I bought a 2022 YZ25FX last winter, and was going to do so regardless of limelight success; but let me tell you, seeing Christian Craig's and Eli Tomac's success in Supercross and then the outdoors sure reassured my decision. Even knowing that my stock bike and their race bikes probably don't have much in common. Hydraulic clutch isn't much of a sale item for me, but e-start sure was. I love the way the clutch feels on my Yamaha.
Roczen had some influence on me buying my 2013 250sxf. Great bike. Rode it for 8 years no problems! KTM just remodeled all their bikes and they were killing it. Fast, great handling and E-start! Got made fun of for E-start but I knew it was great! Now everyone has it and loves it. I remind them I had it before it was cool. That bike is still competitive today!
Tomac has said all year that he LOVES the cable clutch. So do I. I've had both. The point I wish they had talked about is japanese aluminum vs. austrian steel frames. Longevity and maintenance comparisons would have been fun too.
I think the reason for wanting a certain brand of bike is either because you developed a love for that brand or it’s because of your price range your willing to spend on a bike . Like I’m definitely a big Yamaha guy . I was born in 03 so I grew up watching chad race and my dad even now is still a big fan of chad . My dad and chad are the same age so he remembers the day chad came over to the us . My first bike was a ttr 50 when I was three because my parents never had the money to buy a pw. I learned to ride that dirt bike without training wheels before I even learned to ride a bicycle without training wheels. I had a ttr 125 lw from the age 12-16 and then Christmas in 2020 my youngest brother got a yz 65 , my middle brother got a yz 85 and I got a yz250f . It’s because of who I watched racing most of my life and because I grew up riding brand is the reason to why I like Yamaha so much .
I think that’s what Jase was saying. People more so pick their brand by what their favorite rider rides. Myself for example started riding in ‘03 on a KX65 and I wanted to ride Kawi because of James Stewart. And I also wanted my bike to look like a Pro Circuit bike lol. I also was a big fan of Villopoto during his era. Idk, I’ve just always been a Kawi guy and I chose that brand because of the riders and their style and I don’t think I’ll ever own a different brand
Not to mention the fact that when I was in the market for a new bike a kawi was the only one I could find locally. Closest yz250f was 600 miles away and ktm was 350 miles away. As a weekend warrior the choice was easy for me
And can you please stop saying like Out of context it’s every 3rd word does my fucking head in I have tried listening watching as he had Mick Doohan on I had to stop watching.
I have been a Kawasaki guy for a long time. Favorite Color is green so it makes it easy for me to want Kawasaki, but because of Deegan I would consider riding a Yamaha for my next bike.
Grew up riding only Hondas and still love Hondas to this day. After taking 10 years off of riding, I wanted bike that was reliable like a stock 450, less power than a 450, but faster than a 250. I know I could have bought a 2 stroke, but I wanted a 4 stroke for my first bike back. This left my only option being a 350, which limits me to one manufacturer with different color options. Overall, couldn’t be happier with my 2022 FC350. To have a very unfair comparison to 2005 CRF250, the FC is better in every category. Well almost, the white brothers exhaust on my modified 250 sounded better…..until your ears started ringing.
Dude, I'm literally in the same boat. Had an 05 Honda, love them, had a 13 CRF450, but at the end of the day, I wanted more power than a 250 and not as much as a 450. My 22 FC350 is the best bike I've ever ridden bar none. The forks are shit, but the weight, engine and agility make up for it. Japan needs to get with the 350 and fast.
I wouldn't say it's your only option at all. I thought the same thing, I have a 01 Honda CR125 and 01 drz 400e enduro and and saving to eventually get another mx bike but was thinking I needed a 350. The reality is where I live I can easily get a Pro Circuit Kawi 250F that would do just as well as a stock 350 for less money.
@@jpesicka999 I get what your saying, but for what I was wanting, the 350 was the only option for what I was looking for. I knew I wouldn’t be happy with a stock 250f with an exhaust. I find the 350 to be the perfect amount of power.
@@Jordz711 I haven’t rode anything newer than a 2005, so for me, the forks feel great for my level of riding. I found the air pressure that works for me and adjust compression and rebound as needed. I always wanted a KTM growing up, so buying one was pretty easy. Now, if there was a Honda 350, it would have made the decision significantly harder.
@@nshonda2237 yeah fair enough. They are harsh and reactive compared to spring forks. I've put 40hrs on my 350 since new and still haven't been able to get the settings dialled. If Honda made a 350, without a doubt, I'd have got one. In saying that, so happy with the Husky. It's a beautiful bike and no matter how good a 250 it was, it wouldn't be a 350.
im a Suzuki guy. i will never ride a bike past 90 percent of its ability. i have an rmx450 and rmz250 both new for trails and mx and their combined price is lower than what a 500exc goes for. That money saved means less dark clouds when riding, more money for more trips. No finance owing etc. Ill forgo 5kg and 5hp and electric start for that. Plus im not a maintenance freak and literally never had an issue with a Suzi.
KTM advertised weight is dry, Japanese use wet weight. 2023 KTM 450 dry weight is 226lbs add in fuel, oil and coolant you are at 240lbs. 2023 YZ450F is 240lbs wet. CRF450R 245lbs. KX450 243lbs. RM is the only piggy at 247lbs. KTM posts dry weight as marketing ploy to seem way lighter than they actually are. Still great bikes but to say Japanese weight 15lbs more is completely inaccurate.
Was working at a race shop an after i left quit...it became the factory KTM TEAM when they made their racing return to the USA nationals...they were not playing around ...all in was tje best term i could come up with....after finding out a little an going to a few races with the team an a supercross....it was the very beginning so i wouldnt be rude they were soul fully an totally committed to building a great bike not playing at all....which is very cool...looking back...
I remember when the AMA production rule came in 1986/87 that meant that they were not allowed to race works bikes anymore. They had to race bikes that were essentially what the public was buying from the dealerships and Honda decided that they would sell almost works bikes to everyone… the 1987 CR 250 was so fucking awesome straight from the crate! They cornered the market from that point onwards until the other manufacturers caught on to what Honda were doing a few years later!
@@endurotruckererniedesjardins I’ve said for a while now that Suzuki would hit a home run with an e-start 2 stroke XC bike. Their RM250 was a banger. Good motor, excellent handling chassis. Just modify 3rd through 5th. Add some flywheel weight, a headlight, and make the power a little tamer. Maybe make it a big bore 300 or have them come stock with a Lectron carb, and they’d sell a boatload! They’re gonna be a little cheaper than the other Japanese bikes. I don’t think they’d have to spend a lot on re-tooling equipment. Even the steel frame people probably wouldn’t care.
I think I can appreciate all bikes. These companies are hitting the mark, even vintage bikes are just rad. I don’t love the side of the sport that feels kind of elitist. Everyone seems to need a 450 and it gets a little bit like it’s own fashion show. Just ride, have fun.
This is very true. As motorcycle lovers, we are standing at the edge of an unknown future. Some states and countries are already starting to ban ALL gas powered vehicles. If they are going to strongarm the electric progress how will this affect us? I don't know. We need to forget the debates and arguments over brands and colors and features and support all motorcycle production. It is a good possibility we may be at the end of an era and the bikes as we have know and loved.
💯 bikes are like your kids, you love them all, but they have different characters and personalities. I love having a gamut of bikes. Big bores, high performance 4T, 2T and electric. They all have their pros, cons and situations where they’re best… and I love them all 🥰 And for the other replier… when my STARK comes though, half of my gas bikes will be on the chopping block. I love the petrol, but it’s mostly nostalgia. The Ebikes are crazy fun and honestly far more enjoyable to ride. The new sensory input makes you feel like a kid riding for the first time all over again. My gas bikes will just sit and rot. Might as well let someone else enjoy them.
End of the day it’s all personal preference. Basically this argument comes down to what kind of a frame feel you want because any pro buying a bike and a lot of weekend warriors will get work done on suspension anyways, and if not most people won’t complain about any set of forks on a bike tbh
The Japanese still offer dual sports that are almost unchanged for 30 years. They are quite conservative across the board, with all manner of off road / motocross / dual sports.
This is why were seeing the MX bikes divide into the standard line and the "premium" race version. Most people are fine with the standard version and would rather save the money since they're not to the level where all those premium parts will make a difference.
I agree with you. But at this point I think that yamaha wants both the yz250 and the yz125 to continue being "old school" bikes. Its cheaper for them and people still like it
After riding my KTM 525 I've never thought about another brand until recently. Which would be Yamaha, is that because they're winning, partly. But I also hear nothing but good things about them.
Totally different feel. Those old RFS 525 motors were more tractory like a fast XR. The new stuff is a lot more responsive and harder to ride. A new 500EXC all uncorked is a lot more like those old 525s than a new YZ450.
I know many guys that still choose the simpler kick start clutch cable low maintenance Japanese bikes because of the ease of maintenance and abuse they take over a long time has any Rider knows the old Honda XRS we're damn near bulletproof
@@Runk3lsmcdougal I’m aware of that.. but for most people when they pay 6k for forks it’s cuz they don’t like the setup they have currently.. and idk I can only speak for myself but on mine and all my buddies that run CVs we all went for the tried tested and true spring versions… I’ve rode so many set of air forks revalved by every suspension company I’ve ever heard of.. and just recently rode my buddies stock air forks just revalved and I couldn’t believe they were actually decent but for me nothing beats conventional springs for there versatility to work in different areas
Air fork is only 3-1/2 lbs. lighter. KTM shaves weight everywhere to get 10 lbs. lighter than everyone else. I think the 23 f450 actually gained 3 lbs.
Austrian bikes are generally lighter, not only because of the air forks (I personally think they are crap). And both of the cone valves spring forks are lighter than a single fork of the stock air suspension
I HAVE SEEN PEOPLE BUY BECAUSE OF COLOR, FAVORITE RIDER, AND GRAPHICS. VERY FEW LOOK INTO THE LOCAL DEALER THAT WILL SUPPORT THEM WITH PARTS/SERVICE AND OR THE BUILD QUALITY OF THE BRAND.
In my 43 years riding, I base my ALWAYS NEW bikes purchase on , 1st 2 stroke always 2nd yamaha yz250 because it's 4 grand cheaper then a ktm 250xc. 3rd what my dealer has in the shop ( only 1 dealer in a 100km radius , he sells ktm Yamaha and Suzuki) 4th seeing who's bike is breaking down and why when we're on the trail or track. 5th parts availability, yz parts are everywhere. 6th I'd love E start but I've been kicking it for 43 years so why stop now lol.. 7th I ride what I like, I don't care what you or the next guy likes, it's got wheels,,, let's ride 10-4 😎🤪 My advice to all the new riders, be honest with yourself, if your racing mx and wanna be that guy and your parts Are paid for by someone else, race a 4 stroke. But if you just love riding dirtbikes and don't have deep pockets, by a 2 stroke, they're easier n cheaper to maintain, go way faster then most can handle anyways, and 2 strokes are just darn fun. Especially a 125 or 150. It's all about being happy and having so much funn you forget all your shit till you get back to work.
wow man that totally changes my perspective. i live in massachusetts, and while land is alot more sparce, i have legit every dealership within 20mins - 1 hour drive time TOPS.
To say the Japanese approach to redesigning dirt bikes is conservative, would be an understatement. And KTM, on the other hand, has gone all out innovating, because they are a premium brand, that's growing, vs. the old crowd who has had the lions share for decades.
When you look at the intake tract, air filter placement throttle body position in the stack, etc. It's pretty clear that Honda and Kawasaki are copying KTM. If the YZFs had a traditional configuration I think they would be as well, but they seem to be the only Japanese manufacturer that's thinking outside of the box. I'm still eager to see the reviews on the 23 YZ450F, the stacked transmission could really make that bike feel lighter or less bulky and it could also allow them to move some of the weight more rearward. I love my KTM but I also have a 2018 YZ450 and it's a close second, what really stands out to me on the KTMs is just the fit, finish and attention to detail, hydraulic clutch, brembo brake calipers with steel Braided lines and oversized rotors, the hubs just look more sturdy, but the spokes appear to be thinner, excel rims, even the way the shrouds seem to latch onto the rest of the bike works better. On a side not I almost always choose a bike based on reviews and then it comes down to brand loyalty.
I think you're missing the key issue, they may not sell more from sponsoring racing, and a winner, but if they didn't race, I am pretty sure they'd sell a lot less. All marketing isn't geared towards direct response.
This was my first gypsy podcast I listened to. I was one of those dick heads that said "come on let Chad talk" after many hour later you're a rad dude jase and that whole team you got! Cheers to yinz guys from the 412!
I think Chads points are almost backwards. The average Joe would USUALLY want those things that make their bike easier, lighter, cooler…etc. I was a Suzuki guy forever because of their turning. But, after a couple years of them not at least trying to stay with the competition, it’s like “okay, well I guess they don’t t care about bettering the experience for their buyers” and now that’s truer than ever.
I disagree with that. Ive owned every brand during the last 26 years. I really liked the feel and adjustbility of TM's Old models. The KTM clutch feel I just dont get comfortable with very easy. Maybe leverage, lever length and adjustbility is where i feel its off. The cable clutch of newer Yzf's is SO light pull and good feel is translated. Thats My experience ✌️😉
@@kristianknudsen583 - It depend what year and model you tried. My 2015 350xcf clutch pull was very stiff and the engagement point was just off/on like a light switch. My 2018 250xcw is the exact opposite. Lightest pull I’ve ever felt with a nice wide engagement point for feathering. My 2018 Yamaha YZ250fx was a very close second after adding a Moose EZ pull lever though…
When they was fully developing the bikes in 1986 and after to get them where there at now the Japanese manufacturers where competing to have the best bike ,but more than anything you stick with the bike you grew up on like my first bike was a brand new 1982 XR80 ,and 3 years later after totally smashed the rims ,and thrashing the entire bike my dad bought me another Brand new Honda cr80 ,and now almost 40 years later I have 8 Honda bikes in my garage that I ride so I think its mostly what you grew up riding just like Trucks that your dad drives 9 times out if 10 your going to like that brand
My first bike was a 1980 YZ 80 , that thing ripped and when you hit it's powerband it was explosive lol. Scary fast , It's mind boggling that these little guys can throw around 450 cc bikes like they do and live to tell about it .
I weighed a 2022 ktm 450sxf full of fuel and it was 240lbs and a 2022 Yz450f full of fuel was 245lbs. These were off the show room floor. No hand guards or anything extra. Dealership floor to the shop. 5lbs difference. So 5lbs must feel like 15-20lbs. 2017 Rmz450 was 265lbs stock with fuel. There’s your 20+ lbs.
I was surprised when he said it was a 15-20 pound difference, so I had to look it up. But in shootouts and tests they never seem to weigh the bikes themselves, Its just what the manufacturer claim 🤦♂
Majority of riders get what they can afford and more importantly maintain. When performance comes at a premium price at the cost of reliability people will overlook the 15pounds if it gets them home again. Winning races on contract free bikes is an entirely different situation.
This is a joke acting like KTM is so much better when they clearly are not! Who cares about a hydraulic clutch! Ppl don’t realize you have more feel with a cable. Chad acts like that make a bike light years ahead.. 🤣😂 let’s talk about real technology! Yamaha has had a programmable bike for the public for quite some time where no one else has! Also don’t need all this aftermarket exhaust and so on to make it more powerful! Also Japanese bikes have been more reliable than KTM! Especially the Yamaha has been praised by every magazine of being the most bullet proof bike and most reliable and less major problems.
The difference between you and Chad is that he got 30 years of racing experience, what he and certain other riders did back then is the platform people sat on the years after. He never said much better, he said his subjective opinion is that KTM made their aproach to the market, and yes certain components is definitly better. If you dont understand the differences between the corporations of the small company like KTM and the Japanese wich the offroad is a small part of their sales. And frankly everything he said is tested, KTM is lighter, they have a hydraulic clutch wich works fine for the average joe equals longer motos. Even the top riders are divided some use it some do not. "Who cares about hydraulic" clutch. I can tell you that the majority seems to care. And in all honestly, you could keep a bike in good condition forever if you just keep your maintenance accordingly no matter the top brand, unforseen mishaps is out of your control anyway. You clearly missed the point of his argument.
Im a Honda man but if they come out with a hydraulic clutch the first thing I’ll do is convert it back to cable. Hydraulic clutches are great for people who can’t bicep curl 15 pounds 🤣
I dont own a ktm and couldn't afford one... but I also can't afford a new Japanese bike either. What I will say about ktm is there innovation is why they are killing it on sales. What other brand has a full mx lineup of new modern 2 strokes and 4 strokes of all sizes.....,a entire uniquely developed offroad line of 2 strokes and 4 strokes also of all sizes, then a exc street legal verson. If Japanese manufacturers want to compete they will have to step there game up because ktm has a bike for everyone and everything. Then with that they also own husky and gas gas. Sure they may be a little more money but if your spending 10 11 k on a bike you can spend a little more and get a bike developed perfectly for any kind of riding you will be doing right out the box.
Exactly. They make a bike for everything. A lot of brands don’t even make a true off-road bike and KTM makes multiple of those in 2 stroke and 4 stroke. If you want a 250 off road bike you can get a 250 XC, 250 XC-W, 250 XC-F, etc
@@chrisclifford4109 Yup! I don't get why Japanese brands dont put any r&d into off road. I really think there is a big enough market for it especially when talking about weekend warriors. The demand is there especially if anyone else can do it at a cheaper price point.
We are nearing the latter part of 2022 and Suzuki still hasn't made any changes... so sad. Having a modern KX450, I have to admit that it's too much power for me... if I ever get another dirt bike, it will probably be a 250... maybe a 350? Anyway, in the past I only rode Honda's when I raced, so did my brother, but one year he bought a Suzuki, and we bother liked it. Unfortunately, it seems like Suzuki is content on letting their dirt bikes die a slow death?
I am 50 years old. I had to go back with the exception of one time I have had 5 Hondas and 1 Suzuki since the late 80s. Hondas have always lasted the longest and been rock solid. My 12 year old is on his third Honda now and his 2nd still runs like a top and his first ran great when we sold it. Might not be the fastest or the lightest but Honda has always done right by me and we love them. Even my wifes side-by-side is a Honda lol
@@VeritasSimRacing you are full of shit "CUZ" there were NO CRFs in the "early" 90s. They didn't even start that line up until 2000. Anyway I burned and up a couple of pistons & bearings on bikes but NONE of them make a motor that well take the abuse of hard riding and jumping! If they did make one that was indestructible they would put themselves out of business !!
A lot of people don't like hydraulic clutch. Ktms are made out of butter and have absolute garbage suspension. It's a steady stream of ktms through my shop because they fall apart
Same with the japanese utvs yamaha hasnt changed that much honda & kawasaki just did changed. But polaris is the iphone of the utv every years they make a change on their rzr
I never ever thought I would betray my loyalty toward the japanese brands, ever. Then in 2017 I got tired of reading in MXA how amazing the KTMs were. I've always been steered correctly by that magazine and those guys. So, as uncomfortable as I was, I bought and paid for my first Husqvarna. I'm now on my 4th one now and I'll never look back until the rice burners improve year over year and catch up. After 50 years of being a weekend warrior, I'm astounded that the japanese don't have a clue. Try this, engineer that, over think this and mess up that. If ONLY they would have simply built on what was good and made it better. That's exactly what KTM has done and that is exactly why they are kicking the ass of the japanese brands. Their bikes are everywhere here in Florida. Sometims at the track there's literally 10 KTMS for every 1 Japanese bike.
Hai ragione al 100×100 ho sempre guidato honda e detestato ktm..........ma la prima volta che ho provato un ktm 450 2020 .....l'ho dovuta comprare per forza😍
@@Ozfreerider2504 You really should consider a new hobby if you need me to enumerate the 50 examples of everything thats light years better from weight, brakes, bullet proof clutches etc. The KTM including its brothers and sisters are 50,000$ works bikes from 10 years ago right off the showroom floor. Good luck trying to throw enough money at a yamaha or suzuki to even get close to the weight of the Munderfing made brands. So yeah, I made the point that the japanese oems are stuck in their old bushido ways. Emotionally ficused arrogance precedes intelligence.
Japan is heavily leaning towards profit and parts supply chain, KTM is more focused on giving people the bikes they want to ride rather than the bottom line.
Maybe… or maybe Japanese manufacturers (in general) value reliability and being able to reuse the same parts across their range. Innovation is great but rarely as reliable.
@@Clynikal I have been riding Japanese bikes my whole life (with the exception of one disappointing Harley) and driving Honda vehicles (currently 2020 Ridgeline) and have always appreciated their reliability and build quality. I just picked up a CRF300L Rally last spring and can't say enough good about it, most fun I've had riding in a long time. KTM is again taking the world by storm, I'll stay with RED.........
Reliability, features and price sell bikes. The yamaha 250 has alot of features at a great price so it sells like crazy. The ktm 2 strokes sell like hot cakes, especially the new 300
European brand of bike = insane price, parts and dealer support are difficult to find within any reasonable distance. Japanese brand bikes= more reasonably priced and dealers are plentiful throughout the US .
A lot has changed, but they’re still behind, not to mention the 2T stuff that is light years ahead now. The Japanese basically evolve 2 models, KTM does like 10, plus all the ADV stuff and cool niche bikes like the 350s & 150s, and in some respects the 300. I’m a little surprised they don’t produce a 500SX 2T or at least offer some big bore kit. Imagine how many of those they’d sell just for for timber sled conversions. BRC has made a business out of it. Clearly there’s a demand for a 500 2T in the market. The Japanese lineups bore me to tears, which is pretty much why I never even consider their bikes anymore. Plus I hate working on them. You can tell most of their engineers are not riders who have actually worked on their bikes before.
Im not really an any brand guy as such but i wouldn't buy anything other than an Austrian bike atm. And its so sad to see Suzuki give up on the industry. Been praying they bring something epic out but they will just dwindle away now
Respect his opinion but look at all the orange you see out there with the weekend warriors. The internet is extremely influential. There are a ton of serious riders riding orange. Especially in the single track/enduro world. Alot of those guys have UA-cam channels or some sort of significant social media following. Average dudes see the serious riders and they follow suit.
Not sure how old this is but talking about Jap evolution is a non thing. Stark Varg is the complete revolution and if you have absorbed any of Ryno’s riding tips it’s like he is talking about being glued to an electric bike. (No gear lever or brake pedal to mess with foot position)
The bike brand loyalty is more of what brand names have a dealership with in 25 miles of ur town what do local racers ride an who has the disttibutor new sales bike shop u can go an buy i ride honda because i like that bike an yamaha for road racing they were the 2 brands for more Ny NJ area of the US nirth east
I disagree. Yeah the Austrian brands have brought hydraulic clutches, electric start and Brembo brakes but they are no faster than the Japanese bikes. Especially lately, Japan is dominating the Euro bikes.
can we get another podcast with him please
Was gonna like ur comment but it’s at 22 likes😂
@@mxracer2947 thats awesome, thank you
Hopefully next time he won’t speak over Reed soo much.
@@joelmatthews5697 hopefully
Ya, we need a new Reed podcast, especially since he's been hanging in Australia.
I bought a 2022 YZ25FX last winter, and was going to do so regardless of limelight success; but let me tell you, seeing Christian Craig's and Eli Tomac's success in Supercross and then the outdoors sure reassured my decision. Even knowing that my stock bike and their race bikes probably don't have much in common. Hydraulic clutch isn't much of a sale item for me, but e-start sure was. I love the way the clutch feels on my Yamaha.
Are you literally using supercross results on factory works $40k bikes, to your enduro bike? 😆
Roczen had some influence on me buying my 2013 250sxf. Great bike. Rode it for 8 years no problems! KTM just remodeled all their bikes and they were killing it. Fast, great handling and E-start! Got made fun of for E-start but I knew it was great! Now everyone has it and loves it. I remind them I had it before it was cool. That bike is still competitive today!
All my buds made fun of my 08 505xcf cuz it had an E-start now they all have them.😆
I really like my cable clutch, I like the feel it gives, just saying motor on
i hate hydraulic, only on harleys is it worth a fuk
I could never go back to cable
Yea I started riding in 2003, and the feel of the cable clutch is just burned into my fingers muscle memory
Which feel is that…the ever changing engagement point that needs constant adjustment, or the firmer pull?
Tomac has said all year that he LOVES the cable clutch. So do I. I've had both. The point I wish they had talked about is japanese aluminum vs. austrian steel frames. Longevity and maintenance comparisons would have been fun too.
Matt Berkeen, YZ 250 2 stroke in the 450 Main, what a fun bike to ride
I think the reason for wanting a certain brand of bike is either because you developed a love for that brand or it’s because of your price range your willing to spend on a bike . Like I’m definitely a big Yamaha guy . I was born in 03 so I grew up watching chad race and my dad even now is still a big fan of chad . My dad and chad are the same age so he remembers the day chad came over to the us . My first bike was a ttr 50 when I was three because my parents never had the money to buy a pw. I learned to ride that dirt bike without training wheels before I even learned to ride a bicycle without training wheels. I had a ttr 125 lw from the age 12-16 and then Christmas in 2020 my youngest brother got a yz 65 , my middle brother got a yz 85 and I got a yz250f . It’s because of who I watched racing most of my life and because I grew up riding brand is the reason to why I like Yamaha so much .
I think that’s what Jase was saying. People more so pick their brand by what their favorite rider rides. Myself for example started riding in ‘03 on a KX65 and I wanted to ride Kawi because of James Stewart. And I also wanted my bike to look like a Pro Circuit bike lol. I also was a big fan of Villopoto during his era. Idk, I’ve just always been a Kawi guy and I chose that brand because of the riders and their style and I don’t think I’ll ever own a different brand
Not to mention the fact that when I was in the market for a new bike a kawi was the only one I could find locally. Closest yz250f was 600 miles away and ktm was 350 miles away. As a weekend warrior the choice was easy for me
I wanted a yz450 but couldn’t even find a used one. But brand new kawis sitting on the show room floor 15 minutes away
Tip; let your guests speak.
OMG are we really back to spamming this comment again? 🤣
And can you please stop saying like
Out of context it’s every 3rd word does my fucking head in
I have tried listening watching as he had Mick Doohan on I had to stop watching.
Japanese bikes will always be king. Honda and yamaha dominate today still after Suzuki and kawa had their run. Fuck Ktm
Right on! 👍🏻
We need an updated podcast with Dad Chad, lol
I have been a Kawasaki guy for a long time. Favorite Color is green so it makes it easy for me to want Kawasaki, but because of Deegan I would consider riding a Yamaha for my next bike.
Grew up riding only Hondas and still love Hondas to this day. After taking 10 years off of riding, I wanted bike that was reliable like a stock 450, less power than a 450, but faster than a 250. I know I could have bought a 2 stroke, but I wanted a 4 stroke for my first bike back. This left my only option being a 350, which limits me to one manufacturer with different color options. Overall, couldn’t be happier with my 2022 FC350. To have a very unfair comparison to 2005 CRF250, the FC is better in every category. Well almost, the white brothers exhaust on my modified 250 sounded better…..until your ears started ringing.
Dude, I'm literally in the same boat. Had an 05 Honda, love them, had a 13 CRF450, but at the end of the day, I wanted more power than a 250 and not as much as a 450.
My 22 FC350 is the best bike I've ever ridden bar none. The forks are shit, but the weight, engine and agility make up for it. Japan needs to get with the 350 and fast.
I wouldn't say it's your only option at all. I thought the same thing, I have a 01 Honda CR125 and 01 drz 400e enduro and and saving to eventually get another mx bike but was thinking I needed a 350. The reality is where I live I can easily get a Pro Circuit Kawi 250F that would do just as well as a stock 350 for less money.
@@jpesicka999 I get what your saying, but for what I was wanting, the 350 was the only option for what I was looking for. I knew I wouldn’t be happy with a stock 250f with an exhaust. I find the 350 to be the perfect amount of power.
@@Jordz711 I haven’t rode anything newer than a 2005, so for me, the forks feel great for my level of riding. I found the air pressure that works for me and adjust compression and rebound as needed. I always wanted a KTM growing up, so buying one was pretty easy. Now, if there was a Honda 350, it would have made the decision significantly harder.
@@nshonda2237 yeah fair enough. They are harsh and reactive compared to spring forks. I've put 40hrs on my 350 since new and still haven't been able to get the settings dialled.
If Honda made a 350, without a doubt, I'd have got one. In saying that, so happy with the Husky. It's a beautiful bike and no matter how good a 250 it was, it wouldn't be a 350.
im a Suzuki guy. i will never ride a bike past 90 percent of its ability. i have an rmx450 and rmz250 both new for trails and mx and their combined price is lower than what a 500exc goes for. That money saved means less dark clouds when riding, more money for more trips. No finance owing etc.
Ill forgo 5kg and 5hp and electric start for that. Plus im not a maintenance freak and literally never had an issue with a Suzi.
This popped up I thought it was new that you can tell by the conversation & Reed doesn't look like a retired father
KTM advertised weight is dry, Japanese use wet weight. 2023 KTM 450 dry weight is 226lbs add in fuel, oil and coolant you are at 240lbs. 2023 YZ450F is 240lbs wet. CRF450R 245lbs. KX450 243lbs. RM is the only piggy at 247lbs. KTM posts dry weight as marketing ploy to seem way lighter than they actually are. Still great bikes but to say Japanese weight 15lbs more is completely inaccurate.
“I can’t even bicep curl that” haha!
I’ll take my showa suspension and cable clutch over any color ktm.
Was working at a race shop an after i left quit...it became the factory KTM TEAM when they made their racing return to the USA nationals...they were not playing around ...all in was tje best term i could come up with....after finding out a little an going to a few races with the team an a supercross....it was the very beginning so i wouldnt be rude they were soul fully an totally committed to building a great bike not playing at all....which is very cool...looking back...
I remember when the AMA production rule came in 1986/87 that meant that they were not allowed to race works bikes anymore. They had to race bikes that were essentially what the public was buying from the dealerships and Honda decided that they would sell almost works bikes to everyone… the 1987 CR 250 was so fucking awesome straight from the crate! They cornered the market from that point onwards until the other manufacturers caught on to what Honda were doing a few years later!
we just need Suzuki to come out with a banger lol
I REALLY miss yellow in the top 20
that would be a miracle....miracles happen. :)
Ya 2 strokes would bring their sales up big time.
@@endurotruckererniedesjardins
I’ve said for a while now that Suzuki would hit a home run with an e-start 2 stroke XC bike. Their RM250 was a banger. Good motor, excellent handling chassis. Just modify 3rd through 5th. Add some flywheel weight, a headlight, and make the power a little tamer. Maybe make it a big bore 300 or have them come stock with a Lectron carb, and they’d sell a boatload!
They’re gonna be a little cheaper than the other Japanese bikes. I don’t think they’d have to spend a lot on re-tooling equipment. Even the steel frame people probably wouldn’t care.
I think I can appreciate all bikes. These companies are hitting the mark, even vintage bikes are just rad. I don’t love the side of the sport that feels kind of elitist. Everyone seems to need a 450 and it gets a little bit like it’s own fashion show. Just ride, have fun.
This is very true. As motorcycle lovers, we are standing at the edge of an unknown future. Some states and countries are already starting to ban ALL gas powered vehicles. If they are going to strongarm the electric progress how will this affect us? I don't know. We need to forget the debates and arguments over brands and colors and features and support all motorcycle production. It is a good possibility we may be at the end of an era and the bikes as we have know and loved.
💯 bikes are like your kids, you love them all, but they have different characters and personalities. I love having a gamut of bikes. Big bores, high performance 4T, 2T and electric. They all have their pros, cons and situations where they’re best… and I love them all 🥰
And for the other replier… when my STARK comes though, half of my gas bikes will be on the chopping block. I love the petrol, but it’s mostly nostalgia. The Ebikes are crazy fun and honestly far more enjoyable to ride. The new sensory input makes you feel like a kid riding for the first time all over again. My gas bikes will just sit and rot. Might as well let someone else enjoy them.
End of the day it’s all personal preference. Basically this argument comes down to what kind of a frame feel you want because any pro buying a bike and a lot of weekend warriors will get work done on suspension anyways, and if not most people won’t complain about any set of forks on a bike tbh
The Japanese still offer dual sports that are almost unchanged for 30 years. They are quite conservative across the board, with all manner of off road / motocross / dual sports.
This is why were seeing the MX bikes divide into the standard line and the "premium" race version. Most people are fine with the standard version and would rather save the money since they're not to the level where all those premium parts will make a difference.
yo gypsy man please talk about the yz250 2stroke they need to turn it up with efi
All 2 strokes are amazing. #2Strokesmatter
I agree with you. But at this point I think that yamaha wants both the yz250 and the yz125 to continue being "old school" bikes. Its cheaper for them and people still like it
In GNCC and enduro this is clear as day..
After riding my KTM 525 I've never thought about another brand until recently. Which would be Yamaha, is that because they're winning, partly. But I also hear nothing but good things about them.
Totally different feel. Those old RFS 525 motors were more tractory like a fast XR. The new stuff is a lot more responsive and harder to ride. A new 500EXC all uncorked is a lot more like those old 525s than a new YZ450.
I know many guys that still choose the simpler kick start clutch cable low maintenance Japanese bikes because of the ease of maintenance and abuse they take over a long time has any Rider knows the old Honda XRS we're damn near bulletproof
10 of those pounds come fr air suspension. Which you have to take that off for cone valves anyway if your racing a high level
Exsctly
Nah there is an Air version of cv forks. Doesn't have to be spring
@@Runk3lsmcdougal I’m aware of that.. but for most people when they pay 6k for forks it’s cuz they don’t like the setup they have currently.. and idk I can only speak for myself but on mine and all my buddies that run CVs we all went for the tried tested and true spring versions… I’ve rode so many set of air forks revalved by every suspension company I’ve ever heard of.. and just recently rode my buddies stock air forks just revalved and I couldn’t believe they were actually decent but for me nothing beats conventional springs for there versatility to work in different areas
Air fork is only 3-1/2 lbs. lighter. KTM shaves weight everywhere to get 10 lbs. lighter than everyone else. I think the 23 f450 actually gained 3 lbs.
Austrian bikes are generally lighter, not only because of the air forks (I personally think they are crap). And both of the cone valves spring forks are lighter than a single fork of the stock air suspension
I HAVE SEEN PEOPLE BUY BECAUSE OF COLOR, FAVORITE RIDER, AND GRAPHICS. VERY FEW LOOK INTO THE LOCAL DEALER THAT WILL SUPPORT THEM WITH PARTS/SERVICE AND OR THE BUILD QUALITY OF THE BRAND.
In my 43 years riding, I base my ALWAYS NEW bikes purchase on , 1st 2 stroke always
2nd yamaha yz250 because it's 4 grand cheaper then a ktm 250xc.
3rd what my dealer has in the shop ( only 1 dealer in a 100km radius , he sells ktm Yamaha and Suzuki)
4th seeing who's bike is breaking down and why when we're on the trail or track.
5th parts availability, yz parts are everywhere.
6th I'd love E start but I've been kicking it for 43 years so why stop now lol..
7th I ride what I like, I don't care what you or the next guy likes, it's got wheels,,, let's ride 10-4 😎🤪
My advice to all the new riders, be honest with yourself, if your racing mx and wanna be that guy and your parts Are paid for by someone else, race a 4 stroke.
But if you just love riding dirtbikes and don't have deep pockets, by a 2 stroke, they're easier n cheaper to maintain, go way faster then most can handle anyways, and 2 strokes are just darn fun. Especially a 125 or 150. It's all about being happy and having so much funn you forget all your shit till you get back to work.
wow man that totally changes my perspective. i live in massachusetts, and while land is alot more sparce, i have legit every dealership within 20mins - 1 hour drive time TOPS.
To say the Japanese approach to redesigning dirt bikes is conservative, would be an understatement. And KTM, on the other hand, has gone all out innovating, because they are a premium brand, that's growing, vs. the old crowd who has had the lions share for decades.
When you look at the intake tract, air filter placement throttle body position in the stack, etc. It's pretty clear that Honda and Kawasaki are copying KTM. If the YZFs had a traditional configuration I think they would be as well, but they seem to be the only Japanese manufacturer that's thinking outside of the box. I'm still eager to see the reviews on the 23 YZ450F, the stacked transmission could really make that bike feel lighter or less bulky and it could also allow them to move some of the weight more rearward. I love my KTM but I also have a 2018 YZ450 and it's a close second, what really stands out to me on the KTMs is just the fit, finish and attention to detail, hydraulic clutch, brembo brake calipers with steel Braided lines and oversized rotors, the hubs just look more sturdy, but the spokes appear to be thinner, excel rims, even the way the shrouds seem to latch onto the rest of the bike works better. On a side not I almost always choose a bike based on reviews and then it comes down to brand loyalty.
I think you're missing the key issue, they may not sell more from sponsoring racing, and a winner, but if they didn't race, I am pretty sure they'd sell a lot less. All marketing isn't geared towards direct response.
This was my first gypsy podcast I listened to. I was one of those dick heads that said "come on let Chad talk" after many hour later you're a rad dude jase and that whole team you got! Cheers to yinz guys from the 412!
412??? I'm in the 724!
@@Mxer724 Pittsburgh in the house, haha! Yinz like at gypsy guy n at!
@@loganmilesMX stillers bro!! Yinz guys are crazy!
I have ridden a Yamaha for 10 yrs now cause they are reliable for me but now that tomac in on a yz is even better
Keep in mind most privateers go for whoever pays the higher contingency, mxa did an article on the payments awhile ago
You gotta give Yamaha credit with the mobile tuning app. That was/is on the forefront of what could be available for the weekend warriors.
You could easily have modes for weekend warrior without complex tuning... Beginner/novice, etc modes in the ecu.
Hydraulic clutches lack the feel and response of a cable . I would take a cable over hydraulic clutch any day !
Tomac!
I think Chads points are almost backwards. The average Joe would USUALLY want those things that make their bike easier, lighter, cooler…etc. I was a Suzuki guy forever because of their turning. But, after a couple years of them not at least trying to stay with the competition, it’s like “okay, well I guess they don’t t care about bettering the experience for their buyers” and now that’s truer than ever.
The percentage of bikes sold with their sole purpose for racing is peanuts compared to how many the weekend warriors buy.
that sir is a relevant fact.
Please do a new Reed podcast.. perhaps even the Reed's 😉
Gunna work on that next couple months.
@@GYPSYTALES would be awesome! Much love! ❤️ 🦖💨
A hydraulic clutch is much better for the weekend warrior. You guys are super brand loyal to Yamaha.
I disagree with that. Ive owned every brand during the last 26 years. I really liked the feel and adjustbility of TM's Old models. The KTM clutch feel I just dont get comfortable with very easy. Maybe leverage, lever length and adjustbility is where i feel its off. The cable clutch of newer Yzf's is SO light pull and good feel is translated. Thats My experience ✌️😉
i was one of the last to swap my blue for orange. yamaha makes a stable worthy steed
@@kristianknudsen583 - It depend what year and model you tried. My 2015 350xcf clutch pull was very stiff and the engagement point was just off/on like a light switch. My 2018 250xcw is the exact opposite. Lightest pull I’ve ever felt with a nice wide engagement point for feathering. My 2018 Yamaha YZ250fx was a very close second after adding a Moose EZ pull lever though…
I’m a weekend warrior and prefer cable . Like the feel, simple design simple problems, simple solutions and I have never rode a blue bike .
Yamaha for me; always! even though a bought a 2004 yfz450r that had a crank with no lube....
bike ripped for a full year before blow up , not bad.....
When they was fully developing the bikes in 1986 and after to get them where there at now the Japanese manufacturers where competing to have the best bike ,but more than anything you stick with the bike you grew up on like my first bike was a brand new 1982 XR80 ,and 3 years later after totally smashed the rims ,and thrashing the entire bike my dad bought me another Brand new Honda cr80 ,and now almost 40 years later I have 8 Honda bikes in my garage that I ride so I think its mostly what you grew up riding just like Trucks that your dad drives 9 times out if 10 your going to like that brand
I’ll never be a pro racer so I buy old Suzuki 2 strokes because I love the look and pastrami really. They are all good bikes
My first bike was a 1980 YZ 80 , that thing ripped and when you hit it's powerband it was explosive lol. Scary fast , It's mind boggling that these little guys can throw around 450 cc bikes like they do and live to tell about it .
Yeah...my first was a very second hand 1980 RM80. Loved it. Did not race mx though. That came many years later on RM125s.
I weighed a 2022 ktm 450sxf full of fuel and it was 240lbs and a 2022 Yz450f full of fuel was 245lbs. These were off the show room floor. No hand guards or anything extra. Dealership floor to the shop. 5lbs difference. So 5lbs must feel like 15-20lbs. 2017 Rmz450 was 265lbs stock with fuel. There’s your 20+ lbs.
The suzukis of that generation are not that heavy, and I dont thing the yamaha are either
@@rogerbenson9544 2007 rmz450. My bad. I haven’t seen newer Suzuki’s.
Yeah he's nuts
I was surprised when he said it was a 15-20 pound difference, so I had to look it up. But in shootouts and tests they never seem to weigh the bikes themselves, Its just what the manufacturer claim 🤦♂
Come on with the hydrolic clutch talk. I don't want one..I'm not the only one
This an old podcast? Some Japanese bikes now have hydraulic clutches and are not much heavier than the KTMs (ESP when you factor the dumb air forks)
Hehe read the title?
the air fork is only appx. 3 pounds lighter. i have the lucky carbons and the spring fork is only about a pound heavier
Majority of riders get what they can afford and more importantly maintain. When performance comes at a premium price at the cost of reliability people will overlook the 15pounds if it gets them home again. Winning races on contract free bikes is an entirely different situation.
I like a juice clutch for mx but prefer a cable clutch on a xc / Enduro bike.
Kawasaki is killing it. What other brand makes a 250 cc four stroke that comes stock with almost 50 hp.
Surely the others are close as well
@@foxxrider250r no not even close. Cbr 250r for example comes stock with 23 HP. Zx 250 from Kawasaki makes 51 hp at 17000 rpm.
This is a joke acting like KTM is so much better when they clearly are not! Who cares about a hydraulic clutch! Ppl don’t realize you have more feel with a cable. Chad acts like that make a bike light years ahead.. 🤣😂 let’s talk about real technology! Yamaha has had a programmable bike for the public for quite some time where no one else has! Also don’t need all this aftermarket exhaust and so on to make it more powerful! Also Japanese bikes have been more reliable than KTM! Especially the Yamaha has been praised by every magazine of being the most bullet proof bike and most reliable and less major problems.
The difference between you and Chad is that he got 30 years of racing experience, what he and certain other riders did back then is the platform people sat on the years after. He never said much better, he said his subjective opinion is that KTM made their aproach to the market, and yes certain components is definitly better. If you dont understand the differences between the corporations of the small company like KTM and the Japanese wich the offroad is a small part of their sales.
And frankly everything he said is tested, KTM is lighter, they have a hydraulic clutch wich works fine for the average joe equals longer motos. Even the top riders are divided some use it some do not.
"Who cares about hydraulic" clutch. I can tell you that the majority seems to care. And in all honestly, you could keep a bike in good condition forever if you just keep your maintenance accordingly no matter the top brand, unforseen mishaps is out of your control anyway.
You clearly missed the point of his argument.
yamahas are one of the most reliable 4 strokes
Im a Honda man but if they come out with a hydraulic clutch the first thing I’ll do is convert it back to cable. Hydraulic clutches are great for people who can’t bicep curl 15 pounds 🤣
Gasgas 350f was the best thing I've ever bought.
I met a gypsy
That KTM and husky are also a 1000 doll hairs more than the yammy and Suz
Why does it say new podcast and was obviously old, as reed not on suzuki
"WHAT WINS ON SUNDAY SELLS ON MONDAY" that's what my old boss used to say when I worked at my local mx shop.
Too bad reliability and parts suck on Ktm, also the prices just for your average weekend warrior.
I dont own a ktm and couldn't afford one... but I also can't afford a new Japanese bike either. What I will say about ktm is there innovation is why they are killing it on sales. What other brand has a full mx lineup of new modern 2 strokes and 4 strokes of all sizes.....,a entire uniquely developed offroad line of 2 strokes and 4 strokes also of all sizes, then a exc street legal verson. If Japanese manufacturers want to compete they will have to step there game up because ktm has a bike for everyone and everything. Then with that they also own husky and gas gas. Sure they may be a little more money but if your spending 10 11 k on a bike you can spend a little more and get a bike developed perfectly for any kind of riding you will be doing right out the box.
Exactly. They make a bike for everything. A lot of brands don’t even make a true off-road bike and KTM makes multiple of those in 2 stroke and 4 stroke. If you want a 250 off road bike you can get a 250 XC, 250 XC-W, 250 XC-F, etc
@@chrisclifford4109 Yup! I don't get why Japanese brands dont put any r&d into off road. I really think there is a big enough market for it especially when talking about weekend warriors. The demand is there especially if anyone else can do it at a cheaper price point.
Cable clutch please
We are nearing the latter part of 2022 and Suzuki still hasn't made any changes... so sad. Having a modern KX450, I have to admit that it's too much power for me... if I ever get another dirt bike, it will probably be a 250... maybe a 350? Anyway, in the past I only rode Honda's when I raced, so did my brother, but one year he bought a Suzuki, and we bother liked it. Unfortunately, it seems like Suzuki is content on letting their dirt bikes die a slow death?
@@lancerambert Yeah, I remember Bradshaw racing on some funky air cooled open class bike... and it wasn't quite a 500cc, right?
I am 50 years old. I had to go back with the exception of one time I have had 5 Hondas and 1 Suzuki since the late 80s. Hondas have always lasted the longest and been rock solid. My 12 year old is on his third Honda now and his 2nd still runs like a top and his first ran great when we sold it. Might not be the fastest or the lightest but Honda has always done right by me and we love them. Even my wifes side-by-side is a Honda lol
Early naughties crf were ridiculous, almost everyone I know that had one blew it up at least once
@@VeritasSimRacing you are full of shit "CUZ" there were NO CRFs in the "early" 90s. They didn't even start that line up until 2000. Anyway I burned and up a couple of pistons & bearings on bikes but NONE of them make a motor that well take the abuse of hard riding and jumping! If they did make one that was indestructible they would put themselves out of business !!
Reliability is an ishew plus cost.
A lot of people don't like hydraulic clutch.
Ktms are made out of butter and have absolute garbage suspension. It's a steady stream of ktms through my shop because they fall apart
Same with the japanese utvs yamaha hasnt changed that much honda & kawasaki just did changed. But polaris is the iphone of the utv every years they make a change on their rzr
Kawasaki 450 SR ; the dream bike ! Make it happen on 250 and available !
I never ever thought I would betray my loyalty toward the japanese brands, ever. Then in 2017 I got tired of reading in MXA how amazing the KTMs were. I've always been steered correctly by that magazine and those guys. So, as uncomfortable as I was, I bought and paid for my first Husqvarna. I'm now on my 4th one now and I'll never look back until the rice burners improve year over year and catch up. After 50 years of being a weekend warrior, I'm astounded that the japanese don't have a clue. Try this, engineer that, over think this and mess up that. If ONLY they would have simply built on what was good and made it better. That's exactly what KTM has done and that is exactly why they are kicking the ass of the japanese brands. Their bikes are everywhere here in Florida. Sometims at the track there's literally 10 KTMS for every 1 Japanese bike.
You have no examples of what you’re even talking about. In that whole paragraph …
Hai ragione al 100×100 ho sempre guidato honda e detestato ktm..........ma la prima volta che ho provato un ktm 450 2020 .....l'ho dovuta comprare per forza😍
Well, this ain't 2018 anymore. And there's not a KTM of any color, fighting for any of the 2022 titles. So...there is that.
@@bmotomo421 @B Motomo yeah well those aint showroom bikes and i wouldn't trade my 22 fc450 for 100 of what you ride...so there is that.
@@Ozfreerider2504 You really should consider a new hobby if you need me to enumerate the 50 examples of everything thats light years better from weight, brakes, bullet proof clutches etc. The KTM including its brothers and sisters are 50,000$ works bikes from 10 years ago right off the showroom floor. Good luck trying to throw enough money at a yamaha or suzuki to even get close to the weight of the Munderfing made brands. So yeah, I made the point that the japanese oems are stuck in their old bushido ways. Emotionally ficused arrogance precedes intelligence.
So he's saying that Tomac moving to Yamaha and winning Championship isn't going to sell YZs🤔
Aussi aussi aussi oye oye oye🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
People tend to buy what’s affordable! If not KTM would reign supreme
“kawisucki” -cr22
KTM do seem more committed to making badass bikes.
Well obviously the title of this is not correct because we haven’t seen a KTM win and outdoors since 2020 Blake Baggett
For me its the reliability of ktm bikes.
right on!
Yep, sure. KTM (Known To Malfunction) 😉
Kawasaki has a great contingency program, it pays to ride them.
Japan is heavily leaning towards profit and parts supply chain, KTM is more focused on giving people the bikes they want to ride rather than the bottom line.
Maybe… or maybe Japanese manufacturers (in general) value reliability and being able to reuse the same parts across their range. Innovation is great but rarely as reliable.
@@Clynikal I have been riding Japanese bikes my whole life (with the exception of one disappointing Harley) and driving Honda vehicles (currently 2020 Ridgeline) and have always appreciated their reliability and build quality. I just picked up a CRF300L Rally last spring and can't say enough good about it, most fun I've had riding in a long time.
KTM is again taking the world by storm, I'll stay with RED.........
Reliability, features and price sell bikes. The yamaha 250 has alot of features at a great price so it sells like crazy. The ktm 2 strokes sell like hot cakes, especially the new 300
European brand of bike = insane price, parts and dealer support are difficult to find within any reasonable distance.
Japanese brand bikes= more reasonably priced and dealers are plentiful throughout the US .
A lot has changed, but they’re still behind, not to mention the 2T stuff that is light years ahead now.
The Japanese basically evolve 2 models, KTM does like 10, plus all the ADV stuff and cool niche bikes like the 350s & 150s, and in some respects the 300. I’m a little surprised they don’t produce a 500SX 2T or at least offer some big bore kit. Imagine how many of those they’d sell just for for timber sled conversions. BRC has made a business out of it. Clearly there’s a demand for a 500 2T in the market.
The Japanese lineups bore me to tears, which is pretty much why I never even consider their bikes anymore. Plus I hate working on them. You can tell most of their engineers are not riders who have actually worked on their bikes before.
There is a 500cc BB kit for the ktm 300.
@@allgutsnoglorywtg yes, I mentioned the BRC kit. They aren't cheap though! Just proves even more how much people are willing to spend to get a 500.
Im not really an any brand guy as such but i wouldn't buy anything other than an Austrian bike atm. And its so sad to see Suzuki give up on the industry. Been praying they bring something epic out but they will just dwindle away now
Never bought a bike based on who rides them !
Smart guy!
Love it
can you put the date of interview in the name of the vid... i like new current stuff not your old stuff
The date is in the description
Japanese bikes are much better
Yeah on april fools day 🤣
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Look how much hair you've grown in that time Jase!
Respect his opinion but look at all the orange you see out there with the weekend warriors. The internet is extremely influential. There are a ton of serious riders riding orange. Especially in the single track/enduro world. Alot of those guys have UA-cam channels or some sort of significant social media following. Average dudes see the serious riders and they follow suit.
Who’s doing clickbait now….
Only reason I have a Ktm is they have the 350, might get a gas gas next
Yamaha YZ…. All day
A lot has changed?? Not at Suzuki!!! LOL #ironyofit
Not sure how old this is but talking about Jap evolution is a non thing. Stark Varg is the complete revolution and if you have absorbed any of Ryno’s riding tips it’s like he is talking about being glued to an electric bike. (No gear lever or brake pedal to mess with foot position)
The bike brand loyalty is more of what brand names have a dealership with in 25 miles of ur town what do local racers ride an who has the disttibutor new sales bike shop u can go an buy i ride honda because i like that bike an yamaha for road racing they were the 2 brands for more Ny NJ area of the US nirth east
Who's dumb enough to buy a bike because someone won a major race on it. There factory bikes. Most of it comes to the rider
I disagree. Yeah the Austrian brands have brought hydraulic clutches, electric start and Brembo brakes but they are no faster than the Japanese bikes. Especially lately, Japan is dominating the Euro bikes.
Australian's are the new gay. His sound bite at the end SOUNDS LIKE "GYPSYYY GAYY"
Goood comment g! Burnt to a crisp.
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What frames are those? They’re beautiful 🤙🏻
Suzuki talking about hydraulic clutch and e start four years ago and it still hasn't happened 🙈