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Talk to Jason from the Modern History YT Channel, he has two warhorses in training and is an accomplished horseman and jouster. Your partner missed a grip that would give a 'normal' shield position. The diagonal strap over the left wrist and the lower hand-loop in hand.
Thank you guys for a brilliant, practical presentation! I would be surprised if, time permitting some shieldmakers hadn't used first a series of shields to get the broad range and then refined the mounting points with a mockup to fit the shield to the man.
Currently reconstruction my own shield straps based on the original and noted something you may find interesting. When I compare the original with his version he has placed all connections slightly to low (~6-7% off the complete shield size). If you would move all off them slightly upwards that could fix the difficulty's in handling. Beside that are the other measurments are really close to the original.
Regarding the use on horseback. The lower grip on this shield is quite low. When he holds it at the level of his belly button the shield still covers a big part of his upper body. That is very convenient when you are on horseback. The riders hand usually keeps the reins close to the belly button. Or at the same level. It does sound reasonable to assume that this mount is meant for enabling a horseman to use the shield. But I can't draw any conclusions without trying it myself. If you ever end up in Bückeburg we can give it a try ;)
I wonder if the "bridge" on the left could, as well as working as reinforcement, act as the hole for something like a wooden toggle, set onto the guige, allowing it to have two set lengths: one for wearing on the back and another for use in combat.
While it doesn't look like the shield you copied was modified in any way, It's not hard to imagine that the small loop through which the guiche strap passes is an example of how a repair on an older shield became the new standard for construction in subsequent builds. On the other hand, this design might not have originated as a repair. It could just as easily have been the method for "sizing". Either way, I would want to keep my eyes peeled for such details on any other finds. 1) A simpler one-rivet connection on older pieces, or a hole where a single-rivet connection had torn out. 2) Examples where the small loop for the guiche strap is in a relatively different positions to suggest "sizing", or possibly the appearance of additional rivets to suggest "resizing" for a new owner (as unlikely as that might be).
They do not always show up, not on originals nor on iconography. From a practicioner's point of view, I never padd any of my shields and that's no problem at all.
I don't know about the shield itself but the fixings look like pronged t-nuts with a bolt and washer. Very simple and easy to do. All you need is a drill and a wrench.
@@swordandshield Oh I did not receive any notifications. I am aware of the test and training part and that this is no replica. I am working on a larp project, so exact replicas are not really necessary. Could you provide us with measurements for the strap positions? You could hand them up to Cornelius, I see him regularly every tuesday.
@Roland Warzecha can you might put a link to the measurements some how. i would love to make a shild for sparring, best regards and thank you for all youre great content
Joe Kerr looks like no more than 8 mm , i does not look like its laminated or glued and bent, but more like wet/steamed bent ( the big and abrupt fold at the center ) , do you ask for building one ? I’ve made several shields in the last month for buhurt and those technical aspect interest me too
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Talk to Jason from the Modern History YT Channel, he has two warhorses in training and is an accomplished horseman and jouster. Your partner missed a grip that would give a 'normal' shield position. The diagonal strap over the left wrist and the lower hand-loop in hand.
Thank you guys for a brilliant, practical presentation!
I would be surprised if, time permitting some shieldmakers hadn't used first a series of shields to get the broad range and then refined the mounting points with a mockup to fit the shield to the man.
Quite possible.
Currently reconstruction my own shield straps based on the original and noted something you may find interesting.
When I compare the original with his version he has placed all connections slightly to low (~6-7% off the complete shield size). If you would move all off them slightly upwards that could fix the difficulty's in handling.
Beside that are the other measurments are really close to the original.
FYI, Matt Easton released a video recently concerning the strapping and especially the adjustment of the guige
Now I can avoid any fashion _faux pas_ and cary my shield correctly
Regarding the use on horseback. The lower grip on this shield is quite low. When he holds it at the level of his belly button the shield still covers a big part of his upper body. That is very convenient when you are on horseback. The riders hand usually keeps the reins close to the belly button. Or at the same level. It does sound reasonable to assume that this mount is meant for enabling a horseman to use the shield. But I can't draw any conclusions without trying it myself. If you ever end up in Bückeburg we can give it a try ;)
I wasn't aware that you are based at Bückeburg.
@@swordandshield well, feel free to drop by. If you want to try something just write me a message on Facebook. (Same name as here)
The guige's bridge could also allow for an extra arm strap is guige is fed through, shortening it.
thats what I was thinking
I wonder if the "bridge" on the left could, as well as working as reinforcement, act as the hole for something like a wooden toggle, set onto the guige, allowing it to have two set lengths: one for wearing on the back and another for use in combat.
I´m a rider, not a knight by any means I have only experimented while riding and when you use javelins it helps to use a strap around the shoulder.
Thank you ,I am about embarrassed as rk on a shield build.
Another informative video, well done to you both.
Thank you.
While it doesn't look like the shield you copied was modified in any way, It's not hard to imagine that the small loop through which the guiche strap passes is an example of how a repair on an older shield became the new standard for construction in subsequent builds.
On the other hand, this design might not have originated as a repair. It could just as easily have been the method for "sizing".
Either way, I would want to keep my eyes peeled for such details on any other finds.
1) A simpler one-rivet connection on older pieces, or a hole where a single-rivet connection had torn out.
2) Examples where the small loop for the guiche strap is in a relatively different positions to suggest "sizing", or possibly the appearance of additional rivets to suggest "resizing" for a new owner (as unlikely as that might be).
A strapping good video.
Let the man speak!
fine craftsmenship
Any chance you and your fencing partners are going to any videos on full sized kite shields?
At one point, sure.
Are the measurements of this shield available anywhere?
Width is the width of your shoulders + ~5cm.
Height is width*4/3.
How would you compare this configuration to the one you made shown in other videos?
For my purposes, they both work. Historical differences might be due to different contexts, like armour, mounted combat, fashion.
i know this video is old and i enjoy Roland's insight but i feel like in this video he talked over Oliver a little too often.
There's no padding for the forearm and wrist?
They do not always show up, not on originals nor on iconography.
From a practicioner's point of view, I never padd any of my shields and that's no problem at all.
I have never seen any indication for any padding on surviving shields. There are occasional depiction in period art, though.
Is there any building instruction? I would like to build one myself. 🙂
I don't know about the shield itself but the fixings look like pronged t-nuts with a bolt and washer. Very simple and easy to do. All you need is a drill and a wrench.
This is just a test and training shield made of plywood, not an accurate replica.
@@swordandshield Oh I did not receive any notifications.
I am aware of the test and training part and that this is no replica. I am working on a larp project, so exact replicas are not really necessary.
Could you provide us with measurements for the strap positions?
You could hand them up to Cornelius, I see him regularly every tuesday.
@Roland Warzecha can you might put a link to the measurements some how. i would love to make a shild for sparring,
best regards and thank you for all youre great content
I'm curious, was the original made from cut boards?
I am afraid to say that I do not know.
What is shield made of? It appears very light weight.
The original or the test shield? The latter is plywood and linen.
@@swordandshield the test shield.
Just regular plywood? How thick if you don't mind me asking?
Joe Kerr looks like no more than 8 mm , i does not look like its laminated or glued and bent, but more like wet/steamed bent ( the big and abrupt fold at the center ) , do you ask for building one ? I’ve made several shields in the last month for buhurt and those technical aspect interest me too
The medieval picture you used was a representation of David and Goliath. I'm not sure it is reliable.
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Seems like an invitation to get choked