Viggen was one of my early favorite plane to use because of its cannons...lately when I use it, it felt like im shooting blanks on the enemy. Thanks for sharing
What I find funny is attack jets are air to ground jets and NOT well suited to air to air combat. Yet in this game they are the OP of air to air combat.
Attackstorm indeed and i feel the whole problem with these riddiculous nerfs are simply noobs, noobs that start playing having 0 understanding of the game and then hopping on the MS discord and complaining their balls off and because MS isnt as big as wt or dcs the devs wanna please the noobs to get more noobs and grow the playerbase, one perfect example is noobs complaining on reddit about flaring and still getting hit, shortly after those complaints start coming in missiles started missing like crazy, devs dont care about higher tier players they just want more noobs to grow their playerbase
Man thank you for talking about the Viggen here. This was one of my early favorites and I know ppl think it was overpowered. It's gun's were not overpowered. The problem people have is its range. The guns famage itself was decent nothing that wasn't already present in the game. Its range is what gave it that edge. If they wanted it more balanced all they had to do was lower the range on the gun, then again that's what also made it stand out. Let's face it every other thing about it was basically in line with pretty much every other jet in the game. The missles aren't anything special it has ok speed and turning etc etc. i can still do good with it but I always deel like my rounds should be making more consistent hits. And it universal across the entirety of the guns' range. Up close it should connect more, longer range I get the less acurate hits but it still just feels way to off the mark. Anyway that's my two cents. If anyone has anything ti add feel free to do so, im all ears.
I have the same issue with the J37. The Gr3 destroyed .the SU25 is still OP. The A10 has +400 HP, and you can't shoot them with short-range missiles; you have to get closer, so they can shoot you with rockets. And don't forget 67% less damage taken from guns.
The Viggen was my favorite jet for a good long while. I like to dog fight so being able to turn and having cannons that reach out and finish them off was great but now like you've shown they don't even hit anymore. It's really not right when you pay for something based off it's current stats, then after buying said plane and loving said plane they completely change everything about it that made you pick that particular plane to begin with. It's very fraudy..... And the 25 is just a beast, went head-on with another 25 and an A4 and went on to kill more with over half my health still intact. Live how they "nerfed" it by giving it 2 more missiles and slightly weaker rockets. The Viggen nerf hurts my feelings tho as I dumped all spare parts into it to take it to 20. That and my F14.....everything I've dumped parts into to take to lvl 20 they nerfed
They need to revert the nerfs and do these things to ensure a fair, balanced and fun game .Buff IR missile and Radar guided Missile accuracy and damage (Shouldn't take three missiles to kill one plane), add a separate mode for people who want to progress through the flight pass and Achievements and ranks without playing humans, add a way to choose what game type you want to play, add some more skins, and be more open with the community
It started when you have to pay to fly a better upgraded planes rather than paying for skins and extras (flare colors, peeps sounds, effects.. etc) It’s un fair game to start with, let alone the matching with higher level planes, types, and equipments) Completely will destroy the game future
I am actually new in this game so I might be wrong but Imo I just got the MIII and I am absolutely shredding my enemies with it. I can kill mostly any other plane head on with its cannons (300 DPS) and when you combine it with medium range missiles enemies don't stand a chance...
@@Adulos365 hey that's awesome! If you're below level 8 and 600 trophies you will be playing against bots so that might be why but if you're above then you are definitely shredding ;)
I want to tell you K9 that i play on my phone and though the balancing needs work. Missles and cannons work much better then they seem to in your gameplay. Seems to be an issue on the PC version of the game.
@@totenkopf8814 yeah I tried controller and the aim assist is crazy strong! On mouse you get aim assist but no where near as much lock on as controller 🎮
@@K9Starkyeah maybe your ping was bad in that game, I find the the viggen has very accurate fire which requires a precise aim. I still do well with it despite the nerfs, having the double the usual cannon range is still incredibly useful.
@@K9Stark People have their preferences, but people want opinions from experienced players for sure. They know the mechanics/specifics better than the average, would be awesome to see a plane tier list vid
This game is already going to fail like the OG Metalstorm games because this game is more like 85% Pay 2 Win and 15% Free 2 Play which this game is not really Free 2 Play friendly
Not trying to start anything or badmouth you in anyway, but as someone that flies this game at the highest skill level there is and has a massive experience of over 2.5 years... i can confidently tell you that the viggen is still a high tier jet. It's not broken as Su25 and MiG19, but it's still pretty darn good in the right hands. You complained about the gun many times over, part of the time regarding bullet velocity, that's an unreasonable complaint as the viggen's cannon still holds, by far, the highest bullet velocity in the game of 1900m/s. The tricky thing with this plane is actually aiming the gun, it's so fast and so ridiculously precise that if your aim is off by just a hair you will barely hit anything, and looking at your footage that seems to be the case. Another tip for flying this is utilizing the massive cannon range and bullet speed to its maximum advantage. I see you closing in when shooting at someone, dogfighting, the viggen is not suited for that, especially since you give away your range advantage - Why close in for a knifefight with a sniper rifle? Perhaps try to hold some more distance between you and your enemies and minimizing the rate of closure between you and them. I play on pc, similarly to you, but using a controller, also i use the auto-zoom feature for the guns, and i find it really really helps with precise aiming, especially since my screen size isn't much, only 15.6" given i play on a laptop. On the viggen i use the same mods as you, perhaps different level though, and yet i, despite the original nerf of 2400m/s to 1900m/s in bullet velocity which was close to a year ago my gameplay with it has been pretty much unaffected. Reiterating this: having a razor sharp aim is crucial on the Jas37 Viggen. Really enjoy your videos, and hope this comment helps. , ·:ムʀɪm尺ᴇᴀᴘᴇʀ丂:·
Thanks for the comment mate! I'll be sure to check those things out. I did however watch the video back in slow mo and my aim was very precise against the mig19 at one point and not one hit but like we discussed in discord it could be a few things. Thanks again mate :)
@@K9Stark Another thing regarding aim of the Jas37's cannon is that a bit of lag can really screw you over, sometimes i find that you need to lead the lead reticle because the center of it isn't getting many hits
Yup i agree with you but let me say this, you are playing the su25 game with a fighter plane, you just dont head on to it n expect to outgun it BUT rather play the fighter game, keep your distance and that way the attacker plane wont reach nor touch you, is that simple i do it all the time. They are easy kill, the easiest just dont close in head on and keep your distance use your radar keep your distance they'll retarget their closest enemy, right there is when you turn in towards them for the easy kill.
If the su25 rockets aren't hitting you across map then that player is pants in the su25 lol, maps are WAY to small to avoid going round a corner and being blasted in the face with rockets. You would need all planes visible on the maps at ALL times to avoid them.
I mean yeah I get that but that means having them lit up on the map at all times, as shown in the video the maps are to small to escape turning round a corner and being blown in the face and deleted
Viggen was nerfed a while ago I just haven't used it for a long time because like I said in the video nothing competes with the meta jets unfortunately! Lol
Actually, I got bored with this stupid game .. they want you to play only with attackers, jets ..all players now playing with a6 and su25 that so annoying ..
Newbie here, I’m having fun with a level 9 mig 19 and a 11 A4 but looking at the problem of attacker storm I’m wondering if it’s even worth upgrading any craft 😮 what should I do …
Well you have to upgrade because of the stupid trophy system.. you can't keep playing your favourite jets as the higher your trophies get and eventually you will get to 1200 your be placed against level 20 so it's inevitable that you end up in this vicious cycle.
The problems is your trophy count. You can keep it whatever lvl you want but your trophies are going to start putting you into way higher lvl matches anyway......you just won't pack the same power that everyone else there has. So, in other words, they've programmed it so that you really have no choice. One would think you could chose to stay at a lvl you're happy and comfortable with but with the trophy system in place along with "voluntarily" upgrading its all pointless
@@austinmichaels4233 yeah exactly .. trophies mess match making up big time! You can't play your favourite plane for more than 2 hard days playing in a row or you're over 1k trophies..
@K9Stark a lot of fun planes get "plateaued" and are suddenly unplayable which doesn't make since. It completely takes away ones choice of playing casually for fun or wanting to max out and compete hard. Then, of course, they take all the best components of the planes you've been sinking money into and completely nerf them to the point that they're no longer even worth using.
Hey mate, click on the name of the player you want to check out and if it goes to their profile it's a player! If nothing happens it's a bot :) thanks for watching!
Apologies if you can hear me breathing still struggling back ere! 😂💀
I thought i was the only one feeling like my cannons take forever to deal damage.
#buffcannons and remove rockets haha
Viggen was one of my early favorite plane to use because of its cannons...lately when I use it, it felt like im shooting blanks on the enemy. Thanks for sharing
I actually have this problem on a number of planes, I've reinstalled the game multiple times and even windows on my pc I became that frustrated.
Check this out sir... it was my pleasure playing with this fella. You should totally let me join now lol
Rockets you mean the unguided light poles that you really have to learn how to use them.
What I find funny is attack jets are air to ground jets and NOT well suited to air to air combat. Yet in this game they are the OP of air to air combat.
Yeah unpopular opinion of mine but take rockets out of the game.. lol
@@K9Stark agreed, if it's a Dogfight game then make it lol
Agreed. Game better make a move up!
Attackstorm indeed and i feel the whole problem with these riddiculous nerfs are simply noobs, noobs that start playing having 0 understanding of the game and then hopping on the MS discord and complaining their balls off and because MS isnt as big as wt or dcs the devs wanna please the noobs to get more noobs and grow the playerbase, one perfect example is noobs complaining on reddit about flaring and still getting hit, shortly after those complaints start coming in missiles started missing like crazy, devs dont care about higher tier players they just want more noobs to grow their playerbase
Yeah that gun hitrate is fucking abysmal, what the hell
Now I'm having trouble with my steering on mobile can't steer at all
Man thank you for talking about the Viggen here. This was one of my early favorites and I know ppl think it was overpowered. It's gun's were not overpowered. The problem people have is its range. The guns famage itself was decent nothing that wasn't already present in the game. Its range is what gave it that edge. If they wanted it more balanced all they had to do was lower the range on the gun, then again that's what also made it stand out. Let's face it every other thing about it was basically in line with pretty much every other jet in the game. The missles aren't anything special it has ok speed and turning etc etc. i can still do good with it but I always deel like my rounds should be making more consistent hits. And it universal across the entirety of the guns' range. Up close it should connect more, longer range I get the less acurate hits but it still just feels way to off the mark. Anyway that's my two cents. If anyone has anything ti add feel free to do so, im all ears.
I have the same issue with the J37. The Gr3 destroyed .the SU25 is still OP. The A10 has +400 HP, and you can't shoot them with short-range missiles; you have to get closer, so they can shoot you with rockets. And don't forget 67% less damage taken from guns.
The Viggen was my favorite jet for a good long while. I like to dog fight so being able to turn and having cannons that reach out and finish them off was great but now like you've shown they don't even hit anymore. It's really not right when you pay for something based off it's current stats, then after buying said plane and loving said plane they completely change everything about it that made you pick that particular plane to begin with. It's very fraudy..... And the 25 is just a beast, went head-on with another 25 and an A4 and went on to kill more with over half my health still intact. Live how they "nerfed" it by giving it 2 more missiles and slightly weaker rockets. The Viggen nerf hurts my feelings tho as I dumped all spare parts into it to take it to 20. That and my F14.....everything I've dumped parts into to take to lvl 20 they nerfed
Rockets ruin the game in my personal opinion, it should be good old missiles and gun fights to make it much more skilled focused.
They need to revert the nerfs and do these things to ensure a fair, balanced and fun game .Buff IR missile and Radar guided Missile accuracy and damage (Shouldn't take three missiles to kill one plane), add a separate mode for people who want to progress through the flight pass and Achievements and ranks without playing humans, add a way to choose what game type you want to play, add some more skins, and be more open with the community
I love the Su-25 but the attacker meta needs to be changed
Probably the best bet would be to remove rockets entirely and replace with IR missiles or two gun pods
It started when you have to pay to fly a better upgraded planes rather than paying for skins and extras (flare colors, peeps sounds, effects.. etc)
It’s un fair game to start with, let alone the matching with higher level planes, types, and equipments)
Completely will destroy the game future
Well played mate
I am actually new in this game so I might be wrong but Imo I just got the MIII and I am absolutely shredding my enemies with it. I can kill mostly any other plane head on with its cannons (300 DPS) and when you combine it with medium range missiles enemies don't stand a chance...
@@Adulos365 hey that's awesome! If you're below level 8 and 600 trophies you will be playing against bots so that might be why but if you're above then you are definitely shredding ;)
@@K9Stark 600 trophies in total or on that specific jet?
I want to tell you K9 that i play on my phone and though the balancing needs work. Missles and cannons work much better then they seem to in your gameplay. Seems to be an issue on the PC version of the game.
@@totenkopf8814 yeah I tried controller and the aim assist is crazy strong! On mouse you get aim assist but no where near as much lock on as controller 🎮
@@K9Starkyeah maybe your ping was bad in that game, I find the the viggen has very accurate fire which requires a precise aim. I still do well with it despite the nerfs, having the double the usual cannon range is still incredibly useful.
Can you make a video rating all planes?
Yeah I can, it's very different for everyone though like what works for me might not work for you etc..
@@K9Stark People have their preferences, but people want opinions from experienced players for sure. They know the mechanics/specifics better than the average, would be awesome to see a plane tier list vid
The JA-37 cannon had a range buff but at the cost of it it's dps is still good but you have to be very precise like the M2K cannons
@@Timmysyt if only it was like the m2k lol, it performs nothing like that.. look at the video the hit reg is fked
@K9Stark Just played with it once
Its below average but still hits very early due to the range
This game is already going to fail like the OG Metalstorm games because this game is more like 85% Pay 2 Win and 15% Free 2 Play which this game is not really Free 2 Play friendly
PREACH IT BRO!!!
Not now no till they fix all the problems on here
Not trying to start anything or badmouth you in anyway, but as someone that flies this game at the highest skill level there is and has a massive experience of over 2.5 years... i can confidently tell you that the viggen is still a high tier jet. It's not broken as Su25 and MiG19, but it's still pretty darn good in the right hands.
You complained about the gun many times over, part of the time regarding bullet velocity, that's an unreasonable complaint as the viggen's cannon still holds, by far, the highest bullet velocity in the game of 1900m/s.
The tricky thing with this plane is actually aiming the gun, it's so fast and so ridiculously precise that if your aim is off by just a hair you will barely hit anything, and looking at your footage that seems to be the case.
Another tip for flying this is utilizing the massive cannon range and bullet speed to its maximum advantage. I see you closing in when shooting at someone, dogfighting, the viggen is not suited for that, especially since you give away your range advantage - Why close in for a knifefight with a sniper rifle? Perhaps try to hold some more distance between you and your enemies and minimizing the rate of closure between you and them.
I play on pc, similarly to you, but using a controller, also i use the auto-zoom feature for the guns, and i find it really really helps with precise aiming, especially since my screen size isn't much, only 15.6" given i play on a laptop.
On the viggen i use the same mods as you, perhaps different level though, and yet i, despite the original nerf of 2400m/s to 1900m/s in bullet velocity which was close to a year ago my gameplay with it has been pretty much unaffected.
Reiterating this: having a razor sharp aim is crucial on the Jas37 Viggen.
Really enjoy your videos, and hope this comment helps.
, ·:ムʀɪm尺ᴇᴀᴘᴇʀ丂:·
Did u start playing during beta? They just had their one year anniversary not long ago
Thanks for the comment mate! I'll be sure to check those things out. I did however watch the video back in slow mo and my aim was very precise against the mig19 at one point and not one hit but like we discussed in discord it could be a few things. Thanks again mate :)
@@tsunghan_yu yes indeed :)
@@K9Stark Another thing regarding aim of the Jas37's cannon is that a bit of lag can really screw you over, sometimes i find that you need to lead the lead reticle because the center of it isn't getting many hits
I agree the game has become crap I used to play every day but since the nurfs I just about have stopped it used to be a lot more fun to play
Yup i agree with you but let me say this, you are playing the su25 game with a fighter plane, you just dont head on to it n expect to outgun it BUT rather play the fighter game, keep your distance and that way the attacker plane wont reach nor touch you, is that simple i do it all the time. They are easy kill, the easiest just dont close in head on and keep your distance use your radar keep your distance they'll retarget their closest enemy, right there is when you turn in towards them for the easy kill.
If the su25 rockets aren't hitting you across map then that player is pants in the su25 lol, maps are WAY to small to avoid going round a corner and being blasted in the face with rockets. You would need all planes visible on the maps at ALL times to avoid them.
@K9Stark yup i know the pain lol just avoid them at all cost keep your distance.
Did they nerfed Viggen's cannon? 🤔
attackers are definitely OP. but all you have to do is not fly directly at them
I mean yeah I get that but that means having them lit up on the map at all times, as shown in the video the maps are to small to escape turning round a corner and being blown in the face and deleted
Is this downgrade a recent thing , or was it part of the december big adjustment ?
Viggen was nerfed a while ago I just haven't used it for a long time because like I said in the video nothing competes with the meta jets unfortunately! Lol
Actually, I got bored with this stupid game .. they want you to play only with attackers, jets ..all players now playing with a6 and su25 that so annoying ..
How can you tell if a player is a bot?
@@totenkopf8814 click on the player you want to check out and if it doesn't go to their profile it's a bot :)
Newbie here, I’m having fun with a level 9 mig 19 and a 11 A4 but looking at the problem of attacker storm I’m wondering if it’s even worth upgrading any craft 😮 what should I do …
Well you have to upgrade because of the stupid trophy system.. you can't keep playing your favourite jets as the higher your trophies get and eventually you will get to 1200 your be placed against level 20 so it's inevitable that you end up in this vicious cycle.
@@K9StarkYes the game would be fun without some shits like that
I dislike the SU25. I don't like playing against it and I don't like flying it. Not my style of play.
@@paulmarshall4794 it really does suck! I'll use it if a team is abusing attackers.
😂 i never hit anyone with my SU 25 rockets . On android it is soooo hard to aim those .
Have you tried a controller that pairs with your phone like "back bone"? I've heard it helps A LOT :)
@@K9Stark never heard of it , in looked it up and ordering one soon.
why this game is have 1 map and the match end very quick
Haw i Doing for unlock jets?
How to instal Metalstorm in Pc bro?
Hey it's on epic games :)
JF17 BLUNDER😂😂😂
Just don't fly in straight lines
I'll play against you in my su25 you fly in the craziest lines and see if you win?
덤벼라 나는 빨간마후라다
Agree! Not inclined to upgrade my F14 past level 8 as to avoid the damn frogfoots!
The problems is your trophy count. You can keep it whatever lvl you want but your trophies are going to start putting you into way higher lvl matches anyway......you just won't pack the same power that everyone else there has. So, in other words, they've programmed it so that you really have no choice. One would think you could chose to stay at a lvl you're happy and comfortable with but with the trophy system in place along with "voluntarily" upgrading its all pointless
@ absolutely dude! I’m approaching 800 trophies and have noticed this
@@austinmichaels4233 yeah exactly .. trophies mess match making up big time! You can't play your favourite plane for more than 2 hard days playing in a row or you're over 1k trophies..
@K9Stark a lot of fun planes get "plateaued" and are suddenly unplayable which doesn't make since. It completely takes away ones choice of playing casually for fun or wanting to max out and compete hard. Then, of course, they take all the best components of the planes you've been sinking money into and completely nerf them to the point that they're no longer even worth using.
Ok honest question here. How do you know your playing bots?.....Another fantastic video Chief 🫡
Hey mate, click on the name of the player you want to check out and if it goes to their profile it's a player! If nothing happens it's a bot :) thanks for watching!
@K9Stark wicked man cheers