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6.5 Grendel - 95gr Lehigh Defense Controlled Chaos
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- Опубліковано 1 лип 2017
- Testing the 95gr Lehigh Defense Controlled Chaos in 6.5 Grendel. The tests powders are Accurate 2520 and IMR 8208-XBR.
This video was made more difficult because the gun is currently outfitted with my ATN X-Sight HD II. It is a great scope, but not really suited to this type of precision work.
Given this journey with 6.5 Grendel, would you recommend to someone to build out a 6.5 Grendel? If so, what manufacturer/company would you suggest for (1) Barrel (2) Bolt ? What "finicky" parts of the process did you discover in terms of fixing reliability? Thank you!
Yes, you should definitely build a Grendel! The only choice I regret is barrel length, especially since I run a silencer all the time. The gun is very heavy and not too practical, but it really shoots well! I plan to switch to a 16-18" barrel sometime soon.
For bolts, I have read really good things about the Maxim and the JP.
www.maximfirearms.com/online-store/complete-6-5-grendel-bolt/
jprifles.com/1.4.7_Bolt.php
The JP is super expensive, but if you're going all out I think it's the best.
A lot of barrels come with a bolt included, but if you want to upgrade it or have a spare ready, a Maxim would be a good choice.
A lot more companies have jumped into the barrel game since I built mine. I was recently looking around at 223 barrels and was really surprised by all of the new 6.5 Grendel sections popping up.
If I was buying today these three would be at the top of my list:
ballisticadvantage.com/ar-parts/ar-barrels/65grendel
www.odinworks.com/6_5_Grendel_s/1875.htm
ar15performance.com/inc/sdetail/38016/41932
Good luck!
ddyoder barrel and bolt is easy, go to www.ar15performance.com/6_5_grendel___cats and get their 18" or 20" 6.5Grendel barrel and order their matching 750XD Grendel bolt at the same time, best barrel/bolt combo made to date for the round. As for functioning, the biggest issue with that is the magazines. I've used the E-Lander mags from Alexander Arms without issue, some folks have had good results with the ASC mags and also the ones from C-Products, just make sure they are for 6.5Grendel, some folks have had the ASC mags for 7.62x39 work also.
Otherwise, it builds just like any 223/556 AR15
ddyoder Check out obsidian website, they sell satern barrels for less than $300 with a matching headspaced bolt. Go with a short 16-18" barrel. Fuck the extra length and weight for mild velocity gain. It's an intermediate cartridge. Guys get so caught up in trying to make it into a .308 or a 6.5 creedmoore they end up spending way too much money on stuff that turns their rifle into a ridiculously long heavy monster then they're disappointed that their gun still doesn't live up to a .308 or 6.5 Creed so they talk shit about the caliber and make everyone overlook what is probably one of the best ->INTERMEDIATE
ddyoder best thing is plinking or training is cheap because wolf sells 6.5 for 23-26 cents a round
Steven your opinion is a bit much. The 6.5 Grendel is what this video is about, nothing else. BTW some people want the long barrel for the velocity to hunt from a tree stand or blind and want the extra velocity for longer shots with flatter trajectory and a better point blank zero. Your opinion gets a D- from me and I didn't need to use any profanities to make a point. BTW you can get a complete upper for $350 or less. People go to this cartridge because of the AR-15 platform and lower recoil also it is a very accurate cartridge. The shorter barrels are definitely a better way to go with those who go suppressed. BTW if you are shooting cheap steel cased Wolf Ammo you shouldn't really be giving any opinions. This cartridge is really for a person who hand loads the availability of ammo at stores is negative. Components are reasonable for the reloader.
Bad data is every bit at valuable as good data, and this isn't too bad at all. Love the Grendel videos.
Thanks for the video! Grendel info is greatly appreciated. Loved the scope view!
Thanks for making this one. I want more 6.5 Grendel videos also. I bought a box of those Lehigh bullets but haven't loaded them yet. This is a great video for me just to see what you got with them and compare my results with. I have a few pounds of the 8208 XBR and I liked seeing good results with the Standard Deviation numbers. I didn't really care about the ATN scope footage since it was so grainy but something clearer and that gives you a good "aim small, miss small" aiming point would be good.
Nice job on the 6.5 Grendel. I have numerous in the AR-15 configuration. The Grendel is my midrange competition gun and I absolutely love it. IMR 8208 is the best powder in all of the bullet weights I've tried. You make very good videos. I can pretty much assure you that if you took that chronograph off the end of the barrel your groups would tighten & be more consistent. Every time you shoot that chronograph attachment moves just enough to change the barrel harmonics. Also check to make sure anything else that is attached to the barrel is tight.
Looking forward to more videos....
Been watching and waiting damn you now I have to build again plus reload. Been awhile. Thanks for the great videos and info Sir.
I vote for scope-cam view. Thought it was cool. Thx, JRB!!
Love the Grendel videos. Thank you.
I like the scope cam. Seeing you use the ATN is making me rethink whether or not I want to go down that rabbit hole though.
JLB, I liked the scope cam other than recoil pulling camera off after shot breaks. I think it would work better in a Caldwell lead sled. I've been looking at building a 6.5 Grendel for my son. Great video as always.
Yes on the scope cam...yes more 6.5 grendel videos please.
Thank you for the video.
Scope camera not really necessary for these videos.
Love the Grendel videos
Johnny I certainly enjoy all the work you put into doing your videos and the research you do along with it. I certainly am a bit confused though on how much you use the chronograph attached to the barrel. Sometimes you do and sometimes you don't. I know a lot of experts only use those to check velocities in a ladder test for standard deviations and when they shoot groups remove the device because it changes the harmonics on the barrel. Even the suppressor does that, but if you shoot with a compressor all the time that is what you want to load for. I just can't see the consistency unless you yourself have tested is with and without on the same loads and know differently. I have considered buying one of those chronographs that mount to the barrel but have hesitated to do so because of what the experts say about only using them for the ladder test. Have you shot both ways to see if it has any effect on the group sizes as others claim it does? If not maybe sometime you can check it out and it could be a game changer for your later videos, or not. Anyhow I do enjoy your videos and the work you do in putting them together.
I have the same sight on my AR in 300 blackout. I really like it a lot, and the picture, video, and GPS options made it impossible to pass up.
I don’t care about the scope cam, I would rather see the best results you can achieve. Good video of the target.
I have one of the old Pulsar 550 night vision scopes, it's a lot like yours except in black and white. You can video with it and all. That being said it's setting on my nightstand not being used because it's a pain in the buttocks. I'm not a huge fan of the scope cam. I have seen you shoot sub MOA groups, so I have confidence in your shooting abilities. Stick with the target cam and giving us the velocity and SD. Great job on your videos!
I'd be interested to see what the 107 grain Tipped Match King can do if you're up for another Grendel video. Great videos with great information bro, saves me a lot of time and headache to see someone else's results first. Also, I haven't had very good luck with E-Lander Grendel mags. Any suggestions as far as mags go? It seems to be the biggest downfall of this cartridge so far.
.5gr jumps in the small grendle case can jump right over the accuracy nodes. I would do some loads at 29.8, 30 and 30.2
I liked the scope cam.
Subscribed. Great video. I'm very interested in the 6.5 Grendel
It's kinda pretty awesome! More and more companies are jumping in every day, it seems, so I think it's here to stay!
Johnny's Reloading Bench do you think the military would benefit from replacing the 556 with the 6.5 Grendel?
Johnny's Reloading Bench and on a separate note I cant find a link to your patreon
I don't think we'll see the military adopt it. At least not any time soon. The bolt is a weak spot and there's no sense in denying it. I had problems with extraction and had to modify mine (see my earlier vids) and early on there were problems with breakage. That would be my biggest tip on getting into 6.5 Grendel...do your homework and buy a nice bolt. Maxim bolts have a good reputation, JP are awesome but very expensive, and several other good ones have come out since I was last shopping for them.
Beyond that, there are a million political and logistical reasons why I don't think we'll see the military drop 5.56 anytime soon.
The patreon thing is still pretty new so only the more recent videos have links. I should probably take the time to go back in add it. Here you go: www.patreon.com/reloading
@@JohnnysReloadingBench the extractor issue is a real and serious problem. Most bolts sold for 6.5 Grendel have a 556 extractor. It gave me serious headaches trying to figure it out. Finally, I bought the extractor from Alexander Arms. Totally solved all the problems. 6.5 Grendel is awesome.
JRB, like the use/proof of equipment but. I believe you need a good scope for all your accuracy testing. Different than any scope for hunting. Also I believe you may want to check timing on that rifle/ or brisson speed of the powders used. A lot of gas out the ejection port, may also be the can? Don't know. Also mention your twist rate for barrels used. I shoot lr in 6.5 and found 1-8 is right for the 142's Used, 30 inch tube. Check and mention what speed the bullet manufactures recommend for a particular bullet, they have done the homework for us. All in all a good presentation. If you want to try recording shots, get a range can camera, it will blue tooth back to where you are or your device for recording. I am stepping into the 6.5 for my ar's and will plan on 120gr smk max, 24 inch is fine and will be design built purposely for across the coarse matches. Look forward to seeing more in the future. God Bless.
It seems to me that you could get the Grendel close to 243 performance with a 100 Nosler partition. I'd love to see you try that!
Copper/ brass solids create higher chamber pressures and thus higher velocities than standard jacketed bullets of the same weight. Most times their larger bearing surface is to blame, but also think about the material being used. Solid projectile will take more energy to swage/ obturate to the rifling in the bore and thus create more velocity from the higher pressures....
Or something like that
Steve Danny 100% spot on, the suppressor adds a little velocity to the equation as well but I think the bullet length decreasing case capacity as well as the solid bullet and longer bearing surface had the largest impact on velocity/pressure gains. Humidity, air temp, and barometric pressure are also factors but likely not as significant.
Video looks great ty. Please continue the Grendel progression. Maybe a howa mini? Maybe test these and the hornady vmax for comparison? Loads for varmints and pigs out of the same gun with the same scope settings?
awesome video makes me want to get a 6.5 sweet Grendel I don't care for that scope though I can see where to begin hunting maybe not the weight
would be good for hunting
It’s been more than six months have you made the next video with this bullet and your vortex? Have I missed it? How about a video with the 107gr Sierra tipped match king??? I’d love to see the velocities and grouping capabilities with the 107 match bullet.. I guess that bullet weight would be more suitable with a 1:9 twist rifle? But if you could get 2750ft-2800ft per second imagine the long range capabilities with that bullet from the Grendel
I can do without the scope cam. 8208XBR shoots pretty good in my 16" barrel, but W748 really shines. With 123 grain Amax, it will put five shots in basically the same hole at 100 yards. Your longer barrel would do at least as well, I'd think. I really like the format of the split screen showing the target and the rifle.
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I'm jealous of that ATN optic. I don't need one, but I kinda sorta want one.
Once the newness wears off you're left with a very heavy scope with a pretty crappy camera. I mainly bought it to film hunts (both day and night). It's pretty cool but I have a feeling the next generation will be a big improvement.
@@JohnnysReloadingBench I have a 4k 5-20 now that is not a lot better as far as image quality during the day. It really shines at night though with a good IR illuminator. PS love these grendel videos. I'm waiting on a factory built larue tactical that'll be my dedicated coyote setup.
i like the cam. view. Just needs to be clearer. Keep the vids coming!
Johnny's Reloading Bench what are you thoughts on Winchester 748 Smokeless Ball Powder for the 6.5 Grendel?
Scope cam makes no difference to me. I am VERY interested in further load development for these bullets as I see them as approaching 243 ballistics! I'm also interested in the game taking capability of these bullets! Can wait for the next video!
Hey Johnny? Just got a Howa 6.5 Grendel mini action. 22” barrel 1:8 twist. Plan on hunting whitetail with it Under 150 yards. I was thinking about 123 grain rounds? What powders and primers and any other advice do you have. Thanks!
What if you broke down your grains between the 30 and 30.5 grains to see if you can hone your SD better? Could your primer change have anything to do with your extra velocity? I would definitely like to see what you can do with it when your have your precision optic on there. I'm just asking, I reloaded with my dad growing up and would love the time to do it myself. Thanks for the vids.
Have you seen the 10 shot method the 6.5 guys had where you space them all like .4 and then look for a flat spot in the speed? I am going to try it w/ my new 6.5 creedmoor and .270.
Saves a LOT of components if it works and it's not reliant on me not pulling the shot!!!!
Interesting that you exceeded Hodgdon's velocity because I did also with a 20" barrel with 8208XBR
Seems like the scope/camera is great in concept, but not quite there yet in execution, especially considering the extra weight.
Thanks again. I personally like the vids wo scope cam. The camera setup on your target is perfect Imo. AR Comp at 27.5gr with 123gr set is still my most accurate load. 18" barrel (same Saturn as you have). Just wish it flew a bit faster. Have you tried any 120gr Barnes Hunting bullets? I have not been able to find min/max charge data on those.
Scott Milam Barnes has load data for 6.5 Grendel on their website. I would recommend you look at the 100gr TTSX or 100gr Tac-TX, they are the same bullet with different packaging. The 120gr solid copper bullets just take up too much Cade capacity to run the speeds we want in Grendel.
I have found that 30.0gr of 8208 is the perfect load in my 20” Krieger barreled 6.5G AR15, and also my factory Ruger American Predator, giving me right at 2850fps with the 100gr bullet.
Please work up to that load, it is safe in my guns, but might be too hot in others.
Edit: My loads are set to an overall length of 2.295” and they fit and feed perfect in my ASC made mags, but not in C-Products mags!!
95s shoot well out of my 20in Odin works bbl, sub moa. FYI Hornady is shipping there 95gr V max load in a week or so.
Do you ever use h322? I got a .80 inch group with 26.5 grains shooting 123 grain Hornady sst seated to 2.23. Eager to know if it’s possible to tighten the group more?
nothing wrong with the scope i have the same one on my 50 beowulf & shoot 1moa no problem ! get a butler creek flip cover for your sun shade put a 5/16 hole in the center & it will help tremendously with your focus !
scope view was ok but if it hurts the accuracy kind of deff. the point
scope cam was cool
Did you ever test these bullets again with your vortex? Also do you have any idea how the bear creek armaments Complete Grendel uppers perform?
I had to laugh when you blamed the UA-cam comment just putting them on blast! The scope cam is cool I think with your vortex the quality will be better and make a slightly better video. Check out Side Shot scope cam. It's a new company but damn they look sweet!
I put in an order for a Side Shot yesterday. Who knows when I'll actually get it. Company seems sketchy to me but hopefully it works out.
theyre just a very new company and i think they are probably getting a business system figured out but ive talked with them through instagram and I would bet you will get it and it will be awesome!
We included pressure-tested data for that bullet in the 2nd Printing of Volume II of the 6.5 Grendel Handbooks. We tested CFE223, H335, and TAC. CFE223 was the fastest at 2790 fps from an 18" barrel, not exceeding 50ksipeak chamber pressure.
H335 hit 2760fps, and TAC produced 2745fps at MAP. I loaded up a large batch recently for hog testing.
I like this video
My home built Grendel upper w/ 18" barrel keeps denting my brass. It's always right on and below the shoulder. I've been shooting steal and it doesn't dent the steal wolf lacquered cases. I havn't shot brass in a while, so I don't know if its running smoother or not. I just know my reliability is almost perfect now (it was much worse before).
Brass dents easier than steel. Steel cases are not forgiving a stuck case can break an extractor. I don't shoot that stuff in any of my guns. I wish you folks luck that shoot it. BTW most people that shoot it just leave it lay at the range making for a mess for others to pick up. Maybe that's the bigger reason they shoot the stuff anyway. What AR does not put a ding in a case when ejected? All of mine do in all the calibers I shoot.
Scope cam is a yes from me.
when do you think you could run these again with a different scope?
yes to the scope.
I say yes to the scope cam, I found myself saying at the time of the shot where I thought the shot would land at the time the reticule would move at the trigger release, but I understand all the time would be to much for some, but to be honest with you if you review your footage you will understand what I'm trying to say, it will help you also, just my two cents. the reticule on the night scope was a nightmare for grouping.
I am thinking that I should have switched the reticle color to green. The scope has several recicles and colors to choose from. Out on the range I was pretty sure my hold was terrible. Once I started editing the footage and watching, it was even worse than I thought! I would love to see the same on my regular scopes (with a much clearer scope camera as well). I think it would be educational!
I will probably buy a nice setup to film through the scope, but only use it occasionally on videos. I'm sure we can find a balance where it's not too annoying.
I think it would be a bonus for the occasional view through the scope, especially for involuntary body movements that explain shots that should not have behaved the way they connected to the target, ect you will pick up movement that effects your shot, bonus, can I ask you if you have a stock rest as well as the stock into your shoulder? the reason I ask when viewing your vid I was noticing the effect of your heartbeat, perhaps I'm wrong I will have to view again, enjoy your vids a big thumbs up.
Been a year, any revisions to the controlled chaos?
I watched 2 or 3 videos..(before) the hog hunt, and one after it. I am saving to buy my Grendel upper... I watched the reviews back in the "loading area"; I cant determine as of yet what the best powder/bullet/weight of bullet would best suit for me to start with. I am looking at an 18" upper; as suggested by my gunsmithing buddy. I know my speeds wont be as high because of your barrel length, I'm not trying to "match" shoot, or even (hog hunt) just something to give me "under" 1inch groups up to 2" groups. The scope will be some variation of the VORTEX brand. Thanks for any suggestions...
You'll be good with that 18" barrel. 123gr bullets are the standard. Start out with the Hornady ELD or the Sierra Match King in that weight and you will be in good shape.
For your first powder, start with something that has a decent amount of load data available. Look at the Hodgdon and Western Powders websites. The Hornady manual also has a lot of 6.5 Grendel data. H335, 8208XBR, Accurate 2520, Benchmark, Ramshot TAC, etc. There are a lot of powders to choose from.
Thank You for responding so quick... I have a Hornady manual, Sierra manual, and and Lyman manual, they show some different varities on their powders for both the 123 grain & 129. However they all agree on the 8208-H335. I use the H335 on my 556 now. So it will take me time to see what "my 6.5grendel" likes. As I watched your video, I could clearly see your build didnt like a certain powder or bullet. I did take in account your length of barrel as well. BUT...thank you for responding again...and keep making the "Grendel" vids as you see fit. I will be "new" to this caliber... but understand the steps to find what "the gun" likes!!
were you using the aperture cap on the sunshield? I have seen other atn videos where it seems to sharpen it up a lot.
Yes, this was using the aperture cap. There may be some other quality settings that I've missed. Not sure.
Meh! I like your videos, period. If I had a preference, I say just the target cam works fine.
What would be the velocity difference between your 18” barrel and the 24”? Love the videos.
Jwh Merica in my guns it’s about 15-20fps per inch of barrel. So you would in theory gain 80-120fps with a 24” barrel versus the 18”.
Didn't care for the scope-cam myself; but I do like watching the target I acts as the groups are fired. Just my two cents, but precision guns should carry precision optics
What brand and model is your bipod?
The scope view was cool however that scope did not seem to fit that application very well. I did like seeing what you were seeing. All in all I thought it was a pretty cool video. I do not own a Grendel however I would like you to start shooting some more 30 - 06 videos. Thompson Center compass? Come on :-)
scope cam was cool. kind of fuzzy though
Also with a xsight 2 and 18 inch barrel
Nice attempt, but got to say not very impressed with the digital zoom of the ATN scope, was that full 20X zoom you were using? Based on how blurry and difficult it was to see the crosshairs esp the aiming dot (looked like there was a dot in the center but it just disappeared to us) and how blurry at full zoom I'd say no need, made the vid busy and didn't show much...
I do look forward to the redo of these as they should shoot great....
I just got my Grendel and I’m thinking of reloading. How much money am I spending for reloading equipment?
You can get Forster die set full length die and a competition seating die for under $100, Lee makes the cheapest presses on the market. You are best to purchase a starter set that comes with all the basic tools you need to get started. If you wanted to buy a press and the other things one at a time it would cost a lot more. You should be able to get into reloading with the dies for under $300 if you shop wisely online.
I don't mean to troll, even if that's the appearance, but I can't distinguish your trigger pull from your trigger release... many of the results of which you can consistently see in the scope cam and the groups. I see a match trigger, but it's worthless without consistent application of the fundamentals. Trigger control is the only thing you can easily see deficiencies in, not so much breathing or anticipating the shot but with the trigger control I have to wonder what all was going on. Despite this the groups were actually pretty good considering. Respect to you as a human, a shooter, a reloaded, and a brave soul putting yourself out there for UA-cam to criticize. As a former NCO who trained marksmanship to soldiers, I've got to say you just can't blame the gear or ammo until you make yourself consistent.
I know you need to want to use Magnum primers so no matter what the weather is that goes off
Richard Martin I’ve used nothing but standard small rifle primers in my Grendel loads (either GM205M or Rem7-1/2) and have used them down to zero degrees Fahrenheit with zero issues on ignition.
The powder charges used and the powder speeds needed for the 6.5G are not hard to ignite like the slower magnum type powders, standard primers do just fine.
The scope cam actually was able to show you a few minor flaws in your shooting form. Study the direction and distance the rifle jumped.
Scope cam is cool but i like the target cam better
i say use imr 8208 powder different scope just saying
That's pretty strange how you were talking about viewing your scope through some kind of contraption. I was checking out this EagleEye GS 90-100, made by Torrey Pines it's for GoPro to mount on your scope, here is the website link, I Love to get it but it's kind of pricey. tplogic.com/hero/hero-gunscope/
You can fix that bench with a little bit of Bondo.
Harrison McCullough so is that little patchy spot bothering you too is just bugging the heck out of me I'm afraid Johnny's going to get a splinter
Hell Ya. He will be smashing 22 shells next. Johnny needs someone watching over him some times. i volunteer my wife.
Harrison McCullough yeah you never know what he's going to do next
I agree with your statement re: the ATN. I would use the ATN as my minimum acceptable quality for your purpose. A little better quality would be very nice; I would say you'd have a very nice set up for your loading/load development videos. I'd rather see the scope cam than a profile cam of rifle/shooter, unless you are testing muzzle breaks. I'm recent sub and I've enjoyed what I've seen so far. I'd love to see some 6.8 SPC videos.
I am surprised the group's are that good, with that scope.
I say no scope camera. This one was pretty shaky and didn't really add much.
Use the atn and 120gr. smk's....and everything will be ok.
Not a fan of the ATN viewers. I wont call it a scope because it's camera with a grainy viewer.
On normal scopes it would be nice, but this atn thing - leave it for night hunting vids.
what do you recommend for a decent hunting scope.. say sub $250
I am happy with my Vortex scopes, so I would probably look at their Diamondback scopes in that price range. Here's a link to a 3-9x40, but you might need a different power depending on your hunting scenario. amzn.to/2sBZH0E
SWFA the 10x and the 6x are 300$, close to the price range you listed and also excellent quality as well
Shaun Tucker if you can squeeze out 300 SWFA is the way to go. I have two and they're great
SWFA (6x or 10x fixed powers) OR Primary Arms 1-6x Gen3 with ACSS reticle (it's $289 but close to your $250 target)
Swift Sport Optics make good
Optics for the price point. I've had good service from Nikon Monarchs but they are a good bit higher than Swift.
SCOPE CAM SOUNDS GOOD. WE CAN WATCH HOW STEADY THE SHOT IS.
I didn't like the scope cam. I found it distracting, too much going on the same screen.
The scope footage was really crappy. Just scrap it.
For the loads: If I were you I would develop a load with the 8208XBR with .2 increments from 29.2 upwards, maybe up to 30.2. Don't hunt for the 3000fps, it's not necessary for anything.
Future scope cam footage would be done with a much clearer setup. The ATN just isn't up to the job.
crappy scope!!!!!
I'm a little ADD so take this for what it is. Scope cam make the video a little too busy for me. I'm not saying its not cool, just a little too much for my brain to deal with.
That's my fear. It would be cool for a video or two and then get annoying. There's only so much you can pay attention to at any given time! It does make the screen very busy.
Didn’t like scope view.
Back to your normal scope thank you so much
That scope caused the spread. I have the same scope and I have the same problem.
I truly like the video, I'm Interested in reloading, really like the Grendel 6.5
i absolutely love your vids. I am a 6.5 Grendel nutt. I have learned so much from you. I know this may seem odd and of the beaten path for you, but if you still have 6.5 Grenel uppers in different lengths, a velocity comparason vid would really change things up. Perhaps with 90-123 grain loads for each. thanks
I appreciate the video. Just getting started with the Grendel, keep up the great work
I have been fire forming 6.5 Grendel brass out of 7.62x 39 brass and I am using 140 grain Full metal jacket, boat, tail bullets over
iPhone error please disregard
I bought a 6.5 Grendel with 20 inch barrel. I’m still in the process of fire forming Brass because the lack there of. I plan on using this for hunting with 129 grain Softpoint boat tail Bullets on top of A2520 powder. Thanks for your videos, showing the way for a good reloads👍
Accurate 2520 for 308 is amazing I’m getting 2965fps with 150 grain bullet out of a 18 in barrel
Very interesting video! Lehigh Defense controlled chaos is a great hunting choice. I was impressed with the speed that you managed to achieve with it. That ATN scope is not the greatest for precision shooting, but I suppose it’s better for hunting, and it was interesting to see what you were seeing. Looking forward to the follow up video!
Still waiting on a follow up video. I’d like to see this same shootout as well as a. 123eldm with 2520
You need to try the 90 grn Speer TNT with 8208 XBR. Very economical bullet, shoots very well with that powder, and has explosive terminal ballistics. It may be a varmint bullet but it has put many, many hogs on the ground in a hurry.
So which is the better choice?
6.5 Grendel or 6mm ARC?
That depends on what you're looking to use it for.
Crazy days when varget is easier to find than 8208. I kind of wish that hodg didn’t buy up all the powder companies. I feel like there would be more available if they didn’t. Of course this video is four years old at the time of this comment. Average price of varget is like 60 a pound. Primers are 10 cents a piece. Plus hazmat and shipping on that. Which is like 20-40 bones depending on store. Anyways. Thanks jrb.
It's the scope and you sir. The scope made you shake tying to hard . Use a regular scope better results sir