Great videos, thank you . Was going to inform dvla about my van which has been converted to a camper . But weighing it up after watching your videos. I won’t bother now . I will just inform my insurance instead. And carry on doing 70 mph if not faster ha ha . Keep up with the videos , they do help people like me . Thanks again.
Are the DVLA being Vanist ? Have you told them about the habitation specs of your van conversion ? It would be interesting to see a photo of your van to see if it does look the part
I understand that if your van fits the description of a motor home when moted and is moted as such, then the dvla can't do anything but accept it. Question as I am not sure I have the right document "1979 . no 1092 road traffic motor vehicles regs 1979", can you confirm that this has not been superseded by later changes/clarifications?
There have been amendments but as far as I know nothing that affects motor caravans. All the information I have seen refers back to the 1979 act. However the DVLA just choose to ignore the act and make their own rules up! i.e. number of windows, decals, awning bars.
If they do decide to put the tax up dramatically for campervans because people could be living in them, you will want to keep the commercial taxation just an idea
If you are talking about VED. This is the same for campervans and commercial vehicles and based on weight, engine size and emisions. Unless 40+ years old vehicles and classed as historic which have £0 VED. If there are going to be any increases I would expect it to be across the board and we probably wouldn't know until April. Or are you talking about the rumoured 'tourist tax' in certain areas e.g. NC500?
Before i bought a van to convert, I looked up on the exeptence and comments i came accros mentioned that rejection was sometimes without merit, But was down to an indivual and what they feel. So i guess its on record that yoiu may be rejected and i doubt that may change. I wanted or liked the IVECO Mini Bus. It was tall and windowed all down both sides. Thinking back now im glad i never went with that, Too many windows. But after doing some reading up and finding that they reject amazing builds, I went with single wheel 3 and a half ton. I dont need a full CPC to operate it and insured it as a camper. Those double wheels means rejection will prevent you driving it on the road without that full CPC. Im HGV Driver, But without this its usuless. Ive seen so many of those same vans parked on driveways for ever. But ill make it clear, When accepted as a camper, Those double wheels dont matter. But is it worth the risk.
As far as I'm aware and I have to qualify my statement that way due to DVLA vagueness, you shouldn't need CPC or tacho if it is fitted out as a camper and insured/used as such. DVLA have actually said you can use it any way you please without the need to reclassify. I've been watching and researching this issue for some time and I'm planning on a tag axle 5 tonne van. I've heard some large converters are even having their vans rejected for motor caravan.
@@van-gabondramblinrose6398 Thats Surprised As a mini bus or van with twin wheel is over a certain weight limit capacity and without that certification i wouldnt like to push my luck. I have a habbit of distrust with any Gov Agency. Laws are strict on weight . Just because you fitt it out to a degree doesent mean your not using it to transport. What im thinking its a grey area and authoritys dont usually give to grey areas. The Police may have a different attitude towards this being a seperate entity and they stick to the book. Hope your right my friend, Its just concerning.
@@seeker1432 yeh, it has a 5 tonne gross weight. As long as you have a C1 licence, you're golden. If you got your licence before 1997 then you have Grandfather rights and automatically have up to 7.5 tonne licence.
It had to be about tax collection, they'll gouge you any way they can. They deliberately misrepresented your question, you didn't ask about 'motorhome'.
Why is everyone so set on getting motorcaravan for body type ? My ex ambulance is listed on the V5 as box van, insurance don't care i still have it insured as a "motorhome ", DVSA mot it as a motor caravan, and as it's a HGV i only pay £160 VED per year, what's the issue ?
You're lucky in that your vehicle is HGV (non-articulated, under 7.5 tonnes) so you won't get a NIP if an ANPR clocks you going over 60mph on a motorway, unlike a converted commercial panel van (unless it has a body type 'motor caravan') can.
@m1cxf MOT test has nothing to do with the body type on the V5, the vehicle is tested as presented, if it has the required fitments as shown in the MOT requirements IE bed, fixed seating, cooker and sink, the tester will test it as a motor caravan, my V5 states "box van" and is a HGV (4.25t) but is tested every year as a normal car (class 4) . Speed limits? Drive slower or do the research and buy the correct vehicle to start with 🤔 As for VAT, it Doesn't apply to private sales only to VAT registered businesses, how many VAT registered businesses deal in DIY built motor caravans, not many, too risky selling vehicles without safety certs ect
Many towns now seem to despise campervans and motorhomes, witness the now common no motorcaravans parking or overnighting in many coastal towns in UK. But, a stealth van with two dark windows and no decals can get away with it, it's not a motorcaravan. The diesel heater exhaust is not conspicuous, just the water or ecu inlet if fitted externally. Better off with the van with windows designation in my opinion
From what I understand, the road tax is reduced for a motor caravan. A customer of mine says that he pays £160 per year for his L4 H2 Fiat Ducato, whereas I pay £330 for my L4 H2 Peugeot Boxer van with side windows. So the DVLA win with the road tax and the VAT.
@van-gabondramblinrose6398 he is, £160 is the VED rate for a PHGV , as usuall on the Internet BS spreads quicker than the truth and conspiracy nuts jump on the BS because they need to believe.
Great videos, thank you . Was going to inform dvla about my van which has been converted to a camper . But weighing it up after watching your videos. I won’t bother now . I will just inform my insurance instead. And carry on doing 70 mph if not faster ha ha . Keep up with the videos , they do help people like me . Thanks again.
Are the DVLA being Vanist ? Have you told them about the habitation specs of your van conversion ? It would be interesting to see a photo of your van to see if it does look the part
Have a look at my Campervan Van Tour video in the playlist
I understand that if your van fits the description of a motor home when moted and is moted as such, then the dvla can't do anything but accept it. Question as I am not sure I have the right document "1979 . no 1092 road traffic motor vehicles regs 1979", can you confirm that this has not been superseded by later changes/clarifications?
There have been amendments but as far as I know nothing that affects motor caravans.
All the information I have seen refers back to the 1979 act.
However the DVLA just choose to ignore the act and make their own rules up!
i.e. number of windows, decals, awning bars.
If they do decide to put the tax up dramatically for campervans because people could be living in them, you will want to keep the commercial taxation just an idea
If you are talking about VED.
This is the same for campervans and commercial vehicles and based on weight, engine size and emisions.
Unless 40+ years old vehicles and classed as historic which have £0 VED.
If there are going to be any increases I would expect it to be across the board and we probably wouldn't know until April.
Or are you talking about the rumoured 'tourist tax' in certain areas e.g. NC500?
Before i bought a van to convert, I looked up on the exeptence and comments i came accros mentioned that rejection was sometimes without merit, But was down to an indivual and what they feel. So i guess its on record that yoiu may be rejected and i doubt that may change. I wanted or liked the IVECO Mini Bus. It was tall and windowed all down both sides. Thinking back now im glad i never went with that, Too many windows. But after doing some reading up and finding that they reject amazing builds, I went with single wheel 3 and a half ton. I dont need a full CPC to operate it and insured it as a camper. Those double wheels means rejection will prevent you driving it on the road without that full CPC. Im HGV Driver, But without this its usuless. Ive seen so many of those same vans parked on driveways for ever. But ill make it clear, When accepted as a camper, Those double wheels dont matter. But is it worth the risk.
As far as I'm aware and I have to qualify my statement that way due to DVLA vagueness, you shouldn't need CPC or tacho if it is fitted out as a camper and insured/used as such. DVLA have actually said you can use it any way you please without the need to reclassify. I've been watching and researching this issue for some time and I'm planning on a tag axle 5 tonne van. I've heard some large converters are even having their vans rejected for motor caravan.
@@van-gabondramblinrose6398 Thats Surprised As a mini bus or van with twin wheel is over a certain weight limit capacity and without that certification i wouldnt like to push my luck. I have a habbit of distrust with any Gov Agency. Laws are strict on weight . Just because you fitt it out to a degree doesent mean your not using it to transport. What im thinking its a grey area and authoritys dont usually give to grey areas. The Police may have a different attitude towards this being a seperate entity and they stick to the book. Hope your right my friend, Its just concerning.
@@seeker1432 yeh, it has a 5 tonne gross weight. As long as you have a C1 licence, you're golden. If you got your licence before 1997 then you have Grandfather rights and automatically have up to 7.5 tonne licence.
Ian
You're right, it's all about money, The DVLA /Government are just Greedy #@*& S
Really enjoying the 120 vids, keep up the good .
Mike
Thanks for the comments, makes it all worth the effort!
Wouldn't most DIY conversions be private sales with no VAT anyway when they change hands?
Unless they get PX or sold on to a dealer
It had to be about tax collection, they'll gouge you any way they can. They deliberately misrepresented your question, you didn't ask about 'motorhome'.
Just wait until they roll out 'pay per mile', infrastructure is currently being installed.
@@InTheShedUK it's a bloody disgrace.
Why is everyone so set on getting motorcaravan for body type ? My ex ambulance is listed on the V5 as box van, insurance don't care i still have it insured as a "motorhome ", DVSA mot it as a motor caravan, and as it's a HGV i only pay £160 VED per year, what's the issue ?
You're lucky in that your vehicle is HGV (non-articulated, under 7.5 tonnes) so you won't get a NIP if an ANPR clocks you going over 60mph on a motorway, unlike a converted commercial panel van (unless it has a body type 'motor caravan') can.
@@InTheShedUK not luck, I researched and then selected an appropriate vehicle suited to my needs 👍
MOT test type and speed restrictions spring to mind.
@m1cxf MOT test has nothing to do with the body type on the V5, the vehicle is tested as presented, if it has the required fitments as shown in the MOT requirements IE bed, fixed seating, cooker and sink, the tester will test it as a motor caravan, my V5 states "box van" and is a HGV (4.25t) but is tested every year as a normal car (class 4) .
Speed limits? Drive slower or do the research and buy the correct vehicle to start with 🤔
As for VAT, it Doesn't apply to private sales only to VAT registered businesses, how many VAT registered businesses deal in DIY built motor caravans, not many, too risky selling vehicles without safety certs ect
Many towns now seem to despise campervans and motorhomes, witness the now common no motorcaravans parking or overnighting in many coastal towns in UK.
But, a stealth van with two dark windows and no decals can get away with it, it's not a motorcaravan. The diesel heater exhaust is not conspicuous, just the water or ecu inlet if fitted externally.
Better off with the van with windows designation in my opinion
From what I understand, the road tax is reduced for a motor caravan. A customer of mine says that he pays £160 per year for his L4 H2 Fiat Ducato, whereas I pay £330 for my L4 H2 Peugeot Boxer van with side windows. So the DVLA win with the road tax and the VAT.
That's interesting, I pay the same as you on my Ducato!
Sorry but that's rubbish, the VED rate of £160 is for PHGV.
I pay £330 for a 3.5 tonne VW T4, so something sounds wrong there. Your customer may be spinning a yarn.
@van-gabondramblinrose6398 he is, £160 is the VED rate for a PHGV , as usuall on the Internet BS spreads quicker than the truth and conspiracy nuts jump on the BS because they need to believe.
What an unclear rambling and confusing video.
What was it that you didn't understand?