THE POWER OF CHAMBER - Best Tricks & 200 IQ Outplays - VALORANT

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  • @VALORANTProtatomonster
    @VALORANTProtatomonster  3 роки тому +39

    Hope you guys enjoyed this video! Congratulations to EliteShooter 1599 who won the giveaway from the last episode!

  • @Phyzzl
    @Phyzzl 3 роки тому +667

    The best part of Chamber is the amount of out playability, on both attack and defense

    • @zacharytan5916
      @zacharytan5916 3 роки тому +20

      **Yoru crying in the corner*

    • @rahuljoshi1746
      @rahuljoshi1746 3 роки тому +12

      Only in iron lobby*

    • @valorantthesecond6387
      @valorantthesecond6387 3 роки тому +1

      @@vedant9122 Ye

    • @Ankit-rk4hq
      @Ankit-rk4hq 3 роки тому +9

      Finally another agent who can take aggressive peeks with operator and even adds verticality like jett

    • @TriagonalToast
      @TriagonalToast 3 роки тому +1

      Agreed I just hope they don’t change him like crayz

  • @cjnogodula
    @cjnogodula 3 роки тому +85

    Valorant: *has an OP-Jett problem*
    Chamber: "How about I just fuck this whole thing up"

  • @Zokni56
    @Zokni56 3 роки тому +56

    I love how chamber talks like a gentleman but when he kills with the ult he just shoutin like a hyperactive kid

  • @sandromaspindzelashvili5767
    @sandromaspindzelashvili5767 3 роки тому +384

    I think his detection bots are heavily underestimated.
    Imagine the bot and a nanoswarm, no need to put a alarmbot there when chambers ability is detects and slows so basically guaranteed kill or heavy damage.
    You can also use smokes and the bots detection range to your advantage, put a smoke, and the bot inside it, when it detects someone just spray your bullets through the smoke +they are slowed which makes it hard to get to safety.
    It's just very good, basically automated sage orbs

    • @leftyl_
      @leftyl_ 3 роки тому +6

      Ikr on weird maps like breeze and icebox a single one can cover flank and you dont need to be in range, on defence its not only good for info like a cypher trip but really easy to kill off of if theyre slowed, and offensively it is an easy way to gain map control especially seeing how quiet it is (say its ascent and youre lurking A main while your team wants to pull a mid to A hit, you can peek and throw down a bot and have a tp outside of main and its easy main control allowing you to go with your team down cat)

    • @naomisilvera
      @naomisilvera 3 роки тому

      Wow niice nicce

    • @leftyl_
      @leftyl_ 3 роки тому

      @@B1inded3agle__ thing with the trademark tho is that it slows and anyone stuck in the open that is slowed is free, vulnerable doesnt really matter if you still aim for head anyways

    • @pratheekec
      @pratheekec 3 роки тому

      U just had to tell the last line lol

    • @leftyl_
      @leftyl_ 3 роки тому

      @@B1inded3agle__ i get what ur saying but the issue is that kj bot doesnt pop vulnerable right away and it usually makes people run away until the debuff is gone

  • @Lime-rr6zf
    @Lime-rr6zf 3 роки тому +143

    14:01 Ah yes, this truly shows Chamber's potential to outplay any player even in Radiant.

    • @GenocideLv
      @GenocideLv 3 роки тому +9

      reality vs expectations when trying to play this wonky game

    • @billionblue3036
      @billionblue3036 2 роки тому

      @Lime it depends on how good the chamber is

  • @dificulttocure
    @dificulttocure Рік тому +104

    Amazing this new agent Chamber, I hope he never gets nerfed....

    • @uki2846
      @uki2846 Рік тому +1

      @@apocritus2900 :)

    • @syarianefi
      @syarianefi Рік тому +9

      You wanna sit down for this, bud

    • @joblessgamer3127
      @joblessgamer3127 Рік тому +3

      He got Nerfed so much

    • @bennamaru
      @bennamaru 11 місяців тому +4

      Welp this didn't age well

    • @vf6133
      @vf6133 9 місяців тому +2

      Lmao

  • @Orneji
    @Orneji 3 роки тому +33

    My favorite part about Chamber is everything, his insane teleportation, his free operator a sheriff with a scope and also the amazing plays that can be used with Chamber!

    • @Vaxedia
      @Vaxedia 2 роки тому

      His voice 😏😏

  • @briangonzales1162
    @briangonzales1162 3 роки тому +80

    5:28 It was a demonstration play Riot showed before the agent's release...

    • @xrumich
      @xrumich 3 роки тому +2

      lol i knew it

    • @okamisaiai5459
      @okamisaiai5459 3 роки тому +12

      LMAO this channel so dumb

    • @miki-xq5bi
      @miki-xq5bi 3 роки тому

      @@okamisaiai5459 what's dumb about it being included..? lol

    • @King_Andrew
      @King_Andrew 3 роки тому +1

      @@okamisaiai5459 C' mon... it's just a clip of Jonas reacting, not a big deal what's dumb?

  • @thatstaringguy8759
    @thatstaringguy8759 3 роки тому +14

    15:47 enemy chamber: lemme sneak pass enemies while being slowed

  • @GamalKevin
    @GamalKevin 3 роки тому +230

    Then again, the agent might be impressive out of the box, but it still take a good player to maximise his utility. I had one random queue this morning, and the Chamber player simply bottom frags while contributing little to nothing to the game. 😂

    • @dirtydeedsdirtcheep3007
      @dirtydeedsdirtcheep3007 3 роки тому +53

      People seem to think he's a duelist when he is meant to hold down positions

    • @notaduelist9565
      @notaduelist9565 3 роки тому +25

      shii that might've been me

    • @nashhannash9040
      @nashhannash9040 3 роки тому +34

      Well it takes time to master every single Agent anyways. I don't think Chamber is an exception.

    • @samuelrodrigues2206
      @samuelrodrigues2206 3 роки тому +4

      that might have been me but i clutch and became 2nd best fragger

    • @brokentempest4268
      @brokentempest4268 3 роки тому +4

      Chamber is a sentinel that hold down site with your aim skill level

  • @yplayergames7934
    @yplayergames7934 3 роки тому +23

    The ult moments, specially the ace or four kills ones, they were very satisfying

    • @VALORANTProtatomonster
      @VALORANTProtatomonster  3 роки тому

      Congratulations! You've won the giveaway from this episode. Email us at giveaways@protatomonster.com in order to verify and redeem your prize!

    • @yplayergames7934
      @yplayergames7934 3 роки тому

      @@VALORANTProtatomonster I had emailed you man, for a few minutes ago

    • @Mr_X64
      @Mr_X64 2 роки тому

      @@yplayergames7934 what did u win dude😅

  • @BlackmagikTF2
    @BlackmagikTF2 3 роки тому +48

    I see this agent as having an extremely fast-paced fighting style. His Sheriff deploy time is very fast and not to mention that awp. If he ever gets nerfed, lets hope that awp speed never get touched
    the awp speed got nerfed so hard

    • @UR1ZEN
      @UR1ZEN 2 роки тому

      He did got nerfed :(

    • @ItzGlorious
      @ItzGlorious 2 роки тому

      THE OP SPEED DIDNT GET NERFED WOOOO

    • @Novactix
      @Novactix 2 роки тому +1

      This aged like milk

  • @muscatti
    @muscatti Рік тому +6

    R.I.P Chamber, you will be missed

  • @hunterr.2333
    @hunterr.2333 3 роки тому +34

    I love his ult! It's an OP v2.0 and it sounds awesome when using it. I was only a bit salty when I got deleted by it like 3 times in one game

    • @ryuishisama5149
      @ryuishisama5149 3 роки тому

      Better than OP

    • @tabsirsafin9337
      @tabsirsafin9337 2 роки тому +3

      Its more of an actual awp like CS with instant zoom (even faster chocking speed)

  • @viziiiiiiiiii
    @viziiiiiiiiii 3 роки тому +20

    5:28 -This is Riot's demonstration of Chamber's Utilities and AverageJonas is reacting to it lmao.
    11:38 -Is there an audio whenever Chamber teleported? If there is, it seems that the Skye didn't hear it and she's SO CLOSE. Lmao.
    14:01 -idk
    3:53 -I like this clip! I think Chamber leans more towards predictions and this clip clearly shows that. The way that he places the teleport in advance as an escape is a BIG BRAIN.
    Chamber needs good aim, without it, it's almost useless.

    • @mannydatboy
      @mannydatboy 3 роки тому +2

      Lmaooo that clip at 11:38 is me and there is an audio queue she must’ve just been too concentrated 😂

    • @frano7172
      @frano7172 3 роки тому +3

      @@mannydatboy There is an audio queue, but it sounds in the place where you activated the E, not when you are in the next position

    • @lobsterfulyes9652
      @lobsterfulyes9652 3 роки тому +2

      @@frano7172 wrong it plays audio cue in general area of next position so its not very exact

  • @hybui123
    @hybui123 3 роки тому +2

    Something about peaking around a corner on round 1 and seeing a well dressed Frenchman singlehanded wielding a hand cannon is just terrifying

  • @King_Andrew
    @King_Andrew 3 роки тому +2

    15:51 Ok... that was mind blowing and my favorite one! Omg... being able to aim with a luxurious sheriff seems really fun lmao

  • @shufflex3360
    @shufflex3360 2 роки тому

    15:48.. funniest part of the video...that chamber trying cross the entry over the slow trap knowing that he is dead in any minute

  • @reaprsxo
    @reaprsxo Рік тому +7

    God I miss this Chamber

  • @MeanMagikarp
    @MeanMagikarp 2 роки тому

    11:22 Pheonix Flashes him self 😂😂😂😂😂

  • @VALORANTProtatomonster
    @VALORANTProtatomonster  3 роки тому +182

    Chamber is KINDA POG?

    • @pranjalkushwaha4733
      @pranjalkushwaha4733 3 роки тому

      Yeah bruh!

    • @chriswhite491
      @chriswhite491 3 роки тому +1

      Chamber is really powerful because of his get-out-of-jail-free card, i predict if they dont nerf him he may replace or join jet in the comp meta.

    • @guygod753
      @guygod753 3 роки тому +1

      Yes

    • @whatamidoing6833
      @whatamidoing6833 3 роки тому

      If he is used properly, he is pog

    • @azulablue6988
      @azulablue6988 3 роки тому

      I'm seeing a lot in soc media clutching, acing and becoming match mvp while using chamber. But that's probably because people don't know how to counter him yet. For now, i do agree that he's in the upper half of the tier list.

  • @erevoman6961
    @erevoman6961 3 роки тому +5

    5:28 isn’t this exactly like the trailer? 😆
    Seems a bit too familiar

    • @briangonzales1162
      @briangonzales1162 3 роки тому

      Not the trailer, it was a demonstration play from Riot before the release.

  • @jargozle5393
    @jargozle5393 3 роки тому +2

    Chambers sounds like a dad who's trying to have fun with his kids

  • @kuruchin9
    @kuruchin9 10 місяців тому +2

    So here is the best chamber's trick: you need to shot people BEFORE they shot you.

  • @w..r.i.z.z
    @w..r.i.z.z 3 роки тому +2

    1:17 that flick was so fast we can't even see it

  • @MapleVal
    @MapleVal 3 роки тому +9

    I've have been using Chamber for like 2 days straight now, and I tell you, that agent is so fun. If you have a good aim you can just use his Sheriff like skill that can 1 tap a player even across the map. I hope riot don't change him, but if ever they Change him, I hope just a little bit.

    • @hellothere4558
      @hellothere4558 Рік тому

      I am from the future
      Unfortunately no one plays chamber anymore

  • @ahmadhussain8645
    @ahmadhussain8645 3 роки тому +4

    6:33 when Tom steps on Jerry's mousetrap

  • @rile7542
    @rile7542 3 роки тому

    4:00
    Yoru:Hey that's my thing

  • @s6mi
    @s6mi 3 роки тому

    0:30 bro that skye i would literally scream 💀

  • @呂面宿儺
    @呂面宿儺 9 місяців тому +3

    The old chamber was the king

  • @skin7715
    @skin7715 11 місяців тому +1

    When I use Chamber’s Ult and it says “They are So Dead”
    Instead of them dying, it’s me and my whole team dying 💀

  • @raycodes7393
    @raycodes7393 2 роки тому

    3:20 clip made me check all my USB ports to see if anything was loose

  • @roycevicedo6007
    @roycevicedo6007 3 роки тому +1

    That teleport grunt by Yoru at 3:49 was in sync with Chamber lol

  • @dhananjaykumar1548
    @dhananjaykumar1548 2 роки тому

    WHAT A TIMING OF CHAMBER SAYING ''YOU WANT TO PLAY LETS PLAY'' OP

  • @fakelawchannel3026
    @fakelawchannel3026 3 роки тому +25

    This remembers me the first day of Yorus release when you uploaded the same vid with Yoru. When people had no idea on how to play against him and make the agent look cracked. Now look where is Yoru.

    • @Saniyahhh1602
      @Saniyahhh1602 3 роки тому +5

      After some months chamber would be unselective, I'm damn sure

    • @UnixDZN
      @UnixDZN 3 роки тому

      @@Saniyahhh1602 indeed my guy

    • @iconicbakr6254
      @iconicbakr6254 3 роки тому

      @@Saniyahhh1602 why

    • @Saniyahhh1602
      @Saniyahhh1602 3 роки тому

      @@iconicbakr6254 Take a look at yoru and astra

    • @iconicbakr6254
      @iconicbakr6254 3 роки тому +2

      @@Saniyahhh1602 astra is very good agent

  • @gxms2768
    @gxms2768 3 роки тому +20

    Chamber really is the new Jett. Does he need a nerf straight after release? 🤔😂

    • @dirtydeedsdirtcheep3007
      @dirtydeedsdirtcheep3007 3 роки тому +6

      Remember Yoru

    • @dirtydeedsdirtcheep3007
      @dirtydeedsdirtcheep3007 3 роки тому +6

      Also theres a lot of plays that don't use any actual abilities

    • @sironen24
      @sironen24 3 роки тому +1

      I hope not, I don’t want people Insta locking and then not playing as a sentinel

    • @71nk94
      @71nk94 3 роки тому

      @@sironen24 too late.. they already are.

    • @Deoece
      @Deoece 3 роки тому

      if you can't aim, he's dogshit lmao

  • @doggedogge4598
    @doggedogge4598 3 роки тому

    9:17 OH MY 180 CHEESE AND CRACKERS THAT WAS OMEGA BONKERS

  • @tato5386
    @tato5386 3 роки тому +6

    I am hyped for all the amazing chamber plays coming up in the week of his release!

  • @rydengaming6749
    @rydengaming6749 3 роки тому +9

    my fav part of chamber that his sheriff is so good that u miss almost every shot
    Edit:when u scope

  • @destiny7269
    @destiny7269 2 роки тому

    ‘You want to play le’
    Me, a kayo main: NO ONE WALKS AWAY

  • @Dima_Sen_
    @Dima_Sen_ 3 роки тому +7

    Impressive man 😃😀

  • @radeonyt7470
    @radeonyt7470 2 роки тому

    Man I miss those days. I didn't start playing till about a few weeks to a month after this vid came out, but I still miss overpowered Chamber

  • @falcon3501
    @falcon3501 2 роки тому +2

    he is the pure definition "abilities doesnt kill"

  • @rory_hite
    @rory_hite 3 роки тому

    LOL THE SECOND AVERAGE JONAS ONE IS A TRAILER ABOUT CHAMBER LMAO 5:29

  • @jonathan-zo9nh
    @jonathan-zo9nh 3 роки тому +2

    14:28
    Best one so far

  • @devyphilip
    @devyphilip 2 роки тому +1

    The fact that i got a Chamber Ad when i watched this video lmao

  • @alameboredguy_940
    @alameboredguy_940 3 роки тому +4

    Me thinking someone left my discord call at 3:19

  • @Mothscrytoo
    @Mothscrytoo 3 роки тому +2

    BRO CHAMBER IS SO COOL LOOKING I personally love how he kinda fits in with cypher and kj because hes more modern and classy :]

  • @walalang9029
    @walalang9029 3 роки тому

    0:34 sheesh this guy is insane

  • @diegozambrano2185
    @diegozambrano2185 3 роки тому

    Me: Mom can we have Chamber?
    Mom: We have Chamber at home
    Chamber at home: tImE tO jUmP!

  • @qazifareed4360
    @qazifareed4360 3 роки тому

    9:30 my guy fr just asked him what is his ultimate lol

  • @vrooom71
    @vrooom71 3 роки тому

    Chamber: Teleporting Guy With Extra Slot

  • @fikrinsane
    @fikrinsane 3 роки тому +1

    chamber's ult is the real definition of op in pocket

  • @raihananwar02
    @raihananwar02 3 роки тому

    3:19 got me lol

  • @thevodkabottle6690
    @thevodkabottle6690 3 роки тому +1

    Chamber's best line
    I love this gun

  • @CallMeSaltyScorpion
    @CallMeSaltyScorpion 3 роки тому +1

    “What does my ult do?” Ah yes. Let me play a agent without knowing what they do

  • @plaggomg22yt
    @plaggomg22yt 2 роки тому

    6:27 this is satisfying

  • @Omega-ci4bq
    @Omega-ci4bq 3 роки тому +1

    LMAOO THE CLIP AT 5:40 IS FROM THE GAMEPLAY GIVEN BY RIOT LMAOOO

    • @cromestone1684
      @cromestone1684 3 роки тому

      Ohh so that dude was reacting to it makes sense why his hands weren't moving

  • @blazeroman9590
    @blazeroman9590 3 роки тому +1

    at 3:20 we all went to check our discrods

  • @siveshsingh4729
    @siveshsingh4729 3 роки тому +2

    The best part of chamber according to me is how he can teleport instantly after killing. The enemy wont even know where he is gonna fire from next. And you get a free operator like gun from his ultimate. And most importantly he is so cool.
    edit: the killing and teleporting is really the best part.

  • @_SomilPuri
    @_SomilPuri 3 роки тому +1

    Best part of chamber:- He have a chance to have an operator (his ultimate ability) on eco rounds.

  • @juliennecarloalmeida5933
    @juliennecarloalmeida5933 3 роки тому

    AverageJonas with another big brain plays. Loved his lineups and smart geometry with Sova, now with those TPs? Damnnnn!!!

  • @StalwartGamingFromYouTube
    @StalwartGamingFromYouTube 3 роки тому +1

    Chamber is an overpowered agent for good yoru players and the ones with good aim and powerful PC.

  • @RipNyxified
    @RipNyxified 3 роки тому

    Yoru after Chamber came:
    I used to rule the outplay kingdom

  • @L1ght10
    @L1ght10 3 роки тому

    5:20 perfect example of "abilities in Valorant don't kill"

  • @mesmxrizes
    @mesmxrizes 3 роки тому +1

    yo Daddy Chamber is here. 0:22 clip is amazing how precise Chamber's teleportation really amaze me.

  • @bwkim3332
    @bwkim3332 3 роки тому

    3:18 I legit checked my discord whether if it was from the video or my computer XD

  • @extremepanda351
    @extremepanda351 3 роки тому

    My favourite thing about Chamber is the fact that he pretty much had an infinite teleport

  • @arup7615
    @arup7615 3 роки тому +53

    I don't think his rendezvous is quieter than yoru's, opponents look so clueless. Makes it look like an iron clip

    • @dirtydeedsdirtcheep3007
      @dirtydeedsdirtcheep3007 3 роки тому +18

      People just aren't used to it

    • @danielwoods3896
      @danielwoods3896 3 роки тому +5

      Ikr? I wish my enemies were this deaf

    • @alexepic3255
      @alexepic3255 3 роки тому +4

      You can't hear where he ends the teleports but from where did he teleport

    • @redache467
      @redache467 3 роки тому

      all of these vids are in plastic league

    • @cyberclash2814
      @cyberclash2814 3 роки тому +2

      You can only heat from where he teleports not where he goes

  • @ilikeeatingbutter3449
    @ilikeeatingbutter3449 2 роки тому

    chamber : teleports pretty much instanly
    me looking at yoru : youre still my favourite my boy its ok

  • @oryteraking9705
    @oryteraking9705 3 роки тому

    I LOVE THIS LINE!

  • @prajwalshinde7039
    @prajwalshinde7039 3 роки тому

    Competition for Jett as Oper 😂😂

  • @AD_RC
    @AD_RC 3 роки тому

    it's nice to see that in real plays chamber works almost like in the preview b roll we were feeding off for a couple of days last week

  • @benjaminvanderhoff7101
    @benjaminvanderhoff7101 3 роки тому

    the best part of chamber is that people practice flicks by instalocking

  • @HeardFurball852
    @HeardFurball852 3 роки тому +1

    0:30 my guy is using dollhar store ult

  • @shubhankarpaygude
    @shubhankarpaygude Рік тому +4

    Wtf chamber was so op ,now they have nerfed his teleportation.

  • @johnedrichviray8648
    @johnedrichviray8648 3 роки тому

    The best part of Chamber is that his abilities are so good that I can't choose this agent.

  • @Nothing-mf7ty
    @Nothing-mf7ty 3 роки тому +1

    Chamber is really a Sentinel? No way!!!

  • @GIOVANAXI
    @GIOVANAXI 2 роки тому +1

    I miss the two darts that slow the enemy 😮‍💨

  • @smileyface4939
    @smileyface4939 3 роки тому +11

    He is probably gonna get nerfed, i hope when they do nerf him it wont be so severe, cause he is genuinely a great agent

    • @Royquah
      @Royquah 3 роки тому

      he's a great agent but unfortunately, he will probably get nerfed to hell alongside jett just before champions

  • @r-kmaruf7401
    @r-kmaruf7401 3 роки тому +1

    fun fact : chamber's TP is my favorite because, its actually faster than jett's dash and u can TP to an exact location u want

  • @caspyberry4951
    @caspyberry4951 3 роки тому

    breeze b site entry is probably the most scuffed universal entry if u don't have mid. Like universally, never goes according to plan

  • @pesmobile133
    @pesmobile133 3 роки тому

    My first time use that, so enjoyable i cannot wait for next match with Chambers

  • @lukemiller7552
    @lukemiller7552 3 роки тому

    Its gotta be his ultimate surely. Incoming ace clips using only his ulti lmao. There'll be enough to make a whole video just on them x'D

  • @viperdmk1483
    @viperdmk1483 3 роки тому +1

    Honestly love chambers style. Looks like he would be in a Luxury store like take for example Gucci or LV.

  • @swearslot5156
    @swearslot5156 3 роки тому

    1:56 play with deez nuts lol

  • @crunch_4707
    @crunch_4707 3 роки тому +1

    Fun fact: Chamber is the first "new" agent whose ult can actually kill.

    • @sayakdebnath8766
      @sayakdebnath8766 3 роки тому

      Raze : ;_;

    • @crunch_4707
      @crunch_4707 3 роки тому

      @@sayakdebnath8766 oh yeah, I forgot about her, but she was released just when the closed beta dropped, so I don't know if it still counts.

    • @ahgq7
      @ahgq7 3 роки тому

      @@sayakdebnath8766 he said that it was the first "new" agent

  • @bonhbozo2421
    @bonhbozo2421 3 роки тому

    The intro always get me hello guys awesome Joey here damnnnn

  • @FS_FARIS
    @FS_FARIS 3 роки тому +1

    I like chamber's teleport bc its quick and better

  • @wesleycangco9674
    @wesleycangco9674 3 роки тому

    I can see nerf striking from above⚡

  • @scp_gate_guardian9873
    @scp_gate_guardian9873 3 роки тому

    Best part of chamber is the fact that he is literally untradable especially with his teleportation really cool

  • @AdilKhan-uq2nm
    @AdilKhan-uq2nm 3 роки тому

    Chamber's tp is literally what Yoru's tp was supposed to be 😭

  • @tientrinh8184
    @tientrinh8184 3 роки тому

    Riot: Nerf Jett
    Also Riot: releases Chamber
    Me: Bruh

  • @NovasXXL
    @NovasXXL 3 роки тому

    thank you for putting me in the video

  • @abdulhai2849
    @abdulhai2849 3 роки тому +1

    His teleport is way fast . And having operator and vandal combo is so op . Like you don't even need to buy operator and enemy can't even take your op like damn.

  • @commanderbeastly8937
    @commanderbeastly8937 3 роки тому

    His rendezvous takes so long to get out of though

  • @404-Kiyo
    @404-Kiyo 3 роки тому

    0:38 sheesh

  • @spitzok7965
    @spitzok7965 3 роки тому

    The best part of chamber, hes more broken then jetts ankles from fall damage

  • @kona5705
    @kona5705 3 роки тому +1

    Chamber, he is honestly the most ghosted agent right now. He can to with a 3 sec cool down at the start of the game and when I played him on split, he could to from a site to b site!

    • @codecipherjoshua7581
      @codecipherjoshua7581 3 роки тому

      You mean you teleport close to either site because there is a range