearing the master tape in the studio (if mastered well). Check out PS Audio's Paul on his Octave Records and DSD Studios channel.
Thanks. Will check that out.
Some SACDs are recorded in DSD, some are from PCM masters and others are based on analogue recordings. Except for some early releases, SACDs are from audiophile labels and they usually have all the technical information in the booklet.
Whether an SACD player is really DSD is another matter. Some high end machines and early Sonys use pure DSD DACs, other players will convert the music to PCM at some point, most modern players use some kind of Delta-Sigma conversion. I don't think it's worth getting hung up about it, the important question to me is 'do they sound better than CDs?', the answer is yes (most of the time).
@@Grrrr3FKAGrrrrGrrrrGrrrrmost DACS don't support DSD. So conversion to PCM is essential. All the Sony Blu-ray or 4K Blu-ray players with SACD support can bitstream DSD or convert to PCM and output. It's still bit perfect so I wouldn't get hung up on it like you say.
All SACDs store the music in DSD. PS Audio Paul is a big DSD fan, have watched a few of good UA-cam videos.
@@bradavon Not sure what setup you have but every Yamaha Aventage receiver's built in DAC made in last 13 years or more all support DSD.
As for 2003 PF SACD, it's technically perfect, but kind of lifeless. A dynamics has gone completely. I cannot agree it's the best TDSOTM release I've heard. "The Great Gig In The Sky" - she sing like they pay 5 pounds per hour to her. I have a rip from a copy of a copy of... 15 ips made on Mechlabor STM 310. I can listen to that copy all day long.
Much appreciated. 👍
Zombies 40.00 plus now on ebay. I guess the word is out.
DSOTM scads are mind lowing on a good system
I've been acquiring some and now all I need is an SACD player.
Nearly any used Oppo blu-ray player makes a great SACD player.
Many Sony bluray players play sacds, 5.1 via HDMI.
@@woeizme Thank you for that advice. I appreciate it.
No, just an old sony blurry player like bdp370. It plays copied sacd and outputs sacd to hdmi. Akm dac based receiver like denon and you now got true dsd and in multichannel...👍
CD's are technically and potentially the best sounding medium, with the exception of live music and tape recordings.
I'm a big fan of both the cd and vinyl. I like the cd for the convenience and the cost.
@@stevewestman7774 For me it's the opposite.
Wrong. Once you have heard TRUE DSD (no ess sabre dac etc) there is no going back. Night and day different in properly recorded sacd (forget 1st generation sony) looking at analogue Productions and mfsl etc.
I thought THE ZOMBIES SACD was a bit weak and not because it was mono, while DARK SIDE has a so-so CD layer, but the 5.1 mix has several errors. Hope the 12-track Dolby Atmos version is better. NO SECRETS has a 5.1 SA-CD from Japan that repeats the 5.1 mix from the old DVD-Audio U.S. edition. Someone ought to compare the three discs. Excellent video! Look forward to more!!!
I thought zombies sounds good, may I suggest you check you are listening to true dsd and not an ess sabre dac or the like. (Akm is true dsd like ps audio etc)
@@hulksmash6476 There was just something missing from it when I heard it then, but know some people like it. Their whole catalog needs upgraded and reissued, but I heard it on top equipment.
Maybe you should add that to hear these in SACD quality you need a SACD player. A regular, even a very high quality CD player, etc will not get the job done.
Well, that makes the difference between REAL AUDIO-PLEASURE and stereo pleasure..
It is a funny impression.. how can SAME MUSIC SUPPORT can give a little bit MORE pleasure in listening.
SONYand PHILPS create magic back in '80s...
Yes it will. Sony bdp370 and others play copied sacd and bitstream dsd to dac on receiver like denon 4700h. True dsd decode in multi channel aswell . Yay 😉
Thank you for the video about SACD.
I love CD too :^)
My pleasure.
Hoffman has a great glamour shot!
Dark Side is good
Yes it is.
Thanks. Good stuff
Hey, Mike Oldfield - Tubullar Bells hybrid CD comes from heaven..