Why this Wing Won’t Catch On
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- Опубліковано 28 вер 2024
- This Rear Wing is absolutely MENTAL! It's called the 'Active Multi-Axis Centripetal Wing' - let me explain.
So when you look at a Ferrari, then a Ferrari race car - there aren’t that many differences anymore. Power is similar, suspension setups are similar, and so are the brakes.
But the main one is the aero - but! Properly clever active aerodynamics have slowly been appearing on modern supercars - and this Zenvo is the maddest of them all.
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Enzo Ferrari once said “aerodynamics are for people who can’t build engines”. In hindsight, he might be wrong. Aerodynamics has shaped the way cars look, made them faster and even more economical.
As technology has moved on, carmakers have tried many clever ways to improve aerodynamics. One of the most popular, particularly in modern supercars, is active aero. This enables a car's aerodynamics to change while it's moving.
And by the way, folding the mirrors in on your Fiesta doesn’t count.
To give you an example, a fixed rear wing can give you an improvement in downforce, pushing down on the rear wheels and increasing grip. Unfortunately, it also increases drag, making it harder for a car to move through the air at higher speeds - reducing its top speed.
So the engineers need to figure out something that can change dynamically.
The McLaren P1 is a great example of this. Not only can it hunker down closer to the ground, but the rear wing changes in height and angle depending on the speed or mode it's in.
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I want this on my car! This Zenvo looks absolutely mental!
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What do you think about vertical "wings"? Well not wing, i don't know the word for it. Like the pagani one, just not on the top but on the side. Would have little affect on wheel load if executed properly, but i think it could redefine things. Cornering G load and tire wear also. While "downforce" just adds to tire wear. This moveable rear wing this vid is about is half way there.... Why not go all in, i might never know. Race cars could be steered like a plane with little to no downforce.
P1 gtr has DRS and a big chassis mounted wing
5:30 to that I say: “Full send it. Active Adjustable everything, boom”. True flyby wire like a true mad scientist should.
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@@alunesh12345 may i ask what is your religion? Also, if Gods love is unconditional, then why not send me to heaven anyway? Whats the alternative? Im not messing with you im genuinely curious.
Can't wait in 20 years for the entire car to change shape like a transformer when going around corners
🤣🤣🤣😂😂😂
Better yet, like Lightning McQueen.
@@shadmansudipto7287 drift around every corner?
Have you seen SRT's Tomahawk concept?
@@DJAizakku My first thought too
The moving rear diffuser and wing actually appeared on the Mitsubishi 3000GT/GTO VR4 in the mid 90's and blew my 12 year old mind.
Only 24 sold in the UK
VW Corrado also had a moving wing, same time period
wings that move up and down make sense, this thing doesn't make the car go faster, I suspect they consulted an 11 year old
@@metadata4255 Wings don't make the car go faster anyway (Downforce is drag, hence hiding the wing is DRS), this one makes the car go faster around corners though, allegedly xD
Epic
From an engineering standpoint just like you, the weight shift from back to front in the cross diagonal pattern may not be such a big issue as trying to plant 1200 horsepower to rear wheels. Maybe the car had a massive oversteer problem, and this would help correct part of it so as horsepower gains shifting to help keep weight balanced in corners and good traction you might have to take different approaches.
Oversteer?
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@@alunesh12345 Lay off the juice will ya?
Exactly, have the chassis set up for oversteer, so low speed corners are fast. Then use the wing to balance it in high speed situations. It's what the thing is for. I think the main drawback is the added weight. There's no way this isn't massively heavier than a normal wing negating any performance gains from the wing itself. If there even are any.
Make it awd?
I don't think its about anti-roll, i think it is about generating force towards the inside of the turn, generating in some sense an aerodynamic grip.
it's definitely more grip focused but i could see there being an anti-roll aspect considering the opposite forces would somewhat even out the weight distribution on tight turns.
it's about looking different and getting attention, both for the buyer at a trackday and for Zenvo on "craziest supercar" listicles. The reason nobody else has a wing like this, is because it doesn't work. A functional active aero system is either adjusting the wing angle (up and down, not rolling the wing) or opening/closing flaps through which air can flow and interact with aerodynamic elements like the diffuser/wing/etc.
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Right but his point what that it has a similar effect as anti-roll and when you use downforce to put more load the LR tire during a left hand turn, you also take some load off of the right front wheel which could induce understeer. However, it could still benefit the car if its able to improve the overall attitude of the car in a corner which will depend heavily on how they tune the active aero.
@@alunesh12345 … Tomorrow is too late then?
The Pagani huayra bc still has those adjustable flaps on the rear and front. They weren't removed the rear wing was added
The only part not made in house is the infotainment screen, it’s just a iPad Pro, which is pretty clever if you ask me. I don’t know why more manufacturers don’t do that.
because then how will they charge you the price of an iPad pro for the "super ultra infotainment package" that will make the car obsolete and costs them 20$ to make
Because apple products are generally shit
Because when you buy a car you want the whole car in one go. You dont wanna have to buy a bunch of shit separately for it
@@adrianwelgemoed9562 they meant pre-installed on the car
@@lumityandowlhousefan well then it makes sense.
0:45 Folding the mirrors or how I like to call it - DRS.
2:25 Looks kinda like a Lexus LFA from the back.
No way the LFA is more boxy and skinny
I had a Zenvo ST1 as my wallpaper back in 2011. A few days ago I finally saw Shmee in his TSR-S. Awesome looking car and to see the Aurora unveiled this week in Monterey really shows their growth. Not a fan of the centripetal wing but it is a clever idea.
I'd argue Pagani did it best, because they also has the individual flaps in the front as well, which would help combat the understeer generated from the rear downforce.
There was an aircraft engineer who applied a similar design on a relatively slow experimental glider as means of steering it. He called it vector-steering and on paper its looked like a good idea. The plane crashed and he died.
Unsurprisingly we still have conventional steering surfaces on aeroplanes. The main problem was rotating the steering surface around the longitudinal axis of the plane - it was just impossible to move it fast enough to achieve directional stability in turbulent air.
Huh ? That's exactly what this video is about... One aileron lowers and the wing go up, and one aileron goes up so the wing goes down... Unless you're talking about a completely different thing were the aircraft tails rotate on itself, in which case is what is the plane called, who's the guy, is there pictures and videos of because that sounds insane and crazy ?
Googling vector steering plane just give me png of steering wheels...
Making downforce on the whole rear will pitch-up the front anyway so I guess any company putting rear downforce just want more traction
Move the snow plow from the front bottom to the rear top? Genius !
If! In the future cars become faster and safer and perhaps more autonomous; then I can see control surfaces playing a bigger role in stabilization.
Looks so funny. Leaning against the corners looks strange to me. The other way around would look much better.
Probably not effective though.
it looks backwards, but think of it like a weight hanging from the wing in a bar. then it makes sense, that the weight of the wing is moved towards the inner wheel :-)
@@MC-Racing
True
6:04 well the simple answer would be weight. having motorized active wing will weight more due to the mechanism compared to simple carbon fixed wing
when it comes to racing weight is a big benefactor as well is weight balance
When you tilt a wing you are adding a vector pulling the car to the outside of the corner/ increasing side loading of the tires.
And tilting a wing with no dihedral has a lower performance than the flap system of Lamborghini or Pagani. It relies on the AoA to create a difference in loading
Can you please explain this in more detail?
@@nade5557 in a level downforce wing you have 2 vectors resulting from the interaction with the air: drag (backwards) and downforce (down)
If you tilt the wing then the downforce doesn't go straight down but rather perpendicular to the wing. Or in other words, unaligned with the road surface. A byproduct, although small, is a side vector in the opposite direction of the tilt (outwards).
The other stuff is rather complicated for me to explain, you would need to learn a bit about airplanes, namely dihedral and angle of attack.
@@almerindaromeira8352 What is that byproduct force caused by? The way I understand it, if you tilt the wing 15 degrees clockwise (looking from the back of the car) then the downforce vector will also be tilted 15 degrees clockwise. Assuming this is a left turn, then the resultant downforce vector would include a side force component towards the inside of the corner. I'm not sure where the force towards the outside comes from.
I know about dihedral and angle of attack, I'm just not sure why a tilted wing without dihedral has a lower performance than the flap system the Huayra uses.
Thanks for your explanation.
@@nade5557 yes, if you are tilting in the opposite direction of the corner, than you are right.
The pagani produces the downforce alsmost directly above the tires, meaning the downforce only needs to go straight down to do its job. In this car, because its tilting you have that side vector and it's just slightly more inefficient. Also the pagani can regulate how much downforce you produce and the ratio between left and right. In this one you only tilt and change those vector's forces
@@almerindaromeira8352 OK thank you I understand it now
Good on them for getting some attention
As a physicist I believe that should not work if the body is not preventing somehow the lower plate to get full force. Even then, you only introduce some short of minor torque for the same amount of downforce. You can achieve the same by lifting the inner flap more and be much more efficient. I can think a few much more efficient systems, eg brake steering, 4 wheel steering, rear wheel toe.
I think pagani did something like this with the huayra, it has folds on the front that come up at speed, and tilt while cornering, it could be completely different but it seems cool.
Those nails were deployed for maximum air drag. There for better braking power that stop you in short distance.
Folding the wing mirrors on my fiesta does count as aero. Active aero in-fact, because you can lean out the window and do it whilst driving.
It's slander to suggest anything otherwise. You will be hearing from my solicitor (who is worse and cheaper than my car).
As a fiesta ST owner I felt the "folding in your fiesta mirrors doesnt count"
4:57 "Sai da frente Guedes"
I still can't unsee that the host is basically a UK Trevor Collins from teeth.
12 years is a new boy
So the change in downforce works for the rear wheels but also lifts the front wheels making the car gain grip at the back and loose grip at the front. Does that mean it would need a moveable front splitter, that worked in tandem with the rear wing, for it to work?
Enzo was definitely right with his quote.
The ALA system from Lamborghini fundamentally does the same thing as the Zenvo, only more subtly and less garish in looks
Rotating the wing would reduce overall downforce and create more of a lateral force would it not? Seems like a silly marketing gimmick. Why not add some kind of vertical active turning vanes and leave the rear wing alone?
the zenvo is my dream car
Im actually from Denmark and i love zenvo❤
I WAS LEGIT THINKING ABOUT THIS A FEW NIGHTS AGO
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Active aero on cars is really not a new idea and it can work really well, but you need it on both the front and the rear to keep the car balanced. Hood flaps are one way of achieving a similar affect on the front
I still can't believe bugatti weighed down the divo with that active blister system
Awesome video! Made my day 👏🏻
F1 should allow active aero. Shortly we would see a lot of ingenious ideas.
Automotive Designers for million dollar "hypercars": What if the wing tilted to provide more lateral grip?
Dodge: Just give the ACR a bigger wing and throw skidplate sized canards for all the lateral and conventional grip one could ever need.
Also Dodge: Is substantially faster, sounds better, looks better and costs less than a 1/10th to own and operate as you can also just bring it to your local dodge
Man, I just don't get the hype with some of these exotics lmao
Perhaps Enzo said what he said before there was regulations
I dont understand the argument about it taking the load off the front with the longboard example. Thats literally what giant spoilers already do.
*0:00* Why not both?
5:43 AphaTauri DRS
The problem is aerofoils need a certain speed to start working and at slow speeds its useless, at same time the way the rear spoiler with active aero has been implemented into the zenvo is one of the inefficient way, I guess car manufactures really need to approach the aircraft designers for the aerodynamics part
Reminds me of the movie 'Short Circuit'. Do robots need eyebrows?
They aren't the new kids on the block, they've been building cars for 12 years?
How is that not the new kid on the block lmao
It looks like a modern Civic made a baby with an Aventador.
Should have just called it *The AXS Wing*
The intention is not to produce a roll moment, but to produce a side force.
This is just an innovative movement, the design can be improve. There are cars with 2 invidual spoiler acts like this.
Didn’t pagani do something like this 10 years ago but better
So really, they need a diffuser that can also tilt like that, just in the opposite direction to whatever the wing is?
i longboard and it really doesn't matter where your weight is to turn i guess if your'e on indys you might get wobble but rkp ftw
Air anti roll bar basically. Cool!
Edit: ahh he just said it
Perhaps more gains could be had if they sent the owners to fast driving school ?
The problem i ve seen with this car is that on fast turning track the wing lags behind and imagine doing autocross on it 🤣
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So Enzo Ferrari is Özil's great grandfather?
Lamborghini one is like the one used in F1, that hole Alonso covers
it won't catch on because it will always aim to miss you whenever you try catching it ! ... get it ?
"Making a car look too purposeful" - what does that even mean?
I remember driving the Zenvo in Forza Horizon 3 or 4, can't remember which one, but when I saw the wing tilt as I went round corners I was like "whoa wtf"
Same lol me and my friend were challeging eachother and he suggested we try the Zenvo
Boy were we surprised 😂
It was 4, I don't think zenvo was in 3
Yup, it's the 4th game. I tried making a race tune with it
I have it in forza horizon 5 now. I was very surprised when i seen it move. Found it very hard to drive as well
@@LegitDucks thing was a weapon in s1 for Goliath in FH4...
The interesting thing about a movable wing like that is the way it adds traction to the inner rear tire. It’s not pushing down more on the inside tire. It’s actually sucking the entire rear end into the corner. A rear wing on a car is an inverted airfoil that pushes down perpendicular to the width if the wing. If you tilt it at a crazy angle then you can I react that force into the turn instead of straight down. This allows for more traction and greater rotation in the corner, creating higher speeds cornering speeds. There reason you don’t really see it in other cars is because of aesthetics and it’s complexity. It is what happens when a small car company is willing to take a risk and try something new.
Yeah driven media's takes are ussually pretty basic honestly.
Any gains you get from lateral aero force aren't as important as downforce. Racing tyres can have a coefficient of friction as high as 1.7. You could either have 100N of lateral force from aero or put that 100N into the ground and have 170N more lateral force.
It's a little counterintuitive, but tyres are so important to cars that the benefit of weight transfer is probably much more important than the lateral force gained from tilting the wing.
@@jonahgetz5882 It doesn't quite work like that because we are dealing with angles and the components of downforce involving sines and cosines. Using your given coefficient of friction of 1.7, if I havent fucked up, there's an ideal angle for the wing of around 30.5 degrees where the combined force of the tires and the aerodynamics of the wing is highest.
Zenvo eventually came back on TopGear and finished their lap. The car was about as fast around the TopGear track as your average family hatchback. They had a LOT of work to do back then.
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And now?
According to Wikipedia, the Zenvo did its lap while the track was very wet, so its a little misleading to compare it to similar lap times done on a dry track.
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Before even watching I'd say reliability seems like an issue, it just seems like another expensive thing that's going to break or get broken
It's a hypercar. It's already expensive. Reliability or practicality of the wing doesn't matter. It makes it special. That's all that matters.
@@RR-us2kp fair point
The development of specialty technologies only makes them cheaper and more practical!
Yea i think Lamborghini have a better take on this onw with their aero vectoring. This looks impractical.
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In the 1970-1980 Porsche had already coupled it kinematically to the suspension, which to this day is more fail-safe than electronic measurements and hydraulics. It was so successful that it was banned in motorsport at the time.
Which car? I’m curious to learn more
@@joldsaway3489
Just look up all the banned technologies from motorsports. As you'll see, many of those techs could be used in modern cars but for some odd damn reason is not.
@@joldsaway3489 Porsche 908 LH or the early 917 (1969)
@@Delimon007 brabham bt46 🥺
Cool story bro.
Cool video but you didn't answer the question, or really even attempt to.
4:46
@@brandongao3675 That is a non-argument because it's not inherent to the design but depends on how the wing is set up.
@@Aggnog okay but your original comment implied that they didn't "even attempt to" answer the question.
@@brandongao3675 I mean if the title of the video implies an explanation and the explanation is a 10 second assumption that's not really good enough.
4:58 SAI DE FRENTE, GUEDES!
wasn't at all expecting a Portuguese classic, here
That big hit from 2011 never gets old :D
I’ve kind of wondered why no cars have a flap on the side to create push towards the inside of the turn.
The Pagani Huayra has two rear and two front aero surfaces which do something similar: ua-cam.com/video/T1zXCAPbJYk/v-deo.html
Only car that comes to mind though, and I'm surprised it's not more common.
@@metadata4255 Thanks man!
Lamborghini aero vectoring does something similar
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@@alunesh12345 your voice is deep af, unlike your theology HAYOOOO I'll be here all week
This is brilliant, I can definitely see these getting used. Imagine having an active front spoiler to allow more force in the front aswell
Pagani right
4:57 classic portuguese "SAI DA FRENTE GUEDES!"
I still admire the active Aero on the 1990 Mitsubishi GTO/ 3000 . Not to forget about active suspension and 4wheel steering
4 wheel steering on that car suck ass.
But doesn't the Pagani Huayra act on the same premise ? With its Flaps both front and back ?
It’s, because if you drive around in this you will look like a total bellend!
So you claim the wing won't catch on, despite all the innovation of Zenvo, and yet have absolutely nothing to back up the claim? I understand channels need to pump out content but this is a pretty shitty idea for a video, don't you think?
I appreciate their effort but this simply looks incredibly goofy. Plain and simple. If I was in a position to buy this I'd rather get something more elegant.
Most people that buy those car do it to look better than other rich people.
You're saying that if you had that kind of money you wouldn't choose this one, but the people that are ready to spend this much on a car often do it so that they could say "pff, look at that looser with his fixed wing. It's so old, i wonder how anyone can still drive a fixed wing design" even though they probably can't do laps on a racetrack without actually dying
@@InformatrIIcks you dont know anything about people do you? Or ur just mad that it exists. Its not just snobbery,what ur saying is the mindset of Tesla owners,
@@InformatrIIcks People buy it because it's different, unique and supports a small rather new company they see potential in, kinda like Koenigsegg.
The problem with active aero (in racing at least) is that it increases the dirty air effect in the corners, and decreases the slipstream effect on the straights.
Cool story bro.
"Folding in the mirrors on Your fiesta doesn't count"
Whole of London is pissed now 😂
Is that really a thing?
Do they override the controls for the mirror?
@@redslate fiesta boys are desperate
Small innovative company, started with american engine, in house built, crashed on Top Gear. Damn they copied Koeningsegg step for step.
Where’s the next Nordic supercar maker? 😂
Another Callum video!!!!
i like how you gave us an entire history of active aero and told us everything about the zenvo wing except why it won't catch on...
Because they're worse than a horizontal wing on anything with reasonable performance tyres on. Angling the wing gives less improvement to cornering than just directing that through some sticky tyres that give you ~120-140kg of grip for every 100kg of downforce.
Plus they're heavier, less efficient and can cause stalling issues. Basically it's a one trick pony, it looks fancy, and nothing else.
@@Rippthrough makes sense
@@Rippthrough Yes I was just thinking that it it should be more effective to just do it the old way and make more downforce to give grip, and go even faster trough the corners...
4:20 NO! Anti-roll bars don't actually change the steady-state load transfer. This wing does.
Edit: yes changing the front or rear ARB without changing the other does move steady-state lateral load transfer forward or rearward, but the total amount is the same. This wing (and things like sharkfins, etc) change the total.
420
Would be good to see Mclaren bring out a new and improved version of the P1
That car is discontinued..
I really hope this works out well for zenzo I personally think the overall design of there cars are gorgeous so I hope they don’t fade away
Disregarding the potential benefits from shifting the weight balance, it sacrifices overall grip. For racing tires, the coefficient of friction is generally above 1, meaning its more efficient for the wing to push the tires into the ground and let the tires handle the cornering than for the wing to try and generate the necessary inwards turning force.
is theres some source that could explain this in depth?
@@Marz2695
No, this is basic racing knowledge. If you don't understand this then you don't understand basic racing or the dynamics of it. This is the simplest breakdown you're going to get.
The tyres can handle everything asked of them, the wing changing the weight shifting would just screw everything up and it also likely would not feel good to the driver who cannot predict what will happen.
@@Marz2695 You could probably find more information following some intro physics courses to get an idea of how friction relates to other forces. The more car specific stuff is somewhat covered on youtube channels like Kyle.Engineers and Engineering Explained.
@@Delimon007 This is such a poor attitude to go after someone with. Were you born with the knowledge of vehicle dynamics? Everyone has to start somewhere, so there is no point in jumping down someones throat for literally asking for places where they can learn more.
@@pyreaurum676 thank you for answering. I know its basic knowledge that downforce is better in a race car. and sure the cf for a big slick tyre might be >1 but what about superlight road/race cars or motorcycles with skinny tyres? my thinking is that the lighter the vehicle is and smaller the friction from the tyres, the greater benefit you have from sideforces, as the added downforce is not overloading the tyres
Zenvo just use that wing for handling by tilting the wing by up to 20 degrees, it can move downforce from side to side and increase cornering grip
I agree with Enzo. This aerodynamic shit is ruining racing. It really took back F1 and GT3 racing is heading down that path. Look at how much more downforce each new GT3 car is creating. Meanwhile. The little to no aero GT4 produce closer better racing. Fuck this aero shit. Good old engine power and braking and throttling skill. This flat out or little lift corners are too easy for drivers
You agree with him for different reasons. Aero is superior for performance so he's wrong. It's worse for racing though so if that was his point then he'd be right.
Anyone who ever owned a FIAT can tell you Italians CAN'T build engines. Honestly, what was Ferrari thinking when he said this? The world may never know.
“Aero is for those that can’t build engines” Enzo the clown Ferarri. A well aerodynamic car would destroy a car with double the power and no aero on a tight track. He was a pompous doushe
6:00 orientated? 🤔 I've been hearing this a lot more lately. Particularity from people from across the pond. 🤷♂️
Wing movement is just too slow for fast cornering and rapid changes of directions. That won't work, dead end bad design.
I like how people always assume shit won’t catch on..then shit does…opinions,opinions, they’re like assholes. Everyone has one!
Sweep it under the carpet and orientated were too annoying for me to follow along with this man.
It’s sweep it under the rug, at least the GIF was correct
It’s also oriented, not tated
This is not even that mental anymore. I'd like to see something on the level of the Dodge Tomahawk VGT movable aero done in real life.
I don't like that car the wing is stupid and doesnt make any sence in any and I don't like the look with the A frame under it looks like a cheap way of doing it imo
I wonder why they didn't just split the rear wing at the centerline and control each half separately. 🤔
The early 917s had moving flaps on their rear wings. They were connected to the rear suspension. The setup was banned because it was not "mounted to the body", and the cars were even less controllable as a result.
I find that hard to believe. All 911s have a ballast mounted to the transaxle to increase grip. With a racecar, you just add more weight where it's needed
@@luislongoria6621 -- Where did you hear that?? There's no ballast in a 911, except for the very very early ones that had a couple of lead weights in the front bumper.
Even when 911 racers are forced to add ballast by series rules, they add it in the most central and lowest place possible, generally bolted on top of the passenger side floor.
@@davedarling4316 The official explanation was to control vibration, but its mere presence suggests that more weight could be added without violating FIA homologation rules
This looks like it would induce a torque on the whole car opposite of the turn. The wing needs to be centered over the rear axle
so the title says it won’t catch on but then u said pagani and lamborghini are already doing it..
I dont think that it will lose grip on the front, cuz it is a force not a moment, it wont cause weight transfer, just add more downforce in total, only directionaly
could cause understeer nonetheless as the back would be pushed toward the inside of the corner
@@saltyitalianguy3243 and as the inside tires get more grip thus creating more friction on the inside of the car it will contribute to more understeer.
Depends on where the wing is on the car in relation to the rear axle. If it's placed behind it will create a moment with the rear axle as the pivot, and it will lift the front of the car slightly. If the wing is directly above or in front of the rear axle it won't have the same effect.
@@tacticalpotato5665 Yes, but the whole point is to prevent the inner wheel sliping, not putting so much force on it that it kicks out the front axle. Im sure the software takes care of it
@@tacticalpotato5665 Sure, but the lever is soo much shorter on that it is not important