Excellent!! I purchased a Rockwell horizontal a week back. Getting ready to cut some keyseats for new shafts in a 100 year old Flint & Walling windmill. Searching a little last night and saw that you now have the Clausing horizontal. Low and behold, you have a couple three videos on doing that using various methods.
What I like best about your videos are they are done with tools and machines that both the home (retired) and on the job folks have on hand. I like the higher end CNC stuff shown elsewhere, but don't expect to be trying out any personally. Your end of video calculations are very important and presented well. Thanks - again!
The depth of the key seat calculation information, reference data information and the trick to mill until the full width of the cut contacts the arc of the shaft OD, then mill depth 1/2 the key dimension is superb information. I spent a career in a machine shop as a repair technician and never learned that information. Now hobby machining at home, I need to learn this information.
Hello you adorable little milling machine, it is great to see you again, is winter then over as you say you are a spring machine. We see or think we see you are milling in 4.00" Kurt vise you just refurbished. This will be a good key-way cutter video many machines and spinning shafts in our daily lives have keys to hold impellers, pullers, fans and many other applications, so this is a very useful video. Great cutter depth start tip at the end there Lyle. Thank you for the share, Lance & Patrick.
75* in las Vegas to day, no snow. Dull cutters seem to be cheap and plentiful, What would it take to set up a tool grinder to sharpen them? @@mrpete222
Nice video Mr. Pete, particularly like the various methods for determining depth of cut. As a gunsmith, I use a horizontal milling cutter attachment for my Bridgeport, which seems to work very well. I I use it for cutting flutes in rifle barrels. I set up the barrels in hexagonal 5C collet blocks, and just flip to next side for next flute. I use a 1/8th radiuses 3 inch cutter, and don't cut very deep, between 1/16 and 1/8. Thanks again for info about cutting keysets on shafts to the proper depth. I always learn something from your videos.
Hey Pete finally found a horizontal mill,, it's a Sheldon Vernon,,, in great condition with 10 cutters and end mill holder with many tools,, l think I stole it for 300 bucks,, weights about 600lbs,, and no run out on spindle and indicator don't move on full range of table slide
Thanks for the video. In the UK we don’t use this type of open ended key seat. We mill the seat in from the end of the shaft and then make a key with two radii, one at each end. You can also buy them in various lengths rather than filing your own radii. This way as you pointed out it doesn’t come loose. At work we have a Canadian machine that uses open ended key seats, and no matter how much you tighten down on the grub screw in the sprocket, over a period of a couple of months the key works it’s way out. I’m an Electrical Engineer by profession and a Machinist by hobby, but I always refer to both machined parts as keyways. I don’t know if over here they are actually called a key seat and it’s just my lack of correct terminology. Regards Rob
I always liked the horizontal mills. Would love to have had you as my second year shop teacher. I'm shore the one we had was a good machinist, but he was not a TEACHER!
@@mrpete222 Absolutely, especially the part about how to properly gage the depth. I've inferred some general principles for how to gage things, but no one seems to present them as such. Things like always measuring between two faces, not a sharp edge, etc.
A question to all I have a bench top lathe and I have been using a milling attachment for small jobs and my question is would I be able to use a horizontal milling arbor with a MT3 head stock and a live centre tail stock for small milling jobs I would really appreciated your opinion and input to this idea
Mr Pete, I have a question, I need to drill out a rivet gun tip as I lost the 1/8 tip (off a roof into a pebble path never to be seen again) and I never use the next size down. It is of course, as hard as a coffin nail, but if I buy a solid carbide drill, will it drill it? HSS didn’t even look at it. Love your vids by the way. Matt.
LOL...first time my acid / oil brush got caught in my knurling tool I almost soiled my pants...did you know that a knurling tool bends a nice radius on a acid brush, similar to a pinch roller... ;)
That Clausing head attachment looks a lot like Roberto from futurama - The Criminally insane, psychotic robot, obsessed with stabbing people in different places with different objects .
@@pierresgarage2687 LOL. I don't mind doing Lyles wheel cutters. They are not that bad to do most the time. Especially it they only need the periphery edges touched up. Once your set up you can run with it. 😁
First? Curious. When a keyseat needs to be cut on both ends of a shaft, should they be 'timed' , or should they be @180° for balance for a high speed application?
I suspect it would usually depend on the machine it was used in. If there were gears or sprockets with a positive position to maintain the relative positions of various parts, then timing to retain those positions would be needed. If the shaft had belts that could slip or creep, then timing of the keys would not be necessary. If the keys were to affect the working strength of the shaft, the whole shaft would be grossly underdesigned and big changes should be considered.
MrPete A shout out for one of your protégés your audience should check out. Blondihacks, well lite,lol, informative, knowledgeable, modest, concise , thoughtful, safety oriented, sense of humor and growing, give her a look and subscribe, a good way to encourage our future “ makers” hate that phrase, ps no annoying music!
Excellent!! I purchased a Rockwell horizontal a week back. Getting ready to cut some keyseats for new shafts in a 100 year old Flint & Walling windmill. Searching a little last night and saw that you now have the Clausing horizontal. Low and behold, you have a couple three videos on doing that using various methods.
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when a smart peer is speaking, you listen, not turn video off. free or not. thanks for your time!
Thank you very much
Good job, I’m glad to see the Clausing up and running. Between the freshly cleaned up vice and your new speed handle it’s looking good.
Thanks
What I like best about your videos are they are done with tools and machines that both the home (retired) and on the job folks have on hand. I like the higher end CNC stuff shown elsewhere, but don't expect to be trying out any personally. Your end of video calculations are very important and presented well.
Thanks - again!
Thank you, I didn't think anyone would watch the end of the video. Usually no one wants to see the calculations. I was hesitant to include them
Well done. It made complete sense and the math didn't make my brain hurt!
Thanks.
lol
The Clausing is a serious machine. Ive used one in a few times the hardest part is setting her up. Thanks for the awesome nostalgia!
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The depth of the key seat calculation information, reference data information and the trick to mill until the full width of the cut contacts the arc of the shaft OD, then mill depth 1/2 the key dimension is superb information. I spent a career in a machine shop as a repair technician and never learned that information. Now hobby machining at home, I need to learn this information.
Thanks
Really enjoyed the video this morning . Just drinking my coffee in front of the computer before going to church.
thanks Professor for the KEY information and the "golden" rule.
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Hello you adorable little milling machine, it is great to see you again, is winter then over as you say you are a spring machine.
We see or think we see you are milling in 4.00" Kurt vise you just refurbished.
This will be a good key-way cutter video many machines and spinning shafts in our daily lives have keys to hold impellers, pullers, fans and many other applications, so this is a very useful video.
Great cutter depth start tip at the end there Lyle.
Thank you for the share, Lance & Patrick.
👍👍👍 we got 2 inches of snow this morning, very slushy. In fact it's still snowing. You desert rats are lucky, LOL
75* in las Vegas to day, no snow. Dull cutters seem to be cheap and plentiful, What would it take to set up a tool grinder to sharpen them? @@mrpete222
Nice to see you outside enjoying the new mill! Eagerly awaiting my new T shirts. Thanks, Mr. Pete! :-)
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Nice video Mr. Pete, particularly like the various methods for determining depth of cut. As a gunsmith, I use a horizontal milling cutter attachment for my Bridgeport, which seems to work very well. I I use it for cutting flutes in rifle barrels. I set up the barrels in hexagonal 5C collet blocks, and just flip to next side for next flute. I use a 1/8th radiuses 3 inch cutter, and don't cut very deep, between 1/16 and 1/8. Thanks again for info about cutting keysets on shafts to the proper depth. I always learn something from your videos.
Thank you for watching
Thank you for the effort in presenting the information. I appreciate the time spent. Nice job. Thanks for sharing. God bless you and yours.
Thank you very much
Very nice to see how this is done. Thanks for sharing Mr. Pete, hope you and your Family have a blessed day.
Great video Mr pete!!
Hey Pete finally found a horizontal mill,, it's a Sheldon Vernon,,, in great condition with 10 cutters and end mill holder with many tools,, l think I stole it for 300 bucks,, weights about 600lbs,, and no run out on spindle and indicator don't move on full range of table slide
Sounds like a good deal
Indeed my “UA-cam shop teacher” !
Thanks
Thank you , it's been a long winter for sure with snow again this morning down here in Springfield, IL
We got 2 inches here
Thanks for the video. In the UK we don’t use this type of open ended key seat. We mill the seat in from the end of the shaft and then make a key with two radii, one at each end. You can also buy them in various lengths rather than filing your own radii. This way as you pointed out it doesn’t come loose. At work we have a Canadian machine that uses open ended key seats, and no matter how much you tighten down on the grub screw in the sprocket, over a period of a couple of months the key works it’s way out. I’m an Electrical Engineer by profession and a Machinist by hobby, but I always refer to both machined parts as keyways. I don’t know if over here they are actually called a key seat and it’s just my lack of correct terminology. Regards Rob
Half moon keys are in part 3. Soon
Nice to see you doing some horizontal milling. Thanks.
Nice to see your "refreshed Kurt vice" on the job!👍
Excellent video Mr. Pete! I enjoyed it very much. I can see myself using this information one day.
NO ! The video isn't over until it's over. The best part was between 0:00 and 16:13.
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Good info Mr. Pete, I always wondered about the measurements.
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Nice work Mr Pete
I always liked the horizontal mills. Would love to have had you as my second year shop teacher. I'm shore the one we had was a good machinist, but he was not a TEACHER!
That's too bad
Very good lesson. Thank you.
Mr. Pete send some of your dull cutters to Steve Summers. he can sharpen them for you.
It ain’t over till the “ Fat Lady Sings “ , so I always watch till the end 😉 ! Thanks for an interesting video !
Please, I don't want to hear Rosanne Barr sing....
ShysterLawyer , I have to agree with you , that’s one fat lady I never want to hear sing !!!
2 thumbs up. enjoyed
Thanks
Beautiful machine and excellent tutorial as always.
_Dan_
The kid from Mt. Vernon Vocational who knows your buddy.
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Heh. The extra information at the end is the best part of this video.
Really?? I almost threw it out
@@mrpete222 Absolutely, especially the part about how to properly gage the depth.
I've inferred some general principles for how to gage things, but no one seems to present them as such. Things like always measuring between two faces, not a sharp edge, etc.
Great video. I’m curious if you had to make a key slot the whole length of a shaft would it be easier on the horizontal mill or the vertical mill
Horz
Always great thanks
Cigarette rolling papers (Zig Zag) are very uniformly 0.001 in. thick, and work well for "touching off" cutters.
For those folks that roll their own “cigarettes”.
You can touch off on vise jaws and measure center?
A question to all I have a bench top lathe and I have been using a milling attachment for small jobs and my question is would I be able to use a horizontal milling arbor with a MT3 head stock and a live centre tail stock for small milling jobs I would really appreciated your opinion and input to this idea
Possibly, but it would be very limited. Lots of interference
I found that shaving a little bit and then centering cutter works best with so many teeth it lessens chance of era
Now I ask you; could you ever imagine an instructor greater than our "Mr Pete"? Huh?
Thank you very much
Thanks Lyle
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Thanks again!
Mr Pete, I have a question, I need to drill out a rivet gun tip as I lost the 1/8 tip (off a roof into a pebble path never to be seen again) and I never use the next size down. It is of course, as hard as a coffin nail, but if I buy a solid carbide drill, will it drill it? HSS didn’t even look at it. Love your vids by the way. Matt.
I think it would work
mrpete222 I’ll give it a go. Thank you.
Have you tried sweeping the area with a magnet to find the one in the pebbles..?
TC Ed was on site, the biggest magnet I carry in the Ute is 10mm.
Nice video, enjoyed, well done. Great explanation. But you did not tell us the golden rule. Thank you Lyle.
"Do unto others at they do to you."
No, wait, that would be vindictive...
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You need to get a cinncinatti tool and cutter grinder to sharpen your cutters
THANK YOU...for sharing.
Where can I buy this '' Black Book''?
!Warning some wining about metric! are the tabels in the machinist blackbook also in Milimeters.
They are in metric and imperial.
Thank you.
Good info
Thanks for sharing sir..
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LOL...first time my acid / oil brush got caught in my knurling tool I almost soiled my pants...did you know that a knurling tool bends a nice radius on a acid brush, similar to a pinch roller... ;)
lol
That was the last time I ever used a brush on a knurler. I've strictly used flood coolant from then onward.
That Clausing head attachment looks a lot like Roberto from futurama - The Criminally insane, psychotic robot, obsessed with stabbing people in different places with different objects .
lol
Excellent.
Send me your dull wheel cutters if you like Lyle. I would be more than happy to put a new edge on them for you.
Thank you, I will. I need to do some sorting
@@mrpete222
Send them ALL, If I'm right, you're allowed 70 pounds in the fix rate USPS parcels, even 2 boxes would still be a great deal... LOL
@@mrpete222 I will be glad to do them Lyle. Sort them out and send them. I will do all the ones I can. 👍
@@pierresgarage2687 LOL. I don't mind doing Lyles wheel cutters. They are not that bad to do most the time. Especially it they only need the periphery edges touched up. Once your set up you can run with it. 😁
I'm not worried, Lyles is a very reasonable and kind man, he's never to take advantage of someone or situation... ;)
It snowed today😄
It's still snowing right now
First? Curious. When a keyseat needs to be cut on both ends of a shaft, should they be 'timed' , or should they be @180° for balance for a high speed application?
Never thought of it. Maybe 180
@@mrpete222
Thanks, Lyle. Have rebuilt a high speed SIHI industrial pump that was @180° if I remember correctly. Was in the '90's, though!
This 1941 US Office of Education demonstration film show it on the same side on both ends: ua-cam.com/video/VyWCZ24nZjw/v-deo.html
I suspect it would usually depend on the machine it was used in. If there were gears or sprockets with a positive position to maintain the relative positions of various parts, then timing to retain those positions would be needed. If the shaft had belts that could slip or creep, then timing of the keys would not be necessary. If the keys were to affect the working strength of the shaft, the whole shaft would be grossly underdesigned and big changes should be considered.
MrPete
A shout out for one of your protégés your audience should check out. Blondihacks, well lite,lol, informative, knowledgeable, modest, concise , thoughtful, safety oriented, sense of humor and growing, give her a look and subscribe, a good way to encourage our future “ makers” hate that phrase, ps no annoying music!
A “key” video for machinists!
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Hey Mr. Pete anytime you want to adopt me I'll gladly accept I really hope you have kids in your life that appreciates all the tools you have
lol