How F1's 2021 ground effect differs from its fearsome predecessor - Chain Bear explains

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  • Опубліковано 2 чер 2024
  • Chain Bear's latest video takes a look at the latest details we've seen from Formula 1 about the plans for its 2021 rules revolution - specifically the return of ground effect aerodynamics. The approach developed by Lotus towards the end of the 1970s proved so effective that it was banned after just a few years on safety grounds. Chain Bear explains how the concept works, why it was so dangerous in the past, and how its reintroduction will be managed differently to prevent a repeat of the frightening breed of cars that were produced last time around
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  • @cloverhal2284
    @cloverhal2284 4 роки тому +2175

    This has to be the most excited I’ve been for future regulations

    • @Pilsnor
      @Pilsnor 4 роки тому +56

      CloverHAL i agree but as always with new regultions im sure it will make its own challenges, it is always hard to predict (even for engeneers) how it is going to perform in races. I almost can’t wait to see it in action 🏁

    • @Parkie355
      @Parkie355 4 роки тому +26

      Same. Just hope teams don’t interfere too much and the regs get too watered down. Does anyone know what’s happening with the engine regs aswell?

    • @JS-ob2xt
      @JS-ob2xt 4 роки тому +8

      As I am but I'm scared the FIA will find a way to ruin it

    • @JakubValovic
      @JakubValovic 4 роки тому +9

      @@Parkie355 & @Starscream_xxx Also, they should be able to rev engines higher by 3-4k

    • @Maky313
      @Maky313 4 роки тому

      Same! : )

  • @Joshsartvideos
    @Joshsartvideos 4 роки тому +2765

    who called it ground effect and not "downfloorce"?

    • @galis4383
      @galis4383 4 роки тому +75

      No shitty puns, get out

    • @IchiroSakamoto
      @IchiroSakamoto 4 роки тому +160

      Galis why so mad?

    • @tjgriffiths6856
      @tjgriffiths6856 4 роки тому +18

      Josh Philpott I rate this 👍🏻

    • @joshtiel2980
      @joshtiel2980 4 роки тому +30

      I approve of what you have done here 👏👏😂

    • @TRBNTR98
      @TRBNTR98 4 роки тому +35

      You heard chainbear mispronounce it in the video, we get it.

  • @JagoBridgland
    @JagoBridgland 4 роки тому +1029

    i'm no aerodynamicist but this video was so well explained i kept thinking "oh okay that makes sense"

    • @Moonlakes
      @Moonlakes 4 роки тому +7

      lol thats actually pretty basic stuff, the hard part was getting the idea

    • @alasdairduncan3
      @alasdairduncan3 4 роки тому +20

      @@Moonlakes The hard part is making it work in real world conditions (with corners, gusts, turbulent air) rather than just in laminar flow in a wind tunnel.

    • @Moonlakes
      @Moonlakes 4 роки тому

      @@alasdairduncan3 no we were just talking about the theoretical part, not the practical, but besides of that you are right.

    • @jamielonsdale3018
      @jamielonsdale3018 3 роки тому

      Sadly, with F1 being so complicated, that probably just means we didn't actually understand anything they were saying. I think the only thing more complex than F1 at this point is quantum mechanics. That is actually the field that made famous the expression 'If you think you finally understand it, you haven't understood anything.'

    • @celsohernandez9655
      @celsohernandez9655 2 роки тому

      @@jamielonsdale3018 Well as an airline pilot I find these concepts very basic, mostly because we had to study them in performance and principles of flight back in the day. But you have a point, most people dont have the chance to learn about it. Stay strong 💪

  • @erikkz
    @erikkz 4 роки тому +1426

    Hail to the mighty Chain Bear!

    • @davyvanderschoot6406
      @davyvanderschoot6406 4 роки тому +17

      He's a legend

    • @skrlaviolette
      @skrlaviolette 4 роки тому +6

      I heard a lot about the 2021 rule changes, but till know I didn't know, that unsprung aero will become partially allowed o0

  • @AtrolinK
    @AtrolinK 4 роки тому +535

    Things to do before dying:
    - travel the world
    - play bannerlord
    - watch 2021 cars running

    • @jerrysmith3017
      @jerrysmith3017 4 роки тому +6

      Hadn't heard about Bannerlord, until I read your comment. Guess I'm adding Bannerlord to my Bucket List Too!

    • @azharfikri8446
      @azharfikri8446 4 роки тому +14

      Hope you keep healthy until 2021 and beyond, my friend..

    • @samualfartinson7437
      @samualfartinson7437 4 роки тому +3

      One of those has gotten ticked off

    • @somerandomdudeable
      @somerandomdudeable 4 роки тому +17

      You'll have to wait till 2022, sorry bud

    • @Volan21
      @Volan21 4 роки тому +1

      How can you sad react a YT commentw? We´re gonna have to wait another year

  • @daaknait
    @daaknait 4 роки тому +423

    Getting rid of DRS and the ridicilous wing structures? Sounds plenty good.

    • @gabor6259
      @gabor6259 4 роки тому +51

      Ridiculous? Complicated wings looked better imo.

    • @alexeimscruz2893
      @alexeimscruz2893 4 роки тому +15

      and also those hideous nose cones

    • @WideAwakeViking
      @WideAwakeViking 4 роки тому +10

      In addition, I'd bring back the late 1970's / early 1980's side pod shapes for added safety and better aesthetics / more bilboard space for sponsors, and go back to low noses.

    • @alohatigers1199
      @alohatigers1199 3 роки тому +1

      Is that gonna improve anything?

    • @boltmix7294
      @boltmix7294 3 роки тому +4

      @@alohatigers1199 Did you watch the video?
      Everything will be improved

  • @ludvigthebirb7131
    @ludvigthebirb7131 4 роки тому +78

    i know its old news but just how cool is it, that we have an independent youtuber working with a massive outlet like Autosport?

    • @ivanrodriguez956
      @ivanrodriguez956 4 роки тому +8

      Honestly happy for them, but to me is a bit annoying, I subbed to ChainBear and not to Autosport because I don't like Autosport videos (just preference, not bashing anyone), the thing is, I still don't want to sub to Autosport because I'm not interested in the bast majority of their videos, but I do like the ones from Chainbear... so basically I check manually, which is annoying AF, I wish they collaborated with him in his own channel.

    • @carmillawoo6505
      @carmillawoo6505 4 роки тому +3

      @@ivanrodriguez956 Chainbear usually links his Autosport contributed videos in his videos talking on similar subject, just gotta keep watching to the end-cards :)

  • @oscarshen6855
    @oscarshen6855 4 роки тому +523

    I'm pretty sure the somes teams with find a way to by-pass these proposals and come up with something totally different.

    • @brends4less661
      @brends4less661 4 роки тому +206

      And boy can't I wait for that

    • @mrid5850
      @mrid5850 4 роки тому +199

      That's why they are proposals, the FIA have gathered a team of rule busters specifically employed to find loopholes, in order to eliminate those loopholes. Though I do hope F1 will retain some engeneering freedom and will not slowly turn into a stock series.

    • @F1ll1nTh3Blanks
      @F1ll1nTh3Blanks 4 роки тому +35

      @@mrid5850 Agreed. I like the idea of close racing but not at the expense of spec. Why they don't just free it up but add suspension and aero body contingencies, it's beyond me.
      Good luck to the teams looking for a work around here.

    • @Formula1Madx
      @Formula1Madx 4 роки тому +7

      @@mrid5850 They are trying to plughole the loophole

    • @shawnwalsh2060
      @shawnwalsh2060 4 роки тому +6

      That's kind of the point of F1 man

  • @cheesyriceo4
    @cheesyriceo4 4 роки тому +135

    Adrian Newey must be getting excited about F1 again. Max would be smart to stay at Red Bull

    • @YASEEN_ZA
      @YASEEN_ZA 4 роки тому +5

      Well the Mercs chassis is better than the Redbulls atm

    • @cheesyriceo4
      @cheesyriceo4 4 роки тому +4

      @@YASEEN_ZA is it? Has Honda already surpassed Ferrari and matched Merc power? Idk thats the truth but I ignorantly doubt it

    • @mitchell-wallisforce7859
      @mitchell-wallisforce7859 4 роки тому +18

      @@YASEEN_ZA That is just flat out wrong. RB have by far the better chassis. Mercedes just did a good job with the aero. Bad Chassis + Good Aero = Horrific Tire Wear (chassis ain't up to scratch so aero picks up slack, putting more stress on the tires). And that, my friend, is why Ferrari and Red Bull aren't dealing with the same tire issues Merc is.

    • @Pyro978
      @Pyro978 4 роки тому +19

      @@YASEEN_ZA Mercedes never has the best chassis. They have the best and most reliable power unit in the hybrid era. RBR probably always has the best chassis. They make every power unit look competitive. But if I were Max, I would stay put at RBR

    • @NathanMandjes
      @NathanMandjes 4 роки тому +1

      You can turn that around: Max needs to go where Newey is going!

  • @jackmorby6001
    @jackmorby6001 2 роки тому +9

    Your diagrams, images and animations are very explanatory. By using gifs, your commentary is made more effective, so a novice viewer can easily understand physics that, for a non-driver, may be hard to understand.
    This has greatly increased my understanding of F1, and the changes in 2022 that I did not 100% understand, but now have a better grasp.
    Thank you very much for making this video. I look forward to watching more of your content.

  • @clocktimezone1864
    @clocktimezone1864 4 роки тому +310

    The last time I was this early Hamilton and Bottas were still 1-2 in Hockenheim

    • @Snaakie83
      @Snaakie83 4 роки тому +13

      Yeah, I've seen this joke at least four times now.
      Seems like originality isn't relevant anymore. Therefore haha.

    • @Rak0705
      @Rak0705 4 роки тому +4

      turn 16: hold my beer

    • @rickyrickalvous2982
      @rickyrickalvous2982 4 роки тому

      Nice

    • @rocklobster3333
      @rocklobster3333 4 роки тому +8

      I was at Hockenheim and wanted to look down the main straight, sadly the only seats left were looking at turn 15 and 16.

    • @benjamin7114
      @benjamin7114 4 роки тому

      Not anymore , but Mercedes are still 1-1 in driver and constructor standings ;)

  • @MonoMan1
    @MonoMan1 4 роки тому +55

    Did he just say "downfloorce" at 2:00?
    10/10 pun if so.

  • @TMJ32
    @TMJ32 4 роки тому +29

    OK Autosport, don't ever upload another technical video unless Chain Bear does it.

  • @avandee3878
    @avandee3878 4 роки тому +35

    This is exactly what is needed for better racing.

    • @andrewharper4296
      @andrewharper4296 4 роки тому +4

      Agreed, Indycar have had a form of this aero for years and it does mean overtaking on even the most tricky of circuits is possible. Ok, yes they are more of a spec formula but the cars can follow closer together and that's the end goal of these new rules :)

  • @ehsansatti5526
    @ehsansatti5526 4 роки тому +187

    Finally, "Autosport" has hired a "real analysist".

    • @Bahamuttiamat
      @Bahamuttiamat 4 роки тому +2

      JBL is uselss.

    • @zNoah
      @zNoah 4 роки тому +1

      "Hired", it's just an temporal contract.

    • @taz9609
      @taz9609 4 роки тому +1

      amen to that!!!

    • @nes2293
      @nes2293 3 роки тому

      Watch ChainBear’s UA-cam channel. I think it’s his voice here!

  • @broadytaylor9493
    @broadytaylor9493 4 роки тому +142

    The team that gets the ground effect right will win the 2021 championship

    • @damionlee7658
      @damionlee7658 4 роки тому +23

      This could be what Williams need to get themselves back up the other end of the grid for a few years.

    • @F-thirteen
      @F-thirteen 4 роки тому +15

      I have no doubt that teams would find an aero exploit that would generate just as much dirty air today

    • @gigasigma8373
      @gigasigma8373 4 роки тому +29

      i dont think mercedes will win the 2021 championship the real challengers can be 1. Ferrari (of course they have been in f1 the longest so they have some experience on ground effect.) 2. RedBull (they have the best aerodynamicist and thats adrian newway) 3. mclaren maybe can bounce back who knows (they too are like ferrari a long standing team that has some experience) 5. williams why not (like ferrari and mclaren they have experience in this department being a long experienced team with these things). Mercedes will struggle but they can catch up because those mfers will always cheat

    • @f.o.8547
      @f.o.8547 4 роки тому +25

      @@gigasigma8373 did u just skip 4?

    • @shiniselune399
      @shiniselune399 4 роки тому +3

      @@f.o.8547 Who needs a 4 anyway...

  • @tonytaylor
    @tonytaylor 4 роки тому +115

    So aero attached to the uprights and moving with them , somewhere Colin Chapman is having the last laugh... 1.5 chassis F1

    • @DapperHesher
      @DapperHesher 4 роки тому

      Chapman wasn't the first to do it, though. Early wings went onto uprights long before the 88, which was more a workaround of the skirt ban than an outright good idea.

    • @wingracer1614
      @wingracer1614 4 роки тому +7

      @@DapperHesher Yep. Jim Hall for one

    • @DapperHesher
      @DapperHesher 4 роки тому +1

      @@wingracer1614 Indeed, also a fan car before the BT46B. :-)

    • @mickoholland1
      @mickoholland1 4 роки тому

      @@wingracer1614 Did Jim Halls 2J have inner and outer bodies? I know it had a fan

    • @Dashriprock4
      @Dashriprock4 4 роки тому

      @@mickoholland1 no it did not

  • @patmaher9435
    @patmaher9435 4 роки тому +9

    These cars if they work as expected could be amazing and able to race closely for the first time in over 20 years

  • @benzflynn
    @benzflynn Рік тому +1

    2:47 I think you need to explain why speeding up the airflow leads to a drop in pressure.
    Non-technical people may feel it is not quite so intuitive to conclude this, I think.
    Simplistically people might think the "squeezing together" of the airflow would densify the air and make its pressure rise according to the p = rgh formula, where p is static pressure, r is the fluid density, g is the gravitational constant and h is the height of fluid above the pressure probe. (Weather presenters often quote this formula so it is known to many)
    Of course in fact air is not very compressible so the density won't change that much at the throat.
    The real reason for the pressure drop at the throat is the interplay between fluid pressure, speed and vertical level along a streamline. Bernoulli derived an equation for this: p/rg + sqr(v)/2g + z = constant. This implies that as the velocity of air increases along the same horizontal streamline, its (static) pressure decreases.

  • @mattharte7334
    @mattharte7334 4 роки тому +35

    Excellent video, thanks for clarifying ground effect.

  • @elevenocean4471
    @elevenocean4471 4 роки тому +19

    F1 should start working with you to explain these concepts to fans

  • @Tj930
    @Tj930 4 роки тому +5

    Love these "Chain Piola" / "Giorgio Bear" videos 😎👍

  • @richardcheatham9490
    @richardcheatham9490 4 роки тому

    The graphics, and careful explanations in this video make it a joy to take in. Said another way- I loved it. Well done over there.

  • @bendaniels1214
    @bendaniels1214 4 роки тому

    Extremely well put together and interesting video. Well done.

  • @Grooove_e
    @Grooove_e 4 роки тому +37

    Now we just pray that the FIA and F1 stand their ground against top teams who probably aren't keen on the idea of closer racing

    • @DeliriumTremensTWU
      @DeliriumTremensTWU 3 роки тому +3

      Ferrari has vetoed this comment.

    • @eavyeavy2864
      @eavyeavy2864 3 роки тому

      Never has been. I just watch cat weigh reduction vidro where top team ask opposition creativity to be banned

    • @comradetirer
      @comradetirer 3 роки тому

      On the other side aren’t top teams the ones who are most able to make this translation

  • @bobbyrandom5595
    @bobbyrandom5595 3 роки тому +9

    As a graduating ME student, I really appreciate the perfect balance in your explanations between technical info and simplicity. Gorgeous graphics and great pacing in all of your videos. Really enjoying all of your content. Thank you!

  • @solflare101
    @solflare101 4 роки тому

    Great video, very well researched and presents the info in such plain language. nice

  • @gianmariascremin7917
    @gianmariascremin7917 Рік тому

    Great video, the explanation was simple but not superficial, very nice

  • @ericfeldkamp3788
    @ericfeldkamp3788 2 роки тому +4

    That ground effect might be the thing that finally keeps drivers from abusing all the curbs.

  • @TheUmbrex
    @TheUmbrex 4 роки тому +12

    thank god it was chainbear explaining this

  • @biser1
    @biser1 Рік тому

    So well put together, great video to explain this

  • @Peter-Oxley-Modelling-Lab
    @Peter-Oxley-Modelling-Lab 4 роки тому +1

    Good summary and explanation. Thanks. 👍🏻

  • @apophisstr6719
    @apophisstr6719 4 роки тому +4

    The 2021 cars are gonna look fantastic with the sleeker and simplified bodywork designs.

  • @paolobramucci3609
    @paolobramucci3609 4 роки тому +4

    Good explanation of the new design rules. I look forward to seeing this implemented. Hopefully, it will work as expected and make passing less artificial and more the result of grip, power and driver skill in making the best of it and another driver’s errors. DRS tends to make passing another car more of forgone conclusion. While I understand why DRS was necessitated due to the over reliance of wings to create downforce, it always seem to be a very flawed bandaid solution to the problem.

  • @DavidHunter
    @DavidHunter 4 роки тому +1

    Great video. As a long time but casual fan (I don't take notice of tiny aero package upgrades and the like) this explained it really well. F1 has some amazing talent right now and of course there has been some fantastic racing lately, but 2021 regs seems like it will unlock "real racing" again. Rather than DRS passes we should have much closer wheel to wheel racing even through corners leading to passes in new places we might have seen far less of currently. Now we can watch drivers competing even more fiercely, and one mistake will compromise you more now than perhaps in the past because your competitor will be right on your tail at all times and not hanging back to keep the superior airflow, and then relying on DRS to close the gap.

  • @TheMrFishnDucks
    @TheMrFishnDucks 4 роки тому +1

    Fantastic video. Keep up the good work.

  • @noviceracer114
    @noviceracer114 4 роки тому +366

    FIA : Were bring back ground effect
    DRS : Am I a joke to you ?
    FIA : Yes , now jog on
    LMFAO

    • @damionlee7658
      @damionlee7658 4 роки тому +12

      FANS: Also yes. The sooner you're gone and replaced with a real solution, the sooner we can get back to more dramatic close racing and exciting overtaking at tracks that are currently processional ... Don't let the wheel gun hit you on the way out.

    • @damionlee7658
      @damionlee7658 4 роки тому +16

      @Star Saber that's a completely meaningless response you have there...
      DRS is objectively bad for the sport. It was always a stop gap measure which was only ever going to be around until the aero issue was resolved. It goes against a long tradition of the FIA's policy against active aero, and never really achieved what it set out to do anyway. Passing under DRS is rarely exciting.
      You can suggest I am being salty, you can suggest some "fanboi" take on the situation. Meanwhile, I will suggest if that really is the best comeback you could think of, perhaps you should sit down before you exert yourself ;)

    • @Dogman36
      @Dogman36 4 роки тому +3

      the FIA: here is literally a track corner designed for passing in which we hold your hand throught the process, also heres flappyboi we previously banned but now have total control of.
      fans and drivers: but we didnt ask for that specific banned thing to come back. that was more Can-Ams thing anyway.
      FIA 10 years later: hey we um finally got around to reading your suggestions. sorry bout that, here's the real banned item coming back

    • @thethirdman225
      @thethirdman225 4 роки тому +1

      Henry Callahan As far as I can recall, ground effect in Can Am never got beyond having two snowmobile motors on the back of the car. It was never a Venturi effect.

    • @leonardodeslf
      @leonardodeslf 4 роки тому

      Those are completely different things my friend...
      - GE makes use of the vacuum generated by the difference of pressure to "stick" the car to the floor.
      - DRS prevents the air flow to "hit" the tail and stop the car.
      Both can coexist without affecting each other.

  • @JoeGraham11
    @JoeGraham11 4 роки тому +9

    These videos are exceptionally good.

  • @tarmacterrorist.thepotato
    @tarmacterrorist.thepotato 3 роки тому

    Brilliant stuff, thankyou so much. Subbed!

  • @ianstewart5840
    @ianstewart5840 3 роки тому

    The animations on these videos are so painfully simple, yet extremely effective

  • @jamsbong
    @jamsbong 4 роки тому +35

    Chain bear just hinted that DRS could be eliminated!
    That will be awesome and history will remember current F1 as the dark days of artificially enhancing overtaking rules.

  • @Synystr7
    @Synystr7 4 роки тому +18

    F1 2021 is gonna be like mid to late 90s champ cars with those floors.
    This is gonna be sick

    • @Zestyclose-Big3127
      @Zestyclose-Big3127 4 роки тому

      inb4 we get a "Monaco Racing League"

    • @mitchell-wallisforce7859
      @mitchell-wallisforce7859 4 роки тому +1

      Now all we need is a non-championship oval race to see if we can go all the way with ths CART thing. That drawing, for one, makes me very excited.

    • @recipoldinasty
      @recipoldinasty 3 роки тому

      Mitchell-Wallis Force ovala are trash lol

  • @CamelSmokes23
    @CamelSmokes23 3 роки тому

    Great video, well thought out. This looks promising!

  • @redracerbooks9661
    @redracerbooks9661 2 роки тому

    Really great explanation of ground effects! Love it!

  • @blackflagqwerty
    @blackflagqwerty 4 роки тому +229

    I'm putting my money on RedBull for 2020.

    • @prozoomy3588
      @prozoomy3588 4 роки тому +19

      max shall lead us to victory ☺

    • @Formula1Madx
      @Formula1Madx 4 роки тому +45

      2021 maybe, not 2020.

    • @psquared518
      @psquared518 4 роки тому +24

      I think people are starting to underestimate how good those merc cars are on a good day. They have only had two bad races this year and DOMINATED everything else. Red Bull and Ferrari aren’t as close as it seems.

    • @pineappleracing6547
      @pineappleracing6547 4 роки тому +3

      @@psquared518 same was true for Redbull 2010-13 and Ferrari Scumacher Era but now they are nowhere near that.

    • @TestarossaF110
      @TestarossaF110 4 роки тому +4

      if they can keep newey and honda going like theyre now 2021 will be a great season hopefully 2020 will still be fun with most teams looking further ahead.

  • @shadowwsk3507
    @shadowwsk3507 4 роки тому +146

    They say the car will only lost 5%of downforce
    That is too ambitious

    • @jamalthasim9041
      @jamalthasim9041 4 роки тому +4

      i swr they said 20%

    • @F1ll1nTh3Blanks
      @F1ll1nTh3Blanks 4 роки тому

      @@jamalthasim9041 🤣

    • @PragmaticAntithesis
      @PragmaticAntithesis 4 роки тому +31

      @@jamalthasim9041 20% was the intention for 2019.

    • @xander1052
      @xander1052 4 роки тому +54

      its better to be over ambitious and fall short than go for an easy goal. Why the hell would you complain about Ross Brawn trying to make the regulations be as good as they can possibly be for racing.

    • @brzy1188
      @brzy1188 4 роки тому +14

      @@xander1052 This. Even if he fails miserably and they lose like 200% more downforce than is targeted.. so roughly 15% loss opposed to targeted 5% it is still a massive improvement on the current 45%, I just hope sufficient testing is done before they remove DRS (which I actually don't like btw as it's artificial but until this is proven to work I would be careful to just dump it in case it negates the improvements)

  • @HappYinc
    @HappYinc 4 роки тому +1

    i've seen the term before but never really knew what it meant, thanks for the video ^^

  • @jeremyknight8569
    @jeremyknight8569 4 роки тому

    Great video. I wish that you had acknowledged the fans that may teams were using to create suction under the body of the car. You even had an image of a red car with the fan on the back. That is a big part of the downforce ideas from back in the day. also part of why they had the big block off plates on the sides of the car. It wasn't just the venturi effect but an actual vacuum created by the fans. The image of the car with the vacuum fan is at 3:55 for those who want to see it and understand what they were doing back then.

  • @FRailFan
    @FRailFan 4 роки тому +7

    Just remember Villeneuve vs Arnoux 1979 French Grand Prix. That's the type of racing ground effects can cause.

    • @jamesstewart1794
      @jamesstewart1794 4 роки тому +1

      I would not assume anything this early on.

    • @patrickcannady2066
      @patrickcannady2066 4 роки тому +1

      that's the goal...that would make F1 very watchable again for certain.

    • @FRailFan
      @FRailFan 4 роки тому

      @@jamesstewart1794 I mean there was damn good racing throughout the entire ground effects era.

  • @ryanlee315
    @ryanlee315 4 роки тому +15

    No more vortices flying off rear wings? Those look so good on tv

    • @12th.jahlil
      @12th.jahlil 4 роки тому

      Not as good as the battles that are about to happen

    • @ScottKenny1978
      @ScottKenny1978 4 роки тому

      Those will still be there, just a lot smaller. Wingtip vortex size is related to both the wing size and the amount of lift/downforce being generated.

  • @gregahunt
    @gregahunt 3 роки тому

    incredible job explaining this! high marks

  • @egj1975
    @egj1975 4 роки тому

    From now on... let Chain Bear do everything. This was awesome !!

  • @baldygrey2779
    @baldygrey2779 4 роки тому +4

    I'm excited for it.
    "Make F1 competitive and entertaining again."

  • @Miguel-ch5ld
    @Miguel-ch5ld 4 роки тому +5

    Thanks for this😁 I just hope the proposed changes actually work the way they're expected. Close racing is what we want😁. Also, is there any news on the engine regulations to be used for 2021?

    • @dylanbolton5208
      @dylanbolton5208 4 роки тому +1

      Miguel Enriquez no expected change sadly so still 1.6L V6 hybrids

    • @oharryc
      @oharryc 4 роки тому +4

      They will remove some of the electronic parts of the engine and open the turbo wastegates so you can hear the turbo + bumping the max rpm up by 3000 rpm which will make it sound better

    • @F1ll1nTh3Blanks
      @F1ll1nTh3Blanks 4 роки тому +1

      Power-train remains the same except with EOT standardised gearbox.

    • @F1ll1nTh3Blanks
      @F1ll1nTh3Blanks 4 роки тому +1

      @@oharryc Pretty sure that's been done.. 🤔

    • @kraftwels
      @kraftwels 4 роки тому

      The mgu h will be gone and the single turbo will be swapped for a biturbo

  • @samhitchcock3560
    @samhitchcock3560 4 роки тому

    What a fantastic explanation! Thanks so much!

  • @bayareadoogie5372
    @bayareadoogie5372 3 роки тому +2

    This is such good stuff. Thank you so much for doing this. I guess time will tell whether or not these new changes create better racing. There have been many changes over the years in an attempt to curb one team's dominance over others. Nevertheless! F1 engineering's evolution is so much fun to watch. Why would anyone hate this sport? WTF is wrong with people?

  • @KompletterGeist
    @KompletterGeist 4 роки тому +6

    I hate how the ground effect term is thrown around with ignorance in forums and on csome yt channels
    Ground effect is not banned...because diffusers are still legal and the floor still produces over 50% of the cars downforce. What IS banned are sealing devices such as sliding skirts which would drastically increase the amount of downforce from the diffuser

    • @DapperHesher
      @DapperHesher 4 роки тому

      This is true... sorta... it wasn't so much the banning of skirts, but the mandatory flat bottom regs. The cars right now, and since flat bottom sections were mandated, are very much still using ground effect to create downforce... heck, the underside of the front wing is working in ground effect on it own and isn't part of the floor.

  • @Akira-sn8yy
    @Akira-sn8yy 4 роки тому +6

    Guys I really hate that plate cover on the rims. Hope that they will not include in the regulation.

    • @nicoofthenight8403
      @nicoofthenight8403 4 роки тому

      Maybe some cars will have it, brawn had them but I think brawn had them right

  • @Fidodo
    @Fidodo 2 роки тому

    I watched like a half dozen videos on this and this video was by far the clearest and most detailed. Most other videos didn't even explain why the new ground effect was safer. Thanks for this!

  • @cadflo
    @cadflo 3 роки тому

    I'm so obsessed with ground effect, I've watched this video more times I can admit. Great vid.

  • @Vriheddd
    @Vriheddd 4 роки тому +3

    We need Lotus back in F1

  • @egsmachine
    @egsmachine 4 роки тому +3

    while closer racing is the objective, it never seems to either last, or be truly realized as two or three teams run away from the field.

    • @zarategabe
      @zarategabe 4 роки тому

      That is why the FIA will eventually have to enforce budget caps so that it's not just the richest teams building the best cars year-in-year-out.....

    • @Starfire_Storm
      @Starfire_Storm 4 роки тому

      Early 2010's was the closest we got to actual close racing, but Red Bull got away. F1 will always have 2 or 3 teams at the top, it always had and always will.

    • @patrickcannady2066
      @patrickcannady2066 4 роки тому

      @@Starfire_Storm As long as it isn't just ONE team running away with things, I'll keep watching. The sport needs a competitive top tier of 3 or 4 teams, otherwise it's just a 200mph procession...

  • @RolePlayingGamer92
    @RolePlayingGamer92 2 роки тому +2

    Me watching this in 2022.. you basically predicted what the cars would look like with your drawing at the end of the video, great job 😄👍

  • @wiryantirta
    @wiryantirta 4 роки тому

    Diffuser skirts attached to the suspension arm / brake duct structures is the kind of exotic yet philosophically simple(?) space magic F1 needs. Watching the slow motion shots of of these things plowing through kerbs is the kind of thing that would make us racing fans moist.

  • @kierenboimufc5940
    @kierenboimufc5940 4 роки тому +3

    It’s all about the WEC and Le Mans 2021 with the hyper car category. the Aston Martin Valkyrie and its 6.5l v12 it’s going to be mental

  • @eamonahern7495
    @eamonahern7495 4 роки тому +3

    Ah! So that's how they're going to do it without the track damaging skirts

  • @praveentitus7193
    @praveentitus7193 4 роки тому

    That really was so informative - well done Chain Bear! I really can't wait for 2021. In fact, I've always wanted ground effect to return in some form or other. It's also exciting in WEC with the Hypercars coming in. 2021 could be the year we all remember as the year of the motorsport revolution.

  • @dylansmit3883
    @dylansmit3883 4 роки тому

    Another problem with the oldschool ground effect cars was the suspension. That was made rock hard to keep the car level and maintain the area of low pressure. As a result the cars were extremely uncomfortable to drive. Colin Chapman tried to solve this with the dual chassis Lotus 88, but the FIA was having none of it. Nice to see the lessons learned from that car are being implemented now though.

  • @clarencedelacruz7822
    @clarencedelacruz7822 4 роки тому +10

    If Ross Brawn’s study of bringing back refueling for 2021 is approved, we might see smaller cars like those back in the early 2000’s

    • @riccardozanetti2893
      @riccardozanetti2893 4 роки тому +1

      Not really. The reason why modern f1 cars are so big is because they have to accommodate a longer wheel base (which allows greater stability at higher speed). Refueling will make little to no differences to the cars' size

    • @opalblue2232
      @opalblue2232 4 роки тому +2

      @@riccardozanetti2893 it does effect the car size, even it doesn't do much. They have to increase the back part of the car to compensate a larger fuel tank. But I agree with the longer wheelbase thing, the front part of the car is way too long, especially the front wing. They also should decrease the size of the tires to make the car narrower.

    • @s.d.h.3t981
      @s.d.h.3t981 4 роки тому

      @@opalblue2232 no

  • @RossMacfarlane25
    @RossMacfarlane25 4 роки тому +10

    I'm feeling for the sofa team, CB runs rings around them...

  • @squidcaps4308
    @squidcaps4308 4 роки тому

    DRS is planned as a possible workaround; it has been incorporated in the design but not "activated". The place where to put the mechanism is thought of and the overall "default" wing design is easy to change to have a DRS. So it might make a sudden return between seasons. Pretty much everything i've seen from the new rules has been great.

  • @Lost_01
    @Lost_01 4 роки тому +2

    I would really enjoy a video discussing the difference between Towing and this lack of downside caused by turbulent air. Every time I hear somebody talk about a lack of downforce in a trailing car I just keep thinking isn't that something we want so that you can pass on a straight? I mean that's the whole idea of slipstream right? Or is this turbulent air different than slipstream?

  • @pork_cake
    @pork_cake 4 роки тому +9

    I shall attempt to contain my excitement with cynical sarcasm:
    I for one welcome our new fully-unsprung "really freaking stressed out member" monocoques.

  • @user-no6gy9sd3f
    @user-no6gy9sd3f 4 роки тому +5

    The main question is whether pirelli can produce a tyre that's work properly

    • @aldee7533
      @aldee7533 4 роки тому +1

      I think you have the equation perfectly backward.
      It's up to team engineering to exploit the given tire.
      If the tire manufacturer is tasked with matching the tire to the car, the tire will only match ONE design and that's not a good situation

    • @florianreinhardt4689
      @florianreinhardt4689 4 роки тому +3

      Pirelli produces tire EXACTLY how the FIA wants them. It's just that FIA asked for bullshit tyres.

  • @virtual_GaRy
    @virtual_GaRy 4 роки тому +1

    Engineer here, taking away the end plates on the rear wing actually increase the amount of vortices induced as the high and low pressure areas will have less of a barrier between. It is the removal of slot gaps in the end plates that will reduce vortex generation.

    • @Meltorizor
      @Meltorizor 2 роки тому

      Also engineer here, but electrical engineering so I only know so much about aerodynamcs. :D
      Maybe I'm a bit dull but can you please explain why exactly the Venturi effect is working here? I mean sure the low pressure area sucks the car to the ground, but respectively the high pressure areas push the car up, or don't they? To me it seems that if the suction force is bigger than the pushing force, it violates the energy conservation law. Assuming the volumetric and mass flow rate in front and at the end of the car is the same, then suction force and pushing force should cancel each other out. What am I missing?

    • @virtual_GaRy
      @virtual_GaRy 2 роки тому +1

      @@Meltorizor That is actually a very good question. The notion that pressure and suction cancel out is very logical, and it is actually true in inviscid flows. There is no drag or lift in (theoretical) inviscid flows.
      In real flows however, lift is a product of the bound circulation of flow inside a wing. the circulation comes from integrating the friction components of air passing with different speeds on both sides of the object (wing, diffusor+body,..). So by having a speed difference we always induce a circulation over the body and a counterrotating one aft of the lifting surface (sometimes visible as a shedded vortex or von Karman straight). Where the edges of the lifting surface are we get tip vortices and tip vortex sheets, connecting the bound and the shedded circulation, according to Helmholtz' second theorem.
      The details of the flow are complicated, but in a venturi diffusor system, the are of cross section contraction is connected to the freestream through a large cross section, which means that ambient pressure dominates the pressure field before the flow is accelerated enough to be of reduced pressure. The better optimised the flow constraint and expansion, the closer the ends of the tunnel will be to pure ambient pressure, with less influence of the stagnation component of the pressure, and the lower your suction pressures will go. Also, looking at CFD results of venturi underfloors, there is a distinct suction peak just aft of where maxmium restriction occurs and parasitic drag reduces the energy of the flow and its relative speed to the object its passing. so an underfloor has its centre of pressure a bit forward of its centroid.
      It is a complicated topic and not so easy to explain with diagrams, but I hope you can use your engineering curiosity and my initial answer to find the right explanation for you :)

    • @Meltorizor
      @Meltorizor 2 роки тому

      ​@@virtual_GaRy Thanks for your answer. As it's working for real I already imagined that it must have to do with atmospheric pressure and that air is compressable. It's not a a closed system so to say. Saying "high pressure" in this video is kinda misleading. Gotta look at the Bernoulli equations again.
      Best regards

  • @Shaun.Stephens
    @Shaun.Stephens 4 роки тому

    I waited 12 days for this to be on Chain Bear's channel but I guess I'll have to watch it here now.

  • @Sangamkr
    @Sangamkr 4 роки тому +60

    we need grid girls back from 2021

    • @Julien2395
      @Julien2395 4 роки тому +12

      That ain't gonna improve racing much is it

    • @TheGoQu
      @TheGoQu 4 роки тому +1

      You are not wrong

    • @petertr2000
      @petertr2000 4 роки тому +10

      If you want to look at pretty girls, go to google, and type "pretty girls". Sorted.

    • @MOOVIEbySEBBI
      @MOOVIEbySEBBI 4 роки тому +11

      Anyone missing grid girls is either a 13 year old hormone buzzing prepubescent child, or a virgin 30 yo manchild. They brought literally nothing to the sport, other than being a sign of the "good-ol' 70's" where slapping a girl in her butt was considered a gentle, flirty move

    • @rickyrickalvous2982
      @rickyrickalvous2982 4 роки тому +2

      @@MOOVIEbySEBBI I love seeing grid girls, what am I?

  • @dink7458
    @dink7458 4 роки тому +3

    2:00 ...generate downFLOORce

  • @iCubeGamez
    @iCubeGamez 4 роки тому

    I know nothing about physics and I was still able to understand all of this. Incredible explanation, thank you!

  • @mitevm
    @mitevm 2 роки тому

    This needs reupload. It is so much more relevant now. Thanks!

  • @BaranovPeter
    @BaranovPeter 4 роки тому +3

    Why can't they just make a rule stating that a trailing car of predetermined design must be able to generate a set amount of downforce?
    That way it's up to the car manufacturers to fix the dirty air problem.

  • @Bongoslam
    @Bongoslam 4 роки тому +4

    Gotta stay away from them kerbs then

  • @abhijeetsutar5259
    @abhijeetsutar5259 4 роки тому

    Great video mate

  • @hfislwpa
    @hfislwpa 4 роки тому

    Chain bear videos are the best this channel has!

  • @TheUsmc0802
    @TheUsmc0802 4 роки тому +4

    Sooooo, F1 just copied the current Indycar. Which is fine by me because they look great and the racing is phenomenal.

    • @socketuspuppetus1216
      @socketuspuppetus1216 4 роки тому +3

      If Indycars have ground-effect, F1 show them how it done properly. Everything F1 does is on steroids.

    • @TheUsmc0802
      @TheUsmc0802 4 роки тому +1

      @@socketuspuppetus1216 ummmmm, Indycar does have ground effects. The DW12 has a floor that has been nearly copied 1/1 by F1. Same for the wings

    • @Chuckiele
      @Chuckiele 4 роки тому

      @@socketuspuppetus1216 Yeah the new aero kit since 2018 moved most of the downforce away from the wings and into the floor work. I guess F1 wanted to try ground effect again for a long time but wasnt sure if it was safe and now theyve seen Indycars get it to work again?

  • @marshyyboyy
    @marshyyboyy 4 роки тому +4

    All of todays F1 cars currently use ground effect.

    • @marshyyboyy
      @marshyyboyy 4 роки тому

      @Starscream_xxx yes they do. Sincerely, F1 Aerodynamicist.

    • @hoen2009
      @hoen2009 4 роки тому

      @@marshyyboyy good joke

    • @marshyyboyy
      @marshyyboyy 4 роки тому

      You clearly don't understand aerodynamics then. The front wing, underfloor and diffuser All operate in ground effect and motorsport diffusers don't work without ground effect. You should do your research

    • @lukasharmon4965
      @lukasharmon4965 3 роки тому

      how does it work?

  • @Shmeegsify
    @Shmeegsify 4 роки тому

    wow an explanation of the venturi effect that actually explained how it works. Thank you i finally understand it.

  • @johnmorgan1629
    @johnmorgan1629 4 роки тому

    I remember the downforce days, don't remember seeing it at the time, but when they first introduced it had mechanics covering wings on cars to distract from real reason for corner speeds. Later there was the huge fan fitted to another car, to increase pressure differential under the car, which was like following turbo charged road gritter.
    But as you alluded to, safety wasn't as great a concern in those days, crashes could quickly turn fatal. But the new rules hopefully will reinvigorate the sport, while being safer for the drivers.

  • @DaniMacYo
    @DaniMacYo 4 роки тому +4

    This is all in theory. F1 has a great reputation of hyping us up and then the teams find loopholes and someone will dominate and we are left with the midfield fighting close while one or two teams are winning. We’ll have to wait and see. Seems interesting though. I do look forward to seeing the teams interpretations of these new regulations.

  • @gn0015
    @gn0015 4 роки тому +4

    Ed Straw: We must not look at the past to solve the problems that we have now.

    • @thethirdman225
      @thethirdman225 4 роки тому

      They’re not. They’re looking at the difference between F1 and Indy.

  • @strokeracer
    @strokeracer 4 роки тому

    Great video Chain Bear! CAn I ask whatsoftware do you use for your animations?

  • @carreraveyron
    @carreraveyron 4 роки тому

    great video, as always

  • @MaximumBooger
    @MaximumBooger 4 роки тому +3

    And Indycar says, "You're welcome."

    • @joshtiel2980
      @joshtiel2980 4 роки тому

      Mark York and Disney says “copyright” 😂

    • @dez8685
      @dez8685 4 роки тому

      If it was a case of designing a spec chassis that everyone had to adhere to, that would have been done a long time ago. The problem in F1 is anticipating where the development gets out of hand and creates turbulence. You don't worry about that in Indycar or SuperFormula.

  • @juleshairston7115
    @juleshairston7115 4 роки тому +7

    F1 taking a page out of Indy Car's book.

    • @colintawn3535
      @colintawn3535 4 роки тому +4

      @Jules Hairston
      I don't know what you're taking with your coffee but Lotus pioneered ground effect a long time before Indy car.
      Google is your friend :-)

    • @MomentousGaming
      @MomentousGaming 4 роки тому +3

      @@colintawn3535 Poor Lotus, do something innovative and watch the FIA ban it for 50 years.

  • @quarterlifethings
    @quarterlifethings 4 роки тому +1

    Another great content, Chainbear! It makes me excited more about the 2021 season!

  • @MikeGomeztheDMG
    @MikeGomeztheDMG 4 роки тому +1

    Great stuff. Also, I just found out about Giorgio Piola... Sweet!

    • @saltalgilmour9745
      @saltalgilmour9745 4 роки тому

      Giorgio Piola has been around doing tech design for many many years mate

  • @nastystew6942
    @nastystew6942 4 роки тому +7

    So now redbull will dominate again!

  • @rafeekgabier6603
    @rafeekgabier6603 4 роки тому +14

    No wheel covers please !!! 😳😳

    • @rafeekgabier6603
      @rafeekgabier6603 4 роки тому +3

      @@WinWall3227 True! True!

    • @F1ll1nTh3Blanks
      @F1ll1nTh3Blanks 4 роки тому

      @@WinWall3227 The 2021 changes do have some form of wing cover but it's more effective to just cover it up altogether, according to Redbull.

    • @s.d.h.3t981
      @s.d.h.3t981 4 роки тому +1

      @@WinWall3227 idc the car looks ugly

    • @rafeekgabier6603
      @rafeekgabier6603 4 роки тому

      @@s.d.h.3t981 thats the picture i had in mind..that it will look bull,but im sure they will figure it out

  • @buckrogers5331
    @buckrogers5331 Рік тому

    Very well explained, thanks!

  • @PHX787
    @PHX787 4 роки тому

    I love Chain Bear. Guy makes the best racing knowledge videos.