Hopefully this will answer dome of your questions 1) As long as you're not moving out of Germany you can just register at your new municipality. It also doesn't take long, usually the waiting time is longer than the registration. 2) About the termination, thankfully there is a new EU law that introduces more protection for consumer. E.g. when the telecommunication contract is renewed the termination period is max. 1 month. It also applies to older contracts, so the renewal of 12 months stuff will not apply anymore. Since the 1st of March 2022 more protection is introduced and as of 1st of July 2022 you have to be able to cancel online (with a simple button) when the contract was signed online, and when the page does not have such button you can terminate immediately. 3) Tipps to pick a good moving company: When hiring a moving company make sure you read the contract properly. I recommend to create a list with all items (e.g amount of boxes, size of bed or fridge, ...) and make this list as part of the contract. Usually good companies will create such list themselves, but the bad ones don't. If you don't have one and it's a bad company they will ask for more money or just leave for stuff behind or on the street (to get more money). In case you need "Halteverbotszone", ask if they provide the setup. This includes a) getting proper street signs, b) have the correct time & date on the signs, c) requesting them early enough, at least 2-3 weeks before, d) setting them up properly with enough distance and multiple days before the move, e) removing them again and f) have an insurance in case a sign falls on a car or worse on a person. Also, after everything is at the new place, check it. Do not just sign and day "jeah everything is fine". Check for scratches, broken pieces and so on. Also, always get an estimation of "Kostenvoranschlag", with it the actual costs can not be higher than 20% of the estimation. Last thing: check for proper "Handelsregisternummer" and "Umstatzsteuernummer", red flag when there is none. We moved last year and we asked more than 10 moving companies for an estimation. Just half of them provided a list and some did not even have a legal company. Unfortunately there are many bad moving "companies" because a proper one is not cheap and it's easy to offer a service for less money. On the other hand with a good company makes a move is like a dream.
I actually only moved with a company twice. Both were kinda good companies, nice people helping etc. But the first time we didn't calculate right and they didn't come in beforehand to calculate themselves. So, there wasn't enough space in the truck. Someone helped us the day after to get the last of the stuff out. On my second move just last year, they told me a price beforehand that was like x € an hour, so I could do a rough calculation of how much it would be. They did a proper job, even forgot to take down the blankets at the old place that were put up to protect the elevator from scratches. Also any good company will have insurance, so if anything happens, it is insured. That does include scratches etc. in the old flat, new flat, your stuff etc. The company is responsible anyway. It also does help to check comments online about the company.
To 2.: Phone and Internet contracts are really a pain in the A§$, because even with one provider the termination timeframes may differ from contract to to contract. Older ones have different termination limits than newer ones. Contracts with a fixed time have different ones than contracts with "open end". You have to check the fine print to be sure. To 3.: Every good moving company will send someone to make a list of the furniture and an estimate of the boxes they have to move. If they don't do it look for another one. That you have to write so many letters is actual german law. The BGB (Bürgerliches Gesetzbuch = Citizens Lawbook) makes a difference between Textform and Schriftform. Textform can be almost anything with letters in it, in some cases even an SMS. Schriftform means it is "written", in most cases with an original signature. And in the "good 'ol days" a contract (or any other legaly binding document) requiered a signature and had to be in Schriftform. Today you can do something like that with a click in the internet, but some companys (like banks) will send you a copy of your contract by snailmail
Well, you can get along without a moving company, you just need friends. Good friends! And trust me, when it comes to help moving, all of a sudden you usually have a surprisingly small number of friends left. But especially with the parking situation, all the stairs etc. a moving company is a good investment. When it comes to prices, definitively go for packing your stuff yourself. They often also offer packing your stuff, but that usually gets the price up to another level. When if comes to hiring professionals otherwise, if it comes for example to a washer or dryer, you do not need a professional. Those are designed to be easy to connect to power (a normal Schuko Plug) and water (a standard size tap fitting) or waste water. same with dishwashers by the way You can do this yourself easily and you will not void any waranty by doing so, unless you possibly open up the appliance and work inside. But, if something you connected starts leaking (which is hard to achieve unless you severly crossthread the water hose) it is your problem. If something a professional connects starts leaking, it is a problem for their insurance (and all businesses have to have insurance for that). The oven and cooking range connected to electricity on the other hand is another thing. It can easily be done if you know what you are doing and feel comfortable about it. And as long as you do anything behind the meter no one really can say anything about it (also I highly discourage anyone not comfortable or knowledgeable from working on the breaker panel or high power connections like for the oven, as those usually are three phase with 380 V). So you can hook up light fixtures as well as your oven yourself. But as mentioned, only if you really feel comfortable about it. If not or you don´t know anything about the three phase panel your oven and cooking range hooks up to, I highly recommend using the service of an electrician. Just hooking up an oven or some light fixtures usually doesn't get too expensive as well. Also you may find some moving companies who offer those services as well, either having qualified staff (one of the movers for example either being an electrician or what is called a "Elektrofachkraft", which is a qualification for non electricians to officially work on electric circuits to some extend, or subcontracting a professional.
I think your detailed scenes and sequences of cuts are very successful. It must be an incredible effort to film the details, such as: B. Put your shoes on, grab the key, open the door and start editing afterwards, although it only takes a few seconds to produce finished material. In my opinion, this makes the videos come alive and often underlines what you want to convey with the video.
Thank you so much!! We're really glad you enjoy it. The editing part is one of my favorites. It is a creative bit to these videos that I find interesting.
I can only tell you as a German, but I don't see why it would be different for you: You do not need to deregister. I also just moved and I only had to register at the new office reponsible for me. I also didn't have to have my car registry redone, only the part that I have to have on my while driving. I also didn't have to give them my bank account, as they could get it from the old registration. But an office has to have some digital thingy to be able to do it, so that won't work all the time. I also didn't have to get new plates for the car, but could keep the old one. So it was just telling them the new adress, showing them the paperwork from registration and have them do all the rest. What I actually did have to do and which took a few letters, was getting my dog registered at the new adress. You actually have to deregister and register a dog. But it did work well. I just sent in the badge from the old place including the form of deregistration and a few days later I got a reply telling me it was all done (also, how much tax was left to pay, I don't think you get a refund for too much tax paid, but I could be wrong). Same with registration: Sent in the form, and a few days later you'll get the new badge and a letter telling you how much tax you have to pay I also didn't tell the Finanzamt that I moved. I can just do that through the next tax declaration. But I did set up a postal service that forwards any letters etc. to my new adress. It's only Deutsche Post, but most companies and offices use that.And it's like 17€ or so for 6 month. That should cover most letters you'll receive before having told everyone that you in fact did move. The Deutsche Post will tell everyone, who sent a letter to your old adress that you did move and your new adress. It may be different with the Finanzamt, if you have a business. I actually don't know that, even though I write books and sell them. I haven't hit the spot yet, where it all actually left hobby and went to professional. So, I don't make money as of yet. It may be different afterwards. I'll find out then... I also didn't sent out any official letters to update my adress. I did tell my insurance agent though and she did some of the updating, at least of the insurances that I got through her. Wasn't that much work, to be honest. Regarding phone contract for Internet and Phone at home: Normally, if you move and your old provider cannot provide service at the new adress, you have a so called Sonderkündigungsrecht. So a special termination right. You tell them that you are going to move. If they can't provide service, they have to accept a termination even on shorter notice. On the other hand, if they can provide the same service, you do not have the right to terminate early. All that does not include the updated and better customer protection that you now have since January this year, that shortens termination periods, especially if a contract is renewed. Also, you yourself may register parking space for moving. And then have friends (and if nearby family) help and load the truck etc. You just have to set up the signs yourself (at least where I live). You can get them at certain places for a little fee, ask the office - or hire a professional to coordinate the signs. Because, you also have to take the signs back, if you put them up yourself and if you move further away, having someone do it for you is easier. But moving companies will do all that, if they think it is needed.
I recommend creating a Nachsendeantrag which will mean that Deutsche Post will forward all snail mail sent to your old address to your new one. It costs money now and must be renewed after 3 months, but at least the first 3 months are well worth it. It allows you to catch all the businesses you forgot when you informed „everyone“ of your new address.
Yes this is another great piece of advice. We did this with our last apartment and it was totally worth it. Although I had thought we had taken care of everything and updating our addresses everywhere - I still missed a few.
@@TypeAshton Another nice perk of the Nachsendeauftrag is that Deutsche Post will automatically inform partnering companies (mostly banks and insurers) about your move and new address. What's less known is that you can use that Service (called Umzugsmitteilung) for free without a Nachsendeauftrag as well (although it makes sense to do both at the same time).
Like some people have mentioned, there is a Sonderkündigungsrecht if you move and can't use the service anymore. However, the provider has to (and wants to) provide the service at your new place. Only if they do not cover the new adress they will usually terminate the contract. Already having a different provider does not count. Good luck!
Important thing to do, when you moved in to your new home: Create a "Nachsendeauftrag" at Deutsche Post (German Post Service), thus all your letters from all your contracts (e.g. insurances, banking letters etc.) will be send to your new address automatically, even it is send to the old one. This can be done for up to a year. Some letter marked as "Nicht nachsenden" will be returned to the sender and the sender gets information about your new address, so this reduces a lot of work to report your new address to all contracts you have and might not even think about.
That's a comprehensive list. One other thing that took us by surprise was the concept of moving one's kitchen! Or moving into an rental without a furnished kitchen and having to do that yourself.
Something I also recall about moving into an apartment in Germany in the early 1990s is that, unlike the United States, when you move into an apartment, even a rental, you don't get anything. No appliances, no kitchen counters, not even light fixtures. You get bare walls. You will have to supply everything.
ive moved so often here in germany and never have I had an apartment/house without kitchen or light fixtures etc. It really depends on what you find, but taking your own kitchen with you when you move is not forbidden and not rare, that is true. but like I said the other is not difficult to find either.
I think it is important to point out, that registering with your municipality also registers you as voter for all types of government you are eligible to vote for. which is a separate process in the US.
When I moved back from Switzerland to Germany, there was actually very little bureaucracy. Both Bürgerbüros ask me what date to put on the papers (so there would be no gap or overlap, important for the Finanzamt). The only problem was the German Zoll. They wanted a security of 500 Euros because I had no papers with me that showed Abmeldung and Anmeldung. But they were happy with electronic copies, sent by mail and returned the money promptly
You don’t always need to have physical originals in Germany but Ashton should have probably said in her video where electronic filing is allowed, its a good idea to make backup paper copies so you have proof you did file all necessary forms. In America, nearly everything can be done online and in the rare instance I got a paper check, I found I could still deposit the funds electronically, saving me the hassle of going to the bank in person to deposit the check! There exist workarounds to bureaucracy everywhere so if you find yourself having to do a mountain of physical paperwork, ask if there’s an alternative. You may find there is one so its be sure to ask about it rather than assume it doesn’t exist. Making things easier on oneself can definitely cut out unnecessary hassle and simplify a move.
@@wora1111 I only brought it up because the fault was from the government end - they knew who I bank with but for some reason, they thought I had an account with a bank I never did business with! The only reason I got sent a paper check was they couldn’t send funds electronically to my bank account they did have on file! Bureaucracy.
Unfortunately most of the things mentioned are true. But maybe worth mentioning in regards to the canceling of contracts is the fact that for some of them something like a dedicated right to cancel exists (Sonderkündigungsrecht). This originates from the fact that you most likely can not use the service at the new place anymore and therefore are allowed to cancel them on short term. And there is no need to deregister. I moved quite a lot and just registering at the new place is always working like a charm. :-)
When it comes to your phone for example, there is one important difference. As she mentioned moving is an easy thing to do. If they cannot provide the service at the new place, it also is supposed to get out of the contract, as they cannot provide a service. If they can provide some sort of service, and you may just want to change to a different provider for whatever reason, that may get complicated.
You don't need to deregister, you only need to register your new address. It happens, if you change the floor in the house, the steets and/or the village or the town/city.
As a german I learned from my parents to keep a full shelf with binders that are organized by topic like insurane, job, living etc. that are filled with original documents or copies of these. Even if you want do complain about mailfuncitoning stuff you bought in a store - it is not uncommon only a original bill may help you in that situation. So for some gurantee stuff that is important to me, i'm also keeping a full binder with copied bills and the original one attached to it (in case the ink will fade)XD For your phone service thing: New contracts closed in the EU (since last week or so) MUST be able to terminated by a one month time now. Also if you are moving you do have some Sonderkündigungsrechte, but they vary from your moving and the accessability of you current provider.
oh wow really?! 1 month is so much easier. I know when we moved 3 years ago, we only had 2 month's notice, and we had to double pay our internet and cable for MONTHS overlap. It wasn't an outrageous expense, but still kind of annoying.
They're also not allowed to roll your contract into another long term one anymore. So fail to cancel your 24m mobile contract in just the right window and it doesn't automatically renew for 24m again. It just becomes a 1m rolling contract
@@UnExcited42 no it's absolutely true. Any contract that ends after 1st of march, (ie now) can not automatically be renewed for 12m or 24m. They can only be renewed on a per month rolling basis.
My American experience can be helpful. A provider like phone and Internet can differ not only from address to address but from city to city! A move is never smooth nor predictable. You can’t foresee what you need to do until you actually get there in person and paperwork isn’t of much help. And I have to file some change of address with various places after I’ve moved and not before. The reason for that is a move to a new place can be very last minute!
Great video, informative even for Germans! As someone who lives in a single person household I’d like to add a perspective though: I moved a few times in Germany and apart from the telephone company and the registration office, I did not inform anyone. Even the tax office got notified by my new Rathaus (as did the old Bürgeramt). I did pay a hefty fine after my first move, though for being late in registering! Also: I did not have any warranty problems with my self-connected washing machine. But that is heavily relying on being lucky enough to have a sensible repair guy (inside your warranty time) who decides that as long as everything is done the right way, he doesn’t care whether a professional did it. Professional movers can be a great idea, especially when one or both ends of the move are on city streets like you described! However, among people I know independent of individual affluency, Singles and couples (so, smaller households) who move relatively small distances mostly just rent a van and organize a bunch of friends to help move. This is, of course, not so easy for families with larger amounts of stuff to move, or when the moving distance is too big for friends to be on both ends of the move and go home in the evening. This way of moving also exists here and is not uncommon.
I think we are probably going to be moving with a mixture of both professional movers and them moving at nights/weekends with our own car. The distance is only 20km and thankfully we will have about a month of overlap from when we get the keys to our home versus when we have to give up the keys to our apartment.
We have loads of those plastic folders and literally 2 full billy bookcases rammed full of different folders and boxes. We even have a cooler sized box in the house that is fire and flood safe with the most critical documents inside. Although some of it is just because my German wife can't part with paper. We literally still have insurance renewal quotes from a car we sold 5 years ago.
I really mean it when I said I have never invested more in paper filing and paper protection more in my ENTIRE LIFE than when I moved to Germany. Seriously, the guy who holds this patent must be set for life. lol.
The one I forgot to notify when I moved was the Deutsche Rentenversicherung (German State pension). Not someone I have regular contact with and it was only about 5 years later that I realised I hadn’t received my annual statement for some time that I remembered why. Having moved twice in that time it took a while to re-establish the correct address with them.
I don't remember notifying the Deutsche Rentenversicherung when moving the last time (some years ago) ... but as it was the same day as starting a new job, I guess that they probably got my address from my employer when they registered me at the DRV as a new employee (?)
I think I have moved more than 17 times within Germany. It’s true, it can be awful when you pay double and when your household gets larger. I would like to emphasise that you said quality movers are helpful - the emphasis on quality. We had a rogue firm who I ended up having to deal with legally. Since then, we‘ve always paid a student to help us, instead of a firm. My little tip is to organise a Nachsenderantrag for your post. You can do it for a year, and then anything you‘ve missed will come straight to your new address with a sticker on, so you‘ll know you need to notify them. And you are so right about the plastic envelopes lol ! Original documents have a completely different to in GB.
Yeah we have also heard some horror stories from bad movers. We got pretty lucky I think and found a local, reputable place that also lets us only pay per item moved. I think we will only need them for the bulky items, and we can move the rest ourselves. Pretty cool!
My most important advice about moving (anywhere): Don’t do it!!! 🤣 Yes, I know, it‘s necessary and/or desirable sometimes. It‘s been 5 1/2 years since I last moved, but it seems to me that the Einwohnermeldeamt (as known here) also notified the Finanzamt and that was automatically changed. But I can‘t swear to that, so be sure to ask. And it may vary from one state to another as well. The moving company arranged for the reserved parking spaces for the move. That worked fine at the old apartment - but the police forgot to put up the signs at the new place! Fortunately, the movers found a parking space not too far from the front door. The biggest pain about registering for me at that time was that you not only have to do it within 14 days, but you cannot do it before you have actually moved! I left for the States 10 days after my move and was gone for almost 8 weeks. At least you can/must make an appointment these days and you can go to any Einwohnermeldeamt (in the past, you could only go to the one where the new residence was), but appointments were only made up to something like 6 weeks from the present date, and they were taken very quickly. I was given a workaround, but fortunately, I found an office where I could get an appointment before I left. Still, it caused problems for my car insurance because they still had the old address and it didn‘t match the new one. But I got it all straightened out. About termination notices in general: There is a (relatively new) legal distinction between „Textform“ and „Schriftform“. The first includes emails, the second does not. But if it says you can give notice in „Schriftform“ or „schriftlich“, this generally includes faxes these days. The definitions have been added to the BGB (I think that‘s right. Or is it the HGB?). I have sworn this was my last move until I leave this place feet first, but my father said that, too, and, well, fate had one more move in store for him after all.
For me moving within Germany was easy fortunately. Only things you mentioned I had to do were: Sign new rent contract. Cancel the rent contract by signatured letter mail. But that feels like normal for me because I also signed the contract together with the landlord with my personal signature. Go the next "Bürgerbüro" and register the new address on the Personalausweis ID card, Car licenses and stuff like that. The new rent contract (signed by me and the landlord) was needed for that. Never had to go to the old Bürgeramt to opt out there. Maybe it is different for not German citizens? I also never had my own business so I think all the other paper work was automatically changed by my employers when I told them, that I have moved. I didn't even had to inform my health insurance company. Never had to block the road for parking. When I did move by myself and a lot of helping friends and a rented van or by a professional company with their own trucks we never had to block parking slots. We just used the driveway slots. If anyone would be blocked we just can move it away for a minute. Also there is a law that you can cancel your ISP contracts within a month (30 days) so probably your ISP is doing something illegal or your information on that topic is outdated. When long contracts were legal I just informed my ISP that I am moving and they moved the connection on the day of moving to the new destination. In case they couldn't provide service at the new destination you have a "Sonderkündigungsrecht". That was the case even before the 30 day contracts law. If you need more information about your rights google the "Verbraucherschutz" or "Verbraucherschutzzentrale". They will keep you informed about your rights because it seems like your friends or whoever you talked to only told you your responsibilities but not all the rights you have. :D
Good video, as always! While I have moved countless times in my life (within Germany), I don't really care much about administrative burdens, but I do think that the overall hassle with moving in Germany is not much different from that in any other country. ;-) Speaking of administrative burdens: We ran into a special issue after our last move, and you might with your next move, too. Our new house was not yet properly registered as being "finished", and obviously you cannot live in a non-finished house. 🤪 So we had to wait for another month (!) until the construction department (Bauamt) had finally registered our house as being ready so we could in turn register our new address - needless to say, we did not have to pay any fines. 😉
10:00 Well, if your Provider is not available at your destination adress when moving, you have a socalled "Sonderkündigungsrecht", wich means: you can cancel your contract within a short period of time and you don't have to pay for a overlapping time period. Things tend to get difficult if you want to take your phone numbers with you (assuming you move within the same phone number area). Then your provider might punish you for leaving him with a variable amount of extra-payments.
While having to register to your municipality will certainly be a strange things for your American viewers, it really comes with a perk - unfortunately in this case only for Germans and in some cases EU citizens. And that is, that you do not have to register yourself for being able to vote! Whenever an election comes up, you will get your notification for being able to vote some weeks before the election, and can take that (or just your ID or passport) to your local polling station and cast your ballot. No need for extra registration. This also means, that to some degree social barriers regarding your right to vote are a little bit mitigated and voter turnout in Germany is usually significantly higher than for example the United States, as (almost) everybody who has the right to vote, should also automatically be invited to do so.
@@TypeAshton now add the electoral college from the american election system, so actual votes count instead of, who really does understand what, or this hilarious gerrymandering to make the voting districts and voters distribution match a preferred outcome (For those who don´t know what gerrymandering is, I have lately seen a nice graphic showing three different distributions with people voting 60 % and 40 % for the two parties. in total of course the 60 % won. with evenly distributed districts (which I would compare to our "Wahlkreise"), 60 % won. with the districts tailored to vote distribution by gerrymandering, suddenly the 60 % party only very highly won in two districts of five, while in the other two the distribution was such that the 40 % party won the districts. and only the district as such counted for the final result.) I am not even sure if gerrrymandering would work in Germany today, as without doing a lot of research and getting a count of how many people in which area tend to vote fr which party by asking at every single house, from the election data you would get no clue who and where in which district votes for which party, so you have no data to tailor your districts. Ah completely different topic, that really would get a long video. For sure a weird system in the US from our perspective... I think I prefer to stick with ours.
This is what the National Registry is for in Norway. No need to mess with things like this, its all in one place. They mail a voting card to you with info on when and where to vote when the time comes. But you don't have to bring it, though it may take them a bit longer to verify you if you don't. You do have to bring a valid ID. That would usually be a drivers license or passport. If you can't get to a voting location due to a medical reason, you notify the municipality ahead of time and they come home to you and collect the vote.
@@TypeAshton looks like the next elections in Baden-Württemberg will take some time until spring 2024, when the local elections will probably held together with the election to the European parliament again (apparently both share the term length of 5 years). This might not be as shiny or look as high-profile as the next Bundestagswahlen (autumn of 2025) or the next elections of the federal state of Baden-Württemberg, but the exciting thing about local elections and EU elections is, that these two are the ones, where you are allowed to vote as a EU citizen and not only as a German. So, still quite some time until then, but that could also be made into an opportunity? Maybe you will have the chance to get to know the people who might run for the council in 2024 in your new home town/village by then and ask them for their experiences and motivations in your video? Local municipal politics in Germany is very often much more consensus-oriented or at least looking for some cooperation instead of hard majorities. So it hopefully would not be too controversial.
In Germany this is way too complicated, here in Croatia it's not necessary to do that as long as you are in the country.. Anyway we love your videos and all the best to all of you..
Also especially in larger cities, I would recommend not to worry too much about your 14 day deadline on registering to your new municipality. Because many of them would not be able to offer your an appointment within this timeframe anyway and they know exactly, that this is not something you can do anything about. As long as you just show you made at least some effort to comply with this law, I think there will be no city government that is really keen on fining you just for that. This law is mostly there to have some legal authority against someone who really doesn't want to comply! Just make sure, you try to show up somewhat near your date of movement and not 6 months or years later!
Good to know! Thank you so much for sharing this! Someone else also mentioned that the timeline for an appointment at the Rathaus is something like 3+ months currently in Berlin. Crazy!
@@TypeAshton I don´t think, that you would have to pay a fine, if you move within a city and register late on your own. But it should be a different story, if the city/municipality finds out before you register on your own. Cities/municipalties get a small share of the federal income tax for every registered person! That´s the reason why they are so keen to get the registration as quickly as possible, if you move from a different place. You can be sure, that they will deregister you at the same time too. The risk of a fine gets higher if you move to a differnt city and fail to register within the year of your move. The people at the Rathaus/Bürgerhaus have quite a bit of leeway in regards to the fine when you register late So it´s difficult to say, how late you can be with your registration. The fine is up to and not 1.000 € immediately and handing out fines means extra work the people at the Rathaus and their workload is already pretty high. So do the math.
Don't just put Kündigungen in a mailbox. Send them per Einschreiben (registered mail). What also works: faxing. While scanning and emailing does not count as an original, faxing does. Please note that using a scanner to scan a signed document and then using an online faxing service has always worked for me in the past Please note that this advice may be out of date. I moved to California 8 years ago
Faxing still works fine. E-Mail is meanwhile also allowed as a method of cancellation esp. for contracts made online. This works best with companies that have dedicated service e-mail adresses. For more expensive things like rental contracts I'd still cancel via signed letter sent as "Einschreiben mit Rückschein". Here the receiver has to sign a note that the postal worker handed out the letter to him personally. This is the only way that is bulletproof if it comes to legal dispute or even a court trial. A fax sent with transmission report (best one where a copy of the sent content is also attached) is still also accepted at court though...
@@Otternase2011 Just handing the letter over in person and having the receiving person sign a receipt also works with the advantage over "Einschreiben mit Rückschein" being that the note can't get lost in the mail.
1) You'll only need to register at the new municipality, they'll deregister you at your old and carry all relevant information over. This also applies for your registered cars, as long as the respective office also renders the DMV services. This is often the case, but not always (I don't live in Freiburg but had to go there to register my car because our DMV is in Freiburg and not at our Bürgeramt). 2) The notice time for contracts was recently changed for all new and existing contracts (except insurances) by law, given your minimum duration is over. Any extension beyond this now has to be indefinite with a guaranteed 1 months notice. This is implemented in several steps, but for phone, internet and mobile contracts, this became effective Oct.'21 already. In addition, there's a pretty large set of extraordinary termination rights which also cover situations like moving to a new place or out of coverage or even out of country. 3) Moving itself, you don't necessarily require a professional, but all the benefits you listed sure make it a good idea, especially if you move to or from inner city locations.
All great points. I think we are going to wait to purchase a car until after we move. We sort of figured it would just be easier to register is once and get license plates for our new municipality.
@@TypeAshton It is now allowed to keep the same license plates. I think that changed last year. Before you could keep it if you were moving within a state (Bundesland). Now even if you are moving to another state the license plate can be kept.
@@V100-e5q Like in the US, the only time you need to change a driver license, license plate is when you move to a new state. You have to add your new address to your driver license until it gets renewed. When they come out with a digital driver license, you can update an address change online and its just stupid there’s no way to update a physical driver license in a mobile society! Nothing is ever easier in life though it should be.
When moving into a rented flat, you usually have to pay a deposit. Normally, you pay that through a money transfer. Keep a copy of the receipt you received from your landlord for that, or keep a copy of your bank statement that shows that you have paid the deposit. When you move out, you have to prove that you have paid the deposit back then. If ou do not have proof, the landlord does not need to pay back the deposit.
Most Internet Providers in Germany will terminate your contract early if they are unable to provide services at your new address. Sometimes there is also a clause in your contract, that if you move, and the provider cannot provide services at the same level at the new location, it is also reason for immediate termination (if you are not satisfied with a much lower speed p.ex. - Vodafone used to have this). Some providers try to weasel out of this, but those are the ones, you should never ever make a deal with in the first place. You can however with most providers check on their website if their services will be available at your new location, and sometimes - if they are - make a deal so that on your moving day they switch off the new on your old location and switch it on at the new one, making for a seamless transition. Deregistering is not necessary. You have to register your car(s) at the new place of residence if you move into the region of a different DMV, but you can keep your plates now if you wish. Therefore, you cannot say anymore, that a car with a certain license plate has to come from town XYZ - the owner might have moved. When cars change ownership, they have to be registered at the new owners DMV though, with an appropriate (new) license plate.
I live in Denmark and I can see that this saves me a lot of trouble. So many of our official and private systems are connected. Every grownup person has to have a digital id, which also serves as a signature. And the system also keep our documents. I don't think I've had to actually sign or print out a document for the last ten years. So as soon as you move to a new adress everyone will know. Your new municipality, your bank, your phone company and so on. But as to the physical moving it's the same here. We also have these regulations about making sure that everything is connected properly toeverything. I'll say authorities aren't that strict, so if you know what you're dealing with you can actually do it yourself. (But of course it's on your own risk)
You can send documents via FAX and they count as an Original. The reason behind it is that the data is not saved and possibly manipulated and the sender is identifiable. Additionally the phone line provider is legally required that the lines are private and reasonable protected. All this is not given with an internet connection.
Hey guys, in Germany you just have to register in the town you’re moving to. They’ll automatically deregister you at your old hometown. And you have to register at your new hometown within 14 days after you’ve moved. You don’t need to do this up front!
Hi, regarding registering your new address. Don't forget to also let your Fahrzeugschein (Vehicle registration) change. There is your address printed on and this has also to be changed. I forgot this, well didn't know, as I moved and some time later I got a letter in my mailbox reminding me that I have to do this. Regarding the electrical connection. The Washing Machine usually has a normal cable. Just plug it in and everything is fine. But for the Stove this is a entirely different story and voiding your warranty is the least of your problems. If it's wrong connected or has a bad connection and this causes a fire your mandatory fire insurance you have as house owners won't pay anything. They will pay any damage that your neighbors might have due to this fire but they also will try to get everything back from you and for your own house. Well no good news there.
EXCELLENT point about the insurance issue! and thank you for the added info on the car registration. We are going to hold off on buying a car until we move just for this reason. That way we only have to register it at our new address.
Movers: 1.) Make sure that they put up the signs for the special parking zone there right in time. 2.) Make sure that nobody steals those signs (= happened to us) uf this happens pls inform movers asap. 3.) Check that nobody parks in your moving zone- inform movers! They know how to handle the guys from towing (yes, they are allowed to tow!! You paid for the special parking zone) In Germany it is used that you provide the guys from the moving w/ soft drinks, water, coffee and stuff like belegte Brötchen. If you add Kuchen in the afternoon they will love more. The more care you take the more you get w/o paying extra. A tip( per person) afterwards is also highly appreciated.
As usual, a video which was researched in an excellent way. I think, for the internet contract, there is a new law which allows to cancel a contract which shorter notice, once you have elapsed the initial contractual period. For the washing machine, you don't need any professional to install it. For the stove, you need them.
Hello Ashton Some Triks that make moving easyer... you can rent some Students for helping your ASTA knows more. Next offical must helps with Informations and Letters. Move in the public office, put your hands in the jacket. Than speak this Text:" ich bin hier erschienen, mit dem Antrag auf Niederschrift um... (Anliegen) zustellen!" That meens the officer had to write your official letter, but in a form that shoud be okay. If there a formal misstake it was not your fault . That ist a lot of work for the officer and they will show you the simplest way. For provider thy must move your contract to the new place, if not the contracts end at the next month. Yes for US it is a lot of work..
A few people have been asking to see them, so I thought it would be a fun addition to have them in this one. They're getting older so they can't do the big adventurous stuff (Georgia is 12 now and can't go long distances). But we are SO excited to give them their own yard in the new house.
Very good explanation, very helpful for anyone, who want to move inside Germany. By the way: It is not necessary, to say good by to your old Rathaus, it is sufficient to report to your new hometown.
An experience I made in Switzerland is that things tend to get more complicated and bureaucratic, the bigger the city is. I used to live in a very small village with a Wochenaufenthaltererlaubnis (meaning my main registered place where I paid my taxes was actually elsewhere). Now a couple of weeks prior to me moving out this permit happened to run out, so I called at the village's local office to ask how I should proceed. The answer I got? Oh don't worry, just let me know when you move and where to and we'll get everything processed for you... Easiest move ever, I didn't even have to leave the house once to get all done, they actually mailed everything to me.. that taught me that it pays to ask the local authorities as it can differ a lot! Another thing about TV and stuff. If it's technically possible, at least in Switzerland you don't have to actually terminate your contract if you stay with the same provider. With cable it's as easy as letting them know when and where to you move. Others may need more time to set up stuff and you may have to pay extra for the new setup but other than that you can usually stay within your contract.
@Black Forest Family usually if you are forced to change internet providers when moving you get special rights to get out of a contract you normaly wouldn't get out of. That only applies when your current provider can not deliver to the place you are moving to, if they can they just move your current contract to your new address. But of course you sometimes have to be adamant about what you know, because companies be companies and they "forget" to tell you certain things on the phone to get more money.
Quick tip, not all regulations in contracts with mainly American companies in Germany are legally binding by German law. A contract cannot provide a worse condition then German general law. Therefore in some cases it can make sense to check the contractual conditions against legal conditions and in case of any violation in general it is enough to get your lawyer to write a simple letter pointing this out for companies to let you of the leash ;)
I also think this is so very important for digital nomads or other immigrant families thinking about relocating to Germany - if you work in Germany your employer has to play by the German rule book.
We used to say "Dreimal umgezogen ist wie einmal ausgebombt" (moving three times equals your home getting bombed once), especially when the generation that experienced WWI was still around. That pretty much sums up how much stress it is. You are correct with all the paperwork that is required. When I left Germany, I had to file an Abmeldeformular, which I still have in my possession because it may be required for certain transactions at the German consulate. I also had to get formal permission from the Kreiswehrersatzamt (look it up) to suspend my conscription military reserve status in order to legally leave Germany for more than three months (yeah, months!). On the flipside, the lack of control in the US is equally fascinating, just in the opposite way. For example, when I registered to vote, not only did they not want to see my brand-new naturalization certificate, they also did not require any form of ID or proof of address. Nobody ever asks for ID when actually voting, either. It is truly stunning. The same is true with this pandemic: While in Germany they have all these 3G and 3G+ rules, where people need to prove their status everywhere they go and leave their traceability information at every restaurant, here in the US nobody even bothers to ask. That said, there are no gefälschte Impfpässe (fraudulent vaccination certificates, apparently a rampant problem in Germany) here, because people simply don't need them. Thanks for your posts, they bring back memories of "how things used to be" for me.
Als wir umgezogen sind, haben wir eine Umzugsfirma mit Elektriker und Monteuren engangiert, zum Glück hatte sowohl unser altes Haus als auch unser neues eigene Parkplätze. Das Alte hatte aber keinen Aufzug, wir waren im 2. Stock!
what I as a German hate the most is that we have a system in our Country's IDs for online authentication and the government does not make ANY use of it! When you move you have a right to terminate your provider regardless of ISP or other Service provider (Außerordentliches Kündigungsrecht) otherwise you can just say you are moving and that is your new address and the Service provider will transfer your service to the new address. Also you can go to the city yourself to reserve some parking spaces but that's time you will need to invest yourself and if you have a language barrier take the professional route!
From what I understand is that some federal and state funds to communities are based on the number of inhabitants. Same with parts of the road tax. So the are interested in getting new inhabitants here as fast as possible. And for moving vans e.g. parking in no parking zones, ou can get an excemption, but you need to apply for it beforehand with the local ordinances enforcement department (Ordnungsamt).
I'm just comparing this with what I had to do when I moved from one town to another in the UK about 6 years ago. From memory, I had to inform the local council in both cases, essentially to stop paying the council tax at the old property and start paying at the new one. Both I think I did on line, although a telephone call was possible. I had to re-register to vote at the new address, but that was just a standard update. I also had to transfer my TV licence, my car registration details, my driving licence details and my details with the HMRC (tax authorities), although that can wait until the end of the tax year. All of that was on line. None of this cost anything from memory. No doubt if there are children at school there would be a raft of other things too. The transfer of properties was done through a conveyancing solicitor in both cases, and that dealt with all the land registry issues. That was expensive, and especially the tax the government charges when buying a property. That, for more expensive properties, can amount to quite a lot of money. Of course that doesn't apply to rentals. Of course there were non-governmental things, such as changing addresses for things like car insurance, bank accounts, insurance and so on, but no personal visits required for any of this.
Thats true there is a lack in communication between german authotites authoerities. However if you move inside Germany you only need to register at your new location at least I whenever I moved even from the City of Stuttgart to a City close to Munich I only registered at my new location.
I moved to Switzerland for a few years and than back to Germany, actually to the same address as before I left. I then went to the Einwohnermeldeamt to register. They took my Personalausweis and glued a little address sticker over the spot where it tells the address covering my old (identical) address, except now without the Postleitzahl. I asked why and they told me, that the Postleitzahl is not part of the address because it is issued by the 'Post' and not by the state/country.
I've moved the last time some 25 years ago. Before that I did switch homes I believe 8 or 9 times across Germany. So happy that I haven't had to do that for so long and if everything goes according to the master plan, I will move only one time more at an unknown time in the hopefully far future - to the graveyard.
I run into the fine trap as a German. Before I moved I lived with relatives for a few months until I found an apartment. I was still registered with my parents then. So I had to make an official declaration about the entire situation and the entire process got revoked. It also helped that I was quite young and moved for the first time. German bureaucracy is not only efficient but most times not without a heart. Of course, I didn’t make that mistake again when hubby and me rented together next time. Since we moved within the inner city there wasn’t a deregistering necessary and the tax office is also the same. Funnily the spam mail found us faster than any official letters or private snail mail. We moved without a service but we didn’t take our furniture with us since most of them we 20-30 years already and wouldn’t have taken the disassembling & assembling well, besides we had twice the room now and didn’t had lots of furniture. So we only had to pack boxes who we did alone. We had 3 months to pack most things, so it was totally okay. All daily necessary things we did pack in the overlapping month. We had the luxury to have the money to pay rent for two apartments for one month. We did count what a moving company would cost to leave the place spotless or if we did this ourself, so paying rent twice was cheaper since we had enough days off leftover from the year before (luxury for US americans). With our new apartment we maybe would choose the company since most of the furniture and electronics would leave with us. Depends where to move.
you don't need to write a physical letter in most cases. E-Mails and simple phone calls are accepted to 90%. If there are legal reasons why they don't accept an email they let you know. p.s. It's always written down in the AGB's
Interesting! Our last land lord, and this landlord we have first notified via email and they both told us "thanks for letting us know, but legally we need a signed physical letter". I was also told the same thing by Jack's Kita after I initially notified them via email. Maybe it's a BW thing.
You also can send a fax. There are a lot of online sites where you can send a fax and they use a font for your signature that looks like a hand written one. Mostly for free. No printing or other stuff.
Thank you for the very interesting video, as a matter of fact I do hate the paper work stuff too, but certain things do make sense if you change the perspective. The fact that some agencies do not automatically distribute changes to other agencies has also some data protection aspects. It is well recognized from your history that highly integrated data about people do make bad things much easier. The pink lists from the beginning of the 20th century are just one example for that, for finding and locating certain groups of people by the officials. The cancelation of suppliers contracts by moving is a kind of weirdto me, because of the exceptional cancellation right ("Sonderkündigungerecht") if your moving out of the range of your previous supplier this is an exceptional situation, otherwise you just continue you contract at the other location, but may be it is just my experience. You do not need a specialist for the washing machine or dryer, those machines do run by standard connectors, the oven is different, but because you are dealing with 380 volt currents for an oven you might consider this a smart move to leave it to an electrician. I really like your videos, due to learning things again I got adjusted to during my life and never questioning them anymore. Thank you for giving this insight into my own country and your perspective
Great video again. I especially liked that you found examples both of times when German bureaucracy can be really annoying as well as when it can actually be helpful. We Germans like to make fun of our bureaucracy, and there are definitely many areas where it can and should be improved, but there are reasons why it exists the way it does. There is indeed no need to deregister. The registration system is long-standing and well-tested, and I've never heard of anyone having an issue with it. Just register at your new Bürgeramt and you'll be fine. You might want to check online if you need to make an appointment, though. Due to Covid, many government offices have adopted that system, and you sometimes need to book them weeks in advance. Having been both a soldier and a "Beamter", I can tell you that paper is most definitely king in Germany, especially in government offices. "Schriftlich in dreifacher Ausführung" is often used as a jokewhen talking about applications or forms, but that's because it's still true sometimes. I've had to fill out and sign paper forms that were many pages long in triplicate form before, because apparently they all needed to be original or they wouldn't be valid. Germany has been pushing for digitalization for over twenty years now, but the pace at which that is going makes a snail look like a racecar. Getting professional movers is definitely a good option in your position. I know that moving with small children can be especially challenging. An interesting custom in Germany is to get other people to help you move. For the customary payment of beer and pizza, you can get close friends and family to come help carry things, provide large vehicles or trailers, drive moving vans (as long as it isn't too far) and such. I think that that's especially used byyoung people, and I'll have to defer to some of my older landsmen in the comments as to how this holds up once you and your friends have children, but I've been on both the receiving and providing end of that custom, and it's a nice way to get everything done quickly and cheaply.
Most is true as described but it is not that much of a hassle compared to other countries. Moving as a foreigner within Germany is not so different compared to moving as a foreigner to or within another country. (I moved with my family 7 times in an international environment with plenty of government contact within a time span of 20 years, so I believe I can guesstimate what is involved, including the U.S. 🙂) Internet and Phone Services can be moved and do not to be cancelled with most providers if the provider offers services at the new address as well.
Good morning dear Forest Family, while it is certain true, that you have to install your New stove via an Elektriker with a practitioner masters degree. You dont need one to install your washingmachine or dryer to keep your guarantee. These are fairly easy and considered to be done by the User themself. Don't worry about that.
Additional fact, you can do all your paperwork with the Finanzamt etc. online if you have activated you onlinefunction of your Personalausweis once you have gone through the process of becomin' german citizens . They offer a ton of onlineservices or so I thought when I started looking for onlineservices of Freiburg. As a Berliner I am used to do almost every little thing regarding paperworks via Berlins onlineservices... turns out every city cooks their own soup... But it may be helpful to lookup which kind of services might be offered at your new location that can be done with the onlinefunction of your Personalausweis. I don't know if the functions apply for permanent IDs for forreigners but it is woth a shot.
Jeeze! Sounds like Germany is living in the 90s still... Here in Norway you technically only have to update the address at the National Registry and postal service, Posten Norge. All gov authorities as well as banks, insurance companies, employers and more can access this to get updated info. And it can be done online using BankID, the online id system in Norway. The postal service will also forward mail sent to old address for free for two months. I believe most internet and tv subscriptions have a one month notice as well.
In some ways, Germany is still stubbornly "old-school". I remember when I was applying to University, they told me either I had to mail back "original signatures" via certified mail or send via fax. My first reaction: "I don't know where to even find a fax machine anymore....?"
Love watching your videos even though I am a german haha but i have lived overseas for a long time and its so fun to see what difference you have noticed. And google is correct. No need to deregister if you register elsewhere :) Also hate those cancellation periods in germany!
"Abmeldung" is not necessary, the new Buergeramt will take care when you file "Ummeldung". The one exception that I have experienced is when you move abroad (e.g. back to the US). I have a funny passport renewal story involving a previous Buergeramt and the German consulate in San Francisco... Also, if you move a significant distance or out of a service area, you will have "Sonderkuendigungsrecht" for a lot of contracts (i.e. utilities, telecom, gym memberships etc.), even if the provider tries to tell you otherwise! LG aus Koeln!
I have moved very often within Germany in the last 35 (?) years and normally when I register at my new place of residence (within 14 days), I am automatically deregistered at the old place of residence. I do not know it differently! And I never had to inform the tax office, they always knew where I was! Unfortunately... :-) But I don't know if this works exactly the same for "immigrants"! BTW: For Internet providers and termination right there is a new law since 01.12.2021! Especially as far as the notice period is concerned. In addition, there are special termination reasons, for example, a move! Google afterwards!
I want to warn everybody who wants to come from abroad: depending on your individual case, it can take many months to deal with all the registration process at the foreigners Authority (Ausländerbehörde), and until you actually will have all your legal papers in your hands, it can take more than half a year. In between you can get into a status that is half illegal but if you want to ask the authority, how to do it better or so, they just don't answer for weeks, and then they don't answer helpfully... And you might loose the right to cross the borders again... you end in a trap! Not necessarily but it happened to my British friend. And then you loose your right to drive with your foreign driving license... and all this paper works cost so much time AND money! Tax stuff and health insurance can be also very complicated, if you are not a "standard case".
When I moved for the very first time within a city as a undergrad I went to do the de-re-registration 7 months after moving (literally across the street from my old address) and was incredibly scared to get fined. Nothing happened, can't tell you how much of a relieve that was :D
It's up to the person processing your stuff to slap you with a fine. If you're friendly, they're more likely to waive it. Also, they know students are dirt poor.
Hi Ashton I think you experienced this most Time very annoying burocrazy and this fully incapability in digitalization.here in Germany. Especially in official offices like Rathaus or Bürgeramt the digitalization had been oversleept During the past 20 years. .when i last move I Just realized that the Office made a mistake. They had forgotten to deregiister from my Frist adresss so I got Problems with my fees för TV and Broadcasting Service. So I would highly recommend make absolutely sure that when you register at a new Adress that the oid one is definety deleted. Normaly you needn't deregister yourself because the Office has to do it för you when you Register at your new adress. Unfortunately sometimes you have to Deal with stupid and uncapable and bored Office workers. .
Ich hab mich nie irgendwo abgemeldet außer beim Vermieter. Mit der neuen Adresse anmelden und dabei erwähnen das die alte Adresse damit hinfällig ist hat immer gereicht. Wobei mein letzter Umzug ist solange her das sich das inzwischen auch geändert haben kann 😅 Ich bin mir nicht sicher ob es rechtens ist das Telefon-, und Internetanbieter überhaupt noch sechsmonatige Kündigungsfristen haben. Solltet Ihr Euch mal erkundigen. Ich meine dazu gäbe es irgendwo ein Grundsatzurteil dass das nicht rechtens wäre. Außerdem besteht die möglichkeit den Anschluß "mitzunehmen" sofern Ihr den Anbieter nicht wechseln wollt und der Anbieter im neuen Wohngebiet auch liefern kann. Dann muss man nur angeben zu wann der alte Anschluß abgeschaltet und der neue angeschaltet werden soll.
Very interesting regarding the hand written letters on paper when moving considering how the internet has taken over everything! I’ll tell you my parents who are in their 70s who don’t like technology would love this lol
Most important before you move, throw away all the garbage that was collected in the old house or flat. This can be time consuming and is not only important in Germany but everywhere.
Moving in Germany is the same as moving in the Netherlands. And with the advent with the Schengen area it is just the same as everywhere in that area. Were you to apply for a German passport and want to move to anywhere in that Schengen area it is just like moving cities.
Nice video! My home country is terrible with paper and how govermental instutions interact. I lived a few years in Denmark, it is so much more digitzed and efficient over there. 😕 Regarding the fines and so on: There is a saying "Du isst nicht die Suppe so heiß wie Du sie kochst!", so even when I was 2 weeks above the deadline of registration, I never had to pay. Well, my recommendation: Try to take several weeks off for the move. It takes a lot of time before everything has found it's new place. Some employers grand a few extra vacation days to their employees. Moving is simply a lot of effort.. ;-) -
when i moved i did a "Post Nachsendeauftrag" at the postoffice. basicly they check for like 3 month every letter that goes to your old adress, if its for you, or the new people living there. if its for you, they will send the letter to your new adress. so if you miss to change your adress anywhere, you would probably find out, if you receive a letter that was send to your old adress, at your new adress. it cost like 90 € or so for 3 month.
your internet/telefone/gas/electricity provider HAS to leave you out of your contract if you move and their services are not available at your new location. there is a lot of consumer production in Germany. usually unreasonable payments (for stuff you absolutely have no way of using) is illegal in Germany.
I think we are going to need to call them and ask again. The issue is that our house is already pre-wried for glass fiber with telekom. It is even written into our house contract that we will enter into a contract with them.... but I do this Vodafone still "technically" services our town as well. It feels like a grey area.
@@TypeAshton Ask Vodaphone to move their service to your new house. if they can’t (which is a given as Telekom has the only access) it’s not a grey area anymore :). For this kind of stuff it’s great to contact your local „Verbraucherschutzzentrale“ (consumer protection agency).
Phone and Internet can move with you actually. If the provider can't supply the service at your new adress, you have a "Sonderkündigungsrecht" to cancel the contract by end of the next month.
You're right, there is some actual paperwork to do for moving and other things here. However, let's be happy about that, because that's the one thing that all authorities could agree on. Because, when considering recent experience with federal and municipal regulations about you-know-what, I don't want to imagine how many different apps, devices, procedures and identity verifications you would need to do this electronically, not even considering that Germany is worse than some developing countries regarding network coverage, sadly.
De-registration is only necessary if you leave Germany permanently. If you register in the town hall, they record where you lived before and report it to the other authority. Registrations are necessary for various reasons. - On the one hand, the voter lists will be updated. - There is also the foreigners council. Although they do not have strong voting rights, they advise the city on questions from foreigners. - in the case of strangers, this gives the city an overview of how many are there and what needs to be done for them. - Each city also receives payments from the state and federal government based on the number of inhabitants. - the reports for the census are also used. I have now received a PIN for my identity card. If the bureaucracy makes it on the Internet, I can use it to identify myself online. There is also something like this for residence permits, but you have to see whether the offer is worth the effort.
This is EXTREMELY helpful! Thank you! And we can totally see how there are a lot of advantages to the registry system. In the US it seems a bit like a hodge podge of a census every 10 years, and voter registration being weirdly tied to the Department of Motor Vehicles to keep your address updated. Interesting stuff!
The 24 month internet and telephone contracts are a problem. Therefore, the maximum time has now been limited to 12 months. When I wanted to move, the 24-month period ended 4 months earlier. The provider didn't want to let me switch to a contract that could be canceled on a monthly basis. So I canceled this in good time and went to another provider for 4 months with a monthly cancellation basis. In addition, I also have to have the landline number switched to another provider. Terminations are often only in writing because they have to be signed with a ballpoint pen. There is no authentication via the internet that the providers know. This now goes so far that there is a termination service on the Internet that inserts a cursive signature instead of a real signature. But the mobile phone provider accept that...
For the washing machine and dishwasher, it's a simple plug, but you'll need to be familiar with plumbing. I'm just saying the English water pipe inches aren't 25.4 mm, they're something around 32 mm. Terms like 3/4 and 1/2 are still used and are often confusing because you can switch the caliper to US inches but not English water pipe inches.
I believe you can terminate your contracts if you have important reasons for it like when you move. I'm not too sure right now but I think I did it this way three years ago.
Off topic to the move but something I wanted to mention. That Asus router is most likely has out of date firmware and should be replaced with something a little more secure. A Pfsense firewall or if you don't want to spend a ton of money a Ubiquiti router(Only if you have less than 1GB down and if u don't need any advanced features). They are both the same form factor as your current Asus router. BTW Ubiquiti is a good option and will be updated for years to come with security patches. Do not buy the 500 to 700 dollar model that you really don't need. You can get by on a cheap USG router that is under 140 euros. Really recommend you throw out Asus router as they are rarely updated and can have actively exploited vulnerabilities that will never be patched.
When I left Germany I had to deregister. other than that you just go to the einwohnermeldeamt in charge of your new address and register there. Also, the 14 days count from when you actually move in and sleep there, not when you buy the place or when your rent starts. For example, I rented an apartment from February 1st but I'm still living somewhere else. I called the amt to ask and that's what they told me.
This is so helpful!! We will likely have an overlap of a month or so with both our apartment and when we take ownership of the new house since we need to have the kitchen installed and some repairs done here. It is good to know that the 14 days doesn't start until we officially move into the new house.
I never heard that you need a professional for dis/connecting a washing maschine. This is so easy, so you can save that money, just do it yourself. For the stove... you officially need an electritian and this one really bears a risk of causing a fire or hurting people, if done inncorrectly. Most moving companies offer a full service for some additional costs, to pack and unpack all of your stuff after the move. This is totally worth it if you want to get it done fast and avoid handling boxes for months after the move. But many people don´t want other unknown people to handle heir private stuff. The 14 days for official registration... yes, thats the norm, but if it takes 3 weeks you will not get too many complaints. I have never heard of someone who got fined for this one.
But - if you are not familiar with washing machines, you may make mistakes. It is possible that some belts inside may dislocate if the machine is tilted during transport. Disconnect / connect may be easy (but - I already saw people connecting the washing machine without a gasket) checking if it is ok at the new place may be a good idea if the owner is not so technically experienced.
i've moved 5 times and ive never needed to deregister any of my older addresses ^^ Also, nowadays you can find all sorts of internet providers (even the big ones) that offer no contract-period tarifs, meaning you can cancel within 30 days. Usually a bit pricier than a 12-months or 24-months contract, but if you know that you won't stay at the place for too long, it might be a good idea to choose it. But im wondering, if you're opting for the same internet provider and the same tarif at your new place, i don't think its necessary to terminate the contract. I think you just have to let them know you're moving. All they gotta do is to send a technician to your new place to do..stuff. But if you're changing to a new provider then there's also an option to change, i think you don't even need to wait until your contract ends. They'll just change the contract for you from the older one to a new one, if im not mistaken.
Moving is always a pain in the a... The only positive is the (forced) opportunity to declutter your stuff..and occasionally to find stuff that you have forgotten to have.
hahah agreed! The number of times Jonathan and I have said "how did we collect so much crap?!" in the past week is amazing. I refuse to move clutter from one house to another. We've donated a lot of clothing and household items in the past few days.
Same rules apply in Denmark, but I was somewhat surprised about all the trips you had to make 😲 !! Here you could do most of this from home and online. I would have expected the same in one of the most well organized and efficient Countries in the world. Yeah! I agree. Get those professional movers in. The entire parking thing for them, also applies to DK. The Washer/Dryer thing..., yeah.., same here. Wish you the best at your new Home 👍😊👍 ! Held og Lykke (Danish for "Good Luck") 😊
There is still a number of important acts of bureaucracy in Germany, that require you to do it in person, due to our law. The responsible administrator has to check your identity and compare it to the real person in real life. The registration process of your home is one of those. Your identity as a German citizen, voting rights, taxes distribution (and avoidance), legal adress etc. are connected to this and they don't trust online services for that (yet). Many other small things can be done online though.
Every country has a level of bureaucracy, but how it's handled, is different 😀 ! You can pay your bureaucrats reasonably well or..., ! Basically you get what you pay (taxes) for 😀
I actually only need to show up at our "Bürgeramt", if I need to renew my passport or drivers license, since both require current pictures (that they need to take). Otherwise mostly anything else, can be done online. You can actually digitally sign online as well! Just as binding, as your handwriting on a piece of paper😀. ua-cam.com/video/mfcBxTsiDN0/v-deo.html
@@KHValby Showing up in person to register yourself, has the same status as to renew your passport or your drivers licence in Germany. Your registration is actually just as important over here, as it works as a "fundation" for your passport or drivers licence (and for many more things, like paying your taxes and your voting rights, like already mentioned). They are connected with each other and can't be done online or by a different person. They actually always change your passport to a new one, when you register a different adress. Your adress is printed on your id card and it has to be changed with a new adress. So it is technically always the process of getting a new passport. Your registered adress also serves as your legal mailbox. Germans have to have one and it has to made sure, that it's not compromised. It would be davastating, if it would be possible to cheat the system. Foundings would be wrong and even election results would turn out to be illegal. Sure, there are ways to safely identify yourself online, like some banking companies do or methods that are used for online exams. But German bureaucracy loves to be slow to adept new things. Especially when they are aimed to make it easier for the people, instead of making it easier for the administrator. They do use methods to identify yourself online via your German passport, to manage some of the smaller things. The current gen passports are designed for that. I'm not entirely sure if this also works with all other EU passports. It might. But it's certainly not working with US passports or with something from outside of the EU.
I do not know if it has already been mentioned. If you move with a business, it must be de-registered at the old address and re-registered at the new address.
This is a great point! We are always SO nervous about messing something up with the legal aspects of our business. Thankfully the notary that we used to register our business has also offered to help make sure the move of our business goes smoothly as well.
Ich habe ein aktuelles Beispiel aus der Famillie, wir haben meine 80 jährige Mutter vorrübergehend bei uns aufgenommen ohne sie umzumelden. Obwohl sie ihre alte, eigene Wohnung noch hat bekamen wir nach 4 Monaten ein Brief von der Behörde zur Stellungnahme. Das Ergebniss war, sie kann noch weitere 6 Monate bei uns wohnen ohne sich ummelden zu müssen. Wir mußten auch keine Strafe bezahlen. Das einzige was wir umgemeldet haben war die Postadresse. Gemäß dem Sprichwort, " Es wird nicht so heiß gegessen wie gekocht wird" ;)
Professional movers: Yes I agree, they may do a lot beside. But - one should know, there are different services payed individual you may book. - The own capacity is limited, you should keep a good amount of you time for coordinating and unseen jobs. If you do it all yourself, everything unplanned item affects many others. - Kitchen: In the minimum they move the parts. My current kitchen was moved in the base price. But I contracted a carpenter to install it. He worked more than one day on it (special circumstances). I simply did not have the capacity of doing this ( as I was capable of that). Also kitchen: Often you will need new countertop. This must be bought, transported, customised and installed. A lot of work, that can be outsourced. - Electrical: Once my cousin moved. A "friend" connected her stove. He made a mistake. After that the places overheated and the stove was ruined in a month (it was wired for 1 phase - but he connected it between 2 phases).
I had to deal with a contract termination notice and I simply put mine on indefinite hiatus rather canceling my contract, which would compel me to pay a hefty fee. Good enough since I don’t know when I could resume service on it and in all the places I stay, that’s provided for me than I arrange it for myself. Keeping it in limbo is an odd way to deal with moving but starting afresh isn’t always an option for people. Ain’t moving fun?
Household item.... refrigerator. dishwasher. the stove. washer/dryer. or lamps. -is NOT standard equipment in European houses, and is something you have to go out and buy yourself.
You also should hire an electrician when you reinstall an oven or something like that, if not your insurance will not cover for example a kitchen fire, or when you need to do plumbing, and you do it without a professional or at least get your work approved by a professional, flooding, and stuff like this will not be covered by the insurance. And when you lend your property to others and anything of the electronics installation isn't done by a professional to the newest standard, you might pay extreme high fines. That's also a reason why DIY home projects don't exist that much in Germany.
This is a really excellent point. That reminds us of another video we made recently where we talked about working on a historic car in our garage. Jonathan has a 1969 Oldsmobile 442, and we were surprised to learn that you really can't do that here in Germany either.
@@TypeAshton actually, you can, but you need to meet some requirements. For example, when you made any changes to the safety features you need to go to the TÜV, and when you do an oil exchange you must prove that there is never the chance that any oil gets into the ground or the waste water system. I worked with my dad on “historic“ cars (they get a special license plate and then there are different regulations applying…) And in my opinion the institution like TÜV is something good also the mandatory exhaust Examination (AU) and also the regular inspection (HU). And I know In some states these regulations get applied also slowly. When you have any questions about some regulations, just reach out to me, I write my thesis currently about some ecology regulations and standards for companies. So, I think I am good at understanding them (and I work closely with the TÜV so when I don’t know a regulation I know the correct person to ask)
Don't forget to let the "Beitragsservice" (formerly known as "Gebühreneinzugszentrale (GEZ)") know you new address which can be done online, even in English, Spanish, French, Chinese, Arab, and Russian. (One might wonder what that is about - well, in Germany [and, btw, in Austria, France, UK, ...] there's an obligatory monthly fee to be paid for public broadcasters; you cannot "escape" that duty, so make sure the "Beitragsservice" knows your "Beitragsnummer" in combination with your NEW (and current) address..)
YES oh man, I think we might just make a video on this alone. We recently got a notice that we have to pay this service for public broadcasters for our BUSINESS... even though our business is located in our home... the same home where we also pay this fee.
@@TypeAshton No such extra fee for your business according to the official "Beitragsservice" web page, quote: "Rules for self-employed persons and freelancers working from home [...] However, if this permanent business establishment can only be entered through the private home, it is exempt from the fee. The private home must be registered with the contribution service. ..." Personally, I appreciate the high quality of the German public broadcasters (ARD, ZDF, 3sat, ARTE, Deutsche Welle DW [the latter two available in English as well; the former on UA-cam with English subtitles] and many more - I'm pretty confident that you, and above all, your son will do so, too - really independent, politically neutral, well researched, profound information is nice to have not only in times of crises... What's more there isn't many commercials / interruptions..."the price of democracy"
They've always been with us, they're just usually lounging somewhere around the house sleeping or following around Jack waiting for him to drop snacks on the floor. They are also older dogs and quite do the big excursions anymore with us. Georgia is 12 this year and she usually maxes out on her walks around a mile or two.
Especially for the stove hiring a professional mover is also "helpful" as some also have the "certification" to disconnect and (re)connect it to the electricity. This is usually not a big deal - if you know what you are doing (otherwise 5 cables can be confusing) however if there is a fire caused by the wiring it could also have an effect on your insurance. As only professional and certified electricians are allowed to connect the stove, once you have the invoice of the mover and/or electrician you may need to present it to the insurance company that they pay - otherwise they may reject it (at least partially). Regarding the registration, as a German I only registered at my new location and it worked perfectly fine. As the address is also on your ID card (at least for German citizens) it will be changed by the new Rathaus.
In Germany, you have to take your kitchen and light fixtures with you, since you own them. Hence professional movers since its not only the usual household stuff that’s accompanying a move.
@@NormanF62 you actually don't own lightning and kitchen in all places in Germany. Depending on where you are, you may find more or less flats coming with kitchens and maybe even lightning, at least for some rooms. The first two flats I lived in on my own came with a kitchen, the second even with partial lightning. When searching for my new flat last year, I did find quiet a few that did include a kitchen. I eventually picked one without a kitchen, but it was an option. Also, you may find flats that already contain some furniture or a washing machine etc. Someone in my new neighbourhood told me that there's empty flats near her place that come with a kitchen and a washing machine already installed. Also, I didn most of my moves with friends and family so far. You can just get a professional to do the disconnect and reconnect. Some even offer to just move your stove or washin machine, so they also do the transport and setup after disconnecting everything.
we build our house 10 years ago and we needed a roadblock for a crane. we made our calls with the town hall and road maintenance department. after that the bill came and we had to pay immediately. the roadblock never came and we ask then why we had to pay when there was never a roadblock. the anser was that the order allone is enough to make us pay and we cant do anything about it....
I moved from Berlin to Nürnberg, and I did not have to deregister from Berlin. The Bürgeramt in Nürnberg was able to deregister me at the same time they were doing my registration there. And as I am separated from my husband, he was staying at the old address, and I was moving to a new address, and they were able to deregister just me, while keeping him registered there. (I did have to fill out a form explaining why we are not living together, though.) Are you sure you have to inform the Ausländerbehörde and Finanzamt about a move? The Finanzamt knew to issue your tax ID based on your initial Anmeldung. And when I was registering in Nürnberg, they were able to even apply a physical updated address to my elektronische Aufenthaltstitel, which they had asked for and checked on.
Hi again. Interesting things you mentioned here. Well living in Austria seems be different but it is still EU so it should be also working in Germany more or less. To simplify all paperwork there are EU projects of digitalisation which of course have to be done by each country. In Austria you can already do the most important things that way, so no travel and appointments needed. Adress registration, car, tax and even digital signature (pdf) are common and sometimes even preferred. Email for other providers are totally working and sometimes they also provide themselves application forms on their website. I can't really remember that I had to run around the last 10 to 15 years. Take a look at this. Germany has to offer this too. Maybe you need some digital registration only once but then it changes a lot. Even some small elections are already working that way. It's the way EU should work and there are a lot changes into that direction.
While I'm not 100% on that, and the requirements are slightly different case by case, I'm quite sure that that doesn't work in Germany. In many places you need to still send physical letters, and in case of the adress registration you need to go there personally. I'm sure you're correct in that it has to work like that by EU law, but that sadly doesn't help you if it simply doesn't work like that in reality :D
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Hopefully this will answer dome of your questions
1) As long as you're not moving out of Germany you can just register at your new municipality. It also doesn't take long, usually the waiting time is longer than the registration.
2) About the termination, thankfully there is a new EU law that introduces more protection for consumer. E.g. when the telecommunication contract is renewed the termination period is max. 1 month. It also applies to older contracts, so the renewal of 12 months stuff will not apply anymore. Since the 1st of March 2022 more protection is introduced and as of 1st of July 2022 you have to be able to cancel online (with a simple button) when the contract was signed online, and when the page does not have such button you can terminate immediately.
3) Tipps to pick a good moving company:
When hiring a moving company make sure you read the contract properly. I recommend to create a list with all items (e.g amount of boxes, size of bed or fridge, ...) and make this list as part of the contract. Usually good companies will create such list themselves, but the bad ones don't. If you don't have one and it's a bad company they will ask for more money or just leave for stuff behind or on the street (to get more money).
In case you need "Halteverbotszone", ask if they provide the setup. This includes a) getting proper street signs, b) have the correct time & date on the signs, c) requesting them early enough, at least 2-3 weeks before, d) setting them up properly with enough distance and multiple days before the move, e) removing them again and f) have an insurance in case a sign falls on a car or worse on a person.
Also, after everything is at the new place, check it. Do not just sign and day "jeah everything is fine". Check for scratches, broken pieces and so on. Also, always get an estimation of "Kostenvoranschlag", with it the actual costs can not be higher than 20% of the estimation.
Last thing: check for proper "Handelsregisternummer" and "Umstatzsteuernummer", red flag when there is none. We moved last year and we asked more than 10 moving companies for an estimation. Just half of them provided a list and some did not even have a legal company.
Unfortunately there are many bad moving "companies" because a proper one is not cheap and it's easy to offer a service for less money. On the other hand with a good company makes a move is like a dream.
I actually only moved with a company twice. Both were kinda good companies, nice people helping etc. But the first time we didn't calculate right and they didn't come in beforehand to calculate themselves. So, there wasn't enough space in the truck. Someone helped us the day after to get the last of the stuff out. On my second move just last year, they told me a price beforehand that was like x € an hour, so I could do a rough calculation of how much it would be. They did a proper job, even forgot to take down the blankets at the old place that were put up to protect the elevator from scratches.
Also any good company will have insurance, so if anything happens, it is insured. That does include scratches etc. in the old flat, new flat, your stuff etc. The company is responsible anyway.
It also does help to check comments online about the company.
To 2.: Phone and Internet contracts are really a pain in the A§$, because even with one provider the termination timeframes may differ from contract to to contract. Older ones have different termination limits than newer ones. Contracts with a fixed time have different ones than contracts with "open end". You have to check the fine print to be sure.
To 3.: Every good moving company will send someone to make a list of the furniture and an estimate of the boxes they have to move. If they don't do it look for another one.
That you have to write so many letters is actual german law. The BGB (Bürgerliches Gesetzbuch = Citizens Lawbook) makes a difference between Textform and Schriftform.
Textform can be almost anything with letters in it, in some cases even an SMS. Schriftform means it is "written", in most cases with an original signature. And in the "good 'ol days" a contract (or any other legaly binding document) requiered a signature and had to be in Schriftform.
Today you can do something like that with a click in the internet, but some companys (like banks) will send you a copy of your contract by snailmail
Well, you can get along without a moving company, you just need friends. Good friends! And trust me, when it comes to help moving, all of a sudden you usually have a surprisingly small number of friends left. But especially with the parking situation, all the stairs etc. a moving company is a good investment. When it comes to prices, definitively go for packing your stuff yourself. They often also offer packing your stuff, but that usually gets the price up to another level.
When if comes to hiring professionals otherwise, if it comes for example to a washer or dryer, you do not need a professional. Those are designed to be easy to connect to power (a normal Schuko Plug) and water (a standard size tap fitting) or waste water. same with dishwashers by the way You can do this yourself easily and you will not void any waranty by doing so, unless you possibly open up the appliance and work inside. But, if something you connected starts leaking (which is hard to achieve unless you severly crossthread the water hose) it is your problem. If something a professional connects starts leaking, it is a problem for their insurance (and all businesses have to have insurance for that).
The oven and cooking range connected to electricity on the other hand is another thing. It can easily be done if you know what you are doing and feel comfortable about it. And as long as you do anything behind the meter no one really can say anything about it (also I highly discourage anyone not comfortable or knowledgeable from working on the breaker panel or high power connections like for the oven, as those usually are three phase with 380 V). So you can hook up light fixtures as well as your oven yourself. But as mentioned, only if you really feel comfortable about it. If not or you don´t know anything about the three phase panel your oven and cooking range hooks up to, I highly recommend using the service of an electrician. Just hooking up an oven or some light fixtures usually doesn't get too expensive as well. Also you may find some moving companies who offer those services as well, either having qualified staff (one of the movers for example either being an electrician or what is called a "Elektrofachkraft", which is a qualification for non electricians to officially work on electric circuits to some extend, or subcontracting a professional.
I think your detailed scenes and sequences of cuts are very successful. It must be an incredible effort to film the details, such as: B. Put your shoes on, grab the key, open the door and start editing afterwards, although it only takes a few seconds to produce finished material. In my opinion, this makes the videos come alive and often underlines what you want to convey with the video.
Thank you so much!! We're really glad you enjoy it. The editing part is one of my favorites. It is a creative bit to these videos that I find interesting.
I can only tell you as a German, but I don't see why it would be different for you: You do not need to deregister. I also just moved and I only had to register at the new office reponsible for me. I also didn't have to have my car registry redone, only the part that I have to have on my while driving. I also didn't have to give them my bank account, as they could get it from the old registration. But an office has to have some digital thingy to be able to do it, so that won't work all the time. I also didn't have to get new plates for the car, but could keep the old one. So it was just telling them the new adress, showing them the paperwork from registration and have them do all the rest. What I actually did have to do and which took a few letters, was getting my dog registered at the new adress. You actually have to deregister and register a dog. But it did work well. I just sent in the badge from the old place including the form of deregistration and a few days later I got a reply telling me it was all done (also, how much tax was left to pay, I don't think you get a refund for too much tax paid, but I could be wrong). Same with registration: Sent in the form, and a few days later you'll get the new badge and a letter telling you how much tax you have to pay
I also didn't tell the Finanzamt that I moved. I can just do that through the next tax declaration. But I did set up a postal service that forwards any letters etc. to my new adress. It's only Deutsche Post, but most companies and offices use that.And it's like 17€ or so for 6 month. That should cover most letters you'll receive before having told everyone that you in fact did move. The Deutsche Post will tell everyone, who sent a letter to your old adress that you did move and your new adress.
It may be different with the Finanzamt, if you have a business. I actually don't know that, even though I write books and sell them. I haven't hit the spot yet, where it all actually left hobby and went to professional. So, I don't make money as of yet. It may be different afterwards. I'll find out then...
I also didn't sent out any official letters to update my adress. I did tell my insurance agent though and she did some of the updating, at least of the insurances that I got through her. Wasn't that much work, to be honest.
Regarding phone contract for Internet and Phone at home: Normally, if you move and your old provider cannot provide service at the new adress, you have a so called Sonderkündigungsrecht. So a special termination right. You tell them that you are going to move. If they can't provide service, they have to accept a termination even on shorter notice. On the other hand, if they can provide the same service, you do not have the right to terminate early. All that does not include the updated and better customer protection that you now have since January this year, that shortens termination periods, especially if a contract is renewed.
Also, you yourself may register parking space for moving. And then have friends (and if nearby family) help and load the truck etc. You just have to set up the signs yourself (at least where I live). You can get them at certain places for a little fee, ask the office - or hire a professional to coordinate the signs. Because, you also have to take the signs back, if you put them up yourself and if you move further away, having someone do it for you is easier. But moving companies will do all that, if they think it is needed.
I recommend creating a Nachsendeantrag which will mean that Deutsche Post will forward all snail mail sent to your old address to your new one. It costs money now and must be renewed after 3 months, but at least the first 3 months are well worth it. It allows you to catch all the businesses you forgot when you informed „everyone“ of your new address.
Yes this is another great piece of advice. We did this with our last apartment and it was totally worth it. Although I had thought we had taken care of everything and updating our addresses everywhere - I still missed a few.
@@TypeAshton Another nice perk of the Nachsendeauftrag is that Deutsche Post will automatically inform partnering companies (mostly banks and insurers) about your move and new address. What's less known is that you can use that Service (called Umzugsmitteilung) for free without a Nachsendeauftrag as well (although it makes sense to do both at the same time).
Like some people have mentioned, there is a Sonderkündigungsrecht if you move and can't use the service anymore. However, the provider has to (and wants to) provide the service at your new place. Only if they do not cover the new adress they will usually terminate the contract. Already having a different provider does not count. Good luck!
Important thing to do, when you moved in to your new home: Create a "Nachsendeauftrag" at Deutsche Post (German Post Service), thus all your letters from all your contracts (e.g. insurances, banking letters etc.) will be send to your new address automatically, even it is send to the old one. This can be done for up to a year. Some letter marked as "Nicht nachsenden" will be returned to the sender and the sender gets information about your new address, so this reduces a lot of work to report your new address to all contracts you have and might not even think about.
That's a comprehensive list. One other thing that took us by surprise was the concept of moving one's kitchen! Or moving into an rental without a furnished kitchen and having to do that yourself.
Yes! when we first moved to Germany this surprised us as well!
Something I also recall about moving into an apartment in Germany in the early 1990s is that, unlike the United States, when you move into an apartment, even a rental, you don't get anything. No appliances, no kitchen counters, not even light fixtures. You get bare walls. You will have to supply everything.
ive moved so often here in germany and never have I had an apartment/house without kitchen or light fixtures etc. It really depends on what you find, but taking your own kitchen with you when you move is not forbidden and not rare, that is true. but like I said the other is not difficult to find either.
I think it is important to point out, that registering with your municipality also registers you as voter for all types of government you are eligible to vote for. which is a separate process in the US.
Yes this is an excellent point!!
When I moved back from Switzerland to Germany, there was actually very little bureaucracy. Both Bürgerbüros ask me what date to put on the papers (so there would be no gap or overlap, important for the Finanzamt). The only problem was the German Zoll. They wanted a security of 500 Euros because I had no papers with me that showed Abmeldung and Anmeldung. But they were happy with electronic copies, sent by mail and returned the money promptly
Ah that is super interesting!
You don’t always need to have physical originals in Germany but Ashton should have probably said in her video where electronic filing is allowed, its a good idea to make backup paper copies so you have proof you did file all necessary forms. In America, nearly everything can be done online and in the rare instance I got a paper check, I found I could still deposit the funds electronically, saving me the hassle of going to the bank in person to deposit the check! There exist workarounds to bureaucracy everywhere so if you find yourself having to do a mountain of physical paperwork, ask if there’s an alternative. You may find there is one so its be sure to ask about it rather than assume it doesn’t exist. Making things easier on oneself can definitely cut out unnecessary hassle and simplify a move.
@@NormanF62 Funny you mentioned checks. That is one of the few things where Germany does not use paper any more.
@@wora1111 I only brought it up because the fault was from the government end - they knew who I bank with but for some reason, they thought I had an account with a bank I never did business with! The only reason I got sent a paper check was they couldn’t send funds electronically to my bank account they did have on file! Bureaucracy.
@@NormanF62 Sounds like a positive thing to me. They chose an alternative way to make sure you got your money rather than forget about it.
WOOOOW…. that all sounds very stressful. At some point, the well-deserved rest period comes. I treat you to them from the bottom of my heart. 👍
Unfortunately most of the things mentioned are true. But maybe worth mentioning in regards to the canceling of contracts is the fact that for some of them something like a dedicated right to cancel exists (Sonderkündigungsrecht). This originates from the fact that you most likely can not use the service at the new place anymore and therefore are allowed to cancel them on short term.
And there is no need to deregister. I moved quite a lot and just registering at the new place is always working like a charm. :-)
When it comes to your phone for example, there is one important difference. As she mentioned moving is an easy thing to do. If they cannot provide the service at the new place, it also is supposed to get out of the contract, as they cannot provide a service. If they can provide some sort of service, and you may just want to change to a different provider for whatever reason, that may get complicated.
You don't need to deregister, you only need to register your new address. It happens, if you change the floor in the house, the steets and/or the village or the town/city.
As a german I learned from my parents to keep a full shelf with binders that are organized by topic like insurane, job, living etc. that are filled with original documents or copies of these. Even if you want do complain about mailfuncitoning stuff you bought in a store - it is not uncommon only a original bill may help you in that situation. So for some gurantee stuff that is important to me, i'm also keeping a full binder with copied bills and the original one attached to it (in case the ink will fade)XD
For your phone service thing: New contracts closed in the EU (since last week or so) MUST be able to terminated by a one month time now. Also if you are moving you do have some Sonderkündigungsrechte, but they vary from your moving and the accessability of you current provider.
oh wow really?! 1 month is so much easier. I know when we moved 3 years ago, we only had 2 month's notice, and we had to double pay our internet and cable for MONTHS overlap. It wasn't an outrageous expense, but still kind of annoying.
They're also not allowed to roll your contract into another long term one anymore. So fail to cancel your 24m mobile contract in just the right window and it doesn't automatically renew for 24m again. It just becomes a 1m rolling contract
@@UnExcited42 no it's absolutely true. Any contract that ends after 1st of march, (ie now) can not automatically be renewed for 12m or 24m. They can only be renewed on a per month rolling basis.
My American experience can be helpful. A provider like phone and Internet can differ not only from address to address but from city to city! A move is never smooth nor predictable. You can’t foresee what you need to do until you actually get there in person and paperwork isn’t of much help. And I have to file some change of address with various places after I’ve moved and not before. The reason for that is a move to a new place can be very last minute!
Great video, informative even for Germans!
As someone who lives in a single person household I’d like to add a perspective though: I moved a few times in Germany and apart from the telephone company and the registration office, I did not inform anyone. Even the tax office got notified by my new Rathaus (as did the old Bürgeramt). I did pay a hefty fine after my first move, though for being late in registering!
Also: I did not have any warranty problems with my self-connected washing machine. But that is heavily relying on being lucky enough to have a sensible repair guy (inside your warranty time) who decides that as long as everything is done the right way, he doesn’t care whether a professional did it.
Professional movers can be a great idea, especially when one or both ends of the move are on city streets like you described! However, among people I know independent of individual affluency, Singles and couples (so, smaller households) who move relatively small distances mostly just rent a van and organize a bunch of friends to help move. This is, of course, not so easy for families with larger amounts of stuff to move, or when the moving distance is too big for friends to be on both ends of the move and go home in the evening.
This way of moving also exists here and is not uncommon.
I think we are probably going to be moving with a mixture of both professional movers and them moving at nights/weekends with our own car. The distance is only 20km and thankfully we will have about a month of overlap from when we get the keys to our home versus when we have to give up the keys to our apartment.
We have loads of those plastic folders and literally 2 full billy bookcases rammed full of different folders and boxes. We even have a cooler sized box in the house that is fire and flood safe with the most critical documents inside. Although some of it is just because my German wife can't part with paper. We literally still have insurance renewal quotes from a car we sold 5 years ago.
I really mean it when I said I have never invested more in paper filing and paper protection more in my ENTIRE LIFE than when I moved to Germany. Seriously, the guy who holds this patent must be set for life. lol.
The one I forgot to notify when I moved was the Deutsche Rentenversicherung (German State pension). Not someone I have regular contact with and it was only about 5 years later that I realised I hadn’t received my annual statement for some time that I remembered why. Having moved twice in that time it took a while to re-establish the correct address with them.
I don't remember notifying the Deutsche Rentenversicherung when moving the last time (some years ago) ... but as it was the same day as starting a new job, I guess that they probably got my address from my employer when they registered me at the DRV as a new employee (?)
I think I have moved more than 17 times within Germany. It’s true, it can be awful when you pay double and when your household gets larger.
I would like to emphasise that you said quality movers are helpful - the emphasis on quality. We had a rogue firm who I ended up having to deal with legally. Since then, we‘ve always paid a student to help us, instead of a firm.
My little tip is to organise a Nachsenderantrag for your post. You can do it for a year, and then anything you‘ve missed will come straight to your new address with a sticker on, so you‘ll know you need to notify them.
And you are so right about the plastic envelopes lol ! Original documents have a completely different to in GB.
Yeah we have also heard some horror stories from bad movers. We got pretty lucky I think and found a local, reputable place that also lets us only pay per item moved. I think we will only need them for the bulky items, and we can move the rest ourselves. Pretty cool!
My most important advice about moving (anywhere): Don’t do it!!! 🤣 Yes, I know, it‘s necessary and/or desirable sometimes.
It‘s been 5 1/2 years since I last moved, but it seems to me that the Einwohnermeldeamt (as known here) also notified the Finanzamt and that was automatically changed. But I can‘t swear to that, so be sure to ask. And it may vary from one state to another as well.
The moving company arranged for the reserved parking spaces for the move. That worked fine at the old apartment - but the police forgot to put up the signs at the new place! Fortunately, the movers found a parking space not too far from the front door.
The biggest pain about registering for me at that time was that you not only have to do it within 14 days, but you cannot do it before you have actually moved! I left for the States 10 days after my move and was gone for almost 8 weeks. At least you can/must make an appointment these days and you can go to any Einwohnermeldeamt (in the past, you could only go to the one where the new residence was), but appointments were only made up to something like 6 weeks from the present date, and they were taken very quickly. I was given a workaround, but fortunately, I found an office where I could get an appointment before I left. Still, it caused problems for my car insurance because they still had the old address and it didn‘t match the new one. But I got it all straightened out.
About termination notices in general: There is a (relatively new) legal distinction between „Textform“ and „Schriftform“. The first includes emails, the second does not. But if it says you can give notice in „Schriftform“ or „schriftlich“, this generally includes faxes these days. The definitions have been added to the BGB (I think that‘s right. Or is it the HGB?).
I have sworn this was my last move until I leave this place feet first, but my father said that, too, and, well, fate had one more move in store for him after all.
For me moving within Germany was easy fortunately.
Only things you mentioned I had to do were:
Sign new rent contract.
Cancel the rent contract by signatured letter mail. But that feels like normal for me because I also signed the contract together with the landlord with my personal signature.
Go the next "Bürgerbüro" and register the new address on the Personalausweis ID card, Car licenses and stuff like that. The new rent contract (signed by me and the landlord) was needed for that. Never had to go to the old Bürgeramt to opt out there. Maybe it is different for not German citizens?
I also never had my own business so I think all the other paper work was automatically changed by my employers when I told them, that I have moved. I didn't even had to inform my health insurance company.
Never had to block the road for parking. When I did move by myself and a lot of helping friends and a rented van or by a professional company with their own trucks we never had to block parking slots. We just used the driveway slots. If anyone would be blocked we just can move it away for a minute.
Also there is a law that you can cancel your ISP contracts within a month (30 days) so probably your ISP is doing something illegal or your information on that topic is outdated. When long contracts were legal I just informed my ISP that I am moving and they moved the connection on the day of moving to the new destination. In case they couldn't provide service at the new destination you have a "Sonderkündigungsrecht". That was the case even before the 30 day contracts law.
If you need more information about your rights google the "Verbraucherschutz" or "Verbraucherschutzzentrale". They will keep you informed about your rights because it seems like your friends or whoever you talked to only told you your responsibilities but not all the rights you have. :D
Good video, as always! While I have moved countless times in my life (within Germany), I don't really care much about administrative burdens, but I do think that the overall hassle with moving in Germany is not much different from that in any other country. ;-) Speaking of administrative burdens: We ran into a special issue after our last move, and you might with your next move, too. Our new house was not yet properly registered as being "finished", and obviously you cannot live in a non-finished house. 🤪 So we had to wait for another month (!) until the construction department (Bauamt) had finally registered our house as being ready so we could in turn register our new address - needless to say, we did not have to pay any fines. 😉
WOW this is super interesting and extremely helpful! I imagine this will probably happen to us as well. thank you for the heads up!
10:00 Well, if your Provider is not available at your destination adress when moving, you have a socalled "Sonderkündigungsrecht", wich means: you can cancel your contract within a short period of time and you don't have to pay for a overlapping time period. Things tend to get difficult if you want to take your phone numbers with you (assuming you move within the same phone number area). Then your provider might punish you for leaving him with a variable amount of extra-payments.
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While having to register to your municipality will certainly be a strange things for your American viewers, it really comes with a perk - unfortunately in this case only for Germans and in some cases EU citizens.
And that is, that you do not have to register yourself for being able to vote! Whenever an election comes up, you will get your notification for being able to vote some weeks before the election, and can take that (or just your ID or passport) to your local polling station and cast your ballot. No need for extra registration.
This also means, that to some degree social barriers regarding your right to vote are a little bit mitigated and voter turnout in Germany is usually significantly higher than for example the United States, as (almost) everybody who has the right to vote, should also automatically be invited to do so.
This makes SO much more sense than the hodge podge system we have in the US for voter registration. I think this would make for a good video some day.
@@TypeAshton now add the electoral college from the american election system, so actual votes count instead of, who really does understand what, or this hilarious gerrymandering to make the voting districts and voters distribution match a preferred outcome (For those who don´t know what gerrymandering is, I have lately seen a nice graphic showing three different distributions with people voting 60 % and 40 % for the two parties. in total of course the 60 % won. with evenly distributed districts (which I would compare to our "Wahlkreise"), 60 % won. with the districts tailored to vote distribution by gerrymandering, suddenly the 60 % party only very highly won in two districts of five, while in the other two the distribution was such that the 40 % party won the districts. and only the district as such counted for the final result.)
I am not even sure if gerrrymandering would work in Germany today, as without doing a lot of research and getting a count of how many people in which area tend to vote fr which party by asking at every single house, from the election data you would get no clue who and where in which district votes for which party, so you have no data to tailor your districts.
Ah completely different topic, that really would get a long video. For sure a weird system in the US from our perspective... I think I prefer to stick with ours.
This is what the National Registry is for in Norway. No need to mess with things like this, its all in one place. They mail a voting card to you with info on when and where to vote when the time comes.
But you don't have to bring it, though it may take them a bit longer to verify you if you don't.
You do have to bring a valid ID. That would usually be a drivers license or passport.
If you can't get to a voting location due to a medical reason, you notify the municipality ahead of time and they come home to you and collect the vote.
@@TypeAshton looks like the next elections in Baden-Württemberg will take some time until spring 2024, when the local elections will probably held together with the election to the European parliament again (apparently both share the term length of 5 years).
This might not be as shiny or look as high-profile as the next Bundestagswahlen (autumn of 2025) or the next elections of the federal state of Baden-Württemberg, but the exciting thing about local elections and EU elections is, that these two are the ones, where you are allowed to vote as a EU citizen and not only as a German.
So, still quite some time until then, but that could also be made into an opportunity? Maybe you will have the chance to get to know the people who might run for the council in 2024 in your new home town/village by then and ask them for their experiences and motivations in your video? Local municipal politics in Germany is very often much more consensus-oriented or at least looking for some cooperation instead of hard majorities. So it hopefully would not be too controversial.
In Germany this is way too complicated, here in Croatia it's not necessary to do that as long as you are in the country.. Anyway we love your videos and all the best to all of you..
Also especially in larger cities, I would recommend not to worry too much about your 14 day deadline on registering to your new municipality. Because many of them would not be able to offer your an appointment within this timeframe anyway and they know exactly, that this is not something you can do anything about. As long as you just show you made at least some effort to comply with this law, I think there will be no city government that is really keen on fining you just for that. This law is mostly there to have some legal authority against someone who really doesn't want to comply! Just make sure, you try to show up somewhat near your date of movement and not 6 months or years later!
Good to know! Thank you so much for sharing this! Someone else also mentioned that the timeline for an appointment at the Rathaus is something like 3+ months currently in Berlin. Crazy!
@@TypeAshton I don´t think, that you would have to pay a fine, if you move within a city and register late on your own. But it should be a different story, if the city/municipality finds out before you register on your own.
Cities/municipalties get a small share of the federal income tax for every registered person!
That´s the reason why they are so keen to get the registration as quickly as possible, if you move from a different place. You can be sure, that they will deregister you at the same time too.
The risk of a fine gets higher if you move to a differnt city and fail to register within the year of your move.
The people at the Rathaus/Bürgerhaus have quite a bit of leeway in regards to the fine when you register late So it´s difficult to say, how late you can be with your registration.
The fine is up to and not 1.000 € immediately and handing out fines means extra work the people at the Rathaus and their workload is already pretty high. So do the math.
@@MoDKoP I moved within a Bavarian city and reregistered 3 years later, only had to pay a fine of 25€
Don't just put Kündigungen in a mailbox. Send them per Einschreiben (registered mail). What also works: faxing. While scanning and emailing does not count as an original, faxing does. Please note that using a scanner to scan a signed document and then using an online faxing service has always worked for me in the past
Please note that this advice may be out of date. I moved to California 8 years ago
Faxing still works fine. E-Mail is meanwhile also allowed as a method of cancellation esp. for contracts made online. This works best with companies that have dedicated service e-mail adresses. For more expensive things like rental contracts I'd still cancel via signed letter sent as "Einschreiben mit Rückschein". Here the receiver has to sign a note that the postal worker handed out the letter to him personally. This is the only way that is bulletproof if it comes to legal dispute or even a court trial. A fax sent with transmission report (best one where a copy of the sent content is also attached) is still also accepted at court though...
@@Otternase2011 Just handing the letter over in person and having the receiving person sign a receipt also works with the advantage over "Einschreiben mit Rückschein" being that the note can't get lost in the mail.
1) You'll only need to register at the new municipality, they'll deregister you at your old and carry all relevant information over. This also applies for your registered cars, as long as the respective office also renders the DMV services. This is often the case, but not always (I don't live in Freiburg but had to go there to register my car because our DMV is in Freiburg and not at our Bürgeramt).
2) The notice time for contracts was recently changed for all new and existing contracts (except insurances) by law, given your minimum duration is over. Any extension beyond this now has to be indefinite with a guaranteed 1 months notice. This is implemented in several steps, but for phone, internet and mobile contracts, this became effective Oct.'21 already. In addition, there's a pretty large set of extraordinary termination rights which also cover situations like moving to a new place or out of coverage or even out of country.
3) Moving itself, you don't necessarily require a professional, but all the benefits you listed sure make it a good idea, especially if you move to or from inner city locations.
All great points. I think we are going to wait to purchase a car until after we move. We sort of figured it would just be easier to register is once and get license plates for our new municipality.
@@TypeAshton It is now allowed to keep the same license plates. I think that changed last year. Before you could keep it if you were moving within a state (Bundesland). Now even if you are moving to another state the license plate can be kept.
@@V100-e5q Like in the US, the only time you need to change a driver license, license plate is when you move to a new state. You have to add your new address to your driver license until it gets renewed. When they come out with a digital driver license, you can update an address change online and its just stupid there’s no way to update a physical driver license in a mobile society! Nothing is ever easier in life though it should be.
When moving into a rented flat, you usually have to pay a deposit. Normally, you pay that through a money transfer.
Keep a copy of the receipt you received from your landlord for that, or keep a copy of your bank statement that shows that you have paid the deposit.
When you move out, you have to prove that you have paid the deposit back then. If ou do not have proof, the landlord does not need to pay back the deposit.
Most Internet Providers in Germany will terminate your contract early if they are unable to provide services at your new address. Sometimes there is also a clause in your contract, that if you move, and the provider cannot provide services at the same level at the new location, it is also reason for immediate termination (if you are not satisfied with a much lower speed p.ex. - Vodafone used to have this).
Some providers try to weasel out of this, but those are the ones, you should never ever make a deal with in the first place.
You can however with most providers check on their website if their services will be available at your new location, and sometimes - if they are - make a deal so that on your moving day they switch off the new on your old location and switch it on at the new one, making for a seamless transition.
Deregistering is not necessary. You have to register your car(s) at the new place of residence if you move into the region of a different DMV, but you can keep your plates now if you wish. Therefore, you cannot say anymore, that a car with a certain license plate has to come from town XYZ - the owner might have moved. When cars change ownership, they have to be registered at the new owners DMV though, with an appropriate (new) license plate.
I live in Denmark and I can see that this saves me a lot of trouble.
So many of our official and private systems are connected.
Every grownup person has to have a digital id, which also serves as a signature. And the system also keep our documents. I don't think I've had to actually sign or print out a document for the last ten years.
So as soon as you move to a new adress everyone will know. Your new municipality, your bank, your phone company and so on.
But as to the physical moving it's the same here.
We also have these regulations about making sure that everything is connected properly toeverything. I'll say authorities aren't that strict, so if you know what you're dealing with you can actually do it yourself. (But of course it's on your own risk)
You can send documents via FAX and they count as an Original. The reason behind it is that the data is not saved and possibly manipulated and the sender is identifiable. Additionally the phone line provider is legally required that the lines are private and reasonable protected. All this is not given with an internet connection.
Hey guys, in Germany you just have to register in the town you’re moving to. They’ll automatically deregister you at your old hometown. And you have to register at your new hometown within 14 days after you’ve moved. You don’t need to do this up front!
Hi, regarding registering your new address. Don't forget to also let your Fahrzeugschein (Vehicle registration) change. There is your address printed on and this has also to be changed.
I forgot this, well didn't know, as I moved and some time later I got a letter in my mailbox reminding me that I have to do this.
Regarding the electrical connection. The Washing Machine usually has a normal cable. Just plug it in and everything is fine. But for the Stove this is a entirely different story and voiding your warranty is the least of your problems. If it's wrong connected or has a bad connection and this causes a fire your mandatory fire insurance you have as house owners won't pay anything.
They will pay any damage that your neighbors might have due to this fire but they also will try to get everything back from you and for your own house. Well no good news there.
EXCELLENT point about the insurance issue! and thank you for the added info on the car registration. We are going to hold off on buying a car until we move just for this reason. That way we only have to register it at our new address.
Movers:
1.) Make sure that they put up the signs for the special parking zone there right in time.
2.) Make sure that nobody steals those signs (= happened to us) uf this happens pls inform movers asap.
3.) Check that nobody parks in your moving zone- inform movers! They know how to handle the guys from towing (yes, they are allowed to tow!! You paid for the special parking zone)
In Germany it is used that you provide the guys from the moving w/ soft drinks, water, coffee and stuff like belegte Brötchen. If you add Kuchen in the afternoon they will love more. The more care you take the more you get w/o paying extra. A tip( per person) afterwards is also highly appreciated.
All wonderful suggestions to make the move easier! Thank you so much.
As usual, a video which was researched in an excellent way. I think, for the internet contract, there is a new law which allows to cancel a contract which shorter notice, once you have elapsed the initial contractual period. For the washing machine, you don't need any professional to install it. For the stove, you need them.
Thank you!
Hello Ashton
Some Triks that make moving easyer... you can rent some Students for helping your ASTA knows more.
Next offical must helps with Informations and Letters. Move in the public office, put your hands in the jacket. Than speak this Text:" ich bin hier erschienen, mit dem Antrag auf Niederschrift um... (Anliegen) zustellen!" That meens the officer had to write your official letter, but in a form that shoud be okay. If there a formal misstake it was not your fault . That ist a lot of work for the officer and they will show you the simplest way.
For provider thy must move your contract to the new place, if not the contracts end at the next month.
Yes for US it is a lot of work..
I already saw a lot of your videos thanks to UA-cam‘s recommendations. But this is the first time I saw your dog. Nice.
A few people have been asking to see them, so I thought it would be a fun addition to have them in this one. They're getting older so they can't do the big adventurous stuff (Georgia is 12 now and can't go long distances). But we are SO excited to give them their own yard in the new house.
@@TypeAshton I should have waited till the end of the video to write my comment, because now I can see your other dog too. 😊
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Hey Awesome! Glad we could help.
Very good explanation, very helpful for anyone, who want to move inside Germany. By the way: It is not necessary, to say good by to your old Rathaus, it is sufficient to report to your new hometown.
An experience I made in Switzerland is that things tend to get more complicated and bureaucratic, the bigger the city is. I used to live in a very small village with a Wochenaufenthaltererlaubnis (meaning my main registered place where I paid my taxes was actually elsewhere). Now a couple of weeks prior to me moving out this permit happened to run out, so I called at the village's local office to ask how I should proceed. The answer I got? Oh don't worry, just let me know when you move and where to and we'll get everything processed for you... Easiest move ever, I didn't even have to leave the house once to get all done, they actually mailed everything to me.. that taught me that it pays to ask the local authorities as it can differ a lot!
Another thing about TV and stuff. If it's technically possible, at least in Switzerland you don't have to actually terminate your contract if you stay with the same provider. With cable it's as easy as letting them know when and where to you move. Others may need more time to set up stuff and you may have to pay extra for the new setup but other than that you can usually stay within your contract.
As always, thank you for dwelling deep!
@Black Forest Family usually if you are forced to change internet providers when moving you get special rights to get out of a contract you normaly wouldn't get out of.
That only applies when your current provider can not deliver to the place you are moving to, if they can they just move your current contract to your new address.
But of course you sometimes have to be adamant about what you know, because companies be companies and they "forget" to tell you certain things on the phone to get more money.
Yeah it seems like the conveniently "forgot" to tell us that when we contacted them abou terminating our contract with them. 😩
Quick tip, not all regulations in contracts with mainly American companies in Germany are legally binding by German law. A contract cannot provide a worse condition then German general law. Therefore in some cases it can make sense to check the contractual conditions against legal conditions and in case of any violation in general it is enough to get your lawyer to write a simple letter pointing this out for companies to let you of the leash ;)
I also think this is so very important for digital nomads or other immigrant families thinking about relocating to Germany - if you work in Germany your employer has to play by the German rule book.
We used to say "Dreimal umgezogen ist wie einmal ausgebombt" (moving three times equals your home getting bombed once), especially when the generation that experienced WWI was still around. That pretty much sums up how much stress it is. You are correct with all the paperwork that is required. When I left Germany, I had to file an Abmeldeformular, which I still have in my possession because it may be required for certain transactions at the German consulate. I also had to get formal permission from the Kreiswehrersatzamt (look it up) to suspend my conscription military reserve status in order to legally leave Germany for more than three months (yeah, months!). On the flipside, the lack of control in the US is equally fascinating, just in the opposite way. For example, when I registered to vote, not only did they not want to see my brand-new naturalization certificate, they also did not require any form of ID or proof of address. Nobody ever asks for ID when actually voting, either. It is truly stunning. The same is true with this pandemic: While in Germany they have all these 3G and 3G+ rules, where people need to prove their status everywhere they go and leave their traceability information at every restaurant, here in the US nobody even bothers to ask. That said, there are no gefälschte Impfpässe (fraudulent vaccination certificates, apparently a rampant problem in Germany) here, because people simply don't need them. Thanks for your posts, they bring back memories of "how things used to be" for me.
Als wir umgezogen sind, haben wir eine Umzugsfirma mit Elektriker und Monteuren engangiert, zum Glück hatte sowohl unser altes Haus als auch unser neues eigene Parkplätze. Das Alte hatte aber keinen Aufzug, wir waren im 2. Stock!
what I as a German hate the most is that we have a system in our Country's IDs for online authentication and the government does not make ANY use of it!
When you move you have a right to terminate your provider regardless of ISP or other Service provider (Außerordentliches Kündigungsrecht) otherwise you can just say you are moving and that is your new address and the Service provider will transfer your service to the new address.
Also you can go to the city yourself to reserve some parking spaces but that's time you will need to invest yourself and if you have a language barrier take the professional route!
From what I understand is that some federal and state funds to communities are based on the number of inhabitants. Same with parts of the road tax. So the are interested in getting new inhabitants here as fast as possible. And for moving vans e.g. parking in no parking zones, ou can get an excemption, but you need to apply for it beforehand with the local ordinances enforcement department (Ordnungsamt).
I'm just comparing this with what I had to do when I moved from one town to another in the UK about 6 years ago. From memory, I had to inform the local council in both cases, essentially to stop paying the council tax at the old property and start paying at the new one. Both I think I did on line, although a telephone call was possible. I had to re-register to vote at the new address, but that was just a standard update.
I also had to transfer my TV licence, my car registration details, my driving licence details and my details with the HMRC (tax authorities), although that can wait until the end of the tax year. All of that was on line. None of this cost anything from memory. No doubt if there are children at school there would be a raft of other things too.
The transfer of properties was done through a conveyancing solicitor in both cases, and that dealt with all the land registry issues. That was expensive, and especially the tax the government charges when buying a property. That, for more expensive properties, can amount to quite a lot of money. Of course that doesn't apply to rentals.
Of course there were non-governmental things, such as changing addresses for things like car insurance, bank accounts, insurance and so on, but no personal visits required for any of this.
Rule of thumb: when you are asked to sign a physical letter, it has potential considerable legal implications.
Thats true there is a lack in communication between german authotites authoerities.
However if you move inside Germany you only need to register at your new location at least I whenever I moved even from the City of Stuttgart to a City close to Munich I only registered at my new location.
Wow, what a sentence. I wasn't aware being able writing such sentences without alcohol. 😱😅
I moved to Switzerland for a few years and than back to Germany, actually to the same address as before I left. I then went to the Einwohnermeldeamt to register. They took my Personalausweis and glued a little address sticker over the spot where it tells the address covering my old (identical) address, except now without the Postleitzahl. I asked why and they told me, that the Postleitzahl is not part of the address because it is issued by the 'Post' and not by the state/country.
I've moved the last time some 25 years ago. Before that I did switch homes I believe 8 or 9 times across Germany. So happy that I haven't had to do that for so long and if everything goes according to the master plan, I will move only one time more at an unknown time in the hopefully far future - to the graveyard.
I run into the fine trap as a German. Before I moved I lived with relatives for a few months until I found an apartment. I was still registered with my parents then. So I had to make an official declaration about the entire situation and the entire process got revoked. It also helped that I was quite young and moved for the first time. German bureaucracy is not only efficient but most times not without a heart. Of course, I didn’t make that mistake again when hubby and me rented together next time. Since we moved within the inner city there wasn’t a deregistering necessary and the tax office is also the same. Funnily the spam mail found us faster than any official letters or private snail mail.
We moved without a service but we didn’t take our furniture with us since most of them we 20-30 years already and wouldn’t have taken the disassembling & assembling well, besides we had twice the room now and didn’t had lots of furniture. So we only had to pack boxes who we did alone. We had 3 months to pack most things, so it was totally okay. All daily necessary things we did pack in the overlapping month. We had the luxury to have the money to pay rent for two apartments for one month. We did count what a moving company would cost to leave the place spotless or if we did this ourself, so paying rent twice was cheaper since we had enough days off leftover from the year before (luxury for US americans). With our new apartment we maybe would choose the company since most of the furniture and electronics would leave with us. Depends where to move.
you don't need to write a physical letter in most cases. E-Mails and simple phone calls are accepted to 90%. If there are legal reasons why they don't accept an email they let you know.
p.s. It's always written down in the AGB's
Interesting! Our last land lord, and this landlord we have first notified via email and they both told us "thanks for letting us know, but legally we need a signed physical letter". I was also told the same thing by Jack's Kita after I initially notified them via email. Maybe it's a BW thing.
You also can send a fax. There are a lot of online sites where you can send a fax and they use a font for your signature that looks like a hand written one. Mostly for free. No printing or other stuff.
Thank you for the very interesting video, as a matter of fact I do hate the paper work stuff too, but certain things do make sense if you change the perspective. The fact that some agencies do not automatically distribute changes to other agencies has also some data protection aspects. It is well recognized from your history that highly integrated data about people do make bad things much easier. The pink lists from the beginning of the 20th century are just one example for that, for finding and locating certain groups of people by the officials.
The cancelation of suppliers contracts by moving is a kind of weirdto me, because of the exceptional cancellation right ("Sonderkündigungerecht") if your moving out of the range of your previous supplier this is an exceptional situation, otherwise you just continue you contract at the other location, but may be it is just my experience. You do not need a specialist for the washing machine or dryer, those machines do run by standard connectors, the oven is different, but because you are dealing with 380 volt currents for an oven you might consider this a smart move to leave it to an electrician.
I really like your videos, due to learning things again I got adjusted to during my life and never questioning them anymore. Thank you for giving this insight into my own country and your perspective
Thank YOU in return for your help and perspective! We appreciate it so much. ❤️
Great video again. I especially liked that you found examples both of times when German bureaucracy can be really annoying as well as when it can actually be helpful. We Germans like to make fun of our bureaucracy, and there are definitely many areas where it can and should be improved, but there are reasons why it exists the way it does.
There is indeed no need to deregister. The registration system is long-standing and well-tested, and I've never heard of anyone having an issue with it. Just register at your new Bürgeramt and you'll be fine. You might want to check online if you need to make an appointment, though. Due to Covid, many government offices have adopted that system, and you sometimes need to book them weeks in advance.
Having been both a soldier and a "Beamter", I can tell you that paper is most definitely king in Germany, especially in government offices. "Schriftlich in dreifacher Ausführung" is often used as a jokewhen talking about applications or forms, but that's because it's still true sometimes. I've had to fill out and sign paper forms that were many pages long in triplicate form before, because apparently they all needed to be original or they wouldn't be valid. Germany has been pushing for digitalization for over twenty years now, but the pace at which that is going makes a snail look like a racecar.
Getting professional movers is definitely a good option in your position. I know that moving with small children can be especially challenging.
An interesting custom in Germany is to get other people to help you move. For the customary payment of beer and pizza, you can get close friends and family to come help carry things, provide large vehicles or trailers, drive moving vans (as long as it isn't too far) and such. I think that that's especially used byyoung people, and I'll have to defer to some of my older landsmen in the comments as to how this holds up once you and your friends have children, but I've been on both the receiving and providing end of that custom, and it's a nice way to get everything done quickly and cheaply.
Most is true as described but it is not that much of a hassle compared to other countries. Moving as a foreigner within Germany is not so different compared to moving as a foreigner to or within another country. (I moved with my family 7 times in an international environment with plenty of government contact within a time span of 20 years, so I believe I can guesstimate what is involved, including the U.S. 🙂)
Internet and Phone Services can be moved and do not to be cancelled with most providers if the provider offers services at the new address as well.
Yeah our biggest hang up is that our new house is already wired for glass fiber internet with another provider. We had to switch.
Good morning dear Forest Family, while it is certain true, that you have to install your New stove via an Elektriker with a practitioner masters degree. You dont need one to install your washingmachine or dryer to keep your guarantee. These are fairly easy and considered to be done by the User themself. Don't worry about that.
Great to know! Thank you.
Additional fact, you can do all your paperwork with the Finanzamt etc. online if you have activated you onlinefunction of your Personalausweis once you have gone through the process of becomin' german citizens . They offer a ton of onlineservices or so I thought when I started looking for onlineservices of Freiburg. As a Berliner I am used to do almost every little thing regarding paperworks via Berlins onlineservices... turns out every city cooks their own soup... But it may be helpful to lookup which kind of services might be offered at your new location that can be done with the onlinefunction of your Personalausweis. I don't know if the functions apply for permanent IDs for forreigners but it is woth a shot.
Ah yes, I think they gave us something with an online pin with our Neiderlassungserlaubnis but we've never used it. Thanks for the tip!
Jeeze! Sounds like Germany is living in the 90s still...
Here in Norway you technically only have to update the address at the National Registry and postal service, Posten Norge. All gov authorities as well as banks, insurance companies, employers and more can access this to get updated info. And it can be done online using BankID, the online id system in Norway. The postal service will also forward mail sent to old address for free for two months.
I believe most internet and tv subscriptions have a one month notice as well.
In some ways, Germany is still stubbornly "old-school". I remember when I was applying to University, they told me either I had to mail back "original signatures" via certified mail or send via fax. My first reaction: "I don't know where to even find a fax machine anymore....?"
Love watching your videos even though I am a german haha but i have lived overseas for a long time and its so fun to see what difference you have noticed.
And google is correct. No need to deregister if you register elsewhere :)
Also hate those cancellation periods in germany!
"Abmeldung" is not necessary, the new Buergeramt will take care when you file "Ummeldung". The one exception that I have experienced is when you move abroad (e.g. back to the US). I have a funny passport renewal story involving a previous Buergeramt and the German consulate in San Francisco...
Also, if you move a significant distance or out of a service area, you will have "Sonderkuendigungsrecht" for a lot of contracts (i.e. utilities, telecom, gym memberships etc.), even if the provider tries to tell you otherwise!
LG aus Koeln!
I have moved very often within Germany in the last 35 (?) years and normally when I register at my new place of residence (within 14 days), I am automatically deregistered at the old place of residence. I do not know it differently!
And I never had to inform the tax office, they always knew where I was! Unfortunately... :-)
But I don't know if this works exactly the same for "immigrants"!
BTW: For Internet providers and termination right there is a new law since 01.12.2021! Especially as far as the notice period is concerned. In addition, there are special termination reasons, for example, a move! Google afterwards!
I want to warn everybody who wants to come from abroad: depending on your individual case, it can take many months to deal with all the registration process at the foreigners Authority (Ausländerbehörde), and until you actually will have all your legal papers in your hands, it can take more than half a year. In between you can get into a status that is half illegal but if you want to ask the authority, how to do it better or so, they just don't answer for weeks, and then they don't answer helpfully... And you might loose the right to cross the borders again... you end in a trap! Not necessarily but it happened to my British friend. And then you loose your right to drive with your foreign driving license... and all this paper works cost so much time AND money! Tax stuff and health insurance can be also very complicated, if you are not a "standard case".
When I moved for the very first time within a city as a undergrad I went to do the de-re-registration 7 months after moving (literally across the street from my old address) and was incredibly scared to get fined. Nothing happened, can't tell you how much of a relieve that was :D
It's up to the person processing your stuff to slap you with a fine. If you're friendly, they're more likely to waive it. Also, they know students are dirt poor.
Hi Ashton I think you experienced this most Time very annoying burocrazy and this fully incapability in digitalization.here in Germany. Especially in official offices like Rathaus or Bürgeramt the digitalization had been oversleept During the past 20 years. .when i last move I Just realized that the Office made a mistake. They had forgotten to deregiister from my Frist adresss so I got Problems with my fees för TV and Broadcasting Service. So I would highly recommend make absolutely sure that when you register at a new Adress that the oid one is definety deleted. Normaly you needn't deregister yourself because the Office has to do it för you when you Register at your new adress. Unfortunately sometimes you have to Deal with stupid and uncapable and bored Office workers. .
Ich hab mich nie irgendwo abgemeldet außer beim Vermieter. Mit der neuen Adresse anmelden und dabei erwähnen das die alte Adresse damit hinfällig ist hat immer gereicht.
Wobei mein letzter Umzug ist solange her das sich das inzwischen auch geändert haben kann 😅
Ich bin mir nicht sicher ob es rechtens ist das Telefon-, und Internetanbieter überhaupt noch sechsmonatige Kündigungsfristen haben. Solltet Ihr Euch mal erkundigen. Ich meine dazu gäbe es irgendwo ein Grundsatzurteil dass das nicht rechtens wäre.
Außerdem besteht die möglichkeit den Anschluß "mitzunehmen" sofern Ihr den Anbieter nicht wechseln wollt und der Anbieter im neuen Wohngebiet auch liefern kann.
Dann muss man nur angeben zu wann der alte Anschluß abgeschaltet und der neue angeschaltet werden soll.
Yep, moving in Germany is a hassle. However, you only need to register at the new Rathaus and they will send the Abmeldung to the old.
Great! Thank you so much for your help.
In Italien gehst du nur zur neuen Gemeinde (auch die alten Stadtwerke werden vom Meldeamt informiert) (meine Frau arbeitet im Meldeamt)
Very interesting regarding the hand written letters on paper when moving considering how the internet has taken over everything! I’ll tell you my parents who are in their 70s who don’t like technology would love this lol
Most important before you move, throw away all the garbage that was collected in the old house or flat. This can be time consuming and is not only important in Germany but everywhere.
Moving in Germany is the same as moving in the Netherlands. And with the advent with the Schengen area it is just the same as everywhere in that area. Were you to apply for a German passport and want to move to anywhere in that Schengen area it is just like moving cities.
This was encouraging. Thank you for sharing the information.
Thanks! Glad you enjoyed it!
@@TypeAshton I'm moving to Berlin in a few months. I'm trying to learn as much as I can :-)
O moved a couple of times between different municipalities, you only need to register in your new muncipality, that's enough
Nice video! My home country is terrible with paper and how govermental instutions interact. I lived a few years in Denmark, it is so much more digitzed and efficient over there. 😕
Regarding the fines and so on: There is a saying "Du isst nicht die Suppe so heiß wie Du sie kochst!", so even when I was 2 weeks above the deadline of registration, I never had to pay.
Well, my recommendation: Try to take several weeks off for the move. It takes a lot of time before everything has found it's new place. Some employers grand a few extra vacation days to their employees. Moving is simply a lot of effort.. ;-) -
when i moved i did a "Post Nachsendeauftrag" at the postoffice. basicly they check for like 3 month every letter that goes to your old adress, if its for you, or the new people living there. if its for you, they will send the letter to your new adress. so if you miss to change your adress anywhere, you would probably find out, if you receive a letter that was send to your old adress, at your new adress. it cost like 90 € or so for 3 month.
Yes! Great point. We did this with out last move and it will be totally worth it to do it this time around again.
your internet/telefone/gas/electricity provider HAS to leave you out of your contract if you move and their services are not available at your new location. there is a lot of consumer production in Germany. usually unreasonable payments (for stuff you absolutely have no way of using) is illegal in Germany.
I think we are going to need to call them and ask again. The issue is that our house is already pre-wried for glass fiber with telekom. It is even written into our house contract that we will enter into a contract with them.... but I do this Vodafone still "technically" services our town as well. It feels like a grey area.
@@TypeAshton Ask Vodaphone to move their service to your new house. if they can’t (which is a given as Telekom has the only access) it’s not a grey area anymore :). For this kind of stuff it’s great to contact your local „Verbraucherschutzzentrale“ (consumer protection agency).
As always great content, well done in an entertaining way.. I’m getting ready for my move,
Thank you so much and good lucky on your move!
Phone and Internet can move with you actually. If the provider can't supply the service at your new adress, you have a "Sonderkündigungsrecht" to cancel the contract by end of the next month.
A good word we wish we knew. Thank you!
You're right, there is some actual paperwork to do for moving and other things here. However, let's be happy about that, because that's the one thing that all authorities could agree on. Because, when considering recent experience with federal and municipal regulations about you-know-what, I don't want to imagine how many different apps, devices, procedures and identity verifications you would need to do this electronically, not even considering that Germany is worse than some developing countries regarding network coverage, sadly.
De-registration is only necessary if you leave Germany permanently.
If you register in the town hall, they record where you lived before and report it to the other authority.
Registrations are necessary for various reasons.
- On the one hand, the voter lists will be updated.
- There is also the foreigners council. Although they do not have strong voting rights, they advise the city on questions from foreigners.
- in the case of strangers, this gives the city an overview of how many are there and what needs to be done for them.
- Each city also receives payments from the state and federal government based on the number of inhabitants.
- the reports for the census are also used.
I have now received a PIN for my identity card. If the bureaucracy makes it on the Internet, I can use it to identify myself online. There is also something like this for residence permits, but you have to see whether the offer is worth the effort.
This is EXTREMELY helpful! Thank you! And we can totally see how there are a lot of advantages to the registry system. In the US it seems a bit like a hodge podge of a census every 10 years, and voter registration being weirdly tied to the Department of Motor Vehicles to keep your address updated. Interesting stuff!
The 24 month internet and telephone contracts are a problem. Therefore, the maximum time has now been limited to 12 months.
When I wanted to move, the 24-month period ended 4 months earlier. The provider didn't want to let me switch to a contract that could be canceled on a monthly basis. So I canceled this in good time and went to another provider for 4 months with a monthly cancellation basis. In addition, I also have to have the landline number switched to another provider.
Terminations are often only in writing because they have to be signed with a ballpoint pen.
There is no authentication via the internet that the providers know.
This now goes so far that there is a termination service on the Internet that inserts a cursive signature instead of a real signature. But the mobile phone provider accept that...
For the washing machine and dishwasher, it's a simple plug, but you'll need to be familiar with plumbing.
I'm just saying the English water pipe inches aren't 25.4 mm, they're something around 32 mm.
Terms like 3/4 and 1/2 are still used and are often confusing because
you can switch the caliper to US inches but not English water pipe inches.
I believe you can terminate your contracts if you have important reasons for it like when you move. I'm not too sure right now but I think I did it this way three years ago.
Off topic to the move but something I wanted to mention. That Asus router is most likely has out of date firmware and should be replaced with something a little more secure. A Pfsense firewall or if you don't want to spend a ton of money a Ubiquiti router(Only if you have less than 1GB down and if u don't need any advanced features). They are both the same form factor as your current Asus router. BTW Ubiquiti is a good option and will be updated for years to come with security patches. Do not buy the 500 to 700 dollar model that you really don't need. You can get by on a cheap USG router that is under 140 euros. Really recommend you throw out Asus router as they are rarely updated and can have actively exploited vulnerabilities that will never be patched.
Thanks for the tip! We actually need to buy a new one since moving.
When I left Germany I had to deregister. other than that you just go to the einwohnermeldeamt in charge of your new address and register there. Also, the 14 days count from when you actually move in and sleep there, not when you buy the place or when your rent starts. For example, I rented an apartment from February 1st but I'm still living somewhere else. I called the amt to ask and that's what they told me.
This is so helpful!! We will likely have an overlap of a month or so with both our apartment and when we take ownership of the new house since we need to have the kitchen installed and some repairs done here. It is good to know that the 14 days doesn't start until we officially move into the new house.
I never heard that you need a professional for dis/connecting a washing maschine. This is so easy, so you can save that money, just do it yourself. For the stove... you officially need an electritian and this one really bears a risk of causing a fire or hurting people, if done inncorrectly.
Most moving companies offer a full service for some additional costs, to pack and unpack all of your stuff after the move. This is totally worth it if you want to get it done fast and avoid handling boxes for months after the move. But many people don´t want other unknown people to handle heir private stuff. The 14 days for official registration... yes, thats the norm, but if it takes 3 weeks you will not get too many complaints. I have never heard of someone who got fined for this one.
But - if you are not familiar with washing machines, you may make mistakes. It is possible that some belts inside may dislocate if the machine is tilted during transport.
Disconnect / connect may be easy (but - I already saw people connecting the washing machine without a gasket) checking if it is ok at the new place may be a good idea if the owner is not so technically experienced.
i've moved 5 times and ive never needed to deregister any of my older addresses ^^ Also, nowadays you can find all sorts of internet providers (even the big ones) that offer no contract-period tarifs, meaning you can cancel within 30 days. Usually a bit pricier than a 12-months or 24-months contract, but if you know that you won't stay at the place for too long, it might be a good idea to choose it.
But im wondering, if you're opting for the same internet provider and the same tarif at your new place, i don't think its necessary to terminate the contract. I think you just have to let them know you're moving. All they gotta do is to send a technician to your new place to do..stuff.
But if you're changing to a new provider then there's also an option to change, i think you don't even need to wait until your contract ends. They'll just change the contract for you from the older one to a new one, if im not mistaken.
Good to know! Thank you!
Moving is always a pain in the a...
The only positive is the (forced) opportunity to declutter your stuff..and occasionally to find stuff that you have forgotten to have.
hahah agreed! The number of times Jonathan and I have said "how did we collect so much crap?!" in the past week is amazing. I refuse to move clutter from one house to another. We've donated a lot of clothing and household items in the past few days.
Same rules apply in Denmark, but I was somewhat surprised about all the trips you had to make 😲 !! Here you could do most of this from home and online. I would have expected the same in one of the most well organized and efficient Countries in the world. Yeah! I agree. Get those professional movers in. The entire parking thing for them, also applies to DK. The Washer/Dryer thing..., yeah.., same here. Wish you the best at your new Home 👍😊👍 ! Held og Lykke (Danish for "Good Luck") 😊
There is still a number of important acts of bureaucracy in Germany, that require you to do it in person, due to our law. The responsible administrator has to check your identity and compare it to the real person in real life. The registration process of your home is one of those. Your identity as a German citizen, voting rights, taxes distribution (and avoidance), legal adress etc. are connected to this and they don't trust online services for that (yet). Many other small things can be done online though.
@@dnocturn84 Could be done easier. Check out this link from some expats. living in Denmark: ua-cam.com/video/EK_dI-ofceQ/v-deo.html
Every country has a level of bureaucracy, but how it's handled, is different 😀 ! You can pay your bureaucrats reasonably well or..., ! Basically you get what you pay (taxes) for 😀
I actually only need to show up at our "Bürgeramt", if I need to renew my passport or drivers license, since both require current pictures (that they need to take). Otherwise mostly anything else, can be done online. You can actually digitally sign online as well! Just as binding, as your handwriting on a piece of paper😀.
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@@KHValby Showing up in person to register yourself, has the same status as to renew your passport or your drivers licence in Germany. Your registration is actually just as important over here, as it works as a "fundation" for your passport or drivers licence (and for many more things, like paying your taxes and your voting rights, like already mentioned). They are connected with each other and can't be done online or by a different person. They actually always change your passport to a new one, when you register a different adress. Your adress is printed on your id card and it has to be changed with a new adress. So it is technically always the process of getting a new passport.
Your registered adress also serves as your legal mailbox. Germans have to have one and it has to made sure, that it's not compromised. It would be davastating, if it would be possible to cheat the system. Foundings would be wrong and even election results would turn out to be illegal.
Sure, there are ways to safely identify yourself online, like some banking companies do or methods that are used for online exams. But German bureaucracy loves to be slow to adept new things. Especially when they are aimed to make it easier for the people, instead of making it easier for the administrator.
They do use methods to identify yourself online via your German passport, to manage some of the smaller things. The current gen passports are designed for that. I'm not entirely sure if this also works with all other EU passports. It might. But it's certainly not working with US passports or with something from outside of the EU.
I do not know if it has already been mentioned. If you move with a business, it must be de-registered at the old address and re-registered at the new address.
This is a great point! We are always SO nervous about messing something up with the legal aspects of our business. Thankfully the notary that we used to register our business has also offered to help make sure the move of our business goes smoothly as well.
Ich habe ein aktuelles Beispiel aus der Famillie, wir haben meine 80 jährige Mutter vorrübergehend bei uns aufgenommen ohne sie umzumelden. Obwohl sie ihre alte, eigene Wohnung noch hat bekamen wir nach 4 Monaten ein Brief von der Behörde zur Stellungnahme. Das Ergebniss war, sie kann noch weitere 6 Monate bei uns wohnen ohne sich ummelden zu müssen. Wir mußten auch keine Strafe bezahlen. Das einzige was wir umgemeldet haben war die Postadresse. Gemäß dem Sprichwort, " Es wird nicht so heiß gegessen wie gekocht wird" ;)
Professional movers: Yes I agree, they may do a lot beside. But - one should know, there are different services payed individual you may book.
- The own capacity is limited, you should keep a good amount of you time for coordinating and unseen jobs. If you do it all yourself, everything unplanned item affects many others.
- Kitchen: In the minimum they move the parts. My current kitchen was moved in the base price. But I contracted a carpenter to install it. He worked more than one day on it (special circumstances). I simply did not have the capacity of doing this ( as I was capable of that). Also kitchen: Often you will need new countertop. This must be bought, transported, customised and installed. A lot of work, that can be outsourced.
- Electrical: Once my cousin moved. A "friend" connected her stove. He made a mistake. After that the places overheated and the stove was ruined in a month (it was wired for 1 phase - but he connected it between 2 phases).
I had to deal with a contract termination notice and I simply put mine on indefinite hiatus rather canceling my contract, which would compel me to pay a hefty fee. Good enough since I don’t know when I could resume service on it and in all the places I stay, that’s provided for me than I arrange it for myself. Keeping it in limbo is an odd way to deal with moving but starting afresh isn’t always an option for people. Ain’t moving fun?
Household item....
refrigerator.
dishwasher.
the stove.
washer/dryer.
or lamps.
-is NOT standard equipment in European houses, and is something you have to go out and buy yourself.
You also should hire an electrician when you reinstall an oven or something like that, if not your insurance will not cover for example a kitchen fire, or when you need to do plumbing, and you do it without a professional or at least get your work approved by a professional, flooding, and stuff like this will not be covered by the insurance. And when you lend your property to others and anything of the electronics installation isn't done by a professional to the newest standard, you might pay extreme high fines. That's also a reason why DIY home projects don't exist that much in Germany.
This is a really excellent point. That reminds us of another video we made recently where we talked about working on a historic car in our garage. Jonathan has a 1969 Oldsmobile 442, and we were surprised to learn that you really can't do that here in Germany either.
@@TypeAshton actually, you can, but you need to meet some requirements. For example, when you made any changes to the safety features you need to go to the TÜV, and when you do an oil exchange you must prove that there is never the chance that any oil gets into the ground or the waste water system. I worked with my dad on “historic“ cars (they get a special license plate and then there are different regulations applying…)
And in my opinion the institution like TÜV is something good also the mandatory exhaust Examination (AU) and also the regular inspection (HU). And I know In some states these regulations get applied also slowly.
When you have any questions about some regulations, just reach out to me, I write my thesis currently about some ecology regulations and standards for companies. So, I think I am good at understanding them (and I work closely with the TÜV so when I don’t know a regulation I know the correct person to ask)
Don't forget to let the "Beitragsservice" (formerly known as "Gebühreneinzugszentrale (GEZ)") know you new address which can be done online, even in English, Spanish, French, Chinese, Arab, and Russian.
(One might wonder what that is about - well, in Germany [and, btw, in Austria, France, UK, ...] there's an obligatory monthly fee to be paid for public broadcasters; you cannot "escape" that duty, so make sure the "Beitragsservice" knows your "Beitragsnummer" in combination with your NEW (and current) address..)
YES oh man, I think we might just make a video on this alone. We recently got a notice that we have to pay this service for public broadcasters for our BUSINESS... even though our business is located in our home... the same home where we also pay this fee.
@@TypeAshton No such extra fee for your business according to the official "Beitragsservice" web page, quote:
"Rules for self-employed persons and freelancers working from home [...]
However, if this permanent business establishment can only be entered through the private home, it is exempt from the fee. The private home must be registered with the contribution service. ..."
Personally, I appreciate the high quality of the German public broadcasters (ARD, ZDF, 3sat, ARTE, Deutsche Welle DW [the latter two available in English as well; the former on UA-cam with English subtitles] and many more - I'm pretty confident that you, and above all, your son will do so, too - really independent, politically neutral, well researched, profound information is nice to have not only in times of crises... What's more there isn't many commercials / interruptions..."the price of democracy"
Where comes the 2 dogs from? I´ve see them not before in your vlogs. Nice!
They've always been with us, they're just usually lounging somewhere around the house sleeping or following around Jack waiting for him to drop snacks on the floor. They are also older dogs and quite do the big excursions anymore with us. Georgia is 12 this year and she usually maxes out on her walks around a mile or two.
Especially for the stove hiring a professional mover is also "helpful" as some also have the "certification" to disconnect and (re)connect it to the electricity. This is usually not a big deal - if you know what you are doing (otherwise 5 cables can be confusing) however if there is a fire caused by the wiring it could also have an effect on your insurance. As only professional and certified electricians are allowed to connect the stove, once you have the invoice of the mover and/or electrician you may need to present it to the insurance company that they pay - otherwise they may reject it (at least partially).
Regarding the registration, as a German I only registered at my new location and it worked perfectly fine. As the address is also on your ID card (at least for German citizens) it will be changed by the new Rathaus.
In Germany, you have to take your kitchen and light fixtures with you, since you own them. Hence professional movers since its not only the usual household stuff that’s accompanying a move.
@@NormanF62 you actually don't own lightning and kitchen in all places in Germany. Depending on where you are, you may find more or less flats coming with kitchens and maybe even lightning, at least for some rooms. The first two flats I lived in on my own came with a kitchen, the second even with partial lightning.
When searching for my new flat last year, I did find quiet a few that did include a kitchen. I eventually picked one without a kitchen, but it was an option. Also, you may find flats that already contain some furniture or a washing machine etc. Someone in my new neighbourhood told me that there's empty flats near her place that come with a kitchen and a washing machine already installed.
Also, I didn most of my moves with friends and family so far. You can just get a professional to do the disconnect and reconnect. Some even offer to just move your stove or washin machine, so they also do the transport and setup after disconnecting everything.
we build our house 10 years ago and we needed a roadblock for a crane. we made our calls with the town hall and road maintenance department. after that the bill came and we had to pay immediately. the roadblock never came and we ask then why we had to pay when there was never a roadblock. the anser was that the order allone is enough to make us pay and we cant do anything about it....
I moved from Berlin to Nürnberg, and I did not have to deregister from Berlin. The Bürgeramt in Nürnberg was able to deregister me at the same time they were doing my registration there. And as I am separated from my husband, he was staying at the old address, and I was moving to a new address, and they were able to deregister just me, while keeping him registered there. (I did have to fill out a form explaining why we are not living together, though.)
Are you sure you have to inform the Ausländerbehörde and Finanzamt about a move? The Finanzamt knew to issue your tax ID based on your initial Anmeldung. And when I was registering in Nürnberg, they were able to even apply a physical updated address to my elektronische Aufenthaltstitel, which they had asked for and checked on.
Ah okay that makes total sense. Thank you!
Hi again. Interesting things you mentioned here. Well living in Austria seems be different but it is still EU so it should be also working in Germany more or less. To simplify all paperwork there are EU projects of digitalisation which of course have to be done by each country. In Austria you can already do the most important things that way, so no travel and appointments needed. Adress registration, car, tax and even digital signature (pdf) are common and sometimes even preferred. Email for other providers are totally working and sometimes they also provide themselves application forms on their website. I can't really remember that I had to run around the last 10 to 15 years.
Take a look at this. Germany has to offer this too. Maybe you need some digital registration only once but then it changes a lot. Even some small elections are already working that way.
It's the way EU should work and there are a lot changes into that direction.
While I'm not 100% on that, and the requirements are slightly different case by case, I'm quite sure that that doesn't work in Germany. In many places you need to still send physical letters, and in case of the adress registration you need to go there personally.
I'm sure you're correct in that it has to work like that by EU law, but that sadly doesn't help you if it simply doesn't work like that in reality :D