2015 Audi Allroad vs Infiniti QX60 Mashup Snowy AWD Review in TFL4K
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- Опубліковано 4 січ 2015
- ( www.TFLcar.com ) The 2015 Audi Allroad and the 2015 Infiniti QX60 don't really compete. The Allroad is a traditional station wagon while the QX60 is a 3 row crossover. But which one of these all-wheel-drive vehicles is best in the snow? In another real world review we put both of these cars to the test in some freshly fallen Colorado powder.
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Real is Audi A6 Allroad with 3.0 TSI 333Hp or 3.0 BiTdi 320 HP, but in north America there is only A4 Allroad.
All-wheel-drive test without proper winter tires. All season tires are just crappy all year long.
I always have all season tire never had snow tires and never got stuck
I love these snowy reviews, great job as always TFL!
Love the front end of the allroad
Why do you guys always test in winter conditions without the proper tyres?
mlps93 because there in Colorado and it could be 75 and sunny when they get the cars and could snow 3 feet in an hour also they test the cars as you would get them from the dealership
5:30 Surprise surprise, the Audi is handicapped by useless "all-season" tires...
Also whe you say Audi allroad you mainly mean A6 3l dieasel not A4...
My next daily driver will definitely be an Audi station wagon. I am leaning towards the allroad. The used market is good for allroads here in New Zealand.
I don't need one I just want one. I love the way Audis look. They are just beautiful luxurious cars.
Roman, I think you underestimate how proactive the modern Haldex systems are. Even 10 years ago in my 2006 Mazdaspeed6, if you attached a volt meter to the electrical line to the control solenoid that activated the AWD, you'd find that the power was constantly varied based on driver inputs. Mild inputs produced mild torque engagement to the rear wheels. Maniacal inputs produced full 50/50 torque engagement even before there was front wheel slip. Mash the gas and you got full AWD activation whether the front wheels spun or not. Same deal if you threw it into corner at higher speeds than you should have. There were only two scenarios in which there was no power sent to the rear wheels: 1) when the car was in reverse, and 2) when the e-brake was engaged. Even just cruising on the freeway you were getting roughly 25% torque to the rear so the system was primed to send more in a hurry if needed.
It's no lie that I'd prefer a Torsen system to a Haldex system, or even a simple mechanical-viscous 50/50 system like the old-school Subaru AWD system still found on their stick-shift WRX.... but if Haldex is good enough for Volvo, Volkswagen, Audi, Porsche, Lamborghini, and Bugatti, it's good enough for me.
I have my qx60 for 3 years now and we never had snow ....... well I'm glad i came across this video cause February 1 2021 drop almost 3 feet of snow on us (new jersey) and man my qx60 did its thing in the snow and as Nathan said I got sideways and some donuts in the snow 😅
I'm not sure if I have missed anything, But i miss the tests where you guys took vehicles up the track passed the gun range, Those videos really got me hooked on TFLCar.
Not keen on the race track stuff.But the reviews from press release etc are great.
Plus thumbs up for 4K.
Cheers Lads.
I think the qx60 should be called the qx70 and the qx70 should be called the qx60. the infiniti qx60 is bigger than the qx70.
Not on engine and power department though. The QX60 runs on CVT with 285HP on the new 2017 models. The QX70 always carries the more powerful VQ direct injection engine with 325HP. This is the same engine that powers Infiniti's powerful coupe and sedans including the Nissan 370Z.
The infiniti may be a little pricey but it's gonna be a lot more reliable than it's German counterparts
No fuckn way that Nissan/Mercedes brand is more reliable than AUDI. Audi is top reliable car.
I know someone who has the Infiniti featured in this video and apparently this vehicle has two catalytic converters and one went bad and they replaced it and then shortly after she started having troubles again and it turns out the first bad converter damaged the second one so they replaced the second one. They don't even have that many miles on it, now they may have just gotten a lemon but that was their experience with it.
TheEryk03 proof? nah
TheCobruhAlienat0r i don't really care about "well i know someone who had this car and...." story because there usually just lying also shit happens i read a story about a dude who had only 800 miles on C6 Zo6 and the engine died that doesn't mean shit corvettes are still very reliable
Blake Brink
Well its no different than you claiming that you've owned Infinti's and all of the german luxury brands.
One of the best auto review shows..
Hey Roman and Nathan, great video! I was wondering if y'all could do a video on the Grand Cherokee in the snow, or off-road, but with the Quadra-Trac 1 4WD and maybe compare it to the other 4WD systems the GC can offer. I have a GC Altitude Edition, but it has Quadra-Trac 1, but going to college in Alabama, we don't get a lot of snow lol. Thanks! Just a suggestion
cutting power has nothing to do with CVT. Outback has CVT and it would rip that hill apart before giving up, granted traction control has to be off. Tires, then traction control and only then actual AWD capabilities kick in
When he said cvt he meant that it couldn't shift to another gear to get more power down
What other gear?! They are crawling up the hill in the first gear.
Exactly what I want to point out. There is a reason why you turn off traction control when you are struck. Simple thing that Fast Lane car don't even realize...
Nothing gonna beat AUDI😂😂
It would be interesting to see how these would perform with dedicated winter tires, rather than the all-seasons you used.
Oh I remember the bloopers to this haha. :D
So the $54k AWD QX60 spins the front right and rear left and that is all she wrote ... that just proves my point that AWD is just a marketing scheme.
The Haldex systems on my Volvos are pretty much instantaneous, and slow witted human beings can't tell how fast they work. I live in the foothills in Colorado and have taken my Volvos off-road, and have driven in the worst Colorado road conditions, and Haldex works fantastic. Stop drinking the Audi and Subaru Kool-Aide.
And power reduction traction control works great, but Volvo recommends turning off that system under certain conditions--deep snow and soft sand. But the point is, you can turn it off.
My last BMW 740il with the E38 engine had traction control that would cut power to the wheels on ice and the engine would cut out. I hated that. Had to turn off traction control to start moving in snow or on ice then turn it on once I got going.
I had an older Allroad before and it was the best car I have ever had never got stuck was comfortable and just a nice car in general.
I'm with Nathan, Iove wagons as well.
should have turned off the TC in the QX60 when climbing so the power would not be cut off
The Ford was better on the Hill of Death because it had more approach speed and tyres appropriate for the conditions.
Another nice snowy mashup with these 2 clowns in cars with fucking all season crappy tires. Good job as always !
the test them as received by the manufacturer and what most people would do anyway
Hey look. It's winter now and I'm driving my 2016 Infiniti QX60 in the snow and ice with the tires it came with!
Joe Clark You're not reviewing it though. I don't understand your point... You can't properly test a car in the snow with shitty tire
+rock That's the point buddy. You don't put drag radials on them when you are testing their 0-60 and handling abilities either. When you review a car, you review it unmodified. This is the package the manufacturer has provided. It's a null point to suggest vehicles are better when you reconfigure them to a specialized scenario.
@@wreck_ignition7847 just got a snow storm yesterday in mine and it has been trucking through!
In the snow audi allroad a6 3.0tdi, air suspension, studded wintertires gets you everywhere
Me driving with all-season tyres :DDD Next time use real winter tyres like nokia hakkapeliitta :D
I live in Raleigh NC and I see both of those cars and every luxury car on the face of this earth! I see like 10 teslas a day several lambos is and rolls royces a week and etc
Am I the only one that thought even before the actual review was made both already were leaning favorably on the Audi?
I have the 2018 model. It's amazing how many improvements were made to this car after 2017. Better Quattro, better interior, better engine with more HP and torque and of course the virtual cockpit.
YOU GUYS ARE BATMAN AND ROBIN.
I was watching until I saw that AGAIN TFL is testing cars in snow without winter tires.
also the QX performance up the steep hill is consistent with my friend's experience up a steep snow covered driveway in VT, with Michelin latitude LTX during a ski trip
my passat FWD and lowered, but with Nokian WRG3 (all-weather) fared better, and it's not a good hill climber in the snow. I was expecting to chain up but didn't need to
in my opinion the allroad is better looking and preforming with appropiate tires
Hey I had a loaner A4 2014 not too long ago and I was able to fully disable the stability and traction control on it. I'd assume since this is an A4 wagon that it could do the same. You just gotta hold the esp button and hold it for like 5-10 seconds. Who knows? Audi may have disabled that function for the allroad.
seriously guys, what are you trying to find out with this
video? i only see to older's playing like teen's in new snow....
Which video is from the beginning of the intro called where the Dodge Challenger spins out?
Love it!
nice audi a4 allroad, good watch in 4K
And that's why Quattro is the best.
After Acura super handling all wheel drive.... But yes.
Ohm Boghara Honda is one weak car. Not even close to VOLKSWAGEN and don't even mention the AUDI.
TheEryk03 what do you mean by weak? Weak chassis, or weak engine?? Never heard someone claiming a car to be weak...
Honda and acura is well above vw/audi in terms of reliability...
Vw/audi are below industry average... honda/acura are top tier... lol...
autos.jdpower.com/ratings/2014-Vehicle-Dependability-Study-Press-Release.htm
Howie ch jd power is bullshit look at proper raports as DEKRA or go fuck your self. And I don't care about your story
Howie ch another moron with useless jd power... Check proper raport as DEKRA or STFU... Audi is one of the best and the most reliable car. Vw little worse. Honda reliable is not bad but I mean technology that is dated in Honda.
Xdrive vs Quattro snow mashup in the future maybe? :)
It is heaver and has a fantastic AWD system.
LIKE YOUR STUFF
ive never been to Colorado, it there snow all year round?
Have you guys reviewed a Volvo XC70?
Try a Subaru forester with snow tires. See if the shorter wheel base will help get up and over.
Nice Daewoo shirt!
Why didn't you guys test with more momentum up the hill?
I own a JX35 (now named QX60) and considering that I have been driving it for almost 2 years now, it's a wonderful car. The suspension is really good, it's a very pleasant car to take on road trips, soft leather, many technologies that help prevent collisions, and a decent V6. I say decent because this is Nissan's V6 and not the Infiniti V6 you find the in the G's. I have tried the hill climb myself and you need a lot of momentum to get up on there. If Infiniti had put wider wheels it would have definitely made it up that hill. It's what I have done at least. None the less, very nice comparison video of the two cars.
888TopGear888 Yes, but they do have their differences in HP numbers but just a few. I'd imagine it's different parts that cause this, but not entirely sure. One of my coworkers has a 370Z and his brother has a 2008 G35. Both have similar mods done, but you can slightly hear a difference in their exhaust notes. The Z seems to have a deeper tone than the G. And going back to what I said earlier, maybe different parts play a role in that.
+JoshorBrownKid cool I like the JX as well but in getting the QX 60
I think that a car with a CVT should have set shift points . Like a transmission. Then a Eco mode, to save fuel economy when desirable.
The Fast Lane Car
I bet my awd q50s would have no problem climbing to at least where the Audi was
If you test the cars, look that all cars have the same tires gyus.
My only problem with the audi design is the sloped roofline and hatch shape. This is about as impractical as it gets if you need to carry something boxy. Can't fit in much and if it does fit you have to careful not to break the rear window while closing the hatch.
To fully turn off traction control on audi Quattro u have to hole the tcs button for 5 seconds
Is the QX built on the Pathfinder platform?
Yes
When it comes to euro cars and Roman, I can't take anything seriously. He is so biased towards Euro cars .
He prefers tea over coffee too. It's a conspiracy I tell you!
The Raptor could of made it!!! Don't be afraid of a little scraping!!!
This is a A4 based Allroad, and it NEVER had air suspension, unlike A6 based Allroad which always has had and still has air suspension.
many thanks for your videos!
but as european - especially austrian - audi driver i do not know why you are complaining about the a4 allroad car price of about 48.000 USD?! the (nearly) same equipped car does cost about 70.000 USD here!
us prices are "sponsored" (i hope this is the right word that meaning?) from all other european buyers!
just compare for yourself and visit audi.co.uk or audi.at oder audi.de. you can not calculate the a4 allroad at the moment because the new modell is coming out, but it gives you an idea what we do pay here for such cars.
and this is not only a "gift" of audi, it is the same at volskwagen, porsche and so on.
one other sample is the gift you all did get from volkswagen, audi and so on because of the dieselgate. in autumn 2015 you did receive about 500 USD? WE in europe did get NOTHING!
so please to STOP complaining about prices of such cars - because WE in europe are helping you us guys buy such cars!
many thanks ;-)
and by the way, how ridiculous is this infinity SUV... LoL
Wish NA got the RS6 wagon.
Cant find a car that could make it up that hill? you should see what i can do in my 05 a4 with proper winter tires.
so Roman likes Torsen based system. my haldex is 90:10 by default
No, you can’t use that tires, really. All Audi’s use v shaped winter tires. To bad you can’t get air suspension but you can buy the 2.7biturbo limo on air suspension.
You guys are great lol
I am only at 1:50 but wow is the all road tiny or what..?
Should of turned off VDC going up the hill, it won't cut power to the wheels!
Tires make the difference... Snow on ground means REAL winter tires
Hey guys, which one would you recommend for better and more fun to drive compared with ACURA MDX SH-AWD same model year?
The a4 allroad never had air suspension
You could have made it in the Raptor, you still had clearance to make it over the hill.
I have a 2001 CR-V with real time all wheel drive, and it's perfect
Worse winter test I ever saw, I want my 16min of my life back.
huh the allraod here is a 2.0 TDI
Understeer, understeer, understeer. XD
Don't need a short wheelbase Wrangler for that. C'mon now.
If they would have gunned it the shocks would compress and the bottom of the car would take a big hit
Why not test the Hyundai Santa Fe
Why deliberately stop the car at 6:00 when trying to go over the hill?
they were about the scrape the bottom of the car on the hill. if the car was lifted a little higher they could have made it.
thanks
I bet you the Range Rover could make it over that hill!
Sorry but really not same car to compare !!!!! Plus… no winter tire?????????
OMG I'm going to keep my Subaru Tribeca. I was thinking about trading my car for QX60 LOL. These two cars are a slop. Thank god I didn't buy them.
I’ve owned both. I will say, if you want quiet, smooth and comfort the qx60 wins. My tribeca handled corners a little better and the AWD was slightly better but for daily driving QX60 is the way to go.
Quattro is no longer a full torsen
TURN OFF TC on QX60 and you would of made it up there no problem.
Please... Only the jeep Wrangler? I`m sure the Outback could make it
Well they won't be able to find out since Subaru banned them because they scratched up the Outback they got.
TheCobruhAlienat0r I'll make the video then haha
Subaru Montreal All of the cars in the video can climb it. And the Audi climbs it whit the slowest momentum and whit the worse tires. But all of the cars will get stuck on the top of the hill because of long wheelbase and low ground clearance... including the Outback. (all of this counts for this particular hill).If you gonna make the video you have to go to this same hill.
A lot cars would make it with proper winter tires.
***** Watch the video to the end.. The blue Ford try to climb it and it touches the hill whit its floor. I think its a bit higher then the Outback.
Why are the cars so cheap in USA?!?!?
Yorkiepoocharlie Larger than EU, China ?
211 not 220
Nissan > VW
These guys bash infiniti all day. This is NOT even the QX60 luxe awd model its the front wheel drive. You can tell by the badging. Don't tune in, they are dishonest.
Infinitis will always be Japanese Buicks to me. I've never seen one or been inside one that seemed any more special or sophisticated than a Buick. Nissans are garbage while Infiniti is just dressed up garbage.
In the infiniti zit a kinderstoel
I think every Audi below $40k-50k has the shitty haldex awd system plus Audi is not all that reliable even if you are willing to spend.
Not every Audi under $40 has the haldex system. Great example is the Q5 and A4, which have the "proper" Torsen-based system. As far as reliability, I owned a 2006 Audi A4 for 8 years and 150,000 miles and it was a great car that had only two main problems that were taken care of under warranty. Now, I own a '13 S7 and it has been great as well......
I beat the shit out of my 05 a4, unreal reliability
Point in case "Audi (breakdowns 1 every 27 cars insured)" - Warranty Direct
You have no idea what you are saying. Own an Audi first before you talk shit
lan rover rr
Infiniti looks like its melting not a good design
Come on drive the dam car.
Yeah, my sister has one of those Infiniti 60s. She actually should have a minivan for all the crap she carts around for her family outings.
am i crazy or this vid is a repeat?
They are repeating it
Kishan Patel
i hope they dont do that again to get more views, i dont need repeats on my feed... Yo TFL, do that again and u lose 1 subscriber,,,sorry.
Jo Loui Sorry, but you are wrong or perhaps crazy as you write. We have no clue what you are talking about. This is a brand new video.
The Fast Lane Car ok...sorry...guess im getting old faster than i thought:) say hi to nathaniel.
+Jo Loui what are u even talking about
Revives here are getting lamer and lamer...
Wait, if there is a baby seat in the back then who is the father? lol
I own a qx60 in Connecticut as of October 1st 2019 and this is a damn lie. I have Celsius tires and this is a lie I take off traction control and I'm fine these mfs want peeps to buy an audi
If you watch all their videos, they say that tires make all the difference in the world. They even mentioned tires in this video. They probably aren't audi fans because of the lack of reliability.