Breaking Down: Ingrid - Fire Emblem: Three Houses Unit Analysis
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- Опубліковано 7 вер 2024
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Today we Break Down Blue Lions member, Ingrid!
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I'm a big advocate for mage Ingrid, she was one of my best untis in my azure moon maddening run as a dark flier. It also makes her way more distinct from other units
It definitely can be very strong!
Gonna advocate for Dark Flier again - really underrated Ingrid build!
Definitely a solid option!
I've actually fallen into that in my current Azure Moon run with her because miss ma'am decided to have more magic than strength
It's going awesome, she crits often enough and the magic staff makes her magic stronger than her lances
To me it’s like Ingrid was hand made to be the Pegasus knight
Most of her promotional art shows her riding one...hmm... Probably just a coincidence.
@@Stachelbeeerchen I mean yea but other characters have like boons that show “oooh if you wanted to they could do x or y also” but Ingrid even with that riding boom I just, can’t put my finger on it it just feels like she was born to do it
Not sure for her st growth tho :l
Galatea canonical is the origin of Pegasus knights. The Galatea battalion is a Pegasus squadron. Her required proficiency for recruitment is flying. *She is the Pegasus knight.*
Ingrid is great. She's always worth recruiting for Luin, and at that point you can make her your dancer if you so please. Sword boon means you can get higher prowess skills which can help her dodge attacks combined with sword avo from dancer, alongside her high speed protecting her from being doubled. The riding boon also means you can push for move +1 if you want
I remember you giving sword avo a really low rank in your abilities tier list due to it tricking newer players into dodge tanking with their dancer, but just having it equipped only gives upsides (its not like dancers can't afford the ability slot) and just grants a bit of extra safety, which is great for a frail untrained unit that will likely be in harm's way more often than other units
Me always recruiting Ingrid for the Galatea Pegasus Corps lol
about mage Ingrid, something that she can legit use well is Transmute.
you can combine it with things like pure waters etc. to prevent the counterattacks wearing down the battalion too much and she often makes good use of the stat boosts on the whole as she is an excellent mixed unit
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I like more the magical build for Ingrid since I felt she has more versatility she can heal with Physic or do effective damage against beast with Seraphim that you usually fight more in the late-endgame since she can use Valkyrie for Thoron to had "siege tome at home" to help for give support for gambits, Dark Flier for more versatiles Physics and Thorons, she also has the ice spells and Thoron that has some crit so adding battalions that can boost crit like the crit ring,Timotheos Mages if you choose to make her a Valkyrie,Dark Knight,Mortal Savant
Mage Ingrid definitely has a lot of merit to it!
Been waiting for this one! I always struggle to use Ingrid, but I got her in a draft I'm currently doing.
Hope it helps you out!
In AM route any magic class Ingrid is by far her most consistent build, warlock bases do wonders to her. Also she is one of the most interesting units in the games, she can perform really well in so many classes
In my experience ingrid is one of the best units for a specific type of challenge run where you use everyone’s worst class based on their boons and banes (see failureEmblem). Her lack of banes means you have a little more freedom on what you do with her, her balanced growths make her good for both magic and physical, and when characters are using their terrible spell lists or weapons they have no skills or combat arts for, having a good spell list and not very contested thyrsus access makes for a wonderful mage. And for the physical route, having no boon in axes is great because she’s not kept away from death blow like characters such as Annette and sylvain who would otherwise be better snipers or grapplers/war-monks. She can be a tad frustrating as wyvern lord, her otherwise best class, has an obscene C rank lance requirement that stops her from getting to that. This would also apply to dark/holy knight but A those suck and B they’re horses so she wouldn’t get them anyway.
Anyway, that’s my good experiences with Ingrid as I haven’t used her in a normal play through for since my first blue lions run, only recruiting for so I can shove Luin on whatever swift-strikes or vengeance user I have at the the time.
Yesss omg I remember when Failure Emblem did Blue Lions and his gremory Ingrid was probably his best unit the whole run. Inspired me to do magic Ingrid myself, bc not many other units can be a high speed/crit mage. Maybe Manuela, but she doesn’t get the high crit ice magic and thoron like Ingrid does
Make me anything you want! I'm strong enough to take a hit from Felix, I mean avoid hit.
Ingrid has always ended up hardly ever killing anything but never getting hit
Looking at her growths I wonder why I never tried dark flier Ingrid
pegasus knight doesn’t give her any str or mag growths so unless you rig her str/mag growths or reclass her out of pk she’s going to struggle with dealing damage on either side
edit: nvm wyvern rider can fix that
While Pegasus OOH growths do benefit Ingrid massively, it’s also kinda sad that the Thief growths benefit the unit I think she competes most with in Petra. When recruited in Ch6, Ingrid has 2HP, 4Mag, 2Def, 10Res and 4Charm over Petra, who has 2Str, 3Dex, 3Spe and 1Lck over Ingrid. Petra is basically automatically established as a more offensively unit by a sizeable margin early game who (despite needing some Lance training) slots easier into the offensive Pegasus -> Wyvern role. This kinda leaves Bat Desp as Ingrid’s only niche in the physical flier role, since Petra also gets Bat Wrath which makes her far better on enemy phase. Petra also has a much easier time getting to Archer and starts with the requirements for Brigand at the cost of needing to work on Lances to go Pegasus, but needing Lances and Bows (with a boon) compared to Ingrid wanting Axes and Bows (with no boons) puts Petra in a situation where she is more ready to get the intermediate qualifications she needs compared to Ingrid.
OOH Ingrid’s main strength over Petra besides Bat Desp is her defensive utility early imo, as a base 16 Res factoring in Pegasus modifiers is frankly incredible at baiting mages in a similar way to how Dedue can bait physical attackers (though ofc these are more plentiful on most maps than mages). Combined with Rally Res from an Annette, Hubert or Constance and the Res bonus from early flying battalions Ingrid gets tinked or takes negligible damage from many mages in Ch6+7, which is very nice for a fast physical unit who is likely able to double and nearly one round many of those mages with a Bow from 2 range, compared to other high Res units who are typically also Mages who will be targeting the higher Res. In fact, Ingrid is tied with Anna and Lorenz for the highest Res growth of characters that don’t canonically go into a magic class when OOH or as enemies, and so I’d say it’s definitely worth mentioning as a main factor in Ingrid’s early game role
this competition only exists in VW
As i'm currently doing an only bad units run, is nice to see your point of view on those units with this kind of videos; i'm trying to make a dodge tank + defiant crit build for ingrid, and boy it is taking some effort to do since the stat boosters for str and spe are normally going for other people so they don't get behind
Thank you!
What sort of units are you using/did you use in the run? I'm pretty sure Anna, Ashe and Raph made the cut but I'm curious what other units made it.
@@hisen3.146 I had: Ashe, Anna, Dorothea, Hanneman, Manuela, Gilbert, Caspar, Lorenz, Raph, Ingrid, Byleth (Holy knight) and Dimitri (Dancer)
And funny enough, Raph wasn't originally going to be used, it was gonna be Mercie, but those were too many mages so i change them last minute
My NG maddening BL run had Ingrid slotted into Mortal Savant. I figured her speed would be so significance developed by lategame that the speed bane wouldn't hurt her. Also generally pretty low investment to really only work on swords, tomes and authority. Definitely a bit of a meme, but was pretty effective.
Nice, glad it worked out for you!
Glad to see these vids back!
Im a big fan of player phase ingrid, and while she feels more at home as a falcon knight, its to deny just how good wyverns are. Another reason for that which i dont think you mentioned is that axes just do better against the things ingrid is capable of doubling on maddening. With the psuedo weapon triangle, axes really only do bad against swords users, which ingrid would almost never be doubling anyways.
Ingrid will forever have a special place in my heart. In house, she is my MVP thanks to her relic weapon, linked attacks with Sylvain/Felix, ease of access to flying classes, and high speed/avoid. Out of house, her stats gains are ridiculous and automatically becomes your best unit once recruited. Highly recommended to recruit in Chapter 8 or 9, then use for the rest of the game.
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Ingrid is a unit that I overall don't have many thoughts on. Dodgetanking I personally find very high effort, especially when there's not an especially high damage result due to no Battalion Wrath, like you said. For a Player Phase unit, I tend to go for Leonie because of eventual PBV and just better starting physical combat, and yeah, for Enemy Phase, it would be Petra (you'll be happy to hear that) or Hilda for GD. By now, I'm pretty firmly convinced that she's mostly noteworthy as a fast mage who's less prone to having mage problems, and also the bringer of both Luin and the Galatea Pegasus Corps, which well, are good things to bring for sure. Good flying B rank battalion, so I do recruit her in all my non-BL runs lol, because just getting a Goddess Ring is. Not It
Mind, I say that about dodgetanking, but it is very funny. I think I remember seeing a randomised class run on my Recommended where Great Knight Ingrid had like... 80+ Avo. And one time, I did go full meme and do Defiant Avoid Brave Lance Falco Ingrid and made her sweep most of AM finale because I thought it was hilarious. So I appreciate the meme potential for sure
Why not use all 4 in the same run? I'm sure you can slot Leonie, Ingrid, Petra and Hilda into the same run and they'd all be effective at what they typically do.
I made Ingrid my Dancer one playthrough. She was only hit a couple times for the rest of the playthrough after the reclass.
I also think magical Ingrid is her best path. It takes a bit to get going, but as Jono notes, it's not like her early game is going to be amazing in any circumstance. I find it funny how much attention has been paid to mage Anna in Engage, who is so painful to train. I guess it's that over-focus on growths and end-game attack stats. Mage Ingrid is way less a meme. I'd rather have Ingrid than many of the "actual mages" in 3H. And this way she fulfills a rather unique role as being a fast mage who can one-round stuff without using one-range combat arts. The only reason one would prefer Lysithea, Hapi, or Constance is because of the utility they bring (Warp, Rescue, dark spells). The main challenges are when she only has Blizzard (because it is so inaccurate) and running out of spells on some of the late-game maps (Gremory has some merit for this reason and it has a higher magic modifier). I didn't bother going for Frozen Lance because it was at the A rank, though the Levin Sword is a good shout. I can't remember whether I used that much. Since she was always attacking from range, I didn't feel Bat. Desp. was really needed. I ran Reason Prowess, Darting Blow, Fiendish Blow, Uncanny Blow, and Magic+2. I bounced around between Valkyrie, Dark Flier, and Gremory. I agree that Valkyrie is probably the best. The range boost is really nice as is the ability to use grounded battalions. Gremory is good if you think you'll run out of spells and need a bit more fire power. And if terrain is an issue Dark Flier is good too.
Ingrid is at least one of the most unique units in probably having the most varied viable builds in the game. Given how uncontested stat boosters are, I think I like the magic build the most. Who else is really using the magic boosters..... a really magic-screwed Lysithea that is falling short of 1-shot thresholds? Same deal with the speed boosters.
Though I admit I don't understand why you recommend Battalion Desperation on a Valkyrie build when she really should be firing from outside counterattack range constantly. Only enemies I could think of are ones like the Death Knight with counterattack.
There's a Golden Deer battalion (chapter 8? _needs C-rank_ ), Alliance Wyvern Co, that gives _flier Impregnable Wall_ with 10 avoid, 5 might, 3 prot. Stacking up her survival stats of avoid/prot with this can allow making a real _wall_ for your backline w/ up to 4 units resisting lethal damage to body-block. It's also a pretty relevant strategy as the GD house is littered with stat-stacking archers and Lysithea. I think for in-house, BL Ingrid on NG+ Maddening(easier training with professor level max), she's far better off as a mage with, in my preference, Warlock/Gremory (only 1 less mov than Valkyrie). Getting the extra casts of a specific spell like Thoron can be a big difference in staying power for her. She can use her range to manage some of the +3 dual bond support damage bonuses with Felix and Sylvain, give constant linked attacks in general, and potentially use a high power gambit here and there. She can resistance-bully enemy mages' bad defense with a javelin, if nothing else at least to stall them from doing anything else. She will need hit+20 worse than almost any other unit when using her crit spell-list, mind you. I tend to healbot early game with her when in-house.
Love your Videos. Always look forward to them. Do you plan on touching sets on Sylvain and Flaynn?
Thank you! I will be going through all the 3H characters - the order of release is voted for by the channels Patreons!
Give her a thundersword to make her into a flex damage carry. Mixxed physical and magic classes like Mortal Savant, Trickster or dark flyer are recommended with dark flyer being the most accessable thanks to her boons.
She's definitely not as bad as some other people make her out to be, especially out of house, and Battalion Desperation plus Darting Blow is pretty sick. But with that being said, yeah she's still not that great imo.
She's a more mid Petra
She is worst than Petra and Leonie in the physical department, but much more flexible
Something I just realised after watching these videos for ages, you could've been changing up the characters growths at the bottom of the screen when you have the information of a specific class up, changing the text to blue or red and showing the total growths within that class
I could, but I really don't think there is any merit too it. Class growths are so low impact that they aren't even worth your consideration, and it would have just been extra work for no tangible upside.
Ingrid gets a bad rap for her str, but on all my BL playthroughs shes been insanely clutch on dodge tanking and diving siege mages in the backline. One of my fave units to use, screw the haters
Hi Storm, fancy seeing you here!
I am going to do a blue lions infantry playthrough where horses, both grounded and winged are off-limits. I don't know what to do with Ingrid though as she is meant to fly.
TWF two of your classmates went to the School of Sorcery but you're the only one who really wants to be a mage
Anyone who doubts Mage Ingrid can work just needs to go see what you did with Mage Leonie in your Interesting Builds run. If Leonie can be that viable in the role, Ingrid can certainly excel in it.
Definitely fair!
Exactly my thoughts!
Ingrid and Manuela have almost identical stat growths. The only difference is Ingrid has higher luck and resistance while Manuela has higher HP and charm.
I will say, the argument for her being better out of house stat wise is true, but an in-house Ingrid can get to level 20 sooner, where by then she can easily get the axe and flying rank for wyvern knight which will raise her base strength to 19. If you really want to use Ingrid, an in house one will be timeskip ready earlier than out of house, and training axes earlier gives her a chance at brigand and even an early armor knight certification to jump to 12 defense at level. 10 at the cost of only one extra intermediate seal.
I dont think she will reach 20 any sooner? Level 11 for chapter 6 is about on par - if not higher - for a poor early game unit
she’s not the worst, but I just can’t use her because of her shaky growths and just other units doing what she does (besides battalion desperation) better. I mainly just use her for might supports
After watching 6 of these Unit Highlight videos, I noticed that every units gets suggested to a Wyvern Lord or Falcon Knight. Every single time. Magical character? Falcon Knight. Archer? Wyvern Lord. Cavalier? Wyvern Lord. Brigand/Brawler? Wyvern Lord. Priest? Falcon Knight. I'm getting the visual that you rely on hit and run too much.
Well they are by far the best classes in the game.
on the wivern lord / falcoknight dilemma with bat desp, if you do aux battles on battle events days the gradivus is just the best lance for falcoknight because 1-2 range and makes the build kinda dumb
You forgot the best pathing for Ingrid: Noble->Soldier->Pegasus Knight/Armored Knight. Then attach her to Sylvain/Felix for the rest of the game for a Mt suppport. This is unironically more than Ashe will probably do for you.
Ingrid does have a priority investment early on. Rally magic at D rank
I don't really think Rally magic is a priority investment personally. Its not very impactful and simply hitting the chosen target with Curved Shot will usually be a better choice than rally magicing in most situations.
Thank goodness she doesn't have any banes. That would be a knightmare.
Magic Ingrid is better than her physical kit. She makes a good dancer as well, with 3range thoron kept equipped to help with supports, easy access to mov+1 and physic if you need it.
Dancer Ingrid is underrated
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Thank you!!
No mention of Swordmaster Ingrid for the 5 Crest Proc on Astra ? I am disappointed... Just joking, love the video, as much I love Ingrid
i have unironically tried a similar build on catherine to see for myself how terrible it was and i was not disappointed since when the crest procs she only gets 1 or 2 damage added
Thank you!
@@gargon9582 You unironically tried Swordmaster Catherine?
Swordmaster...
Catherine...
i did a blue lions run using only canonical classes and thought catherine would be good since she would get swordfaire around chapter 14, naturally double and crit with a +avoid + crit battalion + cursed ashayia sword and a second crit + 10 skill. She one rounded and avoided basically every armour knight with a rapier as well wich made her very good in lategame. Only used astra once tho.@@hisen3.146
On my first BL playthrough she was level 14 and had 9 strength and magic. Tragic
Oof that is rough
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In a serious run I personally never make Ingrid a physical unit, because she requires too much investment relative to the return. There are also too many good flier candidates in BL like Byleth, Sylvain and Sedeth. I always make her go magic and or dancer.
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Is Wyvern a better option than Falcon due to Ingrid's lacking strength?
Generally Wyvern is the better option, yeah
@@JonoabboFE Noticed that Falcon is preferred to just Marianne and Bernnie according to your vids hehe
For me, Ingrid went from Pegasus Knight to ”I belive” Bischop
Ingrid doesn't actually need any damage skills, pretty much most of the game is just kill horse dude with Spear of Assal or kill Hubert with random lance.
10/10
Funny enough, Valkyrie Ingrid is one of my best units in my Blue Lions run.
Yeah, you didn't break down Sylvain and how can you not do Sylvain? Please fix that immediately.
i knowww i really want a sylvain one
Kinda late to ask this in Breaking down Byleth, what is the preferred weapon for Wyvern Lord Byleth: Axe or Sword?
Axes mostly but it can vary based on the situation - but feel free to ask on any video - I'll reply regardless of how old it is if I have the answer!
@@JonoabboFE Wow thanks! I appreciate your vids!
I like Ingrid but she's always been kind of a disappointing unit. Being a jack of all trades and master of none is a weird place to be in this game.
What would you consider excessive grinding?
I keep in intentionally vague, but I don't do any Aux/Quest battles when I play, outside of unlocking the Merchants. Just the main plot + Paralogues. So however much you choose to do, this should all still be viable.
I bet dark flier serves as a better fit for Ingrid.
Ingrid is one of my favourite Three Houses characters but for a unit she is very disappointing
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