Why is this even allowed? Sure, Todd might be the master of the technique but is it in the spirit of the game? It looks completely ridiculous when he hangs under the table like that. Abolish the kings move, get the rules straight.
Da MudderBurd it’s not really all that hard to be honest. You lock your arm in one position and sit there while the opponent tires himself out... Again, not much, if any at all, skill involved in it. Im not trying to talk myself up or anything as literally anyone can do it. I even taught my friends son how to do a Kings move, and he is only 9 lol That’s why I get on Todd’s ass so much for doing it. Todd isn’t a weakling. He has some good power in his arm. So why constantly do a move a child can do? Use the power in your damn arm Todd! Stop sitting back any letting your opponent wear himself out while you exert next to nothing and pretty much are just watching. Get up and beat him like a man. I know you can do it. Hell I’ve seen you do it. So do it lol Get back some of the respect you once had a ton of bud
Ya I’d rather see em stay standing and arm wrestle but u can’t hate him for it , he’s not breaking the rules and he is the champ , he finds a way to win
@@guitarjunkienc4875 EVERYONE HATES TO WATCH THIS RIDICULOUS STYLE. NOW EVEN DEVON LARRAT IS USING THIS BS because its almost cheating it was def never meant to be allowed Michelle Todd has ruined armwrestling. John Brzenk said it best when he said how ridiculous is it going to be when both armwrestlers are under the table streched out in the kingsmove its pathetic.
@@harleydavidson1014 Ya no shit , like I said I’d rather have em stay standing that’s real arm wrestling but he don’t make a rules so he definitely hasn’t ruined arm wrestling, He had to adapt after fucking up his arms so much , he never used the kings move back in the day , guys like Devon and Monster are only making the sport much bigger
It's called the kings move, Michael has perfected it to a level no other armwrestler has, and he deserves respect for that. If other arm wrestlers could perform the kings move as effectively as him they most certainly would, it isn't a matter of sportsmanship, all of them are great sports, but they all have their own styles as well. Think about it this way; if Barboza could win the hammer using the kings move, he would. It isn't like he doesn't use it because it is cowardly (and if you researched this more you would realize it is by no means a cowardly move) he doesn't use it because he thinks he has a better chance of winning the armwrestle the way he does, with bursts of speed. Michael wouldn't even be using the kings move now if he hadn't had so many injuries. He can't get the same type of leverage as barboza or other armwrestlers, his arm won't bend far enough. That said, it is a fine thing to do, Devon has used the kings move on multiple occasions, he hasn't mastered it like Michael, but he gets absolutely no hate for using the exact same move. Why? Because you can't see beyond the surface of armwrestling. He is doing the same thing, but you can't tell because he isn't actually that good at it. If you don't believe me ask Devon Larratt, go to the end of his match with Michael and see what he says.
@@insolentish4529 that is true, but his injuries also make it impossible for him to bend his arm enough to armwrestle the way barboza does. Someone who has worked as hard as Michael has doesn't deserve this kind of criticism. Michael used the same exact move on Devon larratt in 2011 and lost, 4-2
+ YAHUSHA KING: King's move is legal only if the shoulder is above the level of the table, in more than one occasion it was not, so the faul should've been called.
Todd is basically sitting on the floor.... How is that not an elbow foul? His elbow is not on the pad. I hate that move for one reason : Todd can armwrestle properly if he wants to.
It's funny you say that, because he actually can't. Due to past injuries he can only bend his arm about 90° which isn't enough to compete with other top arm wrestlers who have much better range of motion, allowing for much better leverage. Michael has perfected the kings move because he can't armwrestle like other people effectively, not the other way around.
@@damudderburd3939 also another point, for example in his match againt cyplenkov in 2011 I think it was, he tries to arm wrestle properly, and gets destroyed in about a second
@@liamjeffreys132 First of all, it's Denis Cyplenkov. Also, That was near the start of Michael's King's Move career just after he broke his arm, he wasn't doing very well. Michael's press is very powerful, but if you can get around it he will revert back to the kings move, which is his only defense. Michael used to be the best in the world standing up, now he is still very good standing up but there is no way for him to compete with other elite superheavies with the angles his arm locks out at. Lately, even though he is at a disadvantage, he has been able to hold Chaffee and Jerry without actually kings moving, using just his arm strength. Whether he stands up is his choice, there is no advantage to being low besides that it is easier to get into the kings move. Michael is a great armwrestler and always has been.
Supposedly that's only a foul in a 'losing position', which I think is insane, personally. It means you can be neutral or slightly positive and hang on to their arm like an ape til the cows come home. And even when he is in a losing position the refs are sometimes rather lax with calling it out. See the match with Devon for a perfect example.
Todd would be nothing w/o his elbow being messed up.. physically you can't bend his elbow straight from a break he had.. he's actually a terrible arm wrestler.
I thought at least one shoulder has to be above the table? Can someone correct me please? I don't have any hate for the king's move, it's not easy to do, but in this match in particular he's clearly way below the table with both shoulders.
these announcers are all over Michael Todd in every video I watch and it's absurd. Biased for a horrible, what should-be-illegal style that requires virtually zero skill, stamina, and power. His opponents need to work 10 times harder to get a pin. He's under the table and his arms practically straight. Peewee Herman could beat Devon Larratt with that style.
@@theobvu Quoting the rules from the WAL website. "10. Competitors cannot drop the competing shoulder below the level of the elbow pad when in a neutral or losing position."
@Anonymous Haha I didn't make the rules but neutral is in the center of the table, losing needs to be 2/3 of the way to the losing side pin line.. For him to have his shoulder below the table & actually have a foul called he'd have to have his arm almost completely flattened out. There are examples of this in other matches w/ the UAL. WAL pretty much did everything backwards of any other league or organization... I have no idea why.
@Anonymous Haha I agree it will be significantly more difficult for him to deal w/ these bigger guys in Europe. It showed w/ his last bouts against Cyplenkov & Pushkar. They both cracked him open.
Arm wrestling allows a competitor to sit on the floor while they pull, as long as their tricep is on the pad. Yeah, tricep. Because Todd's elbow sure as hell wasn't touching.
WAL, how can someone hide under the table like that be allowed? That isnt sport. Look at all the comments here, everyone disapprove it. Its a shame to the sport, practitioners shouldn't go with his pectoral under the table. This cheater is using all the weight of his body instead of the rotational force of his arm.
As long as any part of the hand touches the pin line it counts as a pin right? Cause watching frame by frame you can clearly see Todd's hand touch the line.
The crowd was so dead for this matchup because Todd is the most boring arm wrestler in the world. He doesn’t hide the fact that he cheats. Wish they would make him stand up. He loses when he stands
@World Armwrestling League: You made a mistake in the description there..Marcio's nickname is "Primal" not The Phenom. Great match though, thanks for uploading. Personally I can't wait for Armfight #50 Devon vs Denis! ^^
Every competitor should refuse to take a match with Todd until the refs and the WAL start calling what he is doing for the foul that is. Foul Rule 9. Intentionally moving your opponent off center after “Close your Hands” - example: Back Pressure. He is Back Pressuring by going back and under the table, and once down there he uses his legs to brace and continue to pull back. Todd's elbow goes immediately to the back of his own pad after the ref says "Go" every time. To the refs it looks like just going under the table (which is somehow still allowed), but I guarantee Todd knows exactly that he's using the under the table maneuver to apply back pressure because Todd has always tried to get away with Back Pressure moves. It's obvious because his opponent is being pulled across the table, and their elbows are being pulled off the FRONT of their pad. When Marcio or any competitor does get Todd close to a pin, they are unable to do so without their own elbow coming forward off the FRONT of their pad because Todd moves over closer to his pin side, straightening his arm, and using the elbow pad as leverage to keep his hand closer to his side of the table, resulting in it being nearly impossible to pin him without the opponent's elbow coming forward off the FRONT of their own pad to do so. Trying to pull your opponent into a foul is a foul and is what Rule 9 is for. Been seeing everyone end up in the same situation and having the same problem with him. The problem is that the refs aren't fouling Todd for Back Pressure.
To be clear, rule 9 is about moving off center before the "go". You're 100% allowed to backpressure after the match has started - much of armwrestling technique is moving your elbow to the back of the pad and pulling your opponent with you. Discussions of the king's move aside, backpressure is totally legal after the start.
The arm should not be allowed to go outside the center pin pads on a kings move i seen it were tods arms sideways with the table its impossible to pin the its outside the center pin pads
Todd is weak af the only way he can win is pulling that gay ass move under the table. If he stood up with barboza and pulled normally he’d get wrecked.
If he had the ability to vend his arm past 90° maybe he could armwrestle normally, but because of injuries he can't. If Michael could arm wrestle the way barboza does, he would do just as well or even better than him. Michael uses the kings move because it is the only way he can compete with the top level players who have a much better range of motion. The kings move is actually very difficult and requires a lot of hard training, all of Michael's wins are well deserved.
@@ChefDaffee his shoulder never goes below the table, his actual elbow isn't where it appears because of tissue buildup, and you don't even need to have the pointy part of your elbow on the pad, just the part of the arm where the joint is. If it isn't enjoyable for you to watch, don't watch it. I don't watch sports I don't enjoy watching. If you don't like watching Todd, don't watch Todd. You don't need to throw a hissy fit just because you don't like the way he armwrestles. If you think the refs are going easy on Michael, just watch how many times Chaffee elbow fouls in 503. The wal has some of the strictest rules regarding the kings move, and Michael still doesn't break them. Get over it, move on, the only thing you are accomplishing is spreading hate. The kings move didn't start with Monster either, it has been a valid move for decades. People only hate on Todd because he is so much better at it than everyone else it looks like he is cheating.
@@damudderburd3939 they do not have strict rules on the kings move. He uses it because hes fuxkn weak. He literally cannot win without it. Injury reasons is just bullshit. He has just as much range of motion as larratt (larratt cannot bend his arms straight). So whats todds excuse again? Yes the pointy part if you ur elbox should be the fulcrum of the arm. Otherwise u can (and todd in fact does) just lay on ur tricep all fuxkn day using close to no energy. Juat resting letting the other guy gas out because again....todd is weak af. Hes a big dude but hes for aome reason weak as shit compared to real arm wrestlers. Please try to enlighten me. Todd sucks. End of story. Any way u try to cut it or justify it. Just bc the league doesnt do shit about it doesnt mean its not fuxked up and lame. Slavery was like that for 300 years before we said no more. We could smoke on airplanes for 50 years before we said no more..... again..... please enlighten me?
@Anonymous Haha we all know the wal isn't a strict league. I'm not going to pretend that if his elbow comes off they will instantly call it, or if the top of his shoulder goes below the table they will stop the match. The shoulder rule is for safety only, it shouldn't exist in this level of competition. Michael's elbow is farther back when his arm is extended than we would think. The joint is always in contact with the pad. If you want to complain about micro fouls, complain about every armwrestler, or maybe you should just stay away from wal.
Armwrestling runs in cycles over the decades. This current crop of armwrestlers are some of the best, but it's hit it's peak and will soon be headed back down. The king's move has killed it to grow anymore for now. Hopefully it will get back to above table top and progress again. Long live the Brzenk's, Bath's, Walker's, Patton's, and the rest of the great classic style of true armwrestlers.
I honestly don't mind the kingsmove, it's an art in itself and not just any arm wrestler can do it well. My problem lies in the lack of regulation while using the move. I mean crouching to the point where your arm is virtually straight and both your shoulders are below the level of the table top doesn't really fit the definition of arm wrestling. Plus, your arm is so straight it becomes almost impossible to see where the tip of the elbow is allowing you to get away with multiple elbow fouls. Currently, Todd is playing within the rules so I don't really blame him. It's up to WAL to do something about it. Todd is actually a really good guy, I like the dude. So yeah, it needs rules placed on the utilisation of that move.
I think it's mostly that Barboza is too short. He can't get his hip high enough against the table to lean way in and do a shoulder press. If he was 2-4 inches taller, he could do it and beat Todd.
Louis Cyphre Yeah, Trubin flashed Todds arm easy by being really high up and just adjust the grip. More leverage above the table gives more momentum while Todd is looking for dust under the table
That is exact. Yes. He can beat Todds cheat move because his arm is too short, so it is physicalkly impossible, taling in account that many times Todd lifht his elbow and position his hand extra high. I can understand how this move is legal, that is crazy.
the elbow pads go back too far in the back in WAL, the kings move cant be beat unless you have super long forearms. they need to shift the pads forward 1 inch off the back, and it will change the game, other styles will have a better chance against the Kings move
Marcio seems like he has no motivation, no spirit... 2 answers: 1) Matt Mask and Todd are really strong 2) Marcio isnt at the same level of the other pullers
Where's Bagent and Chaffee been hiding ? How about implementing a couple of rules ,both shoulders must remain above pads and both feet must remain on the ground ??
Snooze fest.
Props to Marcio for armwrestling like a normal person.
Oh yeah, if I was him I wouldn't accepted to fight this match
Saw hi's got damn arm of and let him wrestle with his sausage.
That Will look better. ...
Joshua Waddell Marcio never even got to the A side of the table. Once !
Michael "Under the table" Todd
Aka The Undertabler
Second match was a pin.. Anyways this under the table shit has to stop.. What if both guys did it.. They would be scissoring like a couple of lesbians
fumbles 12 bahahaha scissoring like lesbians
Haha nice
Hilarious
xD
Lol
Michael "under table" Todd
As always
Maybe Barboza needs bucky's arm
Michael "sit on the floor" Todd
Yeah it's so annoying. I wonder how he'd do if he couldn't pull that trick?
True!
THE UNDERTABLER Vs. MARCIO BARBOZA
rofl got me good xD
😂😂👍
Lmfao thats a low blow. Maybe even under the table ...
Bro we call it kings move
todd only gets paid under the table
Lol, Todd is wrestling like a coward, just hiding under the table
ZeLeN00kiqT why would you even say that about anybody?
annette - he said that becasue armwrestling under the table shoud lead to skull splitttting !
well...... nothing new here.............
He isn't arm wrestling
@ZeLeN00kiqT what the fuck?
Michael Todd's elbow keeps coming off the table when hes that low on the table.
Britec09 would never have expected you to be here. I guess I could also say it about myself xD. Anyway love ur vids keep it up dude
Thanks
Barbosa had like 4 elbow fouls in the second match
wow ur here
because WAL and that Ref favor MT over ALL OTHERS for sum reason maybe the WFy
look at the other referees, saying that Todd is way to low and the referee doesn't pay any attention to them.... BS again...!
Why is this even allowed? Sure, Todd might be the master of the technique but is it in the spirit of the game? It looks completely ridiculous when he hangs under the table like that. Abolish the kings move, get the rules straight.
Where was Todd at? I couldn’t see him...was he underneath the table?
you guessed it
Hahaha!
YOURnotBIGatALL yes he was under the table, hiding away
Todd's skill must be banned..
성열머 kingsmove
Haha “skill”
Hiding under the table is no skill
@@dragon81heart like to see you try to do it
Da MudderBurd it’s not really all that hard to be honest. You lock your arm in one position and sit there while the opponent tires himself out...
Again, not much, if any at all, skill involved in it. Im not trying to talk myself up or anything as literally anyone can do it. I even taught my friends son how to do a Kings move, and he is only 9 lol
That’s why I get on Todd’s ass so much for doing it. Todd isn’t a weakling. He has some good power in his arm. So why constantly do a move a child can do? Use the power in your damn arm Todd! Stop sitting back any letting your opponent wear himself out while you exert next to nothing and pretty much are just watching. Get up and beat him like a man. I know you can do it. Hell I’ve seen you do it. So do it lol
Get back some of the respect you once had a ton of bud
@@dragon81heart I do it all the time. In order to kingsmove you need extreme pronation strength. I suggest you take that back.
michael "hiding under the table from the boogeyman" todd
Hate the game not the player.
Ya I’d rather see em stay standing and arm wrestle but u can’t hate him for it , he’s not breaking the rules and he is the champ , he finds a way to win
@@guitarjunkienc4875 EVERYONE HATES TO WATCH THIS RIDICULOUS STYLE. NOW EVEN DEVON LARRAT IS USING THIS BS because its almost cheating it was def never meant to be allowed Michelle Todd has ruined armwrestling. John Brzenk said it best when he said how ridiculous is it going to be when both armwrestlers are under the table streched out in the kingsmove its pathetic.
@@harleydavidson1014 Ya no shit , like I said I’d rather have em stay standing that’s real arm wrestling but he don’t make a rules so he definitely hasn’t ruined arm wrestling, He had to adapt after fucking up his arms so much , he never used the kings move back in the day , guys like Devon and Monster are only making the sport much bigger
U dum
todd should be banned , what a nob
Really hate it when people are under the table hanging
If you ask me todd really never has his elbow on the table. Should be getting fouled for that shit
Josh Schliepp to be fair, barboza's elbow is flying elsewhere most of the time
@@CossyMango true but Barbosa doesnt do that everytime like todd, just watch todd videos
@@shirowolff9147 barboza had his elbow off the front if the pad the whole round (1)
@@eradicater4186 barboza didnt have his elbow in the pad at all in the first round.
That guy's shoulder is under the dam table. How is that legal?!
This Michael Todd is wack. I really do not enjoy watching this guy pull
@Luke Adair nah, just like he says in the video he can do that when he's in the offensive position as in winning
It's called the kings move, Michael has perfected it to a level no other armwrestler has, and he deserves respect for that. If other arm wrestlers could perform the kings move as effectively as him they most certainly would, it isn't a matter of sportsmanship, all of them are great sports, but they all have their own styles as well.
Think about it this way; if Barboza could win the hammer using the kings move, he would. It isn't like he doesn't use it because it is cowardly (and if you researched this more you would realize it is by no means a cowardly move) he doesn't use it because he thinks he has a better chance of winning the armwrestle the way he does, with bursts of speed.
Michael wouldn't even be using the kings move now if he hadn't had so many injuries. He can't get the same type of leverage as barboza or other armwrestlers, his arm won't bend far enough. That said, it is a fine thing to do, Devon has used the kings move on multiple occasions, he hasn't mastered it like Michael, but he gets absolutely no hate for using the exact same move. Why? Because you can't see beyond the surface of armwrestling. He is doing the same thing, but you can't tell because he isn't actually that good at it. If you don't believe me ask Devon Larratt, go to the end of his match with Michael and see what he says.
@@damudderburd3939 you're wrong. His injuries allow him to do a bonelock with the Kings move.
@@insolentish4529 that is true, but his injuries also make it impossible for him to bend his arm enough to armwrestle the way barboza does. Someone who has worked as hard as Michael has doesn't deserve this kind of criticism.
Michael used the same exact move on Devon larratt in 2011 and lost, 4-2
@@damudderburd3939 he can't win without doing it, that is a fact.
8:36 thats pathetic WAL lets someone get underneath the table. Armwrestling will never be mainstream until they get the rules under control.
even Devon did it against Mask. I've never seen Brzenk do it.
it is legal dude.Marcio does not know how to beat Todd.Larrat can, Cadorette can, Pushkar can, Cyplenkov can, Brzenk can so what is the problem?
Devon's shoulder was far higher than Todd's shoulder
+ YAHUSHA KING: King's move is legal only if the shoulder is above the level of the table, in more than one occasion it was not, so the faul should've been called.
You really want armwrestling to be mainstream?
Michael under the table Todd
I see Michael improved his technique. Now literally lying horizontally under the table! Might as well use a spare hand to help himself
Marcio Barboza : where are you? Michael?
Michael Todd : I'm under the table~
It's outrageous what they let him do lol
Who? Look at barbozas elbow, its just flying everywhere. 4:50
Todd will show up with ankle weights and a weight belt around his waist.
Marcio actually pinned him at 6:45, if you slow to .25 speed you can see MTs hand go below the pin line
Yeah actually touches the string and you can see it dip a bit. Very close, but definitely a pin
Yes!
Yeap, he did!
Todd's shoulder is clearly far lower than his elbow, isnt that against the rule?
Rules mean nothing here. Yes, far, far lower than his elbow.
No wonder he got raped whenever he competed outside of WAL.
The shoulder can go under the table in a winning position.
Micheal Todd was good the first round though.
@@y37chung hes champ in almost all orgs he has competed in lol arm wars UAL etc
If they enact a rule where both shoulders have to stay above the table Todd would be a nobody, fast. He actually hurts the sport.
These are the rules so get over it.
@@TheJwwinter I'm ok with it. I have no problem with the KM.
about the rules see vid with the one who written the rules search for vid Bob Brown performs the perfect Kings Move?
also about mt older matches been proven search for vid Larrat vs Todd bullshit lets be honest
however today mt armwrestle more honest according to the rules and vs match vs dave chaffe mt armwrestle way more honest etc.
Its like scary movies...the bad guy always comes crawling under something
Todd is pulling barbosa so far forward that he keeps elbow fouling barbosa....stop this bs move from todd
Todd is basically sitting on the floor.... How is that not an elbow foul? His elbow is not on the pad. I hate that move for one reason : Todd can armwrestle properly if he wants to.
It's funny you say that, because he actually can't. Due to past injuries he can only bend his arm about 90° which isn't enough to compete with other top arm wrestlers who have much better range of motion, allowing for much better leverage.
Michael has perfected the kings move because he can't armwrestle like other people effectively, not the other way around.
@@damudderburd3939 also another point, for example in his match againt cyplenkov in 2011 I think it was, he tries to arm wrestle properly, and gets destroyed in about a second
@@liamjeffreys132 First of all, it's Denis Cyplenkov. Also, That was near the start of Michael's King's Move career just after he broke his arm, he wasn't doing very well. Michael's press is very powerful, but if you can get around it he will revert back to the kings move, which is his only defense. Michael used to be the best in the world standing up, now he is still very good standing up but there is no way for him to compete with other elite superheavies with the angles his arm locks out at. Lately, even though he is at a disadvantage, he has been able to hold Chaffee and Jerry without actually kings moving, using just his arm strength. Whether he stands up is his choice, there is no advantage to being low besides that it is easier to get into the kings move. Michael is a great armwrestler and always has been.
@@damudderburd3939 it's just casuals n noobs who don't know the sport or his history.
when Michael Todd does the King's Move, how far below the table is his shoulders aloud? because to me, his should are below the table top.
Supposedly that's only a foul in a 'losing position', which I think is insane, personally. It means you can be neutral or slightly positive and hang on to their arm like an ape til the cows come home. And even when he is in a losing position the refs are sometimes rather lax with calling it out. See the match with Devon for a perfect example.
Just reminds me of John brzenk asking Michael “where are you going buddy!?” 😂
Michael Todd's elbow comes off every time!!!! His forearm is the only thing sliding back and forth while hiding under the table
I just cant wait for mask vs larrratt
GOD TUBER larratt won
I can't wait for Larrat - Cyplenkov @ Armfight#50 in November. Denis gonna rip his arm off! :D
I wonder why people hate Larratt lol he's the nicest there is
Megavicid people always hate the best :D
we shall see although ive heard that many times before with larratt and he still has his arm.
Todd would be nothing w/o his elbow being messed up.. physically you can't bend his elbow straight from a break he had.. he's actually a terrible arm wrestler.
Cyplenkov gotta broke the arm of "The under the table" man.
If you don't like veggies, just throw it under the table. Todd will eat it.
at 6:45 when you do some frameskipping you can actually see Todd's hand touching the pincord. Should be 1-1
I thought at least one shoulder has to be above the table? Can someone correct me please? I don't have any hate for the king's move, it's not easy to do, but in this match in particular he's clearly way below the table with both shoulders.
Only matters if you're in a losing position. He was only under the table in a winning position
Todd's whole career has been him highlighting why armwrestling is still such and underground sport.
You clearly don't know much about Michael Todd.
@@BlakeGibbons i think it was a joke with the "underground" part
@@mckarthy5771 I don't think so at all.
@@BlakeGibbons ok
6:43 Watching at 0.25x speed, that was a pin. Todd's hand touched it.
Was a pin
Pin all day
these announcers are all over Michael Todd in every video I watch and it's absurd. Biased for a horrible, what should-be-illegal style that requires virtually zero skill, stamina, and power. His opponents need to work 10 times harder to get a pin. He's under the table and his arms practically straight. Peewee Herman could beat Devon Larratt with that style.
Zero skills and stamina !! The fuck are you on ?
I woke up,went to kitchen ,got a bottle from fridge ,dropped it, it rolled to table, I kneel to pick it up and Michael Todd was there.
His shoulder is lower than his elbow. Pretty sure thats illegal
It should be, but WAL allows it in a neutral or winning position.
@@xdjl3ex nope. It says if your shoulder is below the table it is a foul which the refs didn't call. You can read the rules in WAL website
@@theobvu Quoting the rules from the WAL website.
"10. Competitors cannot drop the competing shoulder below the level of the elbow pad when in a neutral or losing position."
@Anonymous Haha I didn't make the rules but neutral is in the center of the table, losing needs to be 2/3 of the way to the losing side pin line.. For him to have his shoulder below the table & actually have a foul called he'd have to have his arm almost completely flattened out. There are examples of this in other matches w/ the UAL.
WAL pretty much did everything backwards of any other league or organization... I have no idea why.
@Anonymous Haha I agree it will be significantly more difficult for him to deal w/ these bigger guys in Europe. It showed w/ his last bouts against Cyplenkov & Pushkar. They both cracked him open.
if they used wristwrestling rules (where the left hands have to hold across the table), Todd would never win a match.
Wristwrestling. LMAO. Shut the fuck up you awkward idiot. Todd is superior. Todd is stronger. You got no idea. Bitch ass.
Anon Anonymous Very mature reply pleb.
anon anonymou --calm down Mrs. Todd. Michael is the best in the world at the under the table, but in a stand up match not even top 20 or 30.
Arm wrestling allows a competitor to sit on the floor while they pull, as long as their tricep is on the pad. Yeah, tricep. Because Todd's elbow sure as hell wasn't touching.
WAL, how can someone hide under the table like that be allowed?
That isnt sport. Look at all the comments here, everyone disapprove it.
Its a shame to the sport, practitioners shouldn't go with his pectoral under the table.
This cheater is using all the weight of his body instead of the rotational force of his arm.
8:09 Michael Todd 🤣🤣
As long as any part of the hand touches the pin line it counts as a pin right? Cause watching frame by frame you can clearly see Todd's hand touch the line.
Todds personality has changed much hasn't it
he got married
he’s a great guy and one of the nicest in the sport
The crowd was so dead for this matchup because Todd is the most boring arm wrestler in the world. He doesn’t hide the fact that he cheats. Wish they would make him stand up. He loses when he stands
It's difficult to hide two things at once. He doesn't hide the fact that he cheats because he is too busy hiding under the table.
Michael “Under the table “ Todd !!! Lmao 😂
This should be an Olympic sport.
P.S. Maybe I should yell at my child hiding under the table at dinner... may just be a Michael Todd fan.
Too many PEDs
@World Armwrestling League: You made a mistake in the description there..Marcio's nickname is "Primal" not The Phenom. Great match though, thanks for uploading. Personally I can't wait for Armfight #50 Devon vs Denis! ^^
I did not know when you arm wrestle you can lay under the table. I've watched Todd in many bouts and he has one move .....thats laying down. Big sissy
it looks like marco playing against an arm in the air that are out of nowhere
Someone should buy Michel Todd a miner's hat and lamp so he can go digging for gold.
Only if barboza was more patient
Every competitor should refuse to take a match with Todd until the refs and the WAL start calling what he is doing for the foul that is. Foul Rule 9. Intentionally moving your opponent off center after “Close your Hands” - example: Back Pressure. He is Back Pressuring by going back and under the table, and once down there he uses his legs to brace and continue to pull back. Todd's elbow goes immediately to the back of his own pad after the ref says "Go" every time. To the refs it looks like just going under the table (which is somehow still allowed), but I guarantee Todd knows exactly that he's using the under the table maneuver to apply back pressure because Todd has always tried to get away with Back Pressure moves. It's obvious because his opponent is being pulled across the table, and their elbows are being pulled off the FRONT of their pad. When Marcio or any competitor does get Todd close to a pin, they are unable to do so without their own elbow coming forward off the FRONT of their pad because Todd moves over closer to his pin side, straightening his arm, and using the elbow pad as leverage to keep his hand closer to his side of the table, resulting in it being nearly impossible to pin him without the opponent's elbow coming forward off the FRONT of their own pad to do so. Trying to pull your opponent into a foul is a foul and is what Rule 9 is for. Been seeing everyone end up in the same situation and having the same problem with him. The problem is that the refs aren't fouling Todd for Back Pressure.
To be clear, rule 9 is about moving off center before the "go". You're 100% allowed to backpressure after the match has started - much of armwrestling technique is moving your elbow to the back of the pad and pulling your opponent with you. Discussions of the king's move aside, backpressure is totally legal after the start.
Is Marcio supposed to bicep curl 130 kg with one arm ?
4:18 what is going on in the background
Paused at 2:45. Lemme guess Todd hides under the table the whole match
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Wow r u psychic??
Gucci Gang must be
Under the table vs Marcio Barbosa
I think the next step after allowing todd to do this is to let him use both his arms lol
the numbers dont lie..Devons matches in the WAL generate a lot more viewership and buzz than anybody elses matches..hes the star of WAL..
4:40 Micheal is in a confort zone...yep under under and under the table....:)))
Todd can kiss the floor while arm wrestling it's amazing (^_-)
I thought wal rules was the humerus had to be level with the pad elbow touching...?
6:45 was a pin and did touch the pad... look at x0.25
Michael Peekaboo Todd. If you get any lower, you will be laying on the floor. Chump! Can`t you win fairly?
Dirty match
His elbow is nearly never on the pad, he lifts it to have an extra high position and do not let you pull.
Bruno Felipe yup.
The arm should not be allowed to go outside the center pin pads on a kings move i seen it were tods arms sideways with the table its impossible to pin the its outside the center pin pads
@2:58 LOL I thought she was trying to touch Michael Todds beard LMAO
Todd is weak af the only way he can win is pulling that gay ass move under the table. If he stood up with barboza and pulled normally he’d get wrecked.
If he had the ability to vend his arm past 90° maybe he could armwrestle normally, but because of injuries he can't. If Michael could arm wrestle the way barboza does, he would do just as well or even better than him. Michael uses the kings move because it is the only way he can compete with the top level players who have a much better range of motion.
The kings move is actually very difficult and requires a lot of hard training, all of Michael's wins are well deserved.
@@ChefDaffee his shoulder never goes below the table, his actual elbow isn't where it appears because of tissue buildup, and you don't even need to have the pointy part of your elbow on the pad, just the part of the arm where the joint is.
If it isn't enjoyable for you to watch, don't watch it. I don't watch sports I don't enjoy watching. If you don't like watching Todd, don't watch Todd. You don't need to throw a hissy fit just because you don't like the way he armwrestles.
If you think the refs are going easy on Michael, just watch how many times Chaffee elbow fouls in 503.
The wal has some of the strictest rules regarding the kings move, and Michael still doesn't break them. Get over it, move on, the only thing you are accomplishing is spreading hate. The kings move didn't start with Monster either, it has been a valid move for decades. People only hate on Todd because he is so much better at it than everyone else it looks like he is cheating.
@@damudderburd3939 they do not have strict rules on the kings move. He uses it because hes fuxkn weak. He literally cannot win without it. Injury reasons is just bullshit. He has just as much range of motion as larratt (larratt cannot bend his arms straight). So whats todds excuse again? Yes the pointy part if you ur elbox should be the fulcrum of the arm. Otherwise u can (and todd in fact does) just lay on ur tricep all fuxkn day using close to no energy. Juat resting letting the other guy gas out because again....todd is weak af. Hes a big dude but hes for aome reason weak as shit compared to real arm wrestlers. Please try to enlighten me. Todd sucks. End of story. Any way u try to cut it or justify it. Just bc the league doesnt do shit about it doesnt mean its not fuxked up and lame. Slavery was like that for 300 years before we said no more. We could smoke on airplanes for 50 years before we said no more..... again..... please enlighten me?
@pedro gomes you don't understand what I said. I'm not going to take the time to explain it to you.
@Anonymous Haha we all know the wal isn't a strict league. I'm not going to pretend that if his elbow comes off they will instantly call it, or if the top of his shoulder goes below the table they will stop the match.
The shoulder rule is for safety only, it shouldn't exist in this level of competition.
Michael's elbow is farther back when his arm is extended than we would think. The joint is always in contact with the pad. If you want to complain about micro fouls, complain about every armwrestler, or maybe you should just stay away from wal.
somebody has to change that referee... he is the problem, the girl and the other one should take his place....!
I agree she has got way better tits
Ian Eastman hahahaha
Armwrestling runs in cycles over the decades. This current crop of armwrestlers are some of the best, but it's hit it's peak and will soon be headed back down. The king's move has killed it to grow anymore for now. Hopefully it will get back to above table top and progress again. Long live the Brzenk's, Bath's, Walker's, Patton's, and the rest of the great classic style of true armwrestlers.
A ref said something, and he said I AM IN A ARMWRESTLING POSITION
BARBOZA!! U STILL R A WINNER! STICK WITH IT ALWAYS. WE ARE WARRIORS OF THE WORLD! TO JESUS B ALL THE GLORY
He got demolished.
Marco barboza?
*Second match was a pin from Babroza. It clearly was. Watch it in slow motion if you didnt catch it live.*
Marcio just needed a longer arm and he finishes him, he looked stronger
Wal has the shittiest rules in the world
The same boring try to sit down on the floor shit from Todd. Ugh.
I honestly don't mind the kingsmove, it's an art in itself and not just any arm wrestler can do it well. My problem lies in the lack of regulation while using the move. I mean crouching to the point where your arm is virtually straight and both your shoulders are below the level of the table top doesn't really fit the definition of arm wrestling. Plus, your arm is so straight it becomes almost impossible to see where the tip of the elbow is allowing you to get away with multiple elbow fouls.
Currently, Todd is playing within the rules so I don't really blame him. It's up to WAL to do something about it. Todd is actually a really good guy, I like the dude. So yeah, it needs rules placed on the utilisation of that move.
Someone explain to me why they switch sides
Marcio Barboza s arm is too short to beat todds kings move , todd would win 100 times out of 100 , bad match up .
I think it's mostly that Barboza is too short. He can't get his hip high enough against the table to lean way in and do a shoulder press. If he was 2-4 inches taller, he could do it and beat Todd.
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Louis Cyphre Yeah, Trubin flashed Todds arm easy by being really high up and just adjust the grip. More leverage above the table gives more momentum while Todd is looking for dust under the table
That is exact. Yes. He can beat Todds cheat move because his arm is too short, so it is physicalkly impossible, taling in account that many times Todd lifht his elbow and position his hand extra high. I can understand how this move is legal, that is crazy.
Cant.
8:23 Anyone saw the blonde girl in the back with the mimics? xD
unAbated No, dude - lol I was about to point out something to my husband, but stopped. I wasn't mimicking! Hahaha
yeah i saw she act non-stop that mimic :)))))))))) so funny
Spelt Marcio's name wrong in the title
the elbow pads go back too far in the back in WAL, the kings move cant be beat unless you have super long forearms. they need to shift the pads forward 1 inch off the back, and it will change the game, other styles will have a better chance against the Kings move
I don't know anything about arm wrestling but I know Michael Todd is a cowardly, cowardly man.
Michael "Undertable" Todd
Is this under the table arm wrestling?
I think i see Mendy in the background?
Imagine todd vs todd.. that would be the most boring arm wrestling match ever
What a joke
Wrong spell its Marcio Barboza not Marco.
Who is Marco?
Marcio seems like he has no motivation, no spirit... 2 answers: 1) Matt Mask and Todd are really strong 2) Marcio isnt at the same level of the other pullers
Marcios arm is too short.
Boring
1000x BORING
Where's Bagent and Chaffee been hiding ?
How about implementing a couple of rules ,both shoulders must remain above pads and both feet must remain on the ground ??
Why am I watching this? I know Michael Todd is going to sit under the table for the whole game
They need to add a rule that the shoulders must stay above the “plane” of the table.
I just drop a pencil on the floor and it rolls under the table... there was a nice person who handed it back to me... must be santa...
Pressão forte puxando pra cima
Acabou o jogo do Marcio ele tem mt força no cruzado se ele ganha a mão na saída já era
Barboza looks like the human form of a xenomorph