The Book of Enoch and the Book of Jasher are what helped me come back to the Church after almost 15 years of inactivity....the Spirit will testify of truth for sure!
I have the Book of Enoch, and I'm looking into Jasher, but all I can find is that there are multiple versions, they're all purported to be forgeries, and that a lost version was removed from the Latin Vulgate Bible. Could you help?
I don’t know if this malaprop was on purpose or not but I am LOOVING how it turned out!! Brilliant! Gonna use what you coined or whoever you got it from: EPIDOSE!!
I am so thankful for trying ward radio once and finding Jonah Barnes, I wanted to read the apocrypha but was scared to read them because I really didn’t know if they could be read or trusted, or that I would be told it wasn’t good to read them. I’m really excited to start reading them. Thank you Jonah Barnes and ward radio. I’m not sure I can afford scripture notes right now but at least I know now that it contains the apocrypha books.
Actually, you can afford Scripture Notes because there is a free version. Just get started using the notes and search features. Later when you want advanced features like collection notes, apocryphal content, and AI, you can subscribe.
Here's my favorite 'other than scripture' so far: "Return, my son to your first Father, God, and to Wisdom, your Mother. Wisdom summons you in Her goodness saying, 'Come to me all of you, oh foolish ones, that you may receive a gift, the understanding which is good and excellent. I am giving you a high priestly garment which is woven from every wisdom. Clothe yourself with wisdom like a robe. Put knowledge upon you like a crown. Be seated upon a throne of perception. From now on, my son, return to your devine nature.' " Circa 150 CE From the teachings of Sylvanus (Silas), Nag Hammadi library. Later quoted by St. Anthony, mid 4th century, so it was semi orthodox at least until then.
That’s awesome! ❤ I’ve been listening to DJ Butler, Mike Ward, and [what is the name of the gal who was just on Stick of Joseph] talk and drop hints about “Wisdom!”
Awesome! Amazing! I just happened to find your channel thru google. I was looking for a bible study on Enoch (just purchased the book) but needed more insight and found your channel! Praise God! First time heard about the Book of Mormons. I will check Scripture Notes.
The church's website has gone from having a phenomenal search feature to it being utterly useless. The script kiddies have taken over and it shows. Proper programmers refer to that as ZoomerTech. Anyway, this was an amazing interview! Thanks for having Jonah on. I finished his book yesterday and now I'm watching all his interviews.
When Jonah talks about Christian writings from pre-christian documents being considered hoaxes by Scholars it reminds me of one of the methods Scholars used to date scriptures. If the prophecies were fulfilled, then they were written after the prophecy was fulfilled. Which is an odd rule to hold when Jeremiah tells us people were prophesying both directions, we just keep the ones that turned out being true Prophets.
I love this. I wish everyone in the church would think the way that Jonah explains it. I'm crazy for apocryphal stuff. I always think that yeah, if I have the spirit with me, why not soak up everything? And BTW, I just downloaded the Scripture Notes app. Can't wait to dive in.
Well done! Though I believe there is a "sealed portion" specific to the Book of Mormon - and I, in no way, want to take away from that "sealed portion," but I can't not wonder if these books could be considered a sealed portion as well. Just a thought.
Oak I soooooo love scripture notes!!!! Have you ever listened to Ancient Traditions podcast by Jack Logan? It is amazing and I’m so excited to make notes in SN with her content and Dave’s new book. I’m excited for Jonah’s book!
Hey I been wanting to get to meet you guys a lot Been anticipating my service mission to end. My mission couple leder hates you.... I love you guys so much. I have been praying and finding werid, answers to find that matches with what you guys say or intrigues my very soul, I was getting a better life until people started persecuting me, I want to be with you all you fill like my lost kindred spirits, I want you to be my friends.
"Chains" were also used by Jude in Jude 1:6: "And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day."
My husband and I have been studying the Lectures on Faith. At the end there is an insert that say SHEM IS MELCHIZEDEK by John Taylor. Is that the same in your scriptures notes?
@ScriptureNotes it's definitely part of my Lectures on Faith that I downloaded. It says the source is TIMES ANS SEASONS VOL 5 p 746 NAUVOO, ILLINOIS, DECEMBER 15, 1844, ELDER JOHN TAYLOR, EDITOR
@@ScriptureNotes also, can you give a source for the comment from Joseph Smith about the knowledge flooded to people when they are ready to accept it.... something like that?
Jonah just realized that I knew you back from Byu. As soon as you said you were in Ridgefield, I’m over in Brush Prairie. PS your name should be Dr. Apocrypha.
I just bought the scripture notes and the apocrypha books were not there. That’s what I bought it for was for them. Could you explain why they’re not there when I saw them in this podcast. I really want to learn this but I can’t if it’s not there. Please let me know if I did something wrong when I downloaded it.
Jonah please please PLEASE start your own you tube channel that removes all the harsh language & crass naughty "jokes" found elsewhere...it is painful to listen to the light you share being interspersed with dark humor of others. Your humor is fun & NOT dark : ) THANK YOU! Then I am sure that MORE Church members would be able to listen more comfortably to your AMAZING messages of truth and light! Keep up the good work on other channels like Scripture Notes that are filled more abundantly with the light of our Savior Jesus Christ! church members
After watching this video…..i downloaded the app. In order to use the app, you have to sign up for a subscription. You can cancel the subscription before the free 14 day trial period to continue using the free version. I then deleted the app, without even trying it. Not a big fan of subscription models…..i would rather buy it outright. Also not a big fan of sign up and cancel before free trial. Maybe my loss……but, i stay far away from the subscription schemes.
This is the talk by President Nelson that he referred to. That section is at 3:20 m.ua-cam.com/video/yTu9p4eYqeY/v-deo.html&pp=ygUdVGhlIGNyZWF0aW9uIFJ1c3NlbGwgbSBOZWxzb24%3D
Taking his name upon them not found elsewhere in the scriptures? What about Revelation 14? "And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father’s name written in their foreheads" Better than "loser"! 😅
@scripturenotes : Jonah Barnes is not unlike the Shakespearean theatre actor who gives off the "Look at me... look at me..." vibe. He somehow needs to constantly remind us, more and more about how utterly wonderful and talented he is. Over and over pointing his finger back at himself and his vast knowledge and talent - the one thing we are the least interested in. Perhaps Jonah could use a couple of days in the belly of a whale to white out his bombastic boorish nature.
Cherry picking the apocrypha is no more valid than doing so with the scriptures. Sure you can find multiple parallels to Mormon ideas, so what? The Catholics do the same thing with it. This was informative, but you can't Mormonize the apocrypha anymore than the Bible.
@TheBackyarProfessor Members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints believe in the Bible, all of it. We don’t need to “Mormonize” it because it goes along with our doctrine perfectly! We don’t need creeds or the precepts of uninspired men to interpret it, we can read the words for ourselves and interpret it by the Holy Ghost. We don’t need to cherry pick verses and ignore the surrounding text to prove some creedal notion or belief. I think your statement would be true if it said “you can’t creedalize the apochrypha any more than you can creedalize the Bible.”
I loved this! However... it's a false teaching to "stick to the brethren." That false tradition needs to end. If that were "a thing", Joseph and the scriptures wouldn't warn us to beware of false prophets and tell us in our own D&C what to do with a false or fallen prophet. Don't put you trust/ faith in the arm of flesh. All men are flesh.
I would lovingly differ on your conclusion about ‘sticking to the brethren’. I understand we must be vigilant in gaining our own spiritual moorings. But, 50 years ago, a prophet I happened to meet, whispered in my teenager ears, “do you want to know the secret to a happy life? Never put a question mark where the prophet puts a period.” I don’t think this counsel was meant for me to be lazy in my spiritual progress, in fact, it was the exact advice I needed as a youth with unsteady, unlearned spirituality. My kids have teased me about that advice, plastered in the walls of our homes in their youth. No matter the cultural whims and winds that blow, that commitment to trust in their words which represent His words, have kept me safe, resilient, and indeed, happy through the valleys and mountains of life. Those are still words of wisdom as I move into my sunset years. I stand by them as I look back on life as they’ve served me so well.
Genesis 1 is ELOHIM (Lucifer and the fallen angels). They made man in their image. Man is an idol, a trap to hunt angels. Only one Gospel: The Gospel of Reconciliation. Jesus Christ came into THEIR kingdom to reconcile fallen angels unto Himself. We are the fallen angels (ELOHIM) kept in DNA chains of darkness. If you do not confess being a fallen angel in Lucifer's kingdom, then you are an unbeliever. Unbeliever = those that claim to be made in the image of ELOHIM(gods). REPENT FALLEN ANGELS.
Genesis 1 is not Elohim meaning Satan and his angels. The concept of Satan and a personal devil and enemy with his legions of angels was a much later development. the Elohim in Genesis 1 is the Council of the Gods. Michael Heiser has some stellar materials on this.
@@TheBackyardProfessor What did Jesus say? Matthew 13:37 He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man; 38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one; 39 The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels. So, who sows the tares? Satan, the wicked one. Here's your admonition: John 9:41 Jesus said unto them, If ye were blind, ye should have no sin: but now ye say, WE SEE; therefore your sin remaineth. What sin remaineth? Your sin of leaving heaven for Satan's flesh party.
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The Book of Enoch and the Book of Jasher are what helped me come back to the Church after almost 15 years of inactivity....the Spirit will testify of truth for sure!
I have the Book of Enoch, and I'm looking into Jasher, but all I can find is that there are multiple versions, they're all purported to be forgeries, and that a lost version was removed from the Latin Vulgate Bible. Could you help?
@mlucario2262 the best one to get is the annotated version By David r. Hocking
Michael B Rush has a book, an audiobook about Enoch and Jasher.
@@michaelescobedo2524 Thank you!
@@rosalielines1801 Thank you for the information!
Great episode. Please, Oak, invite Jonah more often. What a masterful episode.
For sure!
I don’t know if this malaprop was on purpose or not but I am LOOVING how it turned out!! Brilliant! Gonna use what you coined or whoever you got it from: EPIDOSE!!
I am so thankful for trying ward radio once and finding Jonah Barnes, I wanted to read the apocrypha but was scared to read them because I really didn’t know if they could be read or trusted, or that I would be told it wasn’t good to read them. I’m really excited to start reading them. Thank you Jonah Barnes and ward radio. I’m not sure I can afford scripture notes right now but at least I know now that it contains the apocrypha books.
Actually, you can afford Scripture Notes because there is a free version. Just get started using the notes and search features. Later when you want advanced features like collection notes, apocryphal content, and AI, you can subscribe.
Just finished "The Key to the Keystone" and found this video and found its content fascinating. Thanks Oak for pulling this together.
This is very cool. Great to see Jonah on this channel. This was great!
Thank you. I have real hard times with my fellow Christian brothers and sisters on my case about me reading and studying apocrypha
Here's my favorite 'other than scripture' so far:
"Return, my son to your first Father, God, and to Wisdom, your Mother. Wisdom summons you in Her goodness saying, 'Come to me all of you, oh foolish ones, that you may receive a gift, the understanding which is good and excellent. I am giving you a high priestly garment which is woven from every wisdom. Clothe yourself with wisdom like a robe. Put knowledge upon you like a crown. Be seated upon a throne of perception. From now on, my son, return to your devine nature.' "
Circa 150 CE
From the teachings of Sylvanus (Silas), Nag Hammadi library.
Later quoted by St. Anthony, mid 4th century, so it was semi orthodox at least until then.
That’s awesome! ❤
I’ve been listening to DJ Butler, Mike Ward, and [what is the name of the gal who was just on Stick of Joseph] talk and drop hints about “Wisdom!”
@@angelalewis3645 It's hard to miss the temple liturgy or reference to a certain Mother we love and revere. 😊
Thanks
@@angelalewis3645I think that was sister Woodmansee. If so, she may be coming out with a book on marriage covenant language in scripture.
The 1st book of Enoch has stuff in it that would be unrecognizable to anyone but the Latter-day Saints. Very interesting stuff.
The same with the Ascension of Isaiah.
@@lafeharris8471 So true!
Awesome! Amazing! I just happened to find your channel thru google. I was looking for a bible study on Enoch (just purchased the book) but needed more insight and found your channel! Praise God! First time heard about the Book of Mormons. I will check Scripture Notes.
It's an AMAZING book!
Not only trampling, but also tearing the garment is a commonality between the BOM and Jasher.
The church's website has gone from having a phenomenal search feature to it being utterly useless. The script kiddies have taken over and it shows. Proper programmers refer to that as ZoomerTech.
Anyway, this was an amazing interview! Thanks for having Jonah on. I finished his book yesterday and now I'm watching all his interviews.
That's one of the major reasons I created Scripture Notes, for way better search functions.
@@ScriptureNotes Yep, and it's a very good program -- go you! I'm a heavy user and I thank you.
When Jonah talks about Christian writings from pre-christian documents being considered hoaxes by Scholars it reminds me of one of the methods Scholars used to date scriptures.
If the prophecies were fulfilled, then they were written after the prophecy was fulfilled.
Which is an odd rule to hold when Jeremiah tells us people were prophesying both directions, we just keep the ones that turned out being true Prophets.
Awesome stuff my dudes. Praise YHWH
So ARTICLE OF FAITH, WE BELIEVE ALL THAT HAS BEEN BELIEVE, ALL THAT WILL BE BE REVEALED.
I love this. I wish everyone in the church would think the way that Jonah explains it. I'm crazy for apocryphal stuff. I always think that yeah, if I have the spirit with me, why not soak up everything? And BTW, I just downloaded the Scripture Notes app. Can't wait to dive in.
2 of my favorite dudes together on a podcast?
Yes please!!
No Cardon to interrupt?
Yes please!!
Just kidding Cardon, you know I love you bro.
This is wonderful! 🌟
Well done! Though I believe there is a "sealed portion" specific to the Book of Mormon - and I, in no way, want to take away from that "sealed portion," but I can't not wonder if these books could be considered a sealed portion as well. Just a thought.
Oak I soooooo love scripture notes!!!! Have you ever listened to Ancient Traditions podcast by Jack Logan? It is amazing and I’m so excited to make notes in SN with her content and Dave’s new book. I’m excited for Jonah’s book!
Yes, that's an amazing podcast!
I just found that podcast last night! 🙌🏻
@@ScriptureNotesAmazing is right!
28:00 Joseph Smith: Prophet of God or luckiest guesser in the world.
Where can I preorder Jonah‘s new book?
Some people are NUTS during Adams time Christ IS ALWAYS TALKED ABOUT
Hey I been wanting to get to meet you guys a lot Been anticipating my service mission to end. My mission couple leder hates you.... I love you guys so much. I have been praying and finding werid, answers to find that matches with what you guys say or intrigues my very soul, I was getting a better life until people started persecuting me, I want to be with you all you fill like my lost kindred spirits, I want you to be my friends.
Saw apocrypha and clicked
Same. Apocryphal texts should deeply resonate with members of Christ's restored church.
-- From one Based Joseph to another. ;)
"Chains" were also used by Jude in Jude 1:6: "And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day."
My first book of the epochrapha is Encoch. My conclusions were their other men, then Noah, and the book of Enoch proved it
Jonah!! 🎉
What is the name of Jonah’s upcoming book?
My husband and I have been studying the Lectures on Faith. At the end there is an insert that say SHEM IS MELCHIZEDEK by John Taylor. Is that the same in your scriptures notes?
I don't know about that insert. It wasn't in the data set I used when I added the Lectures on Faith. I'll have to look for it.
@ScriptureNotes it's definitely part of my Lectures on Faith that I downloaded. It says the source is TIMES ANS SEASONS VOL 5 p 746 NAUVOO, ILLINOIS, DECEMBER 15, 1844, ELDER JOHN TAYLOR, EDITOR
@@ScriptureNotes oh! It also says A COMPILATION CONTAING THE LECTURES ON FAITH. It came from the Brigham Young Library.
@@ScriptureNotes also, can you give a source for the comment from Joseph Smith about the knowledge flooded to people when they are ready to accept it.... something like that?
Jonah Barnes for President!!!
Do we know when Jonah Barnes book will come out?
Not certain. I think in the next couple months.
Sept 2nd for pre-Order and Sept. 17th for full release.
Seriously, i want to find all of these apocryphal books. I bought one online but it doesnt have all of these books.
Just click Manage at the top of the Scripture Notes library pane and you can add them to your library.
Jonah just realized that I knew you back from Byu. As soon as you said you were in Ridgefield, I’m over in Brush Prairie.
PS your name should be Dr. Apocrypha.
What do you think of the legends that Jesus spent his early life in India?
I just bought the scripture notes and the apocrypha books were not there. That’s what I bought it for was for them. Could you explain why they’re not there when I saw them in this podcast. I really want to learn this but I can’t if it’s not there. Please let me know if I did something wrong when I downloaded it.
Click Manage at the top of a library pane and you can add the books there.
@@ScriptureNotesthank you
Jonah please please PLEASE start your own you tube channel that removes all the harsh language & crass naughty "jokes" found elsewhere...it is painful to listen to the light you share being interspersed with dark humor of others. Your humor is fun & NOT dark : ) THANK YOU!
Then I am sure that MORE Church members would be able to listen more comfortably to your AMAZING messages of truth and light! Keep up the good work on other channels like Scripture Notes that are filled more abundantly with the light of our Savior Jesus Christ!
church members
After watching this video…..i downloaded the app. In order to use the app, you have to sign up for a subscription. You can cancel the subscription before the free 14 day trial period to continue using the free version. I then deleted the app, without even trying it. Not a big fan of subscription models…..i would rather buy it outright. Also not a big fan of sign up and cancel before free trial. Maybe my loss……but, i stay far away from the subscription schemes.
This is the talk by President Nelson that he referred to.
That section is at 3:20
m.ua-cam.com/video/yTu9p4eYqeY/v-deo.html&pp=ygUdVGhlIGNyZWF0aW9uIFJ1c3NlbGwgbSBOZWxzb24%3D
Jonah for president!
530???I think you mean 1530 for Luther.
He just misspoke. It was on his slide as 1530 but he accidentally said 530.
Taking his name upon them not found elsewhere in the scriptures? What about Revelation 14?
"And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father’s name written in their foreheads"
Better than "loser"! 😅
Ezra eagle 🦅
Do you think our current presidential election is having the prophecy coming to pass?
@@michaelescobedo2524 yes but I also believe that Biden might win and the Republican party will be destroyed.
@@michaelescobedo2524I do, absolutely.
@scripturenotes : Jonah Barnes is not unlike the Shakespearean theatre actor who gives off the "Look at me... look at me..." vibe. He somehow needs to constantly remind us, more and more about how utterly wonderful and talented he is. Over and over pointing his finger back at himself and his vast knowledge and talent - the one thing we are the least interested in. Perhaps Jonah could use a couple of days in the belly of a whale to white out his bombastic boorish nature.
Cherry picking the apocrypha is no more valid than doing so with the scriptures. Sure you can find multiple parallels to Mormon ideas, so what? The Catholics do the same thing with it. This was informative, but you can't Mormonize the apocrypha anymore than the Bible.
😂the heck you can’t!
@@dotplogger7304 LOL! OK, well, I mean you can, but the method isn't so helpful.....
Cross referencing from multiple texts is not cherry picking
All truth is circumscribed in one great whole.
@TheBackyarProfessor Members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints believe in the Bible, all of it. We don’t need to “Mormonize” it because it goes along with our doctrine perfectly! We don’t need creeds or the precepts of uninspired men to interpret it, we can read the words for ourselves and interpret it by the Holy Ghost. We don’t need to cherry pick verses and ignore the surrounding text to prove some creedal notion or belief. I think your statement would be true if it said “you can’t creedalize the apochrypha any more than you can creedalize the Bible.”
I loved this! However... it's a false teaching to "stick to the brethren." That false tradition needs to end. If that were "a thing", Joseph and the scriptures wouldn't warn us to beware of false prophets and tell us in our own D&C what to do with a false or fallen prophet. Don't put you trust/ faith in the arm of flesh. All men are flesh.
Not true. A great many prophets, both ancient and modern, testify otherwise. You can't stand against the Lord's anointed and speak the truth.
I would lovingly differ on your conclusion about ‘sticking to the brethren’. I understand we must be vigilant in gaining our own spiritual moorings. But, 50 years ago, a prophet I happened to meet, whispered in my teenager ears, “do you want to know the secret to a happy life? Never put a question mark where the prophet puts a period.” I don’t think this counsel was meant for me to be lazy in my spiritual progress, in fact, it was the exact advice I needed as a youth with unsteady, unlearned spirituality. My kids have teased me about that advice, plastered in the walls of our homes in their youth. No matter the cultural whims and winds that blow, that commitment to trust in their words which represent His words, have kept me safe, resilient, and indeed, happy through the valleys and mountains of life. Those are still words of wisdom as I move into my sunset years. I stand by them as I look back on life as they’ve served me so well.
Genesis 1 is ELOHIM (Lucifer and the fallen angels).
They made man in their image.
Man is an idol, a trap to hunt angels.
Only one Gospel:
The Gospel of Reconciliation.
Jesus Christ came into THEIR kingdom
to reconcile fallen angels unto Himself.
We are the fallen angels (ELOHIM) kept in DNA chains of darkness.
If you do not confess being a fallen angel in Lucifer's kingdom, then you are an unbeliever.
Unbeliever = those that claim to be made in the image of ELOHIM(gods).
REPENT FALLEN ANGELS.
Genesis 1 is not Elohim meaning Satan and his angels. The concept of Satan and a personal devil and enemy with his legions of angels was a much later development. the Elohim in Genesis 1 is the Council of the Gods. Michael Heiser has some stellar materials on this.
@@TheBackyardProfessor
What did Jesus say?
Matthew 13:37 He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man;
38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;
39 The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.
So, who sows the tares? Satan, the wicked one.
Here's your admonition:
John 9:41 Jesus said unto them, If ye were blind, ye should have no sin: but now ye say, WE SEE; therefore your sin remaineth.
What sin remaineth? Your sin of leaving heaven for Satan's flesh party.
SOS , b.s.
😂😂😂😂😂. Denial, thy name is dave jazz band.
I served my mission with Jonah's brother, Levi, in the Ukraine Donetsk Mission.