Liitokala Lii-600 Unboxing, Overview & Comparison (to Lii-500 & 500s)
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- Опубліковано 15 січ 2021
- (Reupload to fix an error and add an update compared to original video)
Just a quick info video looking at the Lii-600, and giving an overview of it compared to the older Lii-500 and 500s.
______FAQ______
Q) Does the Lii-600 charge cells up to 4.25v like the Lii-500s?
A) No, Cell reading immediately after charging is 4.20v in my testing.
Q) How accurate is the temperature sensor on the Lii-600?
A) good enough, but it is offset to the top of the cell, and the hottest part tend to be the center of a cell, so it will always be a few degrees off. But, its better than nothing.
______Data on the 3 chargers______
Lii-500:
Input: 12v/2a
Output: 4.2v/1.48v
Lithium: 300/500/700/1000mAh*4
NiMh: 300/500/700/1000mAh*4
5v usb: 1000mAh
Lii-500s:
Input: DC12V/3.0A
Output: 4.2v/1.48v
Li-Ion: 500/700/1000mA *4, 2000mA *2
Ni-MH: 500/700/1000mA*4
5v usb: 1000mAh
Discharge: 250/500 mAh
Lii-600:
Input: 12v/5a
Output: DC 4.2 v / DC 1.48 v
Lithium: (250mA / 500mA /1000mA
/1500mA / 2000mA / 3000mA)* 4
NiMH: (250mA / 500mA /1000mA) * 4
Discharge current: 250/500/750mAh
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Excelent review and comparision! Everything clear and just what i needed 👍👍
Its always good to see your videos, keep it up!
Cheers :)
I have the first two (Lii 500-Lii 500s) but the temperature-resistance reading is really interesting
great comparison Brother it was truly appreciated . We are looking forward about the repair mode and your other experience of your Lii-600
I always love the quick rundown. Thanks
Welcome :)
Thanks! I'd not heard of the Lii-600! It looks pretty good, too.
Glas it helped :)
I learned from you that the LI500 could change the charge program by holding down the mode button. LI600 looks nice but i don't charge very much and have also a Nitecore but only 500MAh charge but with repair function. Nice video!
Glad to help.
exactly the video i was searching for
Very good video !! Congratulations from Brazil.
Thank you very much!
Well done. Amazing Review!
Appreciate it :)
Your video was very helpful.
Thanks for the video. More battery and charger videos would be appreciated 👍
Glad to help :)
Hi, this is a common mistake I notice from different users. at 7:45 mAh is different from mA, mAh is capacity usually used for batteries. mA is for the current, in this case the charging current of the charger. Great vid tho, Keep it up. :)
Good catch, Thanks.
The same mistake is in the instruction manual for my 500 in the "Specific Parameters" section. It lists the charging current, and also the discharging current, in units of "mah." In the "Feature" section is lists the charging current correctly, in units mA. On another subject, it took me awhile to figure out what a "nor" capacity test was. Turns out it just means the normal test for battery capacity, as opposed to the fast test.
@@soilmanted Thanks. I was wondering about the 'nor' too.
You can also keep the screen on holding any battery selection button for few seconds, you will see a blink on the screen and then you have it. The things I hate is the beep sound, and that you can't read the screen when the backlight is off. Also, you have the discharge option but not the minimum discharge voltage, which is helpful for storage the batteries for long time, also some brands allows less discharge voltage than others. well, it's ok. regarding the power supply it's very noisy. Regards.
Thanks for making a great video,
I have the 400 I have had it ages and it works well. I am thinking of buying the 500
would it charge the 21700 protected cells? and does it do all 4 bays at 3amp?
Dear
I am very happy to see your video
You really explained everything very clear
If I watched your video two weeks ago I will buy 600s instead of my current charger 500s
Because the temperature sensor is amazing feature
I can't charge any battery more than 700 because it is getting too much hot
If there is a sensor for heat on 500s will help me to decide the suitable amber
Thanks again
God bless you
Glad it helped!
Weird how you often see more Russian than English reviews about these chargers.
Thanks for doing this one!
Yep,
That's what made me want to do this English one!
The Russians are notorious for writing reviews of stuff, they always have been since the beginning of time! Go on websites like aliexpress, And if it's electronics batteries flashlights clothing, etc. etc. you're going to find a lot of Russian reviews with pictures! I used to shuffle them back and forth in Southern California back in the 1980s from the docks of San Pedro to Los Angeles International Airport "LAX" you learn a lot of stuff on those trips and sometimes they have hours Left over between flights back home so we would hang out and talk, and they would always give you gifts for tips!
its not even for america. but it got here
@@mrpink3630 Well... i mean i did import it.
@@patrickmccleary1144
Being from Eastern Europe (Belarus)
When I need to repair anything(cars,any electronics just about anything) or compare anything on the net
I would go on Russian and English-speaking website to learn how to do it .
Saved myself a fortune.
But having to much information you need to be able to make the right decisions.
Western world told by the system to buy new and throw old/used away unfortunately
Thanks! this is what I'm looking for
glad to help.
Very useful thank you so much, I had no idea which one to buy considering there are also other models like PD4 and M4 something. However this hundred series assures me all I need to test my recycled batteries, I'm going for the 600 for it's repair mode and temperature sensor and the overall improvement, thanks!
Now the next research will be which DIY proyectos suitable for this batteries
Glad it helped you!
Excellent review my dear friend, worthy of subscription. There is another Liitokala model called Lii - S6, having six slots. Could you do a review on it as well?. What are the similarities or differences in features and functions of it with those of Lii- 500, Lii 500s and Lii- 600?
Good Morning. Do the 21700 batteries fit comfortably into the Lii 600?
Helpful video- thanks. One correction: the term for charging current is milliamps, not milliamp-hours. So the Lii500 has charging current of 1000 milliamps. It can do that forever, so it's milliamp-hour capacity is infinite. A 2000 mah battery can deliver 500ma for 4 hours, or 1000ma for 2 hours, etc. Mah is a capacity term - it's current, in milliamps, times the time that current can be delivered.
Thanks.
Yes I realized that I said that after I posted the video already. Simple mistake.
Hope the rest of the video helped though :)
@@Orvis25 It's a very helpful video - I ordered the Lii-600 immediately after watching it.
Would it not be best to first state what are the important functions to have in a charger/analyzer?
Very good, could you please kindly review liitokala lii4m with other models
Nice to see a video about these chargers in a language I can understand :)
Is there a way to disable the automatic screen shutdown during charging on the Lii-600S? And from what I understood the Lii-500 did not have this feature?
I believe there is, its referenced in the manual, but I cant remember off the top of my head.
Think it's just a log press on the channel button to turn off screen off mode or something like that.
according user manual on 3-3, it says that long touch any channel button to control LCD normal on or off.
I have 2 of the 500 and a 500s but does that new one let you do like lithium iron phosphate since it says lithium ion 3.7v and also is it still just 500mah discharge because i also bought an opus for lifepo4 batteries and it can discharges at 1 amp which should make the whole process that much faster and be more of a load is probably a better test with these used cells but i only have 1 and the number are a little different also the 500s usually gives me a little hight capacity but it also slightly obercharges ill see 4.21 often after taking the batteries out so it might be a problem with mine so i primarily just use the original lii-500
I just received my Liitokala Lii-600 today that I purchased because of your great review. The features are just as you said and are much better then many of the other chargers on the market now. I'm somewhat a beginner to the lithium ion battery field but have had an extensive electronics currer. I chose a my first charger the Miboxer C4 charger and have had good luck with it but I wanted to step up to a better model and your review helped me make that decision. So thanks for the information and keep up the good work.
Glad it helped.
Does this charge and balance the batteries as well?
perfect review ty
Glad to help
That temperature sensor is interesting, but I wish they used physical buttons. Touch buttons on chargers and other gadgets are usually cheap and will either randomly fail to register input or stop working after a while.
I'll keep searching for a better alternative. It's such a shame. This charger would be perfect if it wasn't for the touch buttons.
I noted the Lii600 has a percent indication of the total charge capacity, an estimation of the internal resistance , besides the estimation of the temperature of the cell. The best chice at the time.
Li 500 already has the estimated internal resistance. I own one.
got the Lii-600 for some time now, but recently it melted a AAA battery and destroyed the charging bay (for one battery)... the battery melted and the so did the charging bay... so much for the temperature reading/security
Yup their is always a catch on something cheaper device with tons of features. they are mostly cheap out the components. i have lii-s4 before and just malfunctioning in less than 6 months of light used and near to destroy my eneloop pros. better to stay away from liitokaak than sorry.
@@ibringthelastwords1358 I'm looking for a new charger after my EBL roasted my Eneloop at a scorching 155°F as measured by my thermocouple. I was surprised it still worked fine after, not losing any time running my flashlight on high. But I can't imagine it could survive such abuse regularly and I've probably shortened its life.
What current were you charging at?
@@awnman1772 When 4 batteries are in it's supposed to charge only at 500 ma. My guess is it was charging at its max rate of 2 amps in that single slot after the other slots stopped drawing power.
@@awnman1772 it's doing that automatically, being a AAA battery my guess is 1,32V but I didn't check.
And why lii-600 in discharge mode shows 87% but in other modes 57%?
which models can take 21700 cells?
So did the Lii-600 charger got 18650 cells of you repaired? Did it work?🤔
Does it still run? No problems with the touch buttons yet?
At test mode, the 18650 battery reached 7,700mAh. Does anyone's know why?
But the battery temperature 37c.
Looks similar to the vapcell s4+ minus the touch buttons. that is why i have doubts on buying these chargers because they are just made by oem factories of some kind. And I am not a fan of big bulky power bricks as they can take spaces on my table.
Have you tried using the 600 for 32650 lifepo4 batteries?
Don't think this supports 3.2V or 3.3V nominal cells
Good video
Thanks
Hey, I was looking to buy one of these. Do you think the Lii-600 is worth on top of the 500s? Did the 600 give you touch problems?
have not had issues with the 600 yet.
@@Orvis25 thanks for your response!
@@RedPixels_ no problem.
Thank you for your review. I want to ask if you get a hissing noise from the power adapter of the LiitoKala Lii-600 while charging? Mine is very noisy.
I have not used mine for quite a while (barrowed to a friend) but from what I remember, it does not make any noise.
If you are using all slots and charging at a high amp, maybe that is why (high stress), I usually slow charged my cells at low amps.
Thank you for your prompt reply. Even with a single battery and low amp charging, it make noise. When the LCD is off the sound is quite but if I awake the LCD the sound increases.
@@showmak not sure my man.
Maybe just a noisy capacitor. Sometimes happens. Shouldn't hurt Anything if it's working, but you can always RMA it.
@@Orvis25 Thanks my friend, appreciate it.
Boss, For A Lii-600, If We Set Auto Charging Current, The Current Will Keep Charging Or The Current Will Stay Same From The Start Untill The Battery Is Full?
Auto charge will fluctuate a bit depending on Tempature and some other stuff. Manual should be constantly the same.
At least if I remember correctly
the best 21700 charger I've found so far
the only negative is it can't take protected 21700 cells at 72mm max supported cell size (most protected 21700 are around 75mm, the ones with usb port even more)
Thanks for the info! I will add this to the FAQ in the description :)
You might try using wire "clip" leads(note1) with nickel-plated neodymium magnets to connect to the unit's contacts the cell(s) that don't fit into the slots. I suggest Keep currents below 1000mA to reduce high current point contact which could damage the nickel-plating.
Remember, however, that not using the slots keeps the cells from being monitored by the temp sensors. *Regardless of connections used, never charge/discharge cells without supervision*
(note1) Use high quality leads. Many of the cheaper leads sold online do NOT solder the wire to the clip and are often barely electrically connected to the clip. I've even found leads that were electrically connected to the clip by only TWO STRANDS of the copper wire and held in place ONLY by a crimp. All remaining strands were shielded from the metal clip by insulation. You can usually inspect this connection point by temporarily pulling down the plastic shroud that surrounds the clip, then push it back into position when through inspecting. When they need "repair" in addition to crimping I also solder the wires to the clips.
VC4SL or VC8 take just about anything.
I have some AAA rechargeable batteries that dont get detected by the lii-500 model. Any idea why ? They are alkaline
Alkaline are not rechargeable. They are a desposible type of battery. .
@@Orvis25 AA + AAA Rechargeable AA 1.5V 3800mAh / 1.5V AAA 3000mah Alkaline Battery Flashlight Toys Watch MP3 Player Replace Ni-Mh Battery
What the title said
@@parranoic then the box lied?
basic google search my friend. Alch. batteries are not supposed to be recharged. Sometimes you can get lucky and reuse them once or twice before they leak, but they are not designed to be rechargeable.
Do you have a decent multimeter with which you can measure the voltage of the cells directly after the charger has finished?
The 500S got criticized for charging up to 4.25V which really is the upper limit for Li-Ion.
I would be happy if the 600 charges closer to 4.20V
Tested it with a cell today.
10 seconds after it finished, voltage on the 18650 cell was 4.20v
Hope it helps
(Added to description FAQ)
@@Orvis25 That's awesome!
Thanks for confirming
My 500S charges over 4.20 and slot 1 goes as high as 4.23V. My biggest grip was slots 1 and 4 constantly giving higher capacity than two and three when using the same cells. Turns out it has what I consider a pretty big flaw in the discharge current
ua-cam.com/video/nuWNB14GtUE/v-deo.html
Can you switch the temperature from Celsius to Fahrenheit ?
I don't recall, and i don't have it with me anymore. Sorry friend.
Which of the three is compatible with the 21700 battery?
All of them. I have Lii-500 and I often charge 21700 batteries.
não percebi se o 500s possui medidor de resistência interna? o 500 tem, o 500s seria pior? grato...
Buy the 500 over the 500s if you need a resistance meter estimate, If you dont care, but the 600. IMO, the 600 is worth the money over the 500s.
Battery 2 went from 57% to 74% in just 15 seconds? Am I missing something?
Wich one is better. The 500 or 500s? Because I read about touchcreen issues.Thanks already. And can they do AAA and AA?
I recommend the 500 over the 500s for general use (more durable) but a major down side compared to the 500s is it lacks a discharge mode.
On the other hand, the 500s died on me after less than a month of use (touch screen went out).
@@Orvis25 haha yeah that is lame man and less quick with charging. But durabilty over functions and power I guess man
@@Orvis25 but it works on AAA and AA batteries also?
@@punisher288 Been trying to get a replacement, but Liitokala email support has never replied in a week, and the Chinese seller is of corse worthless in terms of customer service. So, buy the touch screen model at your own risk i guess.
@@Orvis25 yes true . The 500 is more well done . Nice video . I want to upgrade but I think no worth .
The 600 has a brick the other @ 4:56 is generally referred to as a wall wart.
Ha, I like that :P
Lii-600 the internal resistance its wrong .
I have found a technical problem.
When measuring the internal resistance of the batteries it shows the maximum 116 mΩ.
So measuring the internal resistance with another instrument shows a larger number, for example 150 mΩ.
So there is a technical problem and it counts wrong.
I have read in other videos that it has that problem, that it does not measure the resistance well and that in the 500 that did not happen, also that the touch can fail as it happened to the 500s the truth makes me sad because I thought that the 600 would be better, it will be time to wait for a 600s to see if they solve those problems
Almost every charger is like this. In the Opus you have to deduct 30 milliohms for the resistance of the sliders which AFAIK is the only company that was nice enough to do the measurement for you and include the figure in the manual. So far I think Xtar chargers (minus the VP4 Plus) have the best ballpark DC IR. The number gets MUCH more reliable if you put the cell in the slot and immediately push the negative contact up towards the positive contact. I get readings with a 1 or 2 milliohm difference by doing it that way. The VP4 Plus has four wire probes so the accuracy is almost as good as a YR-1035+ or the likes.
Hey buddy thanks for the review so i have 500s so i cant decide should i buy 600 what do you think? What should i do?
If you own a 500s, I dont think buying a lii-600 is worth it, unless you want to sort your batteries by an internal resistance estimate.
@@Orvis25 i think the only differences are The temperature control and 3amp charge right?
@@muratkuter if you watch the video, the main differance between the 500s and 600 are higher charge rate, IR estimate, battery recovery mode, and temperature sensor.
@@Orvis25 I watched your video to times but I couldn’t get the exact differences between them
@@muratkuter I just explained it, and, you can also check the description :)
i spent ALOT of time writing up the different specs.
How reliable is the battery resistance that the chargers shows?
not very. Id say its a good "estimation" with +/- 20% accuracy.
@@Orvis25 20% that's bad, a shame, if they would get it right they would have even a real selling point.
Can it discharge at 1A? The previous ones could not.. that's why I am running the OPUSes instead.. as they can discharge 4 batteries at 1A.
750mah max discharge (per slot).
I put it in the description man, read them.
Spent like an hour re-typing and translating the spec data for a reason.
@@Orvis25
In the specs from the description, what does the ‘*’ indicate in the charging specs? I have the Lii-600 and can’t find anything in the manual to tell me what that ‘*’ means.
Is 3000mA available on all 4 slots? Can’t find that info in the manual either, but I might have missed it.
@@speedlever the charge/discharge per slot. *4 means on all 4 slots.
@@Orvis25
So the Lii-600 supports 4x3A = 12A charging?
For some reason I had it in my mind that only the outside channels (1&4) supported 3A charging. But I can’t find it in the manual. I may have it confused with other chargers I’ve viewed on YT. 🤷
@@speedlever Supposedly if I translated it correctly. I never charge my cells faster than 1A though anyway to get longer life spans out of them.
I believe the Lii-600 is OEM'd by "XSL", you can see the logo in in the casing if you look at the holes in the vents!... The test mode on the Lii-600 doesn't appear to be nearly as good... I also don't like the inability to keep the backlight on, or the fact that the labels in the display don't line up with the buttons so it's not very clear which cell is selected.
You can keep the display on all the time by holding and long-pressing channel 1 button. It is shown in a Russian video. So you can switch between always-on and auto-power-off modes of the display.
better to stay away from them. i have the lii-s4 before and just malfunctioning in less than a year with just light used of.
@@ibringthelastwords1358 Perhaps... that said, I have 2 Engineer Lii-500's as well as an Engineer Lii-600 and a Lii-202... and I've not had any problems.
@@JamesLewis The 500S has a serious flaw. Outside slots discharge at 500ma but inside slots discharge at 470ma. Check out my vidoe
ua-cam.com/video/nuWNB14GtUE/v-deo.html
Does it take 21700?
Feel free to watch the video and pause at the close up of all the cells supported.
Hope it helps :)
What do you recommend، lii 500s or lii 600??? I need the answer, Does it read internal resistance???
You should watch the video.
I answer both of those questions.
@@Orvis25 I don't understand English well, I write and use translation
@@sidougouaich6556lii 600 is best, and can also give a internal resistance estimate
@@Orvis25 thank u very mutch bro
liitokala lii 600 vs lii m4s ?
Hi. This charger has annoying noises?
None of them have made any noises for me. All are silent.
Liito Kala does not use a fan like Opus...which is kinda concerning now that they are up to 750ma discharge current. Would explain why they choose to include the temp sensors 🤣
Can the 500 take a 21700?
Yup. But the max charging current is 1A. So, a 5000mAh battery will take upto 5 hours to charge.
I got my it worked ok then after a few changes it was powering down!!! Maybe I got a defective one !!!!
sorry to hear :(
Hi friend... Do you know the maximum limit of temperature sensor of LiitoKala Li-600 to STOP and avoid explosion???
I have one battery with 61° C at this momment in test mode, it is VERY HOT and I need to sleep, but dont want to stop the test. Kkkkk
Sorry, I'm not sure of the limit and I currently don't have it anymore. Maybe the manual that came with yours says.
@@Orvis25 you do not have the 600 any more? What happened/where did it go?
in the Opus 60 is the limit. Cells should never really go over 60 anyways. That's often the high temp cutoff for cells that have a discharge rating based on temp.
If you have a power brick that "plugs into the wall" all you have to do to convert it to a "laptop" style power supply is to buy an extension cord for $1.29 US. 18 gauge 2-prong cord will do the trick.
you could, but id rather manufactures just use common sense and stop irritating customers with archaic design choices that take up to much outlet space. :P
@@Orvis25 I agree. It would be nice if I didn't have to spend an extra $1.29 US on a 2 meter extension cord. Also looking at the Lii-600, it looks a lot better, overall, than either the 500 or the 500S. I'm having "buyers remorse for making an impulse buy of a 500 when for less than twice as much I could have gotten a 600. I know that sounds sarcastic but I'm not trying to be sarcastic. 500 was $30 from a nearby seller (2 days to ship) while a 600 from such a seller would have cost me about $50. My guess is that sellers are wanting to clear out their older stock of 500's so they are making the price lower. I do like the black LCD letters with the simple white back light better that the orange LCDs that are in the later models. Same goes for the push buttons rather than touch-screen buttons.
@@soilmanted Nah i didnt take your comment as sarcastically attacking me or nothing. Your good.
Which is better, Lii-M4 or Lii-500?
have not owned an M4 so i could not tell you.
for aa batteries you may need to charge current of 200 to 400, 500 is could be high , so I dont recommend this if you are charging aa, aaa batteries.
Good advice!
Yes it depends on the battery, but i generally don't go above 500,
I don't get this:
With the 600 in charge mode it says 51%
Then you switch to discharge mode and it says 80%
So what does this percentage reading display?
If it's capacity something's wrong because it should be the same for both modes.
Honestly I have no clue, I assume it has something to do with the discharge drain not be calculated correctly when measuring the voltage.
I have not had any issues with it yet however.
Hi a little confused when you say a maximum of 1000 Mah hours when the batteries you can place in may be a 21700 with 4500mah,
I obviously not understand could you please tell me what you mean please
im not sure what part you are specifically talking about, but i probable meant that the maximum charging speed in that mode (or whatever) was 1000ah
I like the easily readable yellow text on them. I don't care for having a power brick connected to one though. Thats ridiculous.
Lii 600 have one minus ... we cant see all batteries in one time
On the back of my Lii-500 it says "apply only in the inner region." Glob bless google translate.
looks like a "Qualiy" product for sure lol
Lii-600 is widely known to fake-report the internal resistance of batteries. Here showing 116 mOhm which is absurd.
Ffs... Bought the 500s yesterday
Well, as long as it does not break, its still somewhat an improvement over the Lii-500.
@@Orvis25 i hopr you just had bad luck your touchpanel
If the video is not promotional why do not you indicate that the new versions do not support nor test, So there is really nothing to do with the new product other than a usual charge
I do not know what you mean, because the lii-600 DOES support NOR testing, it's just called "test" now. I even showed it on camera.
From what I understood from the company at Ali Express they warned me that this is not the same test
@@shahar.shemer then they miss advised you because it is still charges -> discharges -> recharges each cell to take a capacity test.
If I understood correectly they just add temp sensor and increase price in 2 times.
They also drastically increased charge rate on each channel.
In my experience so far, the lii-600 is only $10 more than the lii-500 also, so not 2x.
(check description)
@@Orvis25 lii-500 = 20$ and lii-600 = 39$
@@m1nusasusplus897 Well like i said, that's in my experience.
I still think it is a good upgrade over the 500 (minus the touch screen)
@@Orvis25 unfortunately, no, awful device. You can open this review and scroll down to comment section and use translator ua-cam.com/video/pLYp2XZnYg8/v-deo.html
Device has many weird issues. For example temp sensor shows you wrong temperature and do not stop charging at all, even if you use thermo gun and increase temp up to 80°
@@m1nusasusplus897 to be fair, I expected the temperature sensor to be inaccurate, since its offset at the positive end of the cell (vs center).
If your comment on no heat shutoff protection is true, I am surprised it did not stop the charging process, but I cant verify. Imo, dont leave lithium charging/discharging unsupervised anyway, and check periodically.
The IR is much more accurate at ball parking than the old 500 (but still not perfect).
I think for the right price it is a good upgrade over the 500.
My only major dislike in touch screen (I prefer buttons)
非常垃圾的一款充电器，我买了，不值这个价格。
Sorry to hear :(
It suck! The battery will leak after charging and the unit will complete damage when the leakage enter inside, don't buy this sucker charger