Fun fact, the way meteor smashes work in brawl is kind of similar to melee where there is a meteor cancel. The difference however is that in melee the meteor cancel is on frame 8 for all characters while in brawl while for most characters, it's frame 25, on some characters like olimar and Ivysaur (probably due to balancing out their tether weakness) it's frame 15 and on wolf, it's frame 60... Which means that meteor smashes are buffed, but for wolf, they are almost 3 times as good.
@@ZachHonest S ++ is a bit of an exaggeration, many of the top tiers can deal with meta knight. Even if the matchups are losing, characters like falco and Pikachu certainly can beat mk
@@ZachHonest well yes, but nowadays a lot of people think he is the same tier as icies. Some would still put him a tier above, but others wouldn't. Also, he is certainly not the only viable character in the game, icies, diddy, olimar, snake, and marth probably all could win solo, and falco/pikachu if they can avoid their bad matchups.
I’m genuinely interested and excited to see how the devs of PMEX Remix will make Conker and Krystal work. We could really use a fourth Star Fox rep and to finish out the main Rareware cast between Conker with Banjo and King K. Rool in general. Massive respects to them for changing them up so much while at the same time keeping them true to both the original games and their appearances in official Smash titles. I can’t even imagine how much work goes into just *one* character, let alone over 100 of them and counting…
Nice video on Wolf, it's amazing how all those small changes turned him into a top tier. Soon can you talk about how Toon Link took parts of Melee Young Link and Smash 64 Link in Project M?
Wolf was always werid in my opinion not just brawl but in ultimate In general I think he just works like fox and falco but with some werid twist and kinda bad but in pm he really feels like he’s been polished and buffed which gives him a better move set in my opinion better than the 2 animals with guns lol awesome vid.
In Ult he's really clean and very strong. They gave him a lot more range to make him more unique amoung the spacies. He's basically all about fundamentals and spacing. He's dynamic enough to handle just about anything, which makes him one of the most popular secondaries for high level players.
@@spongebobgamingahoyboo2.062 Fox is much faster on the ground. Wolf is much faster in the air. Air speed is better in Ult because drift is the only way you can space. Wolf also has stronger kill power and better range. More like a swordie. Fox is better for playing rushdown and being aggressive. Wolf is better for defensive play.
Calling Zetterburn just a wolf-like is doing a huge disservice to both characters and to Rivals of Aether imo. Zett has similarities to all the spacies bc he was supposed to fill that role in a game with a smaller roster, but just labeling him as a clone of any of them is a bit much, considering all the unique mechanics that game has. I'd encourage anyone interested to get that game and try it themselves, bc it's really the only platform fighter out there that doesn't steal Smash's mechanics 1:1 while also being fun and competitive.
Would you ever consider making a video on Brawl+? I was a diehard Brawl player during 2009 & didn't get onto Project M until 2016 but Brawl+ is a chapter I wish I'd engaged with (But I guess Project M (with Auto L-cancel on) is essentially the spiritual successor)
From what I'm aware Brawl+ was basically a really early version of PM you could say. A lot of the people who worked on Brawl+ ended up working and moving their efforts towards PM.
Love wolf gameplay wise, fucking hate his visual design in brawl and love his design in ultimate, so im glad he still feels similiar in HDR i can get the best of both worlds
I love playing as wolf for fun, but holy shit was this character overtuned as fuck in 3.6 lmao. I will not accept any opinions on him that dont place him squarely and securely at number one, he was fucked. When I think about pm wolf, I get flashbacks to SNS4 grands, where lunchables was just drowning in a tide of lasers, trying desperately to get through them lol. Also the many times I got served disgusting 4-stocks by local wolves. Honestly even after the nerfs in P+ I still think he's #1. That being said he is important for the culture of the game, and if I was told I needed to show someone combos from p+ to get them into the game, hands down wolf is my (second) best choice.
Ok one honest to god question. Why isn't metaknight baned or why do people play brawl competitively at all. You have to go through so much to dance around the fact that metaknight is broken af to the point where he might as well be the only character there.
Because too many people play him and at this point, the game definitely can't afford to lose even more people. Moreover, removing him doesn't solve anything, it just means Ice Climbers or Olimar or another dumb high tier has less competition. The game is broken beyond repair, there's a reason it's practically dead.
Meta Knight is horrendous but at least he does interesting stuff. Banning him would make the other top tiers so much worse. If you want Brawl to be playable, you have to decapitate the top five-ten characters
@@docs.a.t.7161 more like you have to play another game because at the end of the game, Brawl is a horrible game for this kind of stuff and not a good game in general.
So they did try banning MK with the Unity ruleset, but what happened is the people who played MK didn't want to go to those tournaments. So while some tournaments tried out the rule, because some regions and majors did not the rule never stuck and the Unity ruleset was eventually dropped. MK is arguably the most fun character to play in Brawl, he's genuinely fast in an otherwise slow game and probably the most expressive character in the game as well. So I think his permanent removal would definitely have been a loss. That said, his ban would not have cleared the way for Icies to dominate in the way people fear (I can't speak for Olimar, but I also doubt any other character would have been able to centralize the meta). In the old days, Brawl had lots of moving stages. These stages were brutal for Icies, with the general sentiment being if Icies ever fell behind in counterpicks that was essentially the end of the set. These stages also granted an advantage to MK, and over time were removed in part for that reason (the Unity ruleset would have used these stages). As a result, the consistency of Icies was able to climb and they became the touch-of-death grappler people know them for. If MK was banned and these old stages returned, we could reasonably expect Icies to not be as prevalent. They'd still be very dangerous game 1, but their ability to win sets would be heavily diminished. I'd expect Olimar to probably be #1 (someone has to be) but there's no evidence to suggest he's good enough to centralize the meta like MK did. If anything there's a strong chance character diversity from lower tiers would go up due to the lack of MK (though in fairness many of those characters would still struggle against the other top tiers, I'm just saying the massive MK player base wouldn't exist and thus characters with decent attributes but a horrific MK MU might become semi-viable).
hello if you see this, i asked a while ago if you remembered project SILK cuz it was the only time you could actually play sami and not have the game crash lol. well looks like 8 months later someone backed it up if you were ever intrested in looking at it edit: i also just converted it to work on dolphin, woo!
Fun fact, the way meteor smashes work in brawl is kind of similar to melee where there is a meteor cancel. The difference however is that in melee the meteor cancel is on frame 8 for all characters while in brawl while for most characters, it's frame 25, on some characters like olimar and Ivysaur (probably due to balancing out their tether weakness) it's frame 15 and on wolf, it's frame 60... Which means that meteor smashes are buffed, but for wolf, they are almost 3 times as good.
Wolf is one of my fav characters in Smash, it makes me happy to see him improved so much somewhere.
Meta Knight in Brawl: S
Meta Knight in Pm: S
To be fair Meta Knight in Brawl is probably S++ and in PM he just viable with the rest of the cast.
@@ZachHonest S ++ is a bit of an exaggeration, many of the top tiers can deal with meta knight. Even if the matchups are losing, characters like falco and Pikachu certainly can beat mk
Like how Brawl is so unbalanced that characters with the best matchups against Meta Knight still usually lose
@@ninja1167. He's literally SS tier on the actual tier list lol
@@ZachHonest well yes, but nowadays a lot of people think he is the same tier as icies. Some would still put him a tier above, but others wouldn't. Also, he is certainly not the only viable character in the game, icies, diddy, olimar, snake, and marth probably all could win solo, and falco/pikachu if they can avoid their bad matchups.
Earned a sub. Project M Wolf is my absolute favorite character in any Smash game.
I’m genuinely interested and excited to see how the devs of PMEX Remix will make Conker and Krystal work. We could really use a fourth Star Fox rep and to finish out the main Rareware cast between Conker with Banjo and King K. Rool in general. Massive respects to them for changing them up so much while at the same time keeping them true to both the original games and their appearances in official Smash titles. I can’t even imagine how much work goes into just *one* character, let alone over 100 of them and counting…
Just started playing P+ and Remix a few weeks ago and I love your PM content, keep it up!
So far you've gone over all of my Brawl and PM+ mains.
Guessing Wario is gonna be next haha
Nice video on Wolf, it's amazing how all those small changes turned him into a top tier. Soon can you talk about how Toon Link took parts of Melee Young Link and Smash 64 Link in Project M?
Forever a Wolf main ❤️
hope to see roy get discussed if he hasn't already
great video as always :)
Wolf was always werid in my opinion not just brawl but in ultimate In general I think he just works like fox and falco but with some werid twist and kinda bad but in pm he really feels like he’s been polished and buffed which gives him a better move set in my opinion better than the 2 animals with guns lol awesome vid.
In Ult he's really clean and very strong. They gave him a lot more range to make him more unique amoung the spacies. He's basically all about fundamentals and spacing. He's dynamic enough to handle just about anything, which makes him one of the most popular secondaries for high level players.
@@Saskaruto16 yeah I know but compare to fox I think you would play as him rather wolf because fox is more controlable but that’s just me.
@@spongebobgamingahoyboo2.062 Fox is much faster on the ground.
Wolf is much faster in the air. Air speed is better in Ult because drift is the only way you can space.
Wolf also has stronger kill power and better range. More like a swordie.
Fox is better for playing rushdown and being aggressive.
Wolf is better for defensive play.
Calling Zetterburn just a wolf-like is doing a huge disservice to both characters and to Rivals of Aether imo. Zett has similarities to all the spacies bc he was supposed to fill that role in a game with a smaller roster, but just labeling him as a clone of any of them is a bit much, considering all the unique mechanics that game has.
I'd encourage anyone interested to get that game and try it themselves, bc it's really the only platform fighter out there that doesn't steal Smash's mechanics 1:1 while also being fun and competitive.
rivals is a good game but they both indeed similar thats all he said.
Ultimate Wolf before Ultimate Wolf
I knew I recognised the music at the start of the video. Rookie Harbor from CrossCode.
It would be pretty cool if you made some videos on rivals base cast or workshop, the characters are all really cool
He got included when Krystal got cut from the game.
HELL YEAH CROSSCODE MUSIC ON A UA-cam VIDEOOOOOO
THAT GAME IS SO FUCKING GOATED
goated honest content
This content is truly honest.
9:38 does anyone know what kind of music is this? Feels like it's from a game I don't recognize.
Would you ever consider making a video on Brawl+?
I was a diehard Brawl player during 2009 & didn't get onto Project M until 2016 but Brawl+ is a chapter I wish I'd engaged with
(But I guess Project M (with Auto L-cancel on) is essentially the spiritual successor)
From what I'm aware Brawl+ was basically a really early version of PM you could say. A lot of the people who worked on Brawl+ ended up working and moving their efforts towards PM.
Love wolf gameplay wise, fucking hate his visual design in brawl and love his design in ultimate, so im glad he still feels similiar in HDR i can get the best of both worlds
Why do i keep coming here every time there's a new upload
Awesome video
Ngl.. the only reason i play wolf is because zetterburn is one of my secondaries in rivals of aether
Nice vid. Those weaselwords are really starting to be painful, though. We don't need both "arguably" and "one of the best" in the same sentence.
Arguably, we do, they are some of the best to use
I rather use Wolf instead of Fox and Falco
I use both Wolf and Falco in ultimate
Mans literally said “Hyper bowl” 😂😂
lmao, i caught that later on, but i left it in for the memes
Can u do a falco video?
I love playing as wolf for fun, but holy shit was this character overtuned as fuck in 3.6 lmao. I will not accept any opinions on him that dont place him squarely and securely at number one, he was fucked. When I think about pm wolf, I get flashbacks to SNS4 grands, where lunchables was just drowning in a tide of lasers, trying desperately to get through them lol. Also the many times I got served disgusting 4-stocks by local wolves. Honestly even after the nerfs in P+ I still think he's #1.
That being said he is important for the culture of the game, and if I was told I needed to show someone combos from p+ to get them into the game, hands down wolf is my (second) best choice.
Wasn't a fan of that melee wolf because of the differences from PM 😫
Woof 🐺
His animations are distractingly bad in brawl and this video is the first time I’ve ever seen him in brawl lol
this video makes me wanna learn P+ Wolf....
Ok one honest to god question. Why isn't metaknight baned or why do people play brawl competitively at all. You have to go through so much to dance around the fact that metaknight is broken af to the point where he might as well be the only character there.
Because too many people play him and at this point, the game definitely can't afford to lose even more people.
Moreover, removing him doesn't solve anything, it just means Ice Climbers or Olimar or another dumb high tier has less competition. The game is broken beyond repair, there's a reason it's practically dead.
@@anothenblue2630 in a just world. Project m/ project+ would have thrived.
Meta Knight is horrendous but at least he does interesting stuff. Banning him would make the other top tiers so much worse. If you want Brawl to be playable, you have to decapitate the top five-ten characters
@@docs.a.t.7161 more like you have to play another game because at the end of the game, Brawl is a horrible game for this kind of stuff and not a good game in general.
So they did try banning MK with the Unity ruleset, but what happened is the people who played MK didn't want to go to those tournaments. So while some tournaments tried out the rule, because some regions and majors did not the rule never stuck and the Unity ruleset was eventually dropped.
MK is arguably the most fun character to play in Brawl, he's genuinely fast in an otherwise slow game and probably the most expressive character in the game as well. So I think his permanent removal would definitely have been a loss.
That said, his ban would not have cleared the way for Icies to dominate in the way people fear (I can't speak for Olimar, but I also doubt any other character would have been able to centralize the meta). In the old days, Brawl had lots of moving stages. These stages were brutal for Icies, with the general sentiment being if Icies ever fell behind in counterpicks that was essentially the end of the set. These stages also granted an advantage to MK, and over time were removed in part for that reason (the Unity ruleset would have used these stages). As a result, the consistency of Icies was able to climb and they became the touch-of-death grappler people know them for.
If MK was banned and these old stages returned, we could reasonably expect Icies to not be as prevalent. They'd still be very dangerous game 1, but their ability to win sets would be heavily diminished. I'd expect Olimar to probably be #1 (someone has to be) but there's no evidence to suggest he's good enough to centralize the meta like MK did. If anything there's a strong chance character diversity from lower tiers would go up due to the lack of MK (though in fairness many of those characters would still struggle against the other top tiers, I'm just saying the massive MK player base wouldn't exist and thus characters with decent attributes but a horrific MK MU might become semi-viable).
hello if you see this, i asked a while ago if you remembered project SILK cuz it was the only time you could actually play sami and not have the game crash lol. well looks like 8 months later someone backed it up if you were ever intrested in looking at it
edit: i also just converted it to work on dolphin, woo!