How To Play In Tune On Sax [#87]
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- Опубліковано 17 лип 2024
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Free online saxophone lesson teaching you how to play in tune.
Sorry, production cock up! At 4:10 the title should say “Why Saxophonists Are Out Of Tune”,
at 6:48 “Using Your Vocal Tract To Adjust Your Tuning”
and at 10:25 “Using A Digital Tuner”
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0:00 - lesson intro and theme music
0:31 - about tuning
1:04 - how to get your free PDF
1:15 - how to get your free one hour masterclass
1:39 - why tuning starts wars!
2:23 - we all hear pitch slightly differently
3:09 - quiet notes sound sharper
3:37 - the importance of good intonation
4:10 - why saxophonists are out of tune
5:35 - how to adjust your tuning
5:45 - mouthpiece position on the cork
6:48 - using your vocal tract to adjust tuning
7:35 - pitch bend demo using larynx
7:58 - using your tongue to adjust tuning
8:17 - pitch bend demo using tongue arch
8:39 - why to tune sharp on the cork
9:15 - using alternative fingerings to adjust tuning
10:10 - pitch change demo using alternative fingering
10:25 - using a digital tuner
11:34 - be musical and intuitive with your intonation
12:40 - next level ninja intonation
14:34 - flattening the third on a major demo
15:20 - sharpening the third on a minor demo
16:06 - tuning a major and minor chord same note demo
16:46 - why tuning is a moving target
17:24 - lesson recap
18:07 - sign off
19:00 - end music and bloopers
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Great Sunday Sax lesson Jamie. Looking forward to trying your latest tips out.
Daz Bolton 👍🏻 Thanks Daz.
Wasting time in the practice room is the highlight of my day. 🙂
@@geofixated 😉
Easily the best explanation of this I've heard from anyone. There is one little issue I hope you'll add at some point. I was a clarinetist before I was a saxophonist and there are some challenges 1) unless you have a short barrel, you cannot physically force the instrument to play at 443 or above. Unlike a saxophone you can't simply push the mouthpiece further in. So I've had gigs where it was very cold, or violins were extremely sharp, and there was nothing I could do to get to their pitch. 2) If I use a short barrel, the allometry between notes on the instrument goes wonky... that is, the low D and E are incredibly flat, the open C# incredibly sharp and so on. 3) In my experience the same applies to saxophone. I can shove the mouthpiece in and match the extremely high brass, but the intervals on different notes becomes a crapshoot. I think, but I don't know, that the same is true for trumpets. When they get above 442 or so, intonation throughout the horn gets unpredictable. Summary: While I appreciate you don't want to be a jerk about perfect pitch, the instruments were probably built to sound good together if you're pretty close to 440. Once they go outside of that there's a lot of bickering ahead. Thanks for all you do!
A fair point well made! Stick closer to the equator. 🤣
I watch a lot of saxophone videos on UA-cam and I have to say your content is easily the best. Has helped my playing enormously, thank you
Wow, thanks!
Thanks Jamie por such great advices! Looking forward every Sunday a new video. And, of course, anxiously waiting for the tone and sound course!
You are so welcome! Working on Total Tone Mastery at the moment - watch this space ;-)
Another excellent lesson ,. Jammie . Thank you for sharing your knowledge and experience with us .
Sundays are rapidly becoming my favourite day of the week . I cant wait until next Sunday now .
I'm going to be moanin' all week !
Ha ha - Love it!! Glad to hear this, thank you :-)
Thanks Jamie! I’ve noticed some notes can be out of tune even if most are right according to the TE tuner (gotta love that smiley face 😀) so will have a play around with all this info and hopefully I can correct it! Cheers mate! 🍺
You'll get there Lisa - knowledge is power!! :-)
what a great music core lesson! I really appreciate how well you explain this! Fantastic!!!!
Glad you liked it! Thanks :-)
Another brilliant lesson with some great takeaways I can start using, thank you!
My pleasure! :-)
This is easily the best advice on how to adjust the pitch of sax notes that I have ever seen. I have spent 4 years learning the clarinet and now 1 year learning the sax and not instructor whether in person or on YT has ever done such an excellent job. Thanks.
Thanks! 🙏
So funny hearing you hit the first line of "Feeling Groovy" in the bloopers at the end. That used to be my "head" song on the way to work to make sure I walked through the doors calmly in the morning and not flusterred from the commute! Really can't thank you enough for this channel, been awsome to have such a fab coach on line - and the stuff on the physics of altisimo and practicing overtones has mooved my playing on substantially, giving me a level of control that was previously escaping me.
Awesome Derek. Thanks for watching!
Thanks Jamie, great video on how to play the saxophone.
Glad it was helpful! :-)
Thanks so much for that Jamie at last i & alot more sax students can now get on & play instead of spending ages of valuable practice time on trying to get the sax perfectly in tune!!
Cool man! 😎
Great video, Jamie. I love using my old fashioned G# trill key on my 1937 aristocrat; the tuning is always spot on, to my ear anyway!
Wow cool, sounds like an interesting horn! Thanks for watching :-)
great video. I needed this. thanks so much
Glad it was helpful! :-)
This is everything! THANK YOU!
Glad you enjoyed it. 👍🏻
I've been playing for over a half a century and read/studied tons (even Hindemith's deep dive into tuning), but you're the first one to reveal the E tuning with the C major and C# minor to such a precise approximation. I'm hoping I was kind enough to do it subconsciously. I really want to thank you for showing me some "cents" (pun intended).
That's amazing that I could teach someone of your experience! Thanks for watching - really glad this helped :-) Love the pun - I do love a good pun!!
Very worthwhile. Thank you!
Glad you enjoyed it! :-)
Great ,thanks once again.
My pleasure!
That was a very good lesson Jamie thank you .
My pleasure! :-)
Priceless lessson! )))
Thanks so much!
I used to gig with a rock band that had a guitar-player for its leader. He always insisted that I "tune up" before we started. Rather than trying to educate him, I would just mess around with the mouthpiece before returning it to its place on the neck.
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It's my first time visiting here. Thank you for this lesson. Great job! So good! Nice video!👍
Thanks so much for watching and welcome! 👍🏻
Thanks, Jamie! ✌️
No worries!
Been playing the saxophone for three months now at 21 years old (wanted to play it since I was a child) and it's the best decision I've ever made. I just love it - I'm sure you understand haha. Your videos are extremely helpful and you seem like a great guy - so thank you!
That's awesome! Totally understand - I've been playing in excess of 35 years now and I still LOVE it!! :-)
Thank you very very much for this lesson, its immeasurably helpful for me as a beginner ! Im only playing for a bit over a month, and when I do long tones I can be almost perfectly in tune with tuner, +-3,4 cents, but when Im playing songs/etudes, I tend to leave tuner app open and side eye my pitch during playing, and then get really discouraged if Im like 10 cents off on some notes, to then spend next half hour obsessively trying to get every note perfectly in tune with tuner, instead of, you know, actually using my ears and check if Im tune with the backing track and not worry so much about "perfect" intonation, especially at this stage.
Yup. 10 cents is virtually nothing. Don’t worry about it.
All of your videos are jam packed with great information! I use the TonalEnergy app on an iPad. I lvoe it. I use it primarily to practice long tones and overtones. It's also handy for drone training. After a year and a half of using it, I've been building up the confidence in my ability to stay in tune so that I no longer constantly look at it while practicing.
Great to hear! Nice one. :-)
Great!!!!Big!!!! from Spain!!
Many thanks!!
This one was really useful. Being self-taught I didn't realise you could use your larynx to tune and now understand I'd been using my mouth/lips far too much. I'm getting a much steadier and reliable pitch now :).
Awesome. Glad to hear it Mike!
Excellent vid 👏👏👏
Thanks 🙏🏻
Inspiring! 😍
Thanks 🙏🏻
I really love my KORG tuners!!!
🤣 we’re the only two left NOT using TE! 💪🏻
very informative ,,,thank you...
Glad it was helpful! :-)
Thank you Jamie. A huge relief to learn that it is normal for the sax to be "out of tune". Just as you described, I tend to be flatter in the low register and sharper in the higher register. I will be working on my voice box exercises! Thanks again!
Glad it was helpful! Thanks for watching :-)
You should be in tune in upper range and lower range. High G and low G should match pitch on tuner.
This is a good explanation to guitarist why after tuning, an E Major chord doesn't sound right. For years I have tuned my G string slightly flat so that when I finger the 1st fret on an E major chord, the 3rd is slightly 'flat' but 'in tune'
Wow. Cool.
Excellent video as always! The tip on tuning slightly sharp and raising and lowering the tongue arching it is a golden nugget. Thanks for sharing all these useful information!
You're welcome - glad it was useful to you :-)
Thank you Jamie
Anytime Tom.
Hi
My warm up is to play a scale and jump up and down on the active key
Ie low d then octive key low e then octive key etc
After I think im in tune I use the electronic tuner to see how close my ear was
I'm hoping that I can train my ear better this way....ps haven't been playing quite a year.
Thanks for the video this answers alot of questions I've been struggling with.
Have a great day
Cheers Harry
That sounds like a great routine! Stick at it. Thanks for watching! :-)
Jamie thank !! Big
Anytime!
Wow Jamie this is brilliant info....I've listened to other teachers and some don't even admit the sax is out of tune!....I really like your honest forthrightness...I've never heard the major 3rd/minor 3rd adjustment thing before but you nailed the demo...have you done a video about playing on your mouthpiece and how and what to practice with it? Many thanks Again.
Thanks so much! All my technique videos are in my technique playlist.
Hej nice upload. I use natural tune from autotune. Not for recording But so that I get to hear in pitch what I am playing. It is a delay aprox 6/100 of a sec. You Can set The volume low when You become better.😊
Cool thanks.
Great video Thanks. I can play some songs and sometimes I feel it sounds so different to the original.. Know I learned I might be out of tune. Thanks! I'll work or on that.
Glad it helped - keep up the practice :-)
Another great video.. actually I'm facing intonation issue since 7-8 years ago, when I moved from tenor to alto in my big band. I practice with a piano chord on mp3, playing roots, thirds and fifths. Most of the time I hear horrible tuning ! I'll check out your tips on thirds. Thanks again for the great video !
Hi Paolo. In general, alto is harder to tune than tenor! Thanks for watching :-)
If you use an Android phone, Vocal Pitch Moniter is an excellent free app. You can record yourself then review your tuning afterwards in playback.
Fantastic, thanks for the tip. Hopefully my Android viewers will appreciate that (I mean viewers that have an android phone - not robots!!) ;-)
That was a great video. I don't play the sax but I'm considering it. I feel I might find intonation a challenge though. Honestly, it took me a few goes to hear the difference of the flattened and sharpened 3rd in your examples but then I found I was listening to that single note exclusively. When i listened to them all together I got what you meant. I don't know if I've got wonky hearing or what.
I also found the difference to be more noticeable in the Major chord for some reason. Weird! Not sure if the sax is for me after all.
Really good listening - great work. Don’t sweat it about the tuning on sax, that’s not a reason not to play it. You’ll be fine. Go for it!!
Thanks as always Jamie, although this is too technical for me. Regards
Yeah it's quite technical. To begin with, try to bend the pitch of notes just using your larynx. Thanks for your continued support Angel, much appreciated :-)
Hi Jamie, my name is Fernando, I'm from Mexico. I jus found your youtube channel and I've come to love it so much. You are a great saxophonist, teacher and very charismatic. I wonder if you can provide saxophone lessons online. If so, how much do you charge for them. I am not beginner but rather a intermediate level in need of some couching to get to a pro level. How about that? Blessings from Mexico
Hi Fernando. Thanks for watching! Email me on info@getyoursaxtogether.com re lessons. 🙂
On my Mark 6 alto sax, my middle C# is flat, so I add the octave key and the G key, and it brings it up to pitch perfectly. My Mark 6 is serial number 110XXX , so it has a long bow
Perfect.
Amazing tutorial, you're the best❤️👍 Recently someone said my intonation was flat, this was the equivalent of hitting me in the face😭
Happy to help!
Thank you Jamie for another great lesson! As I am working to improve my intonation, I have come to realize that there is one more parameter in the in/out of tune issue and that is the lip pressure you exert on the reed (and of course the outcome varies with reed strength!). How do we know what is a good lip pressure? I have heard someone talk about playing with just the mouthpiece and trying to get an A at 880 Hz for an alto to find the right pressure. Can you comment on that?
You should use the minimum lip pressure to control the sound Herve. You'll probably end up flatter than you were, but that's ok, push in a bit. Your tone will thank you!
Very informative as always Jamie. My tuning is all over the place with about 1/3 in tune, 1/3 flat and 1/3 sharp, finding it a battle to keep altering the throat etc for every note played. Horn just serviced because I thought it might be that but still the same. Octaves are the worst from middle D being 25 cents sharp sharp to Octave B being 25 cents flat to top F# being really sharp again. 😢 what is an acceptable range of tuning discrepancy either side of 0 cents.?
Welcome to being a saxophonist lol! Joking aside though, if you're horn really is that bad, you either have to learn to deal with it or think about getting a more in tune sax like a yamaha or something. 25 cents does seem like quite a drastic discrepancy to me. Hope that helps.
uah! 💥🎷💥
😊
S-tuning😉👌🏻
Love it!! Thanks very much :-)
thanks Jamie, recently found these resources and I now owe you several coffees 😁
hoping you'll be playing on a bari next week for 'moanin'' and do the dots - for all us bari players out here 😎
JD
Yup! You’re gonna love Sunday’s lesson. Bari all the way man!
Good video. FYI, --continuously-- continually
What’s the difference?
@@GetYourSaxTogether "Continuous" means all in one go, without pause. "Continual" means repeatedly and frequently.
@@JiveDadson you learn something every day!
@@GetYourSaxTogether I'm pretty sure I haven't learned anything in weeks.
Great video, thank you Jamie ! The korg TM-40 doesn't exist anymore, there is the TM-60 in 2 versions, the TM-60C is with contact microphone, is this one better for horn because of the contact mic ?
Thanks for the info, I bought my Korg ages ago so that makes sense. I think having a contact mic feature is well worth having!
Thanks for watching and getting in touch. :-)
@@GetYourSaxTogether Thanks for your answer :) I'll try the TM-60 if my Snark broke ! :)
Jonathan Naime nice one!
Question: If you are playing with a keyboard instrument or fixed-pitch instrument I think adjusting tuning will not work? I mean sharpening or flattening the notes to fit a chord better?
True. But somehow it still works.
Howdy! Been playing sax for about 51 years. Could you explain more about the outside temp affecting the tuning? It has always been counterintuitive to me for example that a colder outside temp would make you flat as the horn would shrink. Being a little smaller I would think it would be sharp. Please help!
That’s a great question Joe and I’ve always wondered that myself to tell you the truth. I think the answer is that the amount the brass actually contracts and expands is negligible and it’s more to do with the speed of sound through air at different temperatures. Don’t quote me on that though I might have to do some extra research!
Hi Jamie, My middle C# is horribly flat. I add the middle side key and it brings it right into pitch, or at least close enough I can adjust to be in tune.
At least you found a work around. It’s not a great note really.
@@GetYourSaxTogether I am not much of a C# guy either. I prefer Java and Python. 🙂
@@geofixated 👍🏻
Thanks for another amazingly helpful free lesson! BTW there is a rather amusing typo in the pdf. "If you are inane ensemble..."
Oops!!! 😂 I’m gonna leave it in. I love that. 😉
Outtake “slow down you’re moving too fast” (you seem afraid it won’t last) - Styx, “Lights”
Hey Kris - I had to look that one up!! I was going for 'Feeling Groovy' :-)
Get Your Sax Together love that old Styx stuff. Takes me back to HS
Kris Lewis Gotta love the nostalgia music sometimes gives you!
8:25 That's weird for me its the other way around. When I arch my tongue i get a higher pitch. What is this sorcery?
So hard to diagnose over a comment!
4:10
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Question:
If, as a complete and utter beginner one had:
No teacher, and NO tuner whatosever for a month, no perfect pitch, just a working saxophone and oneself.
Would it be bad to still do long tones and other 'habit forming' stuff for that month? Or should one wait?
In other words: Would this give a bad habit, bad 'ear', or whatever.
Or would it be completely fine since tuning can be changed (and perhaps even is changed) regularily depending on who one is playing with?
It's tough to break bad habits. There are plenty tuners online ....
@@GetYourSaxTogether I have found an ancient yamaha portasound keyboard in the basement and have been using that for the time being for reference.
Top string players work not only on Just intonation, often referred to as Harmonic intonation because it is intonation in a harmony, as you demonstrated with the C major, C# minor thirds, but they also work a lot on what they term Solo Intonation, which is quite a bit sharper than either Just (or indeed equal temperament). Studies of classical string players showed that playing sharp as a soloist is often preferred by listeners to both just or equal temperament intonation. You have lots of good information in this vid, however I am curious why you left out practising against drones to improve intonation and your ear. Also as a jazz sax soloist even backed by piano or guitar in equal temperament, playing a Solo intonation slightly sharper seems to work out OK. Interested in your thoughts.
Thanks for that intelligent and thoughtful comment Bill. I guess practicing against drones would be a good thing to do, you're right. Maybe Jackie McClean etc are taking that Solo Intonation thing to the next level! lol I just watched a great Adam Neely vid on tuning as well. Thanks for watching the channel.
I didn't think of atmosphere...i was so worried about embouchure...if i was biting, if I was lacking air strength, etc...gonna try this temp tip tomorrow 😁😉... I'll edit the results here ⛔⛔⛔⛔⛔⛔
Look forward to hearing how you get on! Whatever happens though, just relax, it's only music!! lol
Not right now...i just started practicing the most basic scale C to C 😂😂😂😂 btw if you drop a whole octave on higher notes, is it because of air strength or tightness, maybe a combo? Or maybe cuz is less stable on less fingers
L'Ri Talent Either embouchure position or vocal tract shape usually. Just practice and you’ll get it though!
He loves to talk
Not sure what that comment means? Are you trolling me? 🤔
Are you gonna make famous sax pop solos 1990s?
Maybe later. But things dry up a bit in the 90s!
@@GetYourSaxTogether are you reading the sheet music for those solos or just play them all by ear since you know the songs?
@@danielcohen9637 I know many of them from gigs etc but I was reading it for most of them as I had a lot to think about. If I had some extra time it would be fairly easy to learn it all though I guess!
HELLO, MASTER OF Sax I like your videos and really like your explanation in details,but will you be so kind as speaking not so fast, because English is not my native language?
You can slow down the playback to help you follow the English. It's easy to do. Instructions are described in many of my videos. Best regards!
@@GetYourSaxTogether Hi, Jammy. I FOLLOWED YOUR ADVICE, THANKS A LOT, could you explain to me why cane reeds stop sounding after playing some time?
If u see this pls reply
:-)
Now isn't that funny, when I hear a note played at volume it appears SHARP to me 😂 I usually get funny looks when I start blowing down the bell to warm it up.
That goes to show how individual peoples sense of pitch is!! :-)
Omg ! You talk too much for me to learn…bye…
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Secret to good tuning: Good Ears 🦻
Yup