Phenix Autogyro Testflight
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- Опубліковано 15 жов 2024
- I was lucky to testfly the Phenix Autogyro. It is the only autogyro/gyrocopter in production with tractor-configuration and has eliminated many CG-related problems of pusher-prop equipped autogyros. The controls are easy and intuitive. I am confident we have a new generation of gyrocopters here.
I had to turn off the sound.
Great design. I like the tractor configuration.
A tractor configuration with a nose gear. Very interesting.
Thats a really good looking machine, im really liking the tractor configuration as well.
One of these with jump take-off capabilities would be the best thing ever.
Note to OP: NEVER put silly sound effects and stupid electronic music in a video. It detracts from the point you may be trying to make, and is annoying
Stupid electronic music??? You heathen !!! That's Kraftwerk !!
Although, I do agree that many types of videos really could do without having music obliterating the audio. I'd rather hear the sound of the engine and the blades than "We Are Robots" (as much as I do love Kraftwerk).
Первый раз вижу автожир с тянущим винтом..👍👌✌️
Самые первые экземпляры, были именно с тянущим винтом...
A picture is worth a thousand words but it sure would be nice to know how it performs and what the motor is etc.
Well, all aircraft have certain eccentricities that can kill you. Fixed wing aircraft can stall/spin, helicopters are prone to loss of tail rotor effectiveness, settling with power, ground resonance or mast bumping (etc). Gyros are very adverse to low g maneuvers (so are R-44 and R-22 helicopters BTW) and power push over but I think they can be a very safe design given pilots who give them what they need, like any a/c. That is to say, I don't think they are MORE inherently dangerous.
I could very well be wrong, but it looks like this design configuration with propeller in the FRONT would possibly be much less likely to do that forward flip death roll. Any thoughts?
look up the Little Wing autogyro website, they explain why you are right
where did you get that sound track?
Beautiful aircraft ❤️👍
Purpose of the '60's monster movie audio?
Beauty autogyro I think the first with fairing cockpit.
No. There are a number of designs with fully enclosed cockpits. Personally, I don’t like this design. There are reasons that gyros progressed from tractor to pusher-props.
The first Gyrocopters had a really big problem with tail authority while landing. They where aircraft fuselages with the prop on the front. There was not enough thrust air moving over the tail to keep the rotation torque low on landings. This model will have the same issues?
Everyone always says that gyros can't stall, but they never go on to say that you can't hold the nose down for too long or the rotors will unload and stop flying, which ultimately leads to the same thing as a stall in a fixed wing: a crash. Actually, it is a stall, come to think of it. You just enter it nose down instead of nose up.
TheRooster602 - Actually, you CAN hold the nose down... all the way to the ground. For example, I could climb to 10,000ft, cut the power, allow the nose to drop, and maintain that attitude all the way to a safe landing.
What you CANNOT do is pull a low-G or negative-G manoeuvre because that will unload the rotors and you are in danger of being a passenger in a brick.
@@RoadRunnerLaser right, I should have said you can't hold the nose of the rotor disk down. Pointing the nose of the airframe at the ground is not the problem, it's lowering the nose of the rotor disk with respect to the relative wind (unloading it) that causes the problem- it's really a stall, but in the opposite direction from a fixed wing aircraft. Thanks for clarifying my pet peeve about rotorcraft marketing myths.
MyOther Username - It still is not to do with time but to do with G. Yes, subjecting the rotordisc to an airflow top-to-bottom can be catastrophic, but to the best of my knowledge, that’s not easy to do in general flight, not even if you tilt the rotordisc forward (unless you are pulling a low- or zero-G manoeuvre) - However, fly underneath a helicopter and things can go pear-shaped very quickly. If you fly a gyro - stay away from helicopters. They might look like best buddies, but they don’t play well together and contrary to what James Bond movies might suggest, the gyro is likely to end up losing.
@@RoadRunnerLaser airflow top to bottom, that's what happens in a bunt-over isn't it?
MyOther Username - Yes. Also known as a powered push-over, but there is usually a bit more at play and it happens very quickly - too quickly to simply be due to airflow through the rotors. Gyrocopter Flying Club has made some very good videos - a recent one discusses this issue (and shows a clip of it happening). Thrust-line plays a very important part. Modern gyros are far less susceptible to PPO. In fact, one of my instructors scared the shit out of me by opening up the throttle with the nose low, demonstrating that I should be a lot less afraid of PPO than I was... Still, despite his demonstration, I avoid applying power in a nose-low attitude because I don’t want to be a statistic or a smear on the ground.
I also avoid low-G situations. One low-G situation which is hard to avoid is in turbulence. Occasionally, I’ll hit sinking air and get that feeling of my insides floating. I discussed this with my instructor (who has many thousands of hours of heli time) and he explained that the green-arc for rotor RPM is a lot larger than for a heli. We can lose a lot more of our rotor RPM than a heli can and still fly - A heli has a much narrower green arc for rotor RPM.
One of the major dangers of unloading the rotor disc is that it loses its “cone” which can cause the rotors to strike the tail. It’s a bad day if that happens on the ground (which is where it will usually happen) but if it happens in the air, you’re probably not going to be posting on Facebook about your bad day. I’ll see if I can find the link to Gyrocopter Flying Club’s video where he talks about PPO (it may actually extend over. a couple of his videos. His videos are very short but well worth watching).
А что лучше, тянущий или толкающее расположение винта от СУ. ?
She is a beauty!
Interesting design, but I am curious how "nose heavy" this gyro is. All that engine weight plus passenger weight in front of the horizontal rotor seems to me puts it out of balance. But thanks for the video, love all these gyros.
What is going on with this beautiful design recently? Last I heard there was to be testing and then that it was almost Certified in Germany... then nothing! I love this gyro design and am disappointed to hear the US representatives will no longer be importing this Gorgeous Gyro! I would love to hear more about what the current status is of this design... if it is currently being manufactured and available in Kit form?
A pusher can be safe if correctly built: push power at same level as the center of gravity+ horizontal stabilisation surface and it's safe.
Pusher is better for visibility (like a helicopter) and agility...
Tractor seems to make a lot more sense.
The power producing prop is in clean air that way.
Nice! How much to the rotors bend in the negative direction? Any chance of a tail slap if you were to hit hard (clearance looks tight)?
It's beautiful. Any updates?
It needs a prerotator to shorten the takeoff roll; when autogyros don't have prerotators they are capable of landing in places they can't take off from
I think it does have a pre-rotator. Most modern gyros do. ALL gyros are plagued by the ability to land in places from which they are unable to take off (except some of the very special jump-takeoff gyros). We generally see this as an advantage. Sure, we might not be able to take off from a field, but at least we can get into it in an emergency without damaging our craft or injuring ourselves or our passengers. Okay, so we’re going to need to get someone with a trailer to recover the aircraft but better that than a complete rebuild after a stay in hospital.
The nice thing about flying a gyro is that knowledge that if the engine quits, I can put down in something the size of a tennis-court. It gives me a much wider choice of engine-out options than in a fixed-wing aircraft.
This clip is 2 yrs old now so things may have moved on, but I noticed how long the take off run was also the difficulty the guy had getting in also the visibility compared to all auto gyros like Cavalon calidus and mto sport looked very limited..I for one loved the performance of the gyros as they are and really don't see the advantage of sticking the engine in the front ..
I wonder if CL thrust is as crucial for tractor configuration.
It still matters, Guy. Early Ciervas had their engine mounts set with some down-thrust to do just this. I _think_ he mentioned it in an early paper, or maybe a patent. As crucial? ...probably not, given the longer tail moment found on most tractor designs. The higher control volume would help - but if the forward airspeed is low enough, a misaligned thrust line can still tip her over!
A gyro can take of verticaly (jump mode) if : it's equiped with a strong pre-launcher able to drive the rotor up to 500rpm or more+heawy rotor blades +a variable pitch rotor (prerotation is made at 0 degree).
Anoter possibility, a tip jet powered rotor like whe see on the French SNCASO Djinn helicopter from the 50' (no torque on the rotor)...
You have successfully re-invented the wheel. Gyrocopters started out as modified airplanes. I don't suppose there is anything wrong with it except at slow speeds there isn't much air passing over the control surfaces.
" at slow speeds there isn't much air passing over the control surfaces"
Same as a fixed wing plane.
Except the gyro will fly much slower than a fixed wing will which only exacerbates the problem.
The 80s wants it's infomercial music back.
Loose that awful background sound!!
@Freshbrood Fixed thrust wouldn't be necessary, just safer with less moving parts.
Very Cool! When / Where can I buy?
nicd👍👍👍👍👍👍
It appears that you use too much runway
the song : Kraftwerk
@405FP Couldn't a classic gyrocopter theorhetically be able to hover, if the motor (when placed behind the pilot) were able to rotate 90' with the direction of the propeller spin, blow the rear pressure to the side instead? That would be like a combo gyro/heli, with fixed tilt gyro blades, and a dual purpose rear prop. It seems like the gearing would be simple enough to rotate a small engine about 90' to the side and continue to spin both perpendicular blades. You'd just have to have a fixed
A classic gyro CAN hover without needing all that kerfuffle. However, it can only be done with sufficient headwind. The more crap you add to an aircraft, the closer you get to your MTOW. If you add too much crap, your useful payload weight becomes ridiculously small. You want to be able to carry a passenger and enough fuel to be able to fly for a few hours, at least. There’s not a lot of point to only being able to carry half an hour’s worth of fuel if you have a passenger.
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interesting autogyro, pity some lemons on here don't care for the mighty Kraftwerk!
Very cool craft
What kind of engine, canyou hover?
Hell yeah Kraftwerk
Love the music! All the haters can shut up and keep scrolling...
great music selection
Nice looking but the take off distance is way to long, stol gyros are common with todays pre rotors, not to mention that tracktor gyros have had stol since pitcairn.
Maybe the front prop interferes with the lift dynamic of the rotors, the receding rotor travels thru an accelerated airstream and vice versa.
Had to bust out some xtasy and glow sticks.
One of the PRIMARY reasons for a gyro-copter pusher configuration was VISIBILITY... not having to look through a spinning propeller. You've taken a step backwards and call that progress? No, I don't believe there will be any great rush to change to tractor types anytime soon.
thrust, so top speed would be very slow, but when the engine was rotated to the side for hover mode, it would be stable. It's easy enough to decrease thrust with a deflector. Then the only real disadvantage to a copter would be it's speed.. OR with a manual gear shift, you might be able to get past that issue too.. maybe just downshift the gearing on the rear propeller when angling to the side for hover, problem solved.. I don't know anything about flight, but it seems like simple physics to me.
Have nothing good to say about the "music," other than to say the '80s are calling. They want their music/sound effects back...........
Go easy on the super loud music.
Autogyro invented by Juan de la Cierva in 1923
I have gotten interested in the autogyro craft. So why not purchase a Cessna fuselage with engine and propeller. It has already all the mechanisms. Cut the fuselage shorter, add the large rotor. I believe that would be less costly than purchasing an already factory built product.
SHOULD REALLY READ HISTORY, ,this not a new gen of qyro, look at the pitcarin gyro @ 1924, pitcarin bought the auto gyro from a Juan de la Cierva y Codorníu, 1st Count of De La Cierva in 1920, cierva was the inventor,
@DDDDanDDDD 6' 3" 220 is normal where I'm from...
Had to turn of that ridiculous music......Anyway nice craft.
What's with the weird music..nice looking machine...way the guy got in a little cramped..need a redo on the tail empenage. Looks non functional.
5 km more and it will fly bugaga
WHERE DO YOU DANGLE THE DOORMAN. AHAHAHA
great music video,btw get rid of that gyro,nobody wants to see or HEAR that thing.
Bad filming
Lo unico malo es que esta en ingles.
Really annoying music.....
Music is terrible. For the love of God, never again...
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fix a minigun and some misslies on it and go to Iraq.
The music SUCKS !
totally gay music, whats the takeoff roll?
Few Problems.It looks like it take at least 200-250m to take of,waaaay too much for a so light plane,you can never trust the free spining blanes,no wings for additional and reserve lift,can't hover,can very easy stall and it's a very risky vehicle to fly.Better a plane or helicopter ...
motanelustelistu It's a Gyro, it cannot stall at all. It's very safe, in constant autorotation. Takeoff can usually be reduced to 70m. You might want to read about Gyros a bit. This is no new technology...
You need to study up on Gyroplanes
Motane-- You really don't know what you're talking about. Just flapping your lips without any knowledge. So shut up and go study.