Thank you Dr. Sizwe for affording us an opportunity to be part of this fascinating conversation between yourself and one of the most powerful African scholar!
Thanks Sizwe for talking to Achille. I love Achille. I read him and respect him. This conversation, especially towards the end upsets me a bit. I anticipated that Achille would bring up Afropessimism. Achille, you cannot dictate to South Africans whom to read and whom not to read. This paternalistic attitude reflects a troubling aspect of his intellectual stance. The experiences of Black South Africans in this country are deeply influenced by the pessimistic lens of Afropessimism. Scholars like Chabani Manganyi, a South African intellectual, have long grappled with the politics of skin and existence, themes popularized by figures such as yourself (Achille), Lewis Gordon and Frank Wilderson. Afropessimism is a theoretical framework, much like Necropolitics, which Achille himself has developed. There is nothing inherently wrong with borrowing from African American scholarship. Achille himself draws extensively from African American and French thought, integrating these perspectives into his own work. It's striking how African intellectuals have reacted to Afropessimism, often with what Frank Wilderson describes as an emotive response. In Achille's case, Afropessimism resonates with his analysis, yet diverges in its conclusions. Tendayi Sithole's adaptation of Afropessimism for the South African context demonstrates the theory's flexibility and applicability beyond its original formulation. Achille's implicit belief that South African (particularly Black) intellectual thought is lacking is deeply problematic. This attitude undermines the intellectual capabilities of Black South Africans, suggesting that their ideas are inherently inferior. Criticizing young South Africans for turning to African American texts implies that they should continue consuming the dominant white liberal discourse prevalent in the South African academy, or limit themselves solely to engaging with the more moderate conclusions drawn by figures like Achille Mbembe, Goldberg, etc on issues of race.
Good insight. The onus is on South African intellectuals to appropriate themselves the subject and substantially write about it, not to rely on American thought.
@@teknikairaoulolgandessabek4102 Please read my comment again. South African intellectuals have been thinking and writing about the South African experience for decades. It is impossible in this world not to be inspired by trends of thought that are helpful in making sense of one's lived experiences. Achille does this all the time. I think there is something in particular about the theory of Afropessimism that has made a lot of intellectuals (who are left leaning) to view the theory as 'unacceptable' since it actually posits the 'end of theory' as we know it. But, rest assured, SA intellectuals are thinking and writing - there is one in front of Achille as an example.
I have noticed that Rwandans Namibians Congolese Christians / Muslim live harmoniously.Somali Sudanese are more private isolated .Malawi's hard workers less educated but are least noticed
What does Mbembe mean, when he says with re to the EFF's reference to the continent (+-21:50)... He says that although it is still there there seems to be a form of "fascination". Then he stops talking about it. What do you think he means by that?
True, the world is fragmented on few levels, but those who managed to gather financial resources in parallel to technological capabilities developed, using these powers to centralize the whole globe, in order to keep power adding ideological mismatch. This is a source that all social systems of managing societies became unmanageable. Those tools are of old ways of thinking. The new adequate tools are not developed yet, conceptualized yet ....the wars always were good equlizer as well as justified war economy decisions justified. ...😴🤔🤑
No war is justified, and centralized power is communist ideals yet eff is the 3rd biggest party in south africa, meaning we have alot of pro-communists in this country
With that brain of this Professor, what is he doing to uplift his own country? A lot of African scholars have a lot to say about SA but quiet about their own countries.
Than you don't follow his career. Most ppl in SA only watch SA content but a lot of scholars in SA talk in other african and world platforms about other issues. Expand your mind
You are right about Africa. ALL the BLACK led countries are bring run by criminals without exception. Even now many BLACK South Africans are immigrating to other shores bcz of the destruction of the country. It's a shame really, when you look at the continent
The obsession with left wing politics is what will keep South Africa suffering indefinitely. Take Julius for example telling BLACK voters to have babies because he will double the child grant to R1020 to the cheers of his voters.🤦♂🤦♂
Maybe i wasn't listening, but if i may ask did he say only Blacks, no Indian's or White's should have kid's ?? Gone are the time's when you'll think people don't know White's and Indian's children get grants too.
@Tman501 you're being disingenuous if you think the percentage is even significant. Blacks and coloureds take up majority with 70% and 50%. Indians are 12% of their population and whites are a mere 5%. Grants are old socialist and communist tools to prevent people from independent growth. It makes you reliant on the state. I refuse to be dependent on a corrupt government
@@Tman501 - Julius was addressing his voters at a rally... which are 99.999999% black. You've just made my point for me.. If you think it's good advice to tell people who don't even have jobs to go make babies because he will double the child grant to R1020 then there's no hope of reducing poverty.
No he is not, he is trying to prevent it from taking hold here but you and yours do your best to stir it up this side even if you don't think you are like Nigerians are to Italy here😂
@@shafiyaalgiquadra1105 Oh, it's you again. The internet infestation. If he is not speaking as though the right-wing populism arose in a vacuum, then why doesn't he talk about it? And what universe are you living in? What are the right-wing elements in South Africa? They're non-existent.
South Africa needs the unity of South Africans and most politics part they don't speak unity and they are more in rasicim and hate foreigner and special black people and black leaders and and South Africa is for all and all for South African ❤
The system invest a lot of resources in dividing us across racial lines just to maintain the status quo.to attain unity the country needs a reset economically,socially and politically.the black nation have bcome more poor than during apartheid.we attained freedom of association and voting power only.
Thank you Dr. Sizwe for affording us an opportunity to be part of this fascinating conversation between yourself and one of the most powerful African scholar!
Achille Mbembe... Our living Frantz Fanon. Thanks Sizwe, continue with the excellent work!
Thanks Sizwe for talking to Achille. I love Achille. I read him and respect him. This conversation, especially towards the end upsets me a bit.
I anticipated that Achille would bring up Afropessimism. Achille, you cannot dictate to South Africans whom to read and whom not to read. This paternalistic attitude reflects a troubling aspect of his intellectual stance. The experiences of Black South Africans in this country are deeply influenced by the pessimistic lens of Afropessimism. Scholars like Chabani Manganyi, a South African intellectual, have long grappled with the politics of skin and existence, themes popularized by figures such as yourself (Achille), Lewis Gordon and Frank Wilderson.
Afropessimism is a theoretical framework, much like Necropolitics, which Achille himself has developed. There is nothing inherently wrong with borrowing from African American scholarship. Achille himself draws extensively from African American and French thought, integrating these perspectives into his own work.
It's striking how African intellectuals have reacted to Afropessimism, often with what Frank Wilderson describes as an emotive response. In Achille's case, Afropessimism resonates with his analysis, yet diverges in its conclusions. Tendayi Sithole's adaptation of Afropessimism for the South African context demonstrates the theory's flexibility and applicability beyond its original formulation.
Achille's implicit belief that South African (particularly Black) intellectual thought is lacking is deeply problematic. This attitude undermines the intellectual capabilities of Black South Africans, suggesting that their ideas are inherently inferior.
Criticizing young South Africans for turning to African American texts implies that they should continue consuming the dominant white liberal discourse prevalent in the South African academy, or limit themselves solely to engaging with the more moderate conclusions drawn by figures like Achille Mbembe, Goldberg, etc on issues of race.
Good insight. The onus is on South African intellectuals to appropriate themselves the subject and substantially write about it, not to rely on American thought.
@@teknikairaoulolgandessabek4102 Please read my comment again. South African intellectuals have been thinking and writing about the South African experience for decades. It is impossible in this world not to be inspired by trends of thought that are helpful in making sense of one's lived experiences. Achille does this all the time.
I think there is something in particular about the theory of Afropessimism that has made a lot of intellectuals (who are left leaning) to view the theory as 'unacceptable' since it actually posits the 'end of theory' as we know it.
But, rest assured, SA intellectuals are thinking and writing - there is one in front of Achille as an example.
Nah I agree with him. Africans don’t need to draw from Black American ideologies and thoughts. We are our own people with our own history and identity
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Please Bring Prof Mogobe Ramose or DR LWAZI LUSHABA PLEASE
Brilliant Question to the Proff regarding the reflection on 94
Reverting conversation truly appreciated the depth of the conversation. I hope you explore the concept of moral imagination further oneday.
One of the most achieved African scholar ever lived
❤ 1 000 000 % A million percent agree. Fascinating conversation. You have done it again 👏 Dr Sizwe
I have noticed that Rwandans Namibians Congolese Christians / Muslim live harmoniously.Somali Sudanese are more private isolated .Malawi's hard workers less educated but are least noticed
FIRE INTERVIEW!!!!!
Thank you Dr. MpofuWalsh
Please Bring Prof Mogobe Ramose or DR LWAZI LUSHABA PLEASE
Out of the Dark is a great book.
Interesting
Cameroonians are good at talking about Africa but rarely about Cameroon
In his book On the Post Colony, he does explore the realities of political issues in Cameroon.
😂😂😂As a Cameroonian myself, I am laughing because Cameroon is a very disturbing country. I mean its leadership under Paul Biya
Academic genius ❤
Achille Mbembe is arguably the greatest thinker Africa has produced in this generation.
Agreed.
Please Bring Prof Mogobe Ramose or DR LWAZI LUSHABA PLEASE@@_SMWX
What does Mbembe mean, when he says with re to the EFF's reference to the continent (+-21:50)... He says that although it is still there there seems to be a form of "fascination". Then he stops talking about it. What do you think he means by that?
Ayeye🎉
Ayeye!
Please Bring Prof Mogobe Ramose or DR LWAZI LUSHABA PLEASE@@_SMWX
That's one way to put it. Mutated. It evolves with the conditions.
We as taxpyers work together.the leaders are making.fights.not just to prevoke
@32:45, 💯
We don't need apartaid or war threats
Outside ANC, the prof says there's dearth of thought
Echoes of Gramsci "“The old is dying and the new cannot be born; in this interregnum, a great variety of morbid symptoms appear.”
Hmmm, I don’t know hey!A bit too vague and his views are neither here nor there! Overall, thanks Sizwe, you held your fort!
True, the world is fragmented on few levels, but those who managed to gather financial resources in parallel to technological capabilities developed, using these powers to centralize the whole globe, in order to keep power adding ideological mismatch. This is a source that all social systems of managing societies became unmanageable. Those tools are of old ways of thinking. The new adequate tools are not developed yet, conceptualized yet ....the wars always were good equlizer as well as justified war economy decisions justified. ...😴🤔🤑
No war is justified, and centralized power is communist ideals yet eff is the 3rd biggest party in south africa, meaning we have alot of pro-communists in this country
Populism is a problem in south Africa and so-called communism and that is driving our country into despotic, autocratic country.
Everybody avoid saying it - is it not clear that technology is mankind's greatest threat to its existance
With that brain of this Professor, what is he doing to uplift his own country? A lot of African scholars have a lot to say about SA but quiet about their own countries.
Than you don't follow his career. Most ppl in SA only watch SA content but a lot of scholars in SA talk in other african and world platforms about other issues. Expand your mind
@@sonofsoweto don't need to. Look at Africa. Lost cause. Crime, corruption and joblessness, illegal migration.
You are right about Africa. ALL the BLACK led countries are bring run by criminals without exception. Even now many BLACK South Africans are immigrating to other shores bcz of the destruction of the country. It's a shame really, when you look at the continent
@user-pr2pt5vThe rest of the world ain't doing better tho
So what you sayin
Hai fokof wena
The obsession with left wing politics is what will keep South Africa suffering indefinitely. Take Julius for example telling BLACK voters to have babies because he will double the child grant to R1020 to the cheers of his voters.🤦♂🤦♂
😂😂😂
Maybe i wasn't listening, but if i may ask did he say only Blacks, no Indian's or White's should have kid's ??
Gone are the time's when you'll think people don't know White's and Indian's children get grants too.
@Tman501 you're being disingenuous if you think the percentage is even significant. Blacks and coloureds take up majority with 70% and 50%. Indians are 12% of their population and whites are a mere 5%. Grants are old socialist and communist tools to prevent people from independent growth. It makes you reliant on the state. I refuse to be dependent on a corrupt government
@@Tman501 - Julius was addressing his voters at a rally... which are 99.999999% black. You've just made my point for me.. If you think it's good advice to tell people who don't even have jobs to go make babies because he will double the child grant to R1020 then there's no hope of reducing poverty.
@jacquesdewet2661 not only poverty but imagine it impact on gender inequality if it was implemented, we will walk deeper into the dark
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Overwhelming and strong hegemony of Blacks over everyone else in South Africa. This is so sad. We should all be equal.
14:50 - You speak as though this right-wing populism arose in a vacuum. You almost seem perplexed by it.
No he is not, he is trying to prevent it from taking hold here but you and yours do your best to stir it up this side even if you don't think you are like Nigerians are to Italy here😂
@@shafiyaalgiquadra1105 Oh, it's you again. The internet infestation.
If he is not speaking as though the right-wing populism arose in a vacuum, then why doesn't he talk about it?
And what universe are you living in? What are the right-wing elements in South Africa? They're non-existent.
South Africa needs the unity of South Africans and most politics part they don't speak unity and they are more in rasicim and hate foreigner and special black people and black leaders and and South Africa is for all and all for South African ❤
The system invest a lot of resources in dividing us across racial lines just to maintain the status quo.to attain unity the country needs a reset economically,socially and politically.the black nation have bcome more poor than during apartheid.we attained freedom of association and voting power only.
Only Catholics are Correct. Only ❤Christianity😊 is true.