"All roads lead to Jake Skywalker." Poor writing aside, this is the biggest problem that Disney Star Wars is facing. The sequels destroyed everything we cared about, but Disney is bent on keeping them canon so now every story and show now has to just try and make sense of the sequels
Reconning the sequels is only a good idea if you're actually going to produce decent to good, compelling content once it's been dispatched. Having seen most of the Disney Slop Wars (aside from Andor) I can't say with any amount of certitude that they wouldn't immediately begin 🐓 ing it up right away again.
@@rector0455 I keep seeing this copium and I just can't understand it. Carrie Fisher (RIP) is gone, there's no way to retcon the sequel trilogy in a satisfactory manner. It's over. It was over since the moment they decided to not have them together for one last hurrah in the very first sequel trilogy film. Then, of course, Harrison Ford wanted out so they killed Han Solo and Ruin Johnson destroyed Luke and then Carrie sadly passed away. So, the story is effed up beyond recovery. The only way to move forward is a huge time skip, like minimum of 200 years into the future, so we can have a fresh start or go way back into the past, like what KotOR did when it was created.
In the old Thrawn trilogy books it was established very quickly WHY Thrawn was such a threat. Timothy Zahn illustrated through action and dialogue how amazing of a tactician he was, how intelligent, and calculating he was. (I think it was in the first couple chapters of the first book if I remember right that you see his skills on display for the first time.) After that, it was continually shown how he thinks many steps ahead of his adversaries. THAT is what made Thrawn dangerous. The Emperor underestimated his abilities as a tactician and sent him into the outer rim while the war with the Rebels was going on. Thrawn himself claimed that if he were in command at the Battle Of Endor, rather than Vader, the Rebels never would have won. (And he is probably right.) He even scolds Admiral Palleon for his failures in that specific battle, and of the failures of his peers and allies that day. You have to be a good writer to write a character like that properly. Dave Filoni is not skilled enough to do that. As the saying goes, "A character is only as smart as the writer who writes them."
Captain Pellaeon muses about what would've happened at Endor, had Thrawn been in charge that day. And yes - right at the start a group of ships discoveres them on a single star destroyer, Pellaeon wants to flee, but Thrawn analyses the attack and counters, leading the imperials to victory over a superior force. Establishing his tactical danger well ans early. Great books! 😊
@@theinnerlight8016 Those are the scenes I was thinking of!! They did so well at illustrating Thrawn's prowess and his abilities as a tactician. Not to mention his study of each race/culture's art in an effort to understand them on a philosophical and practical level. Those moments alone cemented him as a force to be reckoned with. It's sad we don't see THAT Thrawn represented in Ahsoka. He was the Sun Tsu of the Galaxy. An intelligent, cultured man who rose above the xenophobia of the Empire he served through his superior wits and cunning. A master military tactician who was sidelined by the Emperor for his emotionally unstable Apprentice, when he should have been at the head of the spear the entire time. That is what made Thrawn so engaging and interesting. As well as formidable. I hate that we don't get to see THAT Thrawn Becaause that Thrawn was endlessly facinating!
Thrawn was a serious threat in the Zahn novels. He had access to all of the Empire's intel networks, Palpatine's personal assassin resources and a hand-picked highly-trained fleet and cadre of officers that was fanatically loyal to him, led by his XO Captain Pellaeon. He had 4 Imp Deuce Star Destroyers and a fleet of Old Republic Dreadnaughts equipped with AI Slave command-control. He almost brought Coruscant to it's knees by deceptively flooding it's space lanes with cloaked asteroids. He resurrected the Kamino cloning process Palpatine had stolen from them. He manipulated a corrupted, insane clone of one of the greatest Jedi masters to increase the efficiency of his fleet through Sith Battle meditation. This Thrawn is a cheap, bullshit, watered-down, neutered imitation, This isn't Thrawn.
@@toddblankenship7164LOL. Disney is shit feminist fan fic. This* thrawn is about as intimidating as Herman Goerring. The one described will NEVER appear in Disney.
Thrawn with a dad bod is about as intimidating as a gender confused Starbucks employee. George Lucas's Star Wars was peak Star Wars. Watching Nerdrotic and company mock and ridicule Kathleen Kennedy's Star Wars is way more fun than actually watching Kathleen Kennedy's Star Wars.
I always thought thrawn was a tactical genius. He's 70 years old in this timeline. Most of star wars is bad nowadays but let's enjoy it when it's good. Thrawns strength has always been his mind.
Filoni cast the only person fans would accept as the voice of thrawn and people are taken out of it because the 60 year old man didnt get Chris Evans jacked before his 3 episode max part
It honestly makes me fear for what kids believe. Kids are really easily suggestible. So, the "childrens' space-wizards show"---which it isn't supposed to be, no matter what anyone says, but that's a whole other can of worms---should it be showing children that you can get stabbed or stab someone, and expect they'll be perfectly fine?
@@rector0455 Qui-Gon Jinn’s Light Saber can melt blast doors, but apparently they’re too weak to eviscerate a 100 lbs soaking wet, little boy haircut wearing, girI boss.
The original Thrawn books that introduced Mara Jade were brilliant. Thrawn was an amazing highly competent adversary to the rebel alliance. There is no way the woke morons at Disney could pull off Thrawn while ignoring the original books.
And most of the respect for Thrawn was due to being able to 'hear' is INTERNAL MONOLOGUES, since it was a NOVEL! They can't demonstrate that he's some brilliant tactician who researches every aspect of his enemies before engaging them in an 8 episode min-series. Especially when they don't even reveal the guy till the 6th of 8 episodes!
Thrawn, since his introduction in Rebels, has been a joke. A waste of a brilliant character who is now just a generic evil general guy. Change Thrawn into any other character, and the story stays the same. The only reason they brought him into Rebels was for cheap nostalgia bait.
The real victims of the Ashoka show: Ray Stevenson, Hayden Christensen, the child actress who played Young Ashoka and the child actor who played the Jacen kid.
This is not the intensity of the novels Thrawn. It's not just the chill performance, it's the directing and how Thrawn is shot. Filoni has turned him into just another Imperial Officer. And we've yet to see on screen why he's so feared, we just HEAR about it, sort of.
I agree, and that's a problem for this show. Why not have some great scenes showing how intimidating and evil he is? There's no reason for Filoni to not give fans that kind of stuff, it's crazy to just introduce him in this way.@@alexgillis9446
Ezra finding Sabine while she's wandering around would have been so much better and actually made sense because he's a Jedi and has lived on this planet for 10 years and she has no idea where she is or what she's doing. Then, as she's being attacked, Ezra swoops in and their reunion dialog is all happening while they are fighting off these bad guys together. Then after they win the fight, they can have a quiet, more meaningful conversation.
Yes, but in modern Disney Star Wars, you can't have a man rescue a woman, because that would be sending a misogynistic message. And also no tears of emotion from women either, because that would show them being weak, in the eyes of Disney.
They are going to use the night sisters to destroy the force and then only women will be able to use force magic. KK will get her vision through this series
Thrawn is supposedly an understated villain, he isn't scary looking or physically threatening. To make a good antagonist from that baseline you need to make him scary by having him inflict defeats on the heroes. Someone needs to die or be lastingly damaged by him. Why not keep Sabine in a cell and break her mind, or have Baylan turn her to his philosophy? The point is, Thrawn needs to do something intimidating. Instead they have written him in an extremely predictably way. Releasing Sabine to find Ezra guarantees that they will team up and remain free to fight back, then when Ahsoka comes in they will be strong enough to defeat Thrawn. Easy. They likely had this script written by ChatGPT, seriously.
I honestly think it's just that these writers are such soft individuals that they can't imagine that kind of terror. For all they like to talk about "trauma," no sign of it actually shows in what they make. I've noticed throughout all these shows, in place of brutality, they write in this sort of lukewarm, 'nobody gets hurt, characters just talk about how sinister or threatening they are, and they do it sinisterishly' sort of way. They'll sneer, offer snide remarks, give menacing speeches, but show no actual ruthlessness to back any of it up. It turns the whole thing into a cheap soap opera. Contrast this with a moment in Knights of Sidonia where they have to tilt the station to avoid some oncoming danger. They put out a warning for all residents to hook themselves to the nearest safety rail, and those who can't get to one in time are thrown into walls at hundreds of miles per hour. I'm talking bodies by the thousands, the whole city-sized station is painted red with blood. From one. Fucking. Maneuver. I just don't see the people who think of their mean boss as "trauma" being capable of that kind of brutality, especially not to their beloved girlboss characters. Extra-especially with Disnep producers hovering over them and giving notes.
Baylan by far is my favorite character in the show. He brings a strong presence to each scene. I want to know more about him and what his overall vision is for the future.
Sabine could easily beat 1,000 soldiers but only on the same basis as all her previous fights, which is that the soldiers don't want to kill, hurt or even touch her... As long as they keep attacking the area around her but not her, she's invincible.
Never seen the show but that Ezra dude looks like he walked off the set of The Chosen, and Sabine looks like she had a tumblr account to role play Bleach shota on in 2013.
They are headed straight towards the Disney Trilogy. They are NOT changing course. Reminds me of something in history, oh right, that Dude that ignored all the warnings while driving his ship right into an Iceberg.
Here is the difference between the EU Grand Admiral Thrawn and Admiral Blueface: -EU's Grand Admiral Thrawn would be over 5 steps ahead of his foe and his rep as a master tactician was so feared that not even Admiral Ackbar would directly challenge him and even when he was in exile he had to survive on a forest planet on his own and when the Imperial remnant found him he was shredded(body type) for the reason that Thrawn believed that a fit body is needed in order to maintain a symbol of power he also had long hair and his mind was very sharp like a razor blade and once he donned his uniform he brought the Imperial factions together and launched a military campaign against the New Republic that almost destroyed it and it was only through one little mistake and a backstab that ended Thrawn's campaign. That was peak for it was George Lucas's Star Wars back then and that should've been the sequel trilogy. -Disney's Admiral Blueface looks like someone who spent the last 13 years wining & dining himself, gained some weight and looks like a bluefaced Elon Musk(which is very intention on Disney's part due to not liking him) and he is making mistakes in first 8 minutes of his return and it is embarrassing and Woke Disney can't make a serious villain for to them it is fear inducing(WHICH IS THE POINT!!!!) and this is yet another example that this is Kathleen Kennedy's Star Wars and this is one of the reasons the Disney stock is down the toilet.
A villian must he competent to be scary. The joker is scary as hell because he's a legitimate threat. Vader was more than a match for Luke, Vader would have been way less of a threat had Han solo put one between his eyes in cloud city. Amon Goeth in Schindler's list is terrifying because he's a madman who can snap his fingers and have you shot on the spot. Tywin lannister, probably the best villian in all of Game of Thrones was competency personified. He was ruthless, intelligent and knew when and where to flex his strength. All of Disney's new villains lack competency. Kylo Ren, left bleeding in the dirt. The emperor force lightnings himself to death. Even the good guys lack competency, look at fat Jake Skywalker for instance.
The introduction to Thrawn should've been him winning an unwinnable battle. General girl-child should've been given a fleet to chase Thrawn and when they jumped into the system he should've decimated the fleet with just his single star destroyer and a contingent of fighters. Show what an unparalleled military mind he has. Could also show the fighter pilots doing suicide runs to show that he also inspires absolute loyalty from his troops. But no, he just stands around and talks like a boring old middle manager that's just waiting for 5 o'clock so he could go home.
@@georgehouliaras7239 Voice acting wise, yes, very good. Live action wise, not so much. Think of a new Vader half his height .. would be laughable, just like an out of shape Thrawn.
Ryan has really evolved since the start of FNT, he really makes some excellent, considered points among the hilarious, grab you by the balls, jokes. The Doom Patrol orgasm scene to represent modern Disney Star Wars fans, was chefs kiss. Really appreciate you Gary and the crew, hope your trip to the UK wasnt too disappointing.
12:00 For the records, in Rebels, Agent Kallus is established early on as being able to go toe-to-toe against Zeb, a Lasat warrior., and win half the time. The moment Kallus goes against Thrawn in hand-to-hand fight, he got his ass destroyed like he was a nothing and Thrawn isn't even breaking a sweat.
Eza looks like a Persian merchant from Arabian Nights. The star destroyer landing over the group was retarded. I mean don't they have shuttle crafts or landing crafts.
The Thrawn Arch is in essence part of the Skywalker Saga, where each had their heroe's journey and experience in confronting and thwarting Thrawn. The essence of the EU. So what we are seeing in Ahsoka is the gender and character swapping of the Skywalkers. It is being set up as NOT part of the Skywalker Saga. Ahsoka replaces Luke, swashbuckler Hera replaces her Han counterpart, Sabine replaces Leia (Ahsoka's "sister"/platonic love interest),and I am betting Sha Ti replaces Mara Jade. Hyuang the sidekick replaces Chewey the side kick. Still not convinced ?
Serenity is a master class in bringing a new audience up to speed. Within the first 15 minutes of that movie you know who everyone is, what their roles are, how they feel about each other, what their general mission is, and even get a full sense of what the ship they are on is. No need to have seen the show Firefly beforehand. Ashoka is a bore. We are six episodes in and I feel nothing for any of the characters. Nothing.
I didn't know any better and watched Serenity first. And as you said, no issue figuring out who was who and what was going on and really enjoyed the movie as it's own thing.
At this point the best thing about Disney Wars is Charlie Hopkinson’s channel. Seeing stoner Anakin geek out over his appearance in Ashoka had me rolling
Grande Admiral Smurf will use magic of his own by teaming up with the Night Sisters and his true father, Papa Smurf. Together they will recruit the dark wizard Gargamel to achieve their ultimate goal of reclaiming the galaxy for the Empire. 🧐 *"NUFF SAID"™️*
At least the actors of Ahsoka Tano, Hera Syndulla and Grand Admiral Thrawn are brave enough to wear the full body make up of their alien characters. Compared to Emilia Clarke who wussed out on her Skrull body make up, making Gi'ah a hypocrite of wanting to be in her own skin yet has no problem posing as a human all day long.
The only reason anyone knows Emilia Clarke is because she used to show her boobs. Now she refuses to show them and nobody has any reason to know her. Her boobs were popular... not her.
Wanna know what the real problem with Thrawn is? His gaze; that’s what makes the difference. It looks soft and he’s supposed to be a warrior. Think James Gandolfini in The Sopranos.
Best line: “Ezra just came back from Burning Man.”😂 I agree: Ezra and his Hermit Crab band played a gig there while on a planet-wide tour - featuring regional bands, “The Night Sisters” and “Thrawn and the Living-Dead Troopers”.
It makes zero sense that Thrawn wouldn't keep track of Ezera every single day. Considering everything Ezera did (such as trapping them in a different galaxy) you'd keep your eyes on him.
I cannot believe what they’ve done to Thrawn man. I have the books on my shelf it’s such a money grabbing heart wrenching bit of BS. If anyone is really itching for some classic Star Wars you couldn’t do much better than reading the Darth Bane books. They’re fucking brilliant, set right back in the war between Jedi and Sith and is super dark.
The way Az recounts the screenplay, makes it seem like improv theater. I watched 2or 3 episodes with half an eye, but an not in a hurry to see more. Rebels, I are that UP.
When I was watching episode 6 and Baylan says (7:15 - 7:22) "it repeats, again and again, and again..." I started to laugh hysterically. It was almost like he was making a meta reference for how repetitive and boring the Disney Star Wars universe is.
Eu Thrawn" I have strategicly placed three ships to bring the New Republic to its knees" Disney Thrawn "So i guess Ill just wait here for someone to bring me a map yah? What do you guys think?"
The fact that people are having org*sms over this is hillarious. Its amazingly bad but so many people want to shill for Disney for some crazy reason, no matter how bad the writing
Everything you guys talked about is on point. For some reason Sabine's makeup bothered me just as much. The fact that she's wearing it, the fact that it's still perfect.
The intelligent thing to do would have been to have Timothy Zahn write the scripts, since he's the guy who made Thrawn so popular in the first place and he is a top notch science fiction writer.
you guys just dont understand. Lars played thrawn in the cartoon!!! what a score to get that same actor!!!! can you believe it! doesn't matter if the actor is a jabba the hut in size or a 100 year old frail senior citizen, suitability for the role is irrelevant, he's perfect for the memberberries! this is what happens when everyone is ravenously feeding off the desiccated remains of a brutalized corpse. nothing matters except getting your pound of flesh.
My buddy keeps telling me Ahsoka is peak star wars but I tell him I don’t see it and he tells me EVERYBODY on twitter/X loves it! I’m not crazy right? This show isn’t GOOD!
I only know 2 people who are watching Ahsoka, my older brother and a student who worked for me back in 2016 when she was a freshman. My brother is like, its something to watch. The former student watches and it and finds it very very VERY boring
It’s all retcons of the first 6 Star Wars films and tie ins for their garbage sequel trilogy which is why it’s hilarious when you still have people thinking Filoni will decanonize his (Disney’s trilogy).
Thrawn was originally written very well, and had the aid of an insane(cloned)jedi master in C'baoth, and a race of aliens that could dampen the force. He also had access to a lost dreadnought fleet along with huge numbers of loyal Imperials. We get none of that in this show. It's like the dollar store version of Thrawn. Such a disappointment. I don't care how he was built up in some kids cartoon that came out years ago. Whatever they did with the character in that, it is still a shadow of what he could have been.
Thrawn: "Our numbers have dwindled here, we can only afford to send two squads." Also Thrawn: "I have a great idea, lets completely redesign our Stormtrooper armour." F*ckin' dumb.
Ummm and how are his troops dwindling? It sure as hell isn’t because of the killing machine nomads, who can’t seem to kill a single girl from point blank range from every angle possible.
The Escargot people would not have that high of a pitch voice. Especially with their physiology. Disney needs cute sounding action figures that won't sell, to dump on the public.
This episode really made it seem like travelling to other galaxies is like driving back and forth between a neighboring city for a weekend. Like it's such a trivial matter. Even Mass Effect Andromeda made it so that travelling to the nearest galaxy would take over half a millennium if travelling at faster than light speeds. They are literally in ANOTHER GALAXY and are acting like they just stopped on the highway for something to eat.
6:55 whenever I think about that, I always refer to the 1983 Mickey's Christmas Carol film. In the movie, with just ONE LINE of dialog, they manage to make Tiny Tim the most lovable character of them all. And even today, when you rewatch the Ghost of Christmas Yet to Come scene is as heartbreaking as it was 40 years ago.
For the longest time, I wanted Thrawn on screen. I read the Heir to the Empire books several times after my father said "You HAVE to read these" 😂 This... this is just pathetic... I haven't watched a single thing Star Wars since Mandolorian season 1. I'm glad I stopped, as that isn't Thrawn. 🤢
I love all of these tacoversations. They are so witty and full of burritformation about the franchise 😆 But yeah, the Ahsuckah snore-fest is kind of ramping up in its capabilities to give the viewer an alternative to sleeping pills 👀At least is healthier than chugging drugs! 😅 The story written and directed by La Señora KK is really one of a kind 👀 In retrospective, I believe this Thrawn is likely to mimic Xi Jinping in the threatening department and the unassuming façade. But that's just me and seeing the actor moving like Xi Jinping does when surrounded by his sycophants.
"All roads lead to Jake Skywalker." Poor writing aside, this is the biggest problem that Disney Star Wars is facing. The sequels destroyed everything we cared about, but Disney is bent on keeping them canon so now every story and show now has to just try and make sense of the sequels
Reconning the sequels is only a good idea if you're actually going to produce decent to good, compelling content once it's been dispatched.
Having seen most of the Disney Slop Wars (aside from Andor) I can't say with any amount of certitude that they wouldn't immediately begin 🐓 ing it up right away again.
@@rector0455 I keep seeing this copium and I just can't understand it. Carrie Fisher (RIP) is gone, there's no way to retcon the sequel trilogy in a satisfactory manner. It's over. It was over since the moment they decided to not have them together for one last hurrah in the very first sequel trilogy film. Then, of course, Harrison Ford wanted out so they killed Han Solo and Ruin Johnson destroyed Luke and then Carrie sadly passed away. So, the story is effed up beyond recovery. The only way to move forward is a huge time skip, like minimum of 200 years into the future, so we can have a fresh start or go way back into the past, like what KotOR did when it was created.
Yeah but Disney would just remake Force Awakens again.
@@rector0455excellent point
And they dead end with "REY SKYWALKER".
In the old Thrawn trilogy books it was established very quickly WHY Thrawn was such a threat. Timothy Zahn illustrated through action and dialogue how amazing of a tactician he was, how intelligent, and calculating he was. (I think it was in the first couple chapters of the first book if I remember right that you see his skills on display for the first time.)
After that, it was continually shown how he thinks many steps ahead of his adversaries. THAT is what made Thrawn dangerous. The Emperor underestimated his abilities as a tactician and sent him into the outer rim while the war with the Rebels was going on.
Thrawn himself claimed that if he were in command at the Battle Of Endor, rather than Vader, the Rebels never would have won. (And he is probably right.)
He even scolds Admiral Palleon for his failures in that specific battle, and of the failures of his peers and allies that day.
You have to be a good writer to write a character like that properly. Dave Filoni is not skilled enough to do that.
As the saying goes, "A character is only as smart as the writer who writes them."
Exactly.
Captain Pellaeon muses about what would've happened at Endor, had Thrawn been in charge that day.
And yes - right at the start a group of ships discoveres them on a single star destroyer, Pellaeon wants to flee, but Thrawn analyses the attack and counters, leading the imperials to victory over a superior force. Establishing his tactical danger well ans early. Great books! 😊
@@theinnerlight8016 Those are the scenes I was thinking of!! They did so well at illustrating Thrawn's prowess and his abilities as a tactician. Not to mention his study of each race/culture's art in an effort to understand them on a philosophical and practical level.
Those moments alone cemented him as a force to be reckoned with.
It's sad we don't see THAT Thrawn represented in Ahsoka. He was the Sun Tsu of the Galaxy. An intelligent, cultured man who rose above the xenophobia of the Empire he served through his superior wits and cunning. A master military tactician who was sidelined by the Emperor for his emotionally unstable Apprentice, when he should have been at the head of the spear the entire time.
That is what made Thrawn so engaging and interesting. As well as formidable.
I hate that we don't get to see THAT Thrawn Becaause that Thrawn was endlessly facinating!
@@01What10 a capable male in a Disney product?
Not gonna happen, mate.
This actually sounds interesting. 👍
Live Action Grand Admiral Thrawn looking like Blue Elon Musk while Live Action Ezra Bridger looking like the Prince of Persia.
😂😂😂👍
Ezra to me always looked like Disneys Aladin in Star Wars
Haha! When I first saw the pic of Thrawn I thought it was Elon Musk doing some cosplay shit.
Dude looks like a blue Elon Musk after a decade of alcoholism, and a “moment of clarity.”
I thought the same thing as soon as I seen him
Thrawn was a serious threat in the Zahn novels. He had access to all of the Empire's intel networks, Palpatine's personal assassin resources and a hand-picked highly-trained fleet and cadre of officers that was fanatically loyal to him, led by his XO Captain Pellaeon. He had 4 Imp Deuce Star Destroyers and a fleet of Old Republic Dreadnaughts equipped with AI Slave command-control. He almost brought Coruscant to it's knees by deceptively flooding it's space lanes with cloaked asteroids. He resurrected the Kamino cloning process Palpatine had stolen from them. He manipulated a corrupted, insane clone of one of the greatest Jedi masters to increase the efficiency of his fleet through Sith Battle meditation.
This Thrawn is a cheap, bullshit, watered-down, neutered imitation,
This isn't Thrawn.
lol move on kiddo the book was great but this is another story, also that may happen in the future.
@@toddblankenship7164 Chances are the person you are addressing is older than you, so It is *you* who needs to move on.
well I'm 45 and been a fan since i was two years old in 1980@@malcontender6319
@@toddblankenship7164LOL. Disney is shit feminist fan fic. This* thrawn is about as intimidating as Herman Goerring.
The one described will NEVER appear in Disney.
Bro how you know that he has appeared for one episode
Thrawn with a dad bod is about as intimidating as a gender confused Starbucks employee. George Lucas's Star Wars was peak Star Wars. Watching Nerdrotic and company mock and ridicule Kathleen Kennedy's Star Wars is way more fun than actually watching Kathleen Kennedy's Star Wars.
George Lucas’ Star Wars is the ONLY Star Wars there is. He created it, it’s his universe. Everything Disney does is just fan fiction.
I always thought thrawn was a tactical genius. He's 70 years old in this timeline. Most of star wars is bad nowadays but let's enjoy it when it's good. Thrawns strength has always been his mind.
Can’t even deny that.
You know it, I know it, we all know it.
Filoni cast the only person fans would accept as the voice of thrawn and people are taken out of it because the 60 year old man didnt get Chris Evans jacked before his 3 episode max part
@@tylorchapman1567 Even Joe Brandon can still cycle, Lars must have some bad habits.
Thing that bugs me most: Let people die. Everyone keeps coming back, or get stabbed by a lite saber, and is okay 20 minute's later.
Someone in the Livestream said normal steel swords would be more deadly that Disney lightsabers and honestly I can't disagree at this point.
Sabine was up and walking around the next morning after being gutted by a lightsaber.
No wonder they don't die if it's a lite saber LOL if if was a proper lightsaber then yeah
It honestly makes me fear for what kids believe. Kids are really easily suggestible. So, the "childrens' space-wizards show"---which it isn't supposed to be, no matter what anyone says, but that's a whole other can of worms---should it be showing children that you can get stabbed or stab someone, and expect they'll be perfectly fine?
@@rector0455 Qui-Gon Jinn’s Light Saber can melt blast doors, but apparently they’re too weak to eviscerate a 100 lbs soaking wet, little boy haircut wearing, girI boss.
The original Thrawn books that introduced Mara Jade were brilliant. Thrawn was an amazing highly competent adversary to the rebel alliance. There is no way the woke morons at Disney could pull off Thrawn while ignoring the original books.
And most of the respect for Thrawn was due to being able to 'hear' is INTERNAL MONOLOGUES, since it was a NOVEL! They can't demonstrate that he's some brilliant tactician who researches every aspect of his enemies before engaging them in an 8 episode min-series. Especially when they don't even reveal the guy till the 6th of 8 episodes!
Thrawn is a genius, but a character can’t be smarter than his writers, so we are getting the “special needs Thrawn”.
Special needs thrawn ha ha ha
I would say A.I. made this show. But A.I. would have been more original
Thrawn, since his introduction in Rebels, has been a joke. A waste of a brilliant character who is now just a generic evil general guy. Change Thrawn into any other character, and the story stays the same. The only reason they brought him into Rebels was for cheap nostalgia bait.
The real victims of the Ashoka show: Ray Stevenson, Hayden Christensen, the child actress who played Young Ashoka and the child actor who played the Jacen kid.
What's even worse is that it was Ray's last performance. Man he deserved an better/epic send off.
@@Indians-dl3to EXACTLY
Indeed
No, it’s the audience.
And he’s barely been in this show. What does he have 10-15 minutes of screen time in 6 episodes?
This is not the intensity of the novels Thrawn. It's not just the chill performance, it's the directing and how Thrawn is shot. Filoni has turned him into just another Imperial Officer. And we've yet to see on screen why he's so feared, we just HEAR about it, sort of.
You’ve seen like a minute and a half of him you lunatic
"Show, don't tell"
He is feared onscreen, because of the books and expectations, not for anything filoni has done or is capable of.
I agree, and that's a problem for this show. Why not have some great scenes showing how intimidating and evil he is? There's no reason for Filoni to not give fans that kind of stuff, it's crazy to just introduce him in this way.@@alexgillis9446
Such a boring letdown
Ezra finding Sabine while she's wandering around would have been so much better and actually made sense because he's a Jedi and has lived on this planet for 10 years and she has no idea where she is or what she's doing. Then, as she's being attacked, Ezra swoops in and their reunion dialog is all happening while they are fighting off these bad guys together. Then after they win the fight, they can have a quiet, more meaningful conversation.
Yes, but in modern Disney Star Wars, you can't have a man rescue a woman, because that would be sending a misogynistic message. And also no tears of emotion from women either, because that would show them being weak, in the eyes of Disney.
The writers can’t rely on a male to help a woman fight other men
But he's not a Jedi.
Getting rescued is misogynistic 🤣🤣 how dare you
At least that's what Disney seems to think. I haven't seen a man save a woman in Disney Star Wars yet. No Lukes to save the day there...lol@@lupini12
It turns out finding ezra was super easy, barely a inconvenience!
They are going to use the night sisters to destroy the force and then only women will be able to use force magic. KK will get her vision through this series
"I have thoughts, I'm outraged" is the best quote of the year.
Thrawn and the troopers can't find ezra, but she finds him straight away lol
No, Ezra's chainmail armor is made of Stormtrooper dog tags, meaning Thrawn did send troopers after Ezra, but he killed them.
Thrawn is supposedly an understated villain, he isn't scary looking or physically threatening. To make a good antagonist from that baseline you need to make him scary by having him inflict defeats on the heroes. Someone needs to die or be lastingly damaged by him. Why not keep Sabine in a cell and break her mind, or have Baylan turn her to his philosophy? The point is, Thrawn needs to do something intimidating.
Instead they have written him in an extremely predictably way. Releasing Sabine to find Ezra guarantees that they will team up and remain free to fight back, then when Ahsoka comes in they will be strong enough to defeat Thrawn. Easy.
They likely had this script written by ChatGPT, seriously.
please don't insult ChatGPT,
it' not as good as people think, but it's not that bad
I honestly think it's just that these writers are such soft individuals that they can't imagine that kind of terror. For all they like to talk about "trauma," no sign of it actually shows in what they make. I've noticed throughout all these shows, in place of brutality, they write in this sort of lukewarm, 'nobody gets hurt, characters just talk about how sinister or threatening they are, and they do it sinisterishly' sort of way. They'll sneer, offer snide remarks, give menacing speeches, but show no actual ruthlessness to back any of it up. It turns the whole thing into a cheap soap opera.
Contrast this with a moment in Knights of Sidonia where they have to tilt the station to avoid some oncoming danger. They put out a warning for all residents to hook themselves to the nearest safety rail, and those who can't get to one in time are thrown into walls at hundreds of miles per hour. I'm talking bodies by the thousands, the whole city-sized station is painted red with blood. From one. Fucking. Maneuver.
I just don't see the people who think of their mean boss as "trauma" being capable of that kind of brutality, especially not to their beloved girlboss characters. Extra-especially with Disnep producers hovering over them and giving notes.
@H8ful4nalizer And this is why I wonder how in the world ANDOR got made. That show was so top-notch in every facet!
The whole "Thrawn is in his 70's" argument assumes his species ages at the same rate as humans.
There are some people in their 70-80s that are in better shape than others in their 20-40s.
@@bri55118 Good point
@@bri55118 My grandparents are their 70s and look pretty good for their age
If this was Vader half his height, everyone would be laughing their @sses off
It’s even funnier when you heard one of Thrawn’s quotes that says how important it is for one to exercise😂
Baylan by far is my favorite character in the show. He brings a strong presence to each scene. I want to know more about him and what his overall vision is for the future.
Rip ray Stevenson
Sabine could easily beat 1,000 soldiers but only on the same basis as all her previous fights, which is that the soldiers don't want to kill, hurt or even touch her... As long as they keep attacking the area around her but not her, she's invincible.
They fear her mighty vaginal force
I can understand why Sabine is cold feet. Ezra has crabs now...
Puns, you have. 😉
Never seen the show but that Ezra dude looks like he walked off the set of The Chosen, and Sabine looks like she had a tumblr account to role play Bleach shota on in 2013.
Looks like Ezra said screw the jedi order and joined the taliban
"Thron will buy all the Empire and rename it "X"! ...hilarious🤣
People who read the novels know who Thrawn is, and we don't like what all this new canon is doing to him.
Look who took on the project.. Dismal Studios and Doofusfilms. Can't get any more low bar than that.
Well, they are done destroying the OG characters, now they need to search the extended universe for more victims.
Next will be Mara Jade…
@@LeonardoPostacchini That's easy of course. No Luke just her. I wouldn't be surprised.
Grand Admiral Yawn, that is fecking great I laughed out loud for that one!
They are headed straight towards the Disney Trilogy. They are NOT changing course.
Reminds me of something in history, oh right, that Dude that ignored all the warnings while driving his ship right into an Iceberg.
I don't know why you guys seem to think they would be changing course anyways. Wishful thinking is one thing but it's bordering naivete at this point
Grand Admiral Thrawn is a Master Strategist. Too bad he couldn't strategize a Diet Plan. 😂
Here is the difference between the EU Grand Admiral Thrawn and Admiral Blueface:
-EU's Grand Admiral Thrawn would be over 5 steps ahead of his foe and his rep as a master tactician was so feared that not even Admiral Ackbar would directly challenge him and even when he was in exile he had to survive on a forest planet on his own and when the Imperial remnant found him he was shredded(body type) for the reason that Thrawn believed that a fit body is needed in order to maintain a symbol of power he also had long hair and his mind was very sharp like a razor blade and once he donned his uniform he brought the Imperial factions together and launched a military campaign against the New Republic that almost destroyed it and it was only through one little mistake and a backstab that ended Thrawn's campaign. That was peak for it was George Lucas's Star Wars back then and that should've been the sequel trilogy.
-Disney's Admiral Blueface looks like someone who spent the last 13 years wining & dining himself, gained some weight and looks like a bluefaced Elon Musk(which is very intention on Disney's part due to not liking him) and he is making mistakes in first 8 minutes of his return and it is embarrassing and Woke Disney can't make a serious villain for to them it is fear inducing(WHICH IS THE POINT!!!!) and this is yet another example that this is Kathleen Kennedy's Star Wars and this is one of the reasons the Disney stock is down the toilet.
Dumb people dumb down everyone else
A villian must he competent to be scary.
The joker is scary as hell because he's a legitimate threat.
Vader was more than a match for Luke, Vader would have been way less of a threat had Han solo put one between his eyes in cloud city.
Amon Goeth in Schindler's list is terrifying because he's a madman who can snap his fingers and have you shot on the spot.
Tywin lannister, probably the best villian in all of Game of Thrones was competency personified. He was ruthless, intelligent and knew when and where to flex his strength.
All of Disney's new villains lack competency. Kylo Ren, left bleeding in the dirt. The emperor force lightnings himself to death.
Even the good guys lack competency, look at fat Jake Skywalker for instance.
@@Biostasis5x7 My point exactly.
The introduction to Thrawn should've been him winning an unwinnable battle. General girl-child should've been given a fleet to chase Thrawn and when they jumped into the system he should've decimated the fleet with just his single star destroyer and a contingent of fighters. Show what an unparalleled military mind he has. Could also show the fighter pilots doing suicide runs to show that he also inspires absolute loyalty from his troops.
But no, he just stands around and talks like a boring old middle manager that's just waiting for 5 o'clock so he could go home.
EU Legends Grand Admiral Thrawn was a real threat that almost tore down the New Republic compared to this Disney Blue Elon Musk.
Dont forget the Yuuzhan Vong in the EU
Rebels thrawn was still kinda nice too
@@joshgamingvlogs5203His voice actor is probably the best Thrawn voice but that's about it. I guess his theme was alright too.
@@georgehouliaras7239 Voice acting wise, yes, very good. Live action wise, not so much. Think of a new Vader half his height .. would be laughable, just like an out of shape Thrawn.
Peak Star Wars was that build up period between attack of the clones and revenge of the sith. It ended when the credits rolled in 2005.
Ryan has really evolved since the start of FNT, he really makes some excellent, considered points among the hilarious, grab you by the balls, jokes. The Doom Patrol orgasm scene to represent modern Disney Star Wars fans, was chefs kiss. Really appreciate you Gary and the crew, hope your trip to the UK wasnt too disappointing.
12:00 For the records, in Rebels, Agent Kallus is established early on as being able to go toe-to-toe against Zeb, a Lasat warrior., and win half the time.
The moment Kallus goes against Thrawn in hand-to-hand fight, he got his ass destroyed like he was a nothing and Thrawn isn't even breaking a sweat.
They were better off revealing that Thrawn was the original Papa Smurf for all the power his final entrance had. He was truly Grand Admiral Yawn. 😂
Eza looks like a Persian merchant from Arabian Nights. The star destroyer landing over the group was retarded. I mean don't they have shuttle crafts or landing crafts.
The Thrawn Arch is in essence part of the Skywalker Saga, where each had their heroe's journey and experience in confronting and thwarting Thrawn. The essence of the EU. So what we are seeing in Ahsoka is the gender and character swapping of the Skywalkers. It is being set up as NOT part of the Skywalker Saga. Ahsoka replaces Luke, swashbuckler Hera replaces her Han counterpart, Sabine replaces Leia (Ahsoka's "sister"/platonic love interest),and I am betting Sha Ti replaces Mara Jade. Hyuang the sidekick replaces Chewey the side kick. Still not convinced ?
Serenity is a master class in bringing a new audience up to speed. Within the first 15 minutes of that movie you know who everyone is, what their roles are, how they feel about each other, what their general mission is, and even get a full sense of what the ship they are on is. No need to have seen the show Firefly beforehand. Ashoka is a bore. We are six episodes in and I feel nothing for any of the characters. Nothing.
I didn't know any better and watched Serenity first. And as you said, no issue figuring out who was who and what was going on and really enjoyed the movie as it's own thing.
15 minutes?! More like 5! You get more character in Nathian Fillion's short walk through the ship than 5 whole episodes of Ahsoka
You nailed it! I watched Serenity before seeing Firefly and immediately was up to speed like you said.
At this point the best thing about Disney Wars is Charlie Hopkinson’s channel. Seeing stoner Anakin geek out over his appearance in Ashoka had me rolling
Thrawn's introduction in Ahsoka has less gravitas than Kermit the Frog's introduction in Muppet Treasure Island.
I call him Grand Hairdresser Thrawn.
“Well, clearly you just don’t understand what’s going on!”
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Hey, Nerdrotic i’ll have you know that Dave Filoni wrote that episode.
Thrawn should've given Sabine the last known location of Ezra, and when she showed up, the only thing waiting for her would be a tombstone
Grande Admiral Smurf will use magic of his own by teaming up with the Night Sisters and his true father, Papa Smurf.
Together they will recruit the dark wizard Gargamel to achieve their ultimate goal of reclaiming the galaxy for the Empire. 🧐
*"NUFF SAID"™️*
Thrawn is only a threat based on what he did in the Heir to the Empire novels. Here he is a joke.
In Ep 6, Sabine said to Ezra ‘I’ll tell you soon’ or smth and it reminded me of ‘that’s a story…for another time’ like a throwaway line
"Actually, it was super-easy - BARELY an inconvenience." - Ryan George
At least the actors of Ahsoka Tano, Hera Syndulla and Grand Admiral Thrawn are brave enough to wear the full body make up of their alien characters.
Compared to Emilia Clarke who wussed out on her Skrull body make up, making Gi'ah a hypocrite of wanting to be in her own skin yet has no problem posing as a human all day long.
Both shows suck, tbh
Amelia Clark is so over rated
@@joshgamingvlogs5203she is very pretty though …
The only reason anyone knows Emilia Clarke is because she used to show her boobs. Now she refuses to show them and nobody has any reason to know her. Her boobs were popular... not her.
And didn't wanted to use lilac contact lenses to have accurate color eyes for Daenerys.
Why would the droid be saying “in a galaxy far far away…” THEY ARE IN THAT GALAXY, that was the setup for US ON EARTH 😂😂 that makes no sense
Maybe he's talking about Earth
Wanna know what the real problem with Thrawn is?
His gaze; that’s what makes the difference. It looks soft and he’s supposed to be a warrior.
Think James Gandolfini in The Sopranos.
The Rat-Dog-Crocodile-Horse sums up the Ahsoka series... It's just that poor disfigured dog from "The Fly II" that wants to die
How to create a stars wars character. Go to Starbucks to get coffee. Arrive at work to write character. Barissta coffee.......... Barriss Offee.
OMG you are right.
Damn it that's going to stick in my head now.
Best line: “Ezra just came back from Burning Man.”😂 I agree: Ezra and his Hermit Crab band played a gig there while on a planet-wide tour - featuring regional bands, “The Night Sisters” and “Thrawn and the Living-Dead Troopers”.
Ray Stevenson is absolutely fine and great actor cause I actually like his character in this series.
Shame he died though 😢
11:25 He looks like a blue school teacher, that’s near retirement.
It makes zero sense that Thrawn wouldn't keep track of Ezera every single day. Considering everything Ezera did (such as trapping them in a different galaxy) you'd keep your eyes on him.
Dad-bod Thrawn rolling up in his dilapidated jalopy filled with dirty hobo troopers was ridiculously underwhelming.
I cannot believe what they’ve done to Thrawn man. I have the books on my shelf it’s such a money grabbing heart wrenching bit of BS.
If anyone is really itching for some classic Star Wars you couldn’t do much better than reading the Darth Bane books.
They’re fucking brilliant, set right back in the war between Jedi and Sith and is super dark.
And even the new "canon" books are really really nice! Zahn is a skilled author.
This was to absolutely be expected of Disney
The way Az recounts the screenplay, makes it seem like improv theater. I watched 2or 3 episodes with half an eye, but an not in a hurry to see more. Rebels, I are that UP.
When I was watching episode 6 and Baylan says (7:15 - 7:22) "it repeats, again and again, and again..." I started to laugh hysterically. It was almost like he was making a meta reference for how repetitive and boring the Disney Star Wars universe is.
The look on his face is funny too 😂 legit looks like he knows it’s lame as well
Eu Thrawn" I have strategicly placed three ships to bring the New Republic to its knees"
Disney Thrawn "So i guess Ill just wait here for someone to bring me a map yah? What do you guys think?"
The last thing Disney I saw was The Force Awakens. I don’t think I’ve missed anything.
You missed the first season of the mandalorian.
That is all.
Then I didn't miss anything. @@zufalllx
If the witch sisters or whatever could tell Morgan Thrawn was there, why did she need the star map?
The fact that people are having org*sms over this is hillarious. Its amazingly bad but so many people want to shill for Disney for some crazy reason, no matter how bad the writing
Actually Ashoka really should have been a Disney musical: at least it would have been entertaining!
I feel Baylan and Shin could have been interesting to follow, they work for me. The others feels like they still are in a cartoon.
While still being bland and dry as the deserts of Tatooine and Jakku.
Ezra looks literally like Quagmire, look at screens of the episode where Quagmire has a beard PURE GOLD
Thrawn looks like a blue Data.
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They should have paid Tim Zahn, who wrote the original books, to sketch out a storyline for them.
Everything you guys talked about is on point. For some reason Sabine's makeup bothered me just as much. The fact that she's wearing it, the fact that it's still perfect.
half smurf half member of the Kurta Clan
Why does thrawn look like Elon Musk...
Everything leads to Space Musk acting as a Prototype to Ex-Emperor Zombietine.
I liked the ending to Mandalorian S2 and I wish that it ended there
Ray Stevenson should have played Admiral thrawn !
God bless I miss him , man was an absolute Chad in Punisher Warzone . 😢
The intelligent thing to do would have been to have Timothy Zahn write the scripts, since he's the guy who made Thrawn so popular in the first place and he is a top notch science fiction writer.
No one cares about real talent at Disney (also: he's male)
..he has literally said hes hppy with the way Filoni writes him. Multiple times. Tf else you want 🤣
Be honest: Can't wait for Taiko Waititi to get his own Star Wars trilogy? 😂
Guck it
Might as well at this point
Wanko tanktitty? Tinko waikiki?
Tranko walkwitty?
They should've hired Zahn to write the script
you guys just dont understand. Lars played thrawn in the cartoon!!! what a score to get that same actor!!!! can you believe it! doesn't matter if the actor is a jabba the hut in size or a 100 year old frail senior citizen, suitability for the role is irrelevant, he's perfect for the memberberries!
this is what happens when everyone is ravenously feeding off the desiccated remains of a brutalized corpse. nothing matters except getting your pound of flesh.
Ugh
Kinel's make up looks like it was applied via shotgun !
My buddy keeps telling me Ahsoka is peak star wars but I tell him I don’t see it and he tells me EVERYBODY on twitter/X loves it! I’m not crazy right? This show isn’t GOOD!
Sounds like he’s delusional and doesn’t want to come to the realization that Star Wars is dead
It’s Book of Boba Fett level in terms of quality.
I only know 2 people who are watching Ahsoka, my older brother and a student who worked for me back in 2016 when she was a freshman. My brother is like, its something to watch. The former student watches and it and finds it very very VERY boring
Tell your buddy that everybody on Twitter loving it is not the endorsement that he thinks it is 🤣
Fun Fact: A galaxy can have from 50 Billion to over a Trillion planets.
First Planet when they arrive in the new Galaxy.... Found! Done looking.
It's all prequels and all retcons. just can stand it.
It’s all retcons of the first 6 Star Wars films and tie ins for their garbage sequel trilogy which is why it’s hilarious when you still have people thinking Filoni will decanonize his (Disney’s trilogy).
"Use The Farce, Sabine."
Thrawn was originally written very well, and had the aid of an insane(cloned)jedi master in C'baoth, and a race of aliens that could dampen the force. He also had access to a lost dreadnought fleet along with huge numbers of loyal Imperials. We get none of that in this show. It's like the dollar store version of Thrawn. Such a disappointment. I don't care how he was built up in some kids cartoon that came out years ago. Whatever they did with the character in that, it is still a shadow of what he could have been.
I just woke up my neighborhood with that "Hey..... Got any blow on ya?"
Filoni kisses the helmet. He put lips on a stormtrooper like Schumacher put nips on Batman/Robin.
Thrawn: "Our numbers have dwindled here, we can only afford to send two squads."
Also Thrawn: "I have a great idea, lets completely redesign our Stormtrooper armour."
F*ckin' dumb.
Ummm and how are his troops dwindling? It sure as hell isn’t because of the killing machine nomads, who can’t seem to kill a single girl from point blank range from every angle possible.
The Escargot people would not have that high of a pitch voice. Especially with their physiology. Disney needs cute sounding action figures that won't sell, to dump on the public.
Teenage Mutant Jedi Snails
@@lukeskywalker6809 Sounds good.👍
Peak Star Wars was not in a half realized universe with massive plot armor. It will come when Zahn says it comes. It is written. It is the way.
*Thrawn is not a non-human, he is a near human.
Hello, Nerdrotic and everyone!! 😊
This episode really made it seem like travelling to other galaxies is like driving back and forth between a neighboring city for a weekend. Like it's such a trivial matter.
Even Mass Effect Andromeda made it so that travelling to the nearest galaxy would take over half a millennium if travelling at faster than light speeds.
They are literally in ANOTHER GALAXY and are acting like they just stopped on the highway for something to eat.
peak star wars now means bottom of the barrel, huh... who knew
6:55 whenever I think about that, I always refer to the 1983 Mickey's Christmas Carol film.
In the movie, with just ONE LINE of dialog, they manage to make Tiny Tim the most lovable character of them all. And even today, when you rewatch the Ghost of Christmas Yet to Come scene is as heartbreaking as it was 40 years ago.
this show is like watching WNBA, or Star Trek Strange New Worlds.
I think to be an Admiral you have to be in charge of more than one ship.
For the longest time, I wanted Thrawn on screen. I read the Heir to the Empire books several times after my father said "You HAVE to read these" 😂
This... this is just pathetic... I haven't watched a single thing Star Wars since Mandolorian season 1. I'm glad I stopped, as that isn't Thrawn. 🤢
Somehow Palpatine returned.
I wish they would give Dave Failoni the boot.
Honestly, I think so far this is a gairly good Thrawn. Ahsoka escaped him by the skin of her teeth this week.
I love all of these tacoversations. They are so witty and full of burritformation about the franchise 😆
But yeah, the Ahsuckah snore-fest is kind of ramping up in its capabilities to give the viewer an alternative to sleeping pills 👀At least is healthier than chugging drugs! 😅
The story written and directed by La Señora KK is really one of a kind 👀
In retrospective, I believe this Thrawn is likely to mimic Xi Jinping in the threatening department and the unassuming façade. But that's just me and seeing the actor moving like Xi Jinping does when surrounded by his sycophants.
"Do you got any f'n blow on ya?"
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