AT&T Stadium has Jerry Jones to blame for the lack of transit. I went to see U2 and even my hotel shuttle was kept a mile from the stadium because Jones wants the revenue from parking.
And TRE doesn't even run on Sundays, so you're kinda screwed. The nearest "viable" transit option to get even close to AT&T Stadium from Dallas on Sundays is in Irving - 13 miles away. The crazy part is that DART opened the Orange Line extension between Northwest Dallas and DFW Airport - which runs right past the site of the former Texas Stadium in Irving - about a year or two after the Cowboys moved to Arlington.
@@CreightonRabsas a DART rail operator as well as one who enjoys good urban planning, i literally cringe every time i pass the TX stadium wasteland. It’s so sad that it was almost so good
@@maybachtruck6008 Don't worry, when Dallas gets a second, AFC, franchise (THIS WILL BE HAPPENING AT SOME POINT, MOST LIKELY RIGHT AFTER JERRY KICKS IT) the new team will most likely play at the Cotton Bowl where there is plenty of public transportation.
The fact that Detroit is ranked number 4 on this list is such a huge indictment on transit accessibility in the U.S. Detroit!? The Motor City? I love my home town, but I’ve never met a single person who has taken transit to a Lions game. Which actually brings up a decent point: I bet the rankings would be slightly different if it was based on the number of people who actually take transit to the game. Detroit’s overall transit system and massive urban sprawl probably means that even though there are a lot of busses and trains downtown near the stadium, the usage is almost certainly much lower than Chicago or Minneapolis. But I’m sure Dallas would still be last. 😅
Transit to Ford Field is solid if you live in the City or the Woodward/Gratiot/Michigan suburbs, though you have to deal with the reliability problems that plague all Detroit transit (except, ironically, the People Mover). And if you live anywhere else in the Metro, there's either no practical option or literally no option at all. Plus, there's basically no culture of taking transit in Metro Detroit. I would venture that the vast majority of people taking transit to Ford Field on a home game Sunday are 1) low income stadium or hospitality workers with no other option and 2) suburbanites who drove into the City and found cheap parking along the QLine or People Mover routes.
I feel like there's a lot of others that would be more accurate and reordered with a look like you described for Detroit and looked at it from more of regional connectivity viewpoint. Except for many the best and worst two being DAL and KC. Also Baltimore's Commuter Rail MARC doesn't run on weekends so that would lower their score, although they still have a reliable LRT at the stadium.
Yes 100%. As someone who's from Philly, but lives in Detroit currently, I think this ranking doesn't take quite the right things into account. Like, is it actually accessible by transit if it's so inconvenient to take the transit in the first place? Like where is it accessible by transit from? From my house in Detroit? Absolutely not. From my house in Philly? 1000x better.
Yeah, this was very shocking. Detroit's mass transit is so garbage, ESPECIALLY on a game days. The light rail runs in traffic without priority in a 3-mile straight line, the People Mover meanders a 1-way loop around the edge of downtown, and the bus system just isn't robust and reliable enough to be considered good.
I imagine a total of 0 people are Amtraken to a game. The Sound Metro will bring plenty of folks, when it’s finally done! My parents live in Seattle is how I know, and I can’t talk much shit as Vegas sucks too for Transit.
@loC2ol Not a Seahawks game, but earlier this year I rode amtrak down and there were a number of people riding for a Mariners game. They were all super hyped and fun to talk to.
Seattle's ranking on this is well deserved, but honestly, shoutout to them to rejecting the subway so the money was given to Atlanta for MARTA! Besides the well-designed MARTA rail system, I just love the design of Mercedes-Benz Stadium! HOK, who worked on the stadium, were inspired by the oculus within Rome’s ancient Pantheon for the roof. The stadium’s signature roof is composed of eight 220-foot-long “petals.” Activated by the push of a button, the petals appear to rotate when opening but actually move in unison along 16 linear tracks. The roof fully opens in eight minutes and closes in seven. And its facade with alternating insulated metal and ETFE panels was inspired by the shape of a falcon’s wing! Surprise to no one that Minneapolis is in the top-three too! The light-rail's coverage is wonderful, whether you're going to the state capitol at St. Paul or to Mall of America for shopping and theme park fun. The stadium looks like a viking ship, but the actual inspiration was the jagged rocks that formed the nearby cataract known as St. Anthony Falls and the ice shards that pile up on the edges of Minnesota lakes as they freeze, thaw, and refreeze in winter. The roof was done with 60 percent Ethylene tetrafluoroethylene, and inspired by Nordic vernacular architecture, allows the stadium to endure heavy snow loads as the snow moves into a heated gutter and drains into the Mississippi.
Philadelphia should have ranked higher - or at least in the top 10 - because that Broad Street Line pretty much connects with most of the major Regional Rail and rail transit lines through Center City Philadelphia. I'd also say that San Francisco/Santa Clara should've also been closer to the top 10 because VTA rail and CalTrain connections. Same with Denver because of RTD rail connections from Union Station and several nearby bus routes serving Downtown Denver. I'm not sold on Detroit or Cincinnati being in the top 10 as those are more bus-oriented transit systems. Nor am I sold on Baltimore being ranked second; yes, you do have Northeast Corridor connections, but those require a transfer to the light rail system and you have to go through a very sketchy stretch of Downtown Baltimore.
the video's creator says he's using walking score at the beginning and it shows. Having been to a Seahawks and Ravens game, he needed to account for the limitations of the entire system, both of which are not great. Seattle fans use transit, partially because the parking near the stadium as atrocious, and the public transit near Ravens games are not actually easier than driving. Lions have access, but the transit is poor even on game days, and his pimping of the Bears games is not reflective of the long ass distance you need to walk from the CTA connections, as the Metra connections are not exactly easy for game day. This list was all "possible" connection, and not practical connection.
@@cmattsun Chicago's "last mile connections" from most METRA stations involved shuttle bus routes from Union Station and other terminals to Soldier Field, where they'd likely be stuck in the same traffic on Lake Shore Drive.
100% percent with the Philly comment. The BSL can hold a ton of people, much more than slow moving, smaller sized light rail lines. And yes, it also connects up with all the other rail lines so you have a huge number of people who can take it in the suburbs of PA or South Jersey (which I did).
Eh.. I don’t know, not sure how Denver and Phila. possibly got beat out by Nashville, Cincinnati, and Detroit. It seems that quality, frequency, and reach of transit took a back seat to total number of transit lines within a certain proximity, no matter how infrequent or or impractical. Denver’s Mile High has two nearby light rail stations (within 1/3 mile) on 3 light rail lines (though one is still on a temporary Covid suspension) that frequently and directly connect to southern and western parts of the city. With one transfer, you can connect to many other parts of the city on rail. There are also several frequent bus lines on the two major nearby cross streets, Colfax and Federal. Philadelphia, while sadly surrounded by a moat of parking, is directly connected to very frequent heavy rail service on the Broad Street line. I would rate this on a whole different scale than any new fangled modern streetcar. Cincinnati and Detroit are connected to essentially useless streetcar lines (unless you are trying to just get to the other side of downtown) and several infrequent bus lines. Nashville is almost a half mile from a train station that runs, what, 7 trains a day to some random far flung suburbs and some infrequent bus lines. I do appreciate the effort and I like your content. I just think some very important variables, like how useful the transit actually is, may have been missed.
Yeah, I kept on thinking how low many of the stadiums I know would rank on this list because the score seems to heavily favor having a lot of lines very close to the stadium instead of one good one. My cities stadium would have been at the very bottom, being served by a gameday only tram line and bus shuttle both requiring a few hundred meters walk. At all other times there’s only a tram station about a mile away being served. But, the stadium line runs at a 1-5min frequency starting 2h before games from the main train station via the main transfer station and at an absolutely insane
Ravens fan here. The MARC Camden line only runs Monday through Friday and primarily serves as a commuter train to DC. It’s not feasible for attending Ravens or Orioles games, which is a shame because the stadiums are right there. They are, however, a short light rail or bus ride away from Penn Station. Nice vid
Definitely a shame how underutilized the Camden line is. That being said, even though it doesn't work for getting to the game, that doesn't stop people from using it anyway. I have friends who use it to get to the games, and then take Amtrak back to DC in the evening. I even once saw some ravens fans board at St Dennis of all places. No clue how they planned to get back after the game, lol.
I 've taken the Camden Line to an O's game exactly one time (nearly 30 years ago) and that was because I'd taken the Penn Line to work in DC that morning. MDOT MTA is studying a connector line between the Penn and Camden lines, which, if built, will connect those two lines and may make taking regional (commuter) rail to O's and Ravens game feasible. They're also studying the Red Line and if that gets built, there will be another major transit connection in the Camden Yards area.
When Oriole Park opened up, MARC had special service to Orioles games from Union Station, the problem was that they couldn't guarantee that it would get back to DC in time to connect to the last Metro train in DC. Also CSX freight was more valuable to carry. I did take the MARC Camden Line from Union Station for the Ravens Super Bowl 35 Rally at the Stadiun which one of the best moved I did, only drawback was I had to wait until 4 pm for the Southbound train to Dc but it was better than the overcrowded light rail that day
Gillette is definitely underrated on Transit score, while 99% of the time it's basically impossible to get to, having timed trains to downtown boston is fairly convenient (if only they ran those trains for Revs games)
I think an important factor in these rankings is how close the stadium is to downtown. Naturally the stadiums that are downtown will be easier to get to than some place like Gilette that's 20+ miles outside of the city.
Both trains, Boston and Providence, are always full on game day. The larger issue is that it's only one train each way. If they ran them every half hour as express (say from South Attleboro and 128) you would increase ridership. The one hour before and half hour afterwards isn't ideal
One downside of Cleveland's transit to Browns Stadium is that the blue/green line going to the stadium is a light rail line while the red line linking the airport to downtown and east side is heavy rail thus requiring a transfer at Tower City / Public Square. However RTA will be introducing new Siemens equipment in 2023 which can service both light rail and heavy rail lines... it's possible then that RTA might introduce a GameDay express/limited line that'll allow direct service from the heavy rail red line to the stadium.
I've taken transit to Levi's. One hour from San Franicsco to Mountain View via Caltrain. Then another hour transferring and taking the extremely slow VTA. Maybe convenient if you lived in the Silicon Valley.
In Pittsburgh, it's very cool to see people pouring out of the light rail station to see football and baseball games ... or walking over one of the Allegheny River bridges to/from a downtown pub before/after a game (to be fair, that's more often about baseball and the warm weather, but ...). Not to mention the fact that light rail from downtown to the two north shore stadiums is completely free of charge.
Bias but I think Philly is a little better than this list says since people from the suburbs can take the regional rail to center city then transfer. It’s faster and more predictable than driving when you factor in traffic.
my exact thoughts as a south jersey resident i take patco to the bsl for any event i go to down there honestly its mostly sixers and flyers games eagles are just too expensive
Exactly what I was gonna comment, plus it’s also accessible from the NE corridor from 30th then Hop on the market Frankfort then transfer at center city.
I wish PATCO had built the three lines instead of just 1 for more east and South coverage, or better yet had a line on or under the Walt (in addition to the Ben) with stadium and Airport access. While the broad street connection is admittedly convenient and underrated, a south Philly tunnel or bridge crossing would definitely get more people from South Jersey out of their cars and onto transit to the games
Cincinnati may have busses and a streetcar, but 95% of people still drive to the stadium. The busses have alternate routes on gamedays and frequently get stuck in traffic and the streetcar really only connects the north end of downtown to the south end. The number of people taking the streetcar to the game would have to be under a thousand. Also we made back to back AFC Championship games.
I don't watch or care for football at all, but I live in downtown Seattle, don't own a car, and ride transit daily. I felt like I won the trophy here! Ha! Nice list!
I was in Seattle last week (and attended the game on Thanksgiving). We stayed in the South Lake Union area and did not have a car. We found it fairly easy to get to all of the places we wanted to visit using public transportation which was mostly clean and felt safe. Really the only time we felt unsafe was when it got dark, around 5pm, and found ourselves waiting for a bus at 3rd and Pike. Ended up ubering out of there. Seattle has built out a pretty decent (for American standards) public transit network. What surprised me was how few people appear to actually be paying to use it. I estimated probably about 25% were tapping or scanning. Not sure how sustainable that is.
Took the transit multiple times to US. Bank in Minneapolis multiple times, quick access to the stadium, we get on at the Mall of America in Bloomington, and it takes us all the way downtown in 30 mins, or less.
Idk if they still do this. The last time I went to a Vikings game. They also had dedicated busses to take fans away from the stadium in case the Metro was full and still included as part of your Metro ticket purchase.
@@sunny1992s no it wasn’t. The closest station was GA State. MARTA would run a fleet of shuttles from 5pts for overflow since GA would have a hard time handling that many people. The worst case scenario you’d walk a 1/4 mile from the station. Of course, the Braves made their decision not due to transit accessibility or anything else other than they had the opportunity to bilk a local government into handing over billions in revenue.
@@tone_bone Really? Why would the NHL give Atlanta another chance when it couldn't support the (former) NHL team it had? There are more deserving cities.
I felt that taking transit to Sofi and Denver was a better option than driving, especially when leaving. Instead of waiting in traffic for up to an hour, you hop right on the shuttle/train in about 10 minutes after the game and you’re gone. Plus you can have a few more drinks at the game and not have to worry
I absolutely agree with MetLife Stadium's ranking here. The Meadowlands Sports Complex feels like NJ's Arlington TX with how car-oriented the sports complex is. Of course there's a train station right there, built in 2009 in anticipation of hosting a Super Bowl, which it did in 2014, but the concept was done horribly. They called it the "Mass Transit Super Bowl", and it was a nightmare because the line couldn't handle the overcrowding. It sounded good on paper, as Secaucus would get improvements to its platforms and even Amtrak planned on stopping trains at Secaucus Junction too for game day. The Meadowlands Rail Line acts as a spur line via a wye off of the Pascack Valley Line, and it's not even electrified. After the game ended, more than 33,000 people took the shuttle at Meadowlands back to Secaucus, far over the Meadowlands station's regular operating capacity. At one point, fans were even asked to remain inside the stadium until more trains were dispatched to load passengers from the station. I look at its location and think to myself, "Man I wish West Side Stadium was built" because while I know it was meant to be just for the Jets, that would've been the perfect NYC football stadium with it being so close to NY Penn and not to mention easy subway access. If it was built, NYC would've won the 2012 Summer Olympics. So why wasn't it built? Let's just say a certain famous arena was against another major venue being so close to them.
NJT and Coach USA wasn't allowed to provide the normal bus services because the NFL banned them for the Super Bowl. Since the American Dream Mall opened they now have 5 regular local bus routes that run every 30 min at minimum and usually every 15 minutes on Sunday game days. 2 Hours before the game and 1 hour after the game 3 of those routes also service the Stadium itself and the nearby Meadowlands racetrack.
@@PhantomThiefOfSportseasier for who? Those who live in LI or Manhattan? Those in NJ and Westchester love to tailgate. There would be no tailgating for a West side stadium
Glad to see Baltimore finally rank towards the top of some urbanist list! And honestly, in addition to LRT, MARC Regional Rail, and locals buses, the walk from the closest Metro station on our line Metro line isn't that bad either and many use it to get to Orioles and Ravens games alike.
Seattle has an Amtrak train that serves all the stations south to Portland on game day, and it's timed to suit the normal 1 PM game time. And the stadium is even within walking distance of the Puget Sound ferry terminal!
Being able to get to Seahawks games via train is awesome especially since there’s a stop by my house and it’s pretty far away from Seattle! The atmosphere riding back from a win is also great, not so much after a loss though 😅
I’m surprised that the 49ers’ stadium isn’t higher. If you’re going to Levi’s Stadium by public transit you can take CalTrain on the San Francisco Peninsula or BART in the East Bay, both connect to the VTA Light Rail Line that has a station by the stadium. If you are coming from Sacramento, you can take the Capital Corridor train to the Levi’s Stadium station. There are also local busses.
I thought this was MLB for a sec, almost spit out my turkey. I lived near 4th and king and SF does an incredible job at getting hordes of people to the stadium
@@erikawwad7653 The good thing about the SF Giants stadium is that it is actually in San Francisco and required practically no public funds to construct.
I’d personally put Philly up higher, the broad street line runs every 8 minutes or less for game days and there are even special express trains that run directly from walnut-locust. Having been to many of the other cities in the list, the frequency, capacity, and share of fans who use the bsl alone should put it in the top 10 easily. Plus the speed of bsl and it’s connections to other transit definitely beat traffic, especially including regional rail and patco. Buses have a fatal flaw over the bsl: they also get caught in traffic. That said, Philly could easily eclipse everyone if they were allowed to use the csx tracks that are right on the other side of 95. I’d put Seattle, Baltimore, Cleveland, Chicago, Atlanta, maybe Pittsburgh, and maybe Minneapolis ahead of Philly, but it should easily be top 5 imo despite the limited routes. If the commanders move back to the site of RFK, they’d be ahead as well.
the interesting factor being cities on this list already with stadiums for those other sports adjacent to the other stadiums arenas, example philadelphia, all 4 pro sports teams play in the same exact area, each connection there is exactly the same
top 5 for NBA would easily be the New York teams, Toronto, DC and Boston. i’d prob put Toronto at number 1 just cuz people don’t have to worry about dealing with the annoying transfers between two central hub stations (ie New York and Boston) and potentially wasting a lot of time since these transfer trains get hella packed. Washingtons flaw is that it’s a 20 minute walk to the Union Station for Amtrak, whereas with Boston, Knicks and Toronto the arenas are connected to the main stations
I really don’t understand how you have Atlanta at #5 when it has two whole subways stations (the other is Vine City directly across the street) and has allowed for a nearly car free game day experience INCLUDING A BIKE VALET
It’s because he just based it on the “transit score” number on walk score. That metric is OK, but not super accurate. For example, it counts a streetcar stop the same as a subway stop, but we all know how much faster a subway is and how it can hold more people.
That’s true but I catching the train here in L.A is easy but! They take forever! I ride the gold line often during the week and trains pass every 10 to 15 minutes but during the weekend (Sunday) it runs every 15 or 20 minutes. MTA get on it!
Don’t forget that there is game day boat service for Acrisure. You can park down the river and the Gateway clippers have a service right to the river side of the stadium. It’s a beautiful and unique way to get to a game, highly recommend it.
In DC there is a bus line, the F14 that actually goes to the stadium but not to the closest station. In addition it only runs Monday-Saturday making it irrelevant to football games and the other lines only serve the neighborhoods around the stadium not the stadium itself
I remember they use to have bus shuttles from Addison Road and Landover and Addison Metro Stations to FedEx Field, WMATA dropped it when there was a ruling that public transit system that provided special services was a Charter, Im pretty sure they could have gotten a waiver but Snyder don't care one bit
Im actually surprised that Denver got such a low score. It has a detected light rail station along with buses, and bus routes just for the games. There is also a transit hub station about 3/4 mile away as well. If you ever want to see a sports game in Denver public transportation is a great option to get you there!
Fun Fact About Miami is that they are supposedly expanding their Metro lines to the Hard Rock Stadium (Where the Dolphins play). They expedited it so that construction starts in 2024, so we’ll see what happens!
As a Dallas Area Rapid Transit rail operator, we always talk about how stupid it was for them to put AT&T stadium in Arlington where they vote to not support rail infrastructure and the tax that’d come with it. Such a missed opportunity and it really makes me sad to pass right by the old site of the cowboys stadium on the Dart rail Orange line where it could’ve been such a great connection. I skipped past this video a few times bc i knew how poorly Dallas would do, and wouldn’t you know that it’s actually the worst in the country. It really does suck because people would ride. The American Airlines Center is downtown in Victory Park and has its own station and on Dallas Stars hockey game days as well as Mavericks basketball, the trains are often packed with fans and we coordinate special event trains for things that take place at that arena. The cowboys would draw an enormous crowd. I digress, hopefully Arlington gets the picture one day while I’m still living lol
I am from Baltimore. I live in Glen Burnie, Maryland. South from Baltimore. I am proud of my state and city making it to #2. Both Hamburg Street and Camden Station / Camden Yards stations serve both the Baltimore Ravens and Orioles stadiums. Nice to see this.
I don't know if this counts, but in Pittsburgh, the Gateway Clipper, a private river boat company, runs a boat shuttle from Station Square, on the south side, to the stadiums on the north shore on game days when river conditions allow.
As a Clevelander, HOW THE HECK DID WE GET ON A TOP TEN LIST FOR ANYTHING POSITIVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!??!!???????!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!!? Still, not complaing. Great video btw!
My only guess as to NY ranking lower is because the meadowlands trail link requires a transfer in Secaucus which connects all of NJ Transit rail (except the Atlantic City line), and dedicated buses from the Port Authority Bus Terminal. So one if not more transfers are required. Secaucus can provide through running of LIRR trains and trains from the New Haven line of Metro-North. Not the best, but it's better than many.
I saw that with the rail upgrades and new tunnel under the Hudson River NJT is planning to to build a loop track so that trains from Penn Station can go direct to the stadium without a transfer. This will really help with the possibility of through running trains from other lines (mainly Metro North) into New Jersey.
Secaucus junction does not connect to the Raritan Valley line either. So travelers on that line have to connect in Newark and then again in Secaucus. Some of the last stops on the Raritan valley line however border "Eagles" territory and those fans drive to a NEC station and go to Trenton and connect to SEPTA to go Eagles games.
New England has direct commuter rail connections from South Station while the Meadowlands requires a change at Secaucus Jct. I don’t understand how Philadelphia ranks so low when they run local and express Broad Street Subway service. I’d love to see a re-ranking with actual seating capacity and see how the heavy rail options in the NE (and on-site) compare to a bunch of bus lines or a mile walk from the closest rail options.
Pittsburgh has the light rail connection which is great, but the issue is the frequency. The frequency really gets cut at night and on Sundays, which is exactly when the games are. It's a real shame
There’s something else to note in New Orleans it’s really easy to walk from the Superdome to Bourbon Street after Saint victory, or basically access any words in the city from the dome.
8:18 So, AZ did pretty poorly, but i'm just glad they have something [and in that something, it only takes 2 transit rides after leaving the airport (3 if you include PHX Sky Train) to get to State Farm Stadium. The hardest part for me is how far the walk is from "Glendale @ 95th" to the stadium, but it's not as bad for me as it is for locals since i can walk part of that distance to the hotel, and finish the walk on gameday]. Hearing from another commenter that Jerry Chokes is so insistent about people paying for parking to the point where hotel shuttles couldn't drop them off within a mile of the stadium makes me so glad to not be a Cowboys fan. If i'm a Cowboys fan, then i'm the customer, and Jerry Chokes is nothing more than a worker. No matter how important he is to the Cowboys, i and all other fans are more important, and we are entitled to be treated as such, even if that means the team only makes $999.99M on gameday instead of $1B because most of the people attending took transit to the stadium instead of driving and paying for parking. If i was a Cowboys fan, i'd be looking to quit on this team over failed ownership like i did with John Fisher and the Oakland A's, an earned betrayal that lead me to follow Matt Olson to the Braves Country, another place that isn't too great for transit access as far as stadiums go.
Adding more info to Detroit transit connection to all of their stadiums(because Little Caesar's Arena is maybe 2 blocks away from Ford Field and Comerica): the reason we rank so high is because the great frequency of buses and the Qline(streetcar) along Woodward Ave. Qline is every 15 minutes plus the most frequent bus line in the city (4 Woodward) which is every 15-20 minutes the bulk of any day. And along the Woodward corridor from the suburbs not to mention the people mover lol. That's all to say Woodward is covered, but to actually get to Woodward Ave(vertical street that divides east and west sides of the city starting from downtown which is the southern base of the metro area since south of that is Detroit River and Windsor, ON, Canada) is difficult and/or time consuming. Most bus lines run every 45min-1hour and my experience lately is that they have been often at least 10min late if not 20. This is my perspective living in the city but not near downtown. Frequency can be more and obviously reliability is another thing but there is potential for improvement if people are open to it, biking is getting a lot better over the next decade too, but at least Detroit transit is some of the cheapest you'll find and it works...mostly.😅 I took 2 buses to the Pistons game yesterday and it was pretty good although late at night coming back, buses are even more infrequent. I knew Detroit would be good on this list but I was wondering if I missed it when the video got deeper into the top 10 haha
The only problem with Denver’s RTD stop is that they drop you on the other side of the interstate, you gotta walk through alleyways and drainage ditches to get to the stadium, and if a train is crossing, you’re stuck, luckily there is another stop a bit farther but it’s less crowded and no stops
I feel like these rankings are more based on how close stadiums are to their urban centers and number of transit links rather than the quality of those connections. While MetLife Stadium is out in the middle of nowhere and the NJ Transit link isn't perfect, it connects the stadium to Secaucus for NJ Transit and Penn Station in NYC where fans can reach the NYC Subway, LIRR, and special Metro North services connecting pretty much all of the NYC Metro Area. There are also additional buses that link the stadium with Port Authority and additional points.
The newly opened American dream mall has permanent local bus routes which run on gamedays. Its only a 5 min walk from Metlife Stadium with fares starting at 1.60 each way and NJT just added tap to pay NFC tech on their buses. I park in the town of East Rutherford for Giants games and take the bus to/from the stadium for a total of 3.20 and I avoid the traffic after the game.
I imagine if you did rankings on the other major US sport leagues, Phoenix would rank a lot higher. The MLB and NBA stadiums are in downtown (both stadiums are right next to the 3rd St/Jefferson and 3rd St/Washington light rail station couplet, though it would be nice if express buses ran game day service as well), and the NHL team plays at the ASU Tempe campus hockey stadium, which is right next to the Veterans Way/College Ave station (granted, the Coyotes are only playing there until they can get a new stadium, as Glendale evicted the team a few years ago due to constant financial issues).
Have you done one of these for major league baseball? I am surprised that Philadelphia ranked so low. I wouldn't dream of driving to a Phillies, Eagles, Flyers, or 76ers game or an arena concert with the Broad Street Subway available.
Metlife is kind of in the middle of nowhere, so I don't expect them to have much. If we looked at MLB stadiums on the other hand, New York would probably be in the top 5 because of Yankee and Citi Field. Those two are connected to major subway lines 4 and 7, bus networks, and commuter rail (MNR Hudson Line, and LIRR Port Washington Line). In addition, NYC promotes the use of public transit by using older, retired rolling stock in rare events.
If Washington moved back to RFK stadium getting there would be super convenient. They can now that DC United has their own stadium. Right now, after you get off at Morgan Blvd, you have to walk a mile down a narrow sidewalk that is not made for the amounts of people who take metro to FedEx field games. It is worth mentioning there are a few bus routes that run near to FedEx field, but none are very frequent or have good metro connections. They also only take you half a mile away. I believe having heavy rail alone puts it a little higher on this list but still not great.
On the bright side, Miami is (finally) expanding the Metrorail to connect to Hard Rock Stadium in anticipation of the world cup, so that should move us way up the list
Can concur about State Farm Stadium (Cardinals). Usually takes a couple buses to get to Westgate (Glendale's entertainment district), even from within the West Valley. Sun Devil Stadium (Ok, fine.. Mountain America Credit Union Stadium or whatever nowadays) is perfect for transit, since it sits right outside the Veterans Way/ASU stop for light rail.
Sun Devil Stadium only has college football games, as far as I’m aware. Though the Tempe transit center is also right next to the light rail station. Also, I wonder who actually refers to Sun Devil Stadium by its new name.
@@grahamturner2640 They did have the Alliance of American Football in 2019 with the Arizona Hotshots (which I was a season ticket holder) until the league folded a couple months after its start, due to financial mismanagement. It was also the initial home of the then-Phoenix Cardinals from their move out of St. Louis in 1987 until the now-State Farm Stadium opened in the 2000's.
I was also thinking about making a video like this, but I think you did a better job that I could have. As a Canadian, something that interests me about the USA is tailgating culture. We don't really have that up here, but I think it's indicative that people like having a social atmosphere before games. That's why I love when teams like the Atlanta Braves and Milwaukee Bucks create districts around their stadiums. And of course, having access to transit nearby is hugely beneficial when you're talking about the literal tens of thousands of people that NFL games attract. I don't think anyone likes having to wait for a traffic jam when leaving. I wasn't surprised to see you ranked Seattle at the top, but speaking from personal experience, having a surface-level light rail stop with a level-crossing entrance is kind of a nightmare from a crowd management standpoint. Sure, one could just easily walk to another stop or take another form of transit, but the Stadium station on link does a LOT of the heavy lifting for that area whereas heavy rail should be doing that. Seattle should have built a metro instead of a light rail line, but I guess what's done is done (Link expansion can't come soon enough). Lumen field is still in a much better location that most NFL venues and it's definitely a great venue to visit. Great video as always, and go Steelers. ⬛🟨
one of the stadiums in my city has all the nearby bus stops closed and routes diverted during events to make more room for cars going to the event. In fact its A & T stadium, the one you mentioned. The transit agency is even banned from operating buses there, at request of the stadium, who want to exclusively charge for parking.
If you had took the time to roast on the Raiders, i would not have blamed you. The Coliseum was/ is prime in transit. You had Capitol Corridor station (endpoints being San Jose and Sacramento) right outside the premises, multiple AC Transit connections to BART which was across the street and has three connecting lines at that one station. It was right off the 880 freeway and BART has a people mover connected to the Oakland Airport. You could theoretically just pay for a roundtrip flight for the game alone. so if you plan on doing an MLB version of this, i hope it helps.
Philadelphia regional rail+ subway makes a only-train game day commute possible for so many people. People from NYC, South Jersey, Delaware and deep into the Philly suburbs. Most of the cities listed about Philly can't promise anything close to that.
I know it's nfl but Seattle has access for near all of its main draws sports wise. Seahawks, Mariners sounders and uw sports are all on the light rail with bus and shuttle for all of them. plus the amtrak lines for most and easy connection to light rail from amtrak. I've never taken transit to climate pledge but id imagine light rail then bus/walk/or monorail is viable.
The fact Detroit scored so high is hilarious and also sad. Do one for every college football bowl game. It will be funny to see Quick Lane Bowl (Ford Field) beat some of the marquee big time games (such as the Cotton Bowl being played at Jerry World)
Dude how on Earth is Philly ranked so low? The NRG Broad Street Line station is literally 0.5 miles away from Lincoln Financial Field. It’s a 10 minute walk..
With 20k+ first class hotel rooms and countless bars and restaurants within one mile of the Superdome in New Orleans, living downtown or in the French Quarter, you can just walk to the games. Plan ahead though, as you may want to make several “beverage stops” on the way, but don’t fear missing the kickoff…..you can take your drinks “to go” as it is legal to drink on the streets, as long as you use plastic cups and no glassware or bottles.
Seattle ranking top of the list was a little bit of a surprise. I thought other city was better but good job Seattle for prioritizing transit for big events. The light rail had a record of 137,000 riders in a day when they had big events over July 2023.
Indy did better than I expected. I think it's only because our stadium is downtown and kind of near the new Red Line (our first BRT line). The transit overall in Indy is wretched, even with all the improvements they are making. The ones below us were more suburban stadiums with huge parking lots. Like the narrator said, we have NO local rail transit in Indy. No light rail, no subway, no elevated train, no People Mover, no commuter rail. The only rail of any kind is an Amtrak line that departs once a day to Chicago. BRT is as rapid as it gets here. Right now, we only have one BRT line, but a second is under construction, and a third is in the planning and design phase. Even when all that is done, it won't be nearly enough, but at least they're trying.
I think you're ranking philly too low. the walkscore rating is artificially bad because the entire sports complex is a mass of parking, but it's the only stadium in the country other than soldier field that has a heavy rail subway stop next to it. Stuff like a density of buses or light rail lines is *nice*, but especially streetcars and buses are barely functional around a game because they operate in mixed traffic For philly, you're a maximum of a two seat ride to the stadium from anywhere in the entire region if you live near regional rail - the regional trains connect seamlessly with the subway. yes there's technically only one stop providing access, but it's on the highest capacity subway line in America outside of NYC, which counts for much more than having multiple streetcar lines
There's no way that Philly is Below Nashville, Detroit, Cincinnati or Chicago for that matter - Subway is Direct to Stadium and most importantly - suburbs have great connectivity. Tell me how many people from the inner city go to lions games compared to those who drive in from the burbs. List is HIGHLY Subjective.
@climateandtransit what I would say in response to this (Philly resident) is the reach, speed, and capacity of the Broad Street Line. It can REALLY carry a lot of people. So while Philly may not have as many lines connecting to the stadiums, it is a really high quality line that connects to a lot of other lines (MFL, PATCO, Regional Rail)
this list really should’ve considered both who is going to games and the quality of transit to the games, most of the bears fans are from the suburbs so if they were to take transit they’d be riding on metra, and chicago does have an express bus from union station for gameday, but the metra schedules themselves can be really rough, schedules can be poor or even non existent on weekends
Detroit stadiums are right off Wodward transit lines.The Q-line Street car and the Woodward express FAST buses 461 and 462 and DDOT #4 drop off and pickup right in front of Little Cears arena,Tiger stadium but Ford Field is a small walk right behind Tiger Stadium.You can definitely park in suburbs and ride the FAST routes to the stadiums the problem is frequency especially after 10pm.
Hmm, Indianapolis Red Line BRT does serve some important destinations such as the Indianapolis Children’s Musem, IvyTech College, the Indiana State Capitol, Downtown Indianapolis, the University of Indianapolis, and, a 12 minute walk from Statehouse Station, the Lucas Oil Stadium. So maybe those planners actually knew what they were doing.
Surprised Mile High didn't make the list. The light rail station is very reliable on gamedays and has very easy access, although it is a pretty far walk from the station to the stadium so I kind of get it.
Cowboys fan living in Arizona of course both scored last. In Tucson, years ago, during the football and basketball games. The local city bus service used to run shuttle buses coming in from all over town usually from mall or shopping center parking lots to the University of Arizona on game day. On top of the streetcar and existing bus lines. Unfortunately, the shuttle busses are gone.
I don't know if this is already in the works or not, but i'd definetely like to see something like this for the NHL, NBA, and MLB [and maybe redo NFL and at an even later time the other 3 major leagues for getting to stadiums from intercity transit options (which would mainly be airports and Amtrak Stations) for Tourists, out of town fans (like me with the Cardinals, Kings, and Braves), and visiting fans]
Thanks for sharing! As a new traveling fan. This video is helpful when I plan my visit to see other football and baseball stadiums. As a Raider fan that lives in L.A I gotta leave hours to before the game starts to make it to sofi. Traffic is horrible at times 🤦🏽♂️
Transit scores for CFL stadiums: BC Place, Vancouver - 100 Percival Molson Memorial Stadium, Montreal - 100 BMO Field, Toronto - 89 McMahon Stadium, Calgary - 64 Commonwealth Stadium, Edmonton - 63 TD Place, Ottawa - 61 Tim Hortons Field, Hamilton - 61 IG Field, Winnipeg - 61 Mosaic Stadium, Regina - 47 Average rating for CFL Stadium is 71.78 with a median of 63. While the average rating for NFL stadiums is 55.1 with a median of 55. One thing to note is that typically NFL stadiums are quite a bit bigger than their CFL counterparts with NHL stadiums ranging from 58,000 to 82,500 while CFl stadium capacity ranges from 20,000 to 56,000. This means it is a bit more difficult to fit NFL stadiums in more urban, transit accessible locations.
@@evangray3077 In 1985, I attended an urban planning conference in Montreal. A woman I met at the conference suggested going to a Montreal Expos game with her. We rode the Metro to the game and back. As a young transportation planner, I learned an important lesson after the game. The station was located a bit away from the ballpark. Thus, after the game, people spread out a bit and did not crowd the Metro station when waiting for the trains. By comparison, during the prior year, I attended a Chicago Cubs game using the L to get to and from Wrigley Field. The station is next to the ball park and after the game was over, there was a long line of fans waiting to get to the train platform. I know it would take more time in producing a video such as this one, but these design details also need to be considered when ranking transit access to major sports arenas.
@@evangray3077McMahon is right on the CTRAIN line which is great. BMO is nowhere near the subway which would be preferable to the infrequent GO TRAIN.
Charlotte is actually going to get better in the near future because they will have an Amtrak train that will go into Downtown connecting the entire state. The station will be about half a mile away from the stadium.
I appreciate the effort behind this video, but the point it ends up making is how horrible using walk score is to make these lists. Detroit above Atlanta? I know that’s what the numbers say, but how in a million years does that make sense? Mercedes Benz stadium, as you pointed out, is directly served by a high capacity frequent subway. There’s literally a station on each side of the stadium, served by both the green and blue lines. I’ve been to several of these stadiums, including the #1 Seattle, and Atlanta wins hands down. Baltimore is really the only one that could be on the same level, but the MARC trains don’t run on Sundays.
AT&T Stadium has Jerry Jones to blame for the lack of transit. I went to see U2 and even my hotel shuttle was kept a mile from the stadium because Jones wants the revenue from parking.
And TRE doesn't even run on Sundays, so you're kinda screwed. The nearest "viable" transit option to get even close to AT&T Stadium from Dallas on Sundays is in Irving - 13 miles away. The crazy part is that DART opened the Orange Line extension between Northwest Dallas and DFW Airport - which runs right past the site of the former Texas Stadium in Irving - about a year or two after the Cowboys moved to Arlington.
@@CreightonRabsputting the new stadium on the site of the old stadium would’ve been as good as you could get for a transit oriented stadium in DFW
@@CreightonRabsas a DART rail operator as well as one who enjoys good urban planning, i literally cringe every time i pass the TX stadium wasteland. It’s so sad that it was almost so good
I believe Arlington is the largest city in the world with no public transit. That isn't Jerry's fault.
@@maybachtruck6008 Don't worry, when Dallas gets a second, AFC, franchise (THIS WILL BE HAPPENING AT SOME POINT, MOST LIKELY RIGHT AFTER JERRY KICKS IT) the new team will most likely play at the Cotton Bowl where there is plenty of public transportation.
The fact that Detroit is ranked number 4 on this list is such a huge indictment on transit accessibility in the U.S. Detroit!? The Motor City? I love my home town, but I’ve never met a single person who has taken transit to a Lions game.
Which actually brings up a decent point: I bet the rankings would be slightly different if it was based on the number of people who actually take transit to the game. Detroit’s overall transit system and massive urban sprawl probably means that even though there are a lot of busses and trains downtown near the stadium, the usage is almost certainly much lower than Chicago or Minneapolis.
But I’m sure Dallas would still be last. 😅
Transit to Ford Field is solid if you live in the City or the Woodward/Gratiot/Michigan suburbs, though you have to deal with the reliability problems that plague all Detroit transit (except, ironically, the People Mover). And if you live anywhere else in the Metro, there's either no practical option or literally no option at all.
Plus, there's basically no culture of taking transit in Metro Detroit. I would venture that the vast majority of people taking transit to Ford Field on a home game Sunday are 1) low income stadium or hospitality workers with no other option and 2) suburbanites who drove into the City and found cheap parking along the QLine or People Mover routes.
I feel like there's a lot of others that would be more accurate and reordered with a look like you described for Detroit and looked at it from more of regional connectivity viewpoint. Except for many the best and worst two being DAL and KC. Also Baltimore's Commuter Rail MARC doesn't run on weekends so that would lower their score, although they still have a reliable LRT at the stadium.
Yes 100%. As someone who's from Philly, but lives in Detroit currently, I think this ranking doesn't take quite the right things into account. Like, is it actually accessible by transit if it's so inconvenient to take the transit in the first place? Like where is it accessible by transit from? From my house in Detroit? Absolutely not. From my house in Philly? 1000x better.
Yeah the Detroit ranking is definitely off. Public transit in Metro Detroit sucks. I wonder what metrics he used for these rankings
Yeah, this was very shocking. Detroit's mass transit is so garbage, ESPECIALLY on a game days.
The light rail runs in traffic without priority in a 3-mile straight line, the People Mover meanders a 1-way loop around the edge of downtown, and the bus system just isn't robust and reliable enough to be considered good.
The Seahawks Stadium is also served by 3 Amtrak routes (Cascades, Coast Starlight, Empire Builder)
I imagine a total of 0 people are Amtraken to a game. The Sound Metro will bring plenty of folks, when it’s finally done! My parents live in Seattle is how I know, and I can’t talk much shit as Vegas sucks too for Transit.
@loC2ol Not a Seahawks game, but earlier this year I rode amtrak down and there were a number of people riding for a Mariners game. They were all super hyped and fun to talk to.
And the ferries and water taxi terminals are about a half mile walk from the stadium!
@@loC2ol bro you gotta catch the train from vancouver when the jays play in town, the level of drinking is crazy
But no one is taking the Empire Builder or Coast Starlight to the games in Seattle. 😂🤣😂🤣
Seattle's ranking on this is well deserved, but honestly, shoutout to them to rejecting the subway so the money was given to Atlanta for MARTA! Besides the well-designed MARTA rail system, I just love the design of Mercedes-Benz Stadium! HOK, who worked on the stadium, were inspired by the oculus within Rome’s ancient Pantheon for the roof. The stadium’s signature roof is composed of eight 220-foot-long “petals.” Activated by the push of a button, the petals appear to rotate when opening but actually move in unison along 16 linear tracks. The roof fully opens in eight minutes and closes in seven. And its facade with alternating insulated metal and ETFE panels was inspired by the shape of a falcon’s wing!
Surprise to no one that Minneapolis is in the top-three too! The light-rail's coverage is wonderful, whether you're going to the state capitol at St. Paul or to Mall of America for shopping and theme park fun. The stadium looks like a viking ship, but the actual inspiration was the jagged rocks that formed the nearby cataract known as St. Anthony Falls and the ice shards that pile up on the edges of Minnesota lakes as they freeze, thaw, and refreeze in winter. The roof was done with 60 percent Ethylene tetrafluoroethylene, and inspired by Nordic vernacular architecture, allows the stadium to endure heavy snow loads as the snow moves into a heated gutter and drains into the Mississippi.
As someone that lives in Seattle, I’m so sad the city rejected the subway, nuts to me!
Philadelphia should have ranked higher - or at least in the top 10 - because that Broad Street Line pretty much connects with most of the major Regional Rail and rail transit lines through Center City Philadelphia.
I'd also say that San Francisco/Santa Clara should've also been closer to the top 10 because VTA rail and CalTrain connections. Same with Denver because of RTD rail connections from Union Station and several nearby bus routes serving Downtown Denver.
I'm not sold on Detroit or Cincinnati being in the top 10 as those are more bus-oriented transit systems. Nor am I sold on Baltimore being ranked second; yes, you do have Northeast Corridor connections, but those require a transfer to the light rail system and you have to go through a very sketchy stretch of Downtown Baltimore.
the video's creator says he's using walking score at the beginning and it shows. Having been to a Seahawks and Ravens game, he needed to account for the limitations of the entire system, both of which are not great. Seattle fans use transit, partially because the parking near the stadium as atrocious, and the public transit near Ravens games are not actually easier than driving. Lions have access, but the transit is poor even on game days, and his pimping of the Bears games is not reflective of the long ass distance you need to walk from the CTA connections, as the Metra connections are not exactly easy for game day. This list was all "possible" connection, and not practical connection.
@@cmattsun Chicago's "last mile connections" from most METRA stations involved shuttle bus routes from Union Station and other terminals to Soldier Field, where they'd likely be stuck in the same traffic on Lake Shore Drive.
100% percent with the Philly comment. The BSL can hold a ton of people, much more than slow moving, smaller sized light rail lines. And yes, it also connects up with all the other rail lines so you have a huge number of people who can take it in the suburbs of PA or South Jersey (which I did).
@@mcfalciayea BSL reconnecting to NJ completely changes this score.
Eh.. I don’t know, not sure how Denver and Phila. possibly got beat out by Nashville, Cincinnati, and Detroit. It seems that quality, frequency, and reach of transit took a back seat to total number of transit lines within a certain proximity, no matter how infrequent or or impractical.
Denver’s Mile High has two nearby light rail stations (within 1/3 mile) on 3 light rail lines (though one is still on a temporary Covid suspension) that frequently and directly connect to southern and western parts of the city. With one transfer, you can connect to many other parts of the city on rail. There are also several frequent bus lines on the two major nearby cross streets, Colfax and Federal.
Philadelphia, while sadly surrounded by a moat of parking, is directly connected to very frequent heavy rail service on the Broad Street line. I would rate this on a whole different scale than any new fangled modern streetcar.
Cincinnati and Detroit are connected to essentially useless streetcar lines (unless you are trying to just get to the other side of downtown) and several infrequent bus lines. Nashville is almost a half mile from a train station that runs, what, 7 trains a day to some random far flung suburbs and some infrequent bus lines.
I do appreciate the effort and I like your content. I just think some very important variables, like how useful the transit actually is, may have been missed.
Yeah, I kept on thinking how low many of the stadiums I know would rank on this list because the score seems to heavily favor having a lot of lines very close to the stadium instead of one good one.
My cities stadium would have been at the very bottom, being served by a gameday only tram line and bus shuttle both requiring a few hundred meters walk. At all other times there’s only a tram station about a mile away being served. But, the stadium line runs at a 1-5min frequency starting 2h before games from the main train station via the main transfer station and at an absolutely insane
Ravens fan here. The MARC Camden line only runs Monday through Friday and primarily serves as a commuter train to DC. It’s not feasible for attending Ravens or Orioles games, which is a shame because the stadiums are right there. They are, however, a short light rail or bus ride away from Penn Station. Nice vid
Definitely a shame how underutilized the Camden line is. That being said, even though it doesn't work for getting to the game, that doesn't stop people from using it anyway. I have friends who use it to get to the games, and then take Amtrak back to DC in the evening. I even once saw some ravens fans board at St Dennis of all places. No clue how they planned to get back after the game, lol.
I 've taken the Camden Line to an O's game exactly one time (nearly 30 years ago) and that was because I'd taken the Penn Line to work in DC that morning. MDOT MTA is studying a connector line between the Penn and Camden lines, which, if built, will connect those two lines and may make taking regional (commuter) rail to O's and Ravens game feasible. They're also studying the Red Line and if that gets built, there will be another major transit connection in the Camden Yards area.
When Oriole Park opened up, MARC had special service to Orioles games from Union Station, the problem was that they couldn't guarantee that it would get back to DC in time to connect to the last Metro train in DC. Also CSX freight was more valuable to carry. I did take the MARC Camden Line from Union Station for the Ravens Super Bowl 35 Rally at the Stadiun which one of the best moved I did, only drawback was I had to wait until 4 pm for the Southbound train to Dc but it was better than the overcrowded light rail that day
Also with light rail, it doesn't have the capacity.
I’m a ravens fan in the DMV and I’ve been begging MARC to operate on weekends!! It would take care of 90% of my need for a car!
Gillette is definitely underrated on Transit score, while 99% of the time it's basically impossible to get to, having timed trains to downtown boston is fairly convenient (if only they ran those trains for Revs games)
Nobody cares about them here
I think an important factor in these rankings is how close the stadium is to downtown. Naturally the stadiums that are downtown will be easier to get to than some place like Gilette that's 20+ miles outside of the city.
Both trains, Boston and Providence, are always full on game day. The larger issue is that it's only one train each way. If they ran them every half hour as express (say from South Attleboro and 128) you would increase ridership. The one hour before and half hour afterwards isn't ideal
One downside of Cleveland's transit to Browns Stadium is that the blue/green line going to the stadium is a light rail line while the red line linking the airport to downtown and east side is heavy rail thus requiring a transfer at Tower City / Public Square. However RTA will be introducing new Siemens equipment in 2023 which can service both light rail and heavy rail lines... it's possible then that RTA might introduce a GameDay express/limited line that'll allow direct service from the heavy rail red line to the stadium.
that would be sick, I hate getting the transfer at tower city so much lol
Levi’s stadium deserves more credit since the light rail system does connect with Caltrain, BART, Capitol Corridor and Multiple VTA lines
I've taken transit to Levi's. One hour from San Franicsco to Mountain View via Caltrain. Then another hour transferring and taking the extremely slow VTA. Maybe convenient if you lived in the Silicon Valley.
In Pittsburgh, it's very cool to see people pouring out of the light rail station to see football and baseball games ... or walking over one of the Allegheny River bridges to/from a downtown pub before/after a game (to be fair, that's more often about baseball and the warm weather, but ...). Not to mention the fact that light rail from downtown to the two north shore stadiums is completely free of charge.
Soldier field being a factory of sadness is an understatement
Bias but I think Philly is a little better than this list says since people from the suburbs can take the regional rail to center city then transfer. It’s faster and more predictable than driving when you factor in traffic.
my exact thoughts as a south jersey resident i take patco to the bsl for any event i go to down there honestly its mostly sixers and flyers games eagles are just too expensive
Exactly what I was gonna comment, plus it’s also accessible from the NE corridor from 30th then Hop on the market Frankfort then transfer at center city.
I live in NYC & go down to Philadelphia to see NBA games via NJ Transit Rail. I don’t even have to go outside until I get to Pattison Station.
@@noahmaez6450 And if your train stops at north Philadelphia, you get one less transfer you need.
I wish PATCO had built the three lines instead of just 1 for more east and South coverage, or better yet had a line on or under the Walt (in addition to the Ben) with stadium and Airport access. While the broad street connection is admittedly convenient and underrated, a south Philly tunnel or bridge crossing would definitely get more people from South Jersey out of their cars and onto transit to the games
Cincinnati may have busses and a streetcar, but 95% of people still drive to the stadium. The busses have alternate routes on gamedays and frequently get stuck in traffic and the streetcar really only connects the north end of downtown to the south end. The number of people taking the streetcar to the game would have to be under a thousand. Also we made back to back AFC Championship games.
I don't watch or care for football at all, but I live in downtown Seattle, don't own a car, and ride transit daily. I felt like I won the trophy here! Ha! Nice list!
Are you a sounders fan? I think they play in lumen field too
I was in Seattle last week (and attended the game on Thanksgiving). We stayed in the South Lake Union area and did not have a car. We found it fairly easy to get to all of the places we wanted to visit using public transportation which was mostly clean and felt safe. Really the only time we felt unsafe was when it got dark, around 5pm, and found ourselves waiting for a bus at 3rd and Pike. Ended up ubering out of there.
Seattle has built out a pretty decent (for American standards) public transit network. What surprised me was how few people appear to actually be paying to use it. I estimated probably about 25% were tapping or scanning. Not sure how sustainable that is.
Took the transit multiple times to US. Bank in Minneapolis multiple times, quick access to the stadium, we get on at the Mall of America in Bloomington, and it takes us all the way downtown in 30 mins, or less.
Idk if they still do this. The last time I went to a Vikings game. They also had dedicated busses to take fans away from the stadium in case the Metro was full and still included as part of your Metro ticket purchase.
I love that the Falcons stadium is MARTA accessible yet Truist Park is in Cobb County on purpose. Great way to say F.U. to the people of Atlanta.
Turner Field was literally by Five Points!
Don't worry we might get an NHL team just north of Alpharetta.
Marta who?
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@@sunny1992s no it wasn’t. The closest station was GA State. MARTA would run a fleet of shuttles from 5pts for overflow since GA would have a hard time handling that many people. The worst case scenario you’d walk a 1/4 mile from the station. Of course, the Braves made their decision not due to transit accessibility or anything else other than they had the opportunity to bilk a local government into handing over billions in revenue.
@@tone_bone Really? Why would the NHL give Atlanta another chance when it couldn't support the (former) NHL team it had? There are more deserving cities.
I felt that taking transit to Sofi and Denver was a better option than driving, especially when leaving. Instead of waiting in traffic for up to an hour, you hop right on the shuttle/train in about 10 minutes after the game and you’re gone. Plus you can have a few more drinks at the game and not have to worry
I absolutely agree with MetLife Stadium's ranking here. The Meadowlands Sports Complex feels like NJ's Arlington TX with how car-oriented the sports complex is. Of course there's a train station right there, built in 2009 in anticipation of hosting a Super Bowl, which it did in 2014, but the concept was done horribly. They called it the "Mass Transit Super Bowl", and it was a nightmare because the line couldn't handle the overcrowding. It sounded good on paper, as Secaucus would get improvements to its platforms and even Amtrak planned on stopping trains at Secaucus Junction too for game day. The Meadowlands Rail Line acts as a spur line via a wye off of the Pascack Valley Line, and it's not even electrified.
After the game ended, more than 33,000 people took the shuttle at Meadowlands back to Secaucus, far over the Meadowlands station's regular operating capacity. At one point, fans were even asked to remain inside the stadium until more trains were dispatched to load passengers from the station. I look at its location and think to myself, "Man I wish West Side Stadium was built" because while I know it was meant to be just for the Jets, that would've been the perfect NYC football stadium with it being so close to NY Penn and not to mention easy subway access. If it was built, NYC would've won the 2012 Summer Olympics. So why wasn't it built? Let's just say a certain famous arena was against another major venue being so close to them.
NJT and Coach USA wasn't allowed to provide the normal bus services because the NFL banned them for the Super Bowl. Since the American Dream Mall opened they now have 5 regular local bus routes that run every 30 min at minimum and usually every 15 minutes on Sunday game days. 2 Hours before the game and 1 hour after the game 3 of those routes also service the Stadium itself and the nearby Meadowlands racetrack.
why did they do that?@@johnsamoilis6379
Imagine how much easier it would've been had they built the West Side Stadium
@@PhantomThiefOfSportseasier for who? Those who live in LI or Manhattan? Those in NJ and Westchester love to tailgate. There would be no tailgating for a West side stadium
It definitely would've been a great help had the WSS was built, especially with all the transit options nearby.
I’d love to see this for MLB.
Glad to see Baltimore finally rank towards the top of some urbanist list! And honestly, in addition to LRT, MARC Regional Rail, and locals buses, the walk from the closest Metro station on our line Metro line isn't that bad either and many use it to get to Orioles and Ravens games alike.
Also when the MTA was forced to drop bus service to M&T, the Ravens got private bus companies to provide the service although they doubled the fare.
Seattle has an Amtrak train that serves all the stations south to Portland on game day, and it's timed to suit the normal 1 PM game time. And the stadium is even within walking distance of the Puget Sound ferry terminal!
About halfway through I knew Seattle was going to be number 1 as a local, but to have a 100 is something to be proud of! Dope video
Being able to get to Seahawks games via train is awesome especially since there’s a stop by my house and it’s pretty far away from Seattle! The atmosphere riding back from a win is also great, not so much after a loss though 😅
I grew up near Bremerton, so we always ferried over to Mariners games
I’m surprised that the 49ers’ stadium isn’t higher. If you’re going to Levi’s Stadium by public transit you can take CalTrain on the San Francisco Peninsula or BART in the East Bay, both connect to the VTA Light Rail Line that has a station by the stadium. If you are coming from Sacramento, you can take the Capital Corridor train to the Levi’s Stadium station. There are also local busses.
I thought this was MLB for a sec, almost spit out my turkey. I lived near 4th and king and SF does an incredible job at getting hordes of people to the stadium
@@erikawwad7653 The good thing about the SF Giants stadium is that it is actually in San Francisco and required practically no public funds to construct.
@@erikawwad7653 oracle is probably top 3 mlb stadium in terms of urbanism, behind wrigly and fenway of course
@@barryrobbins7694 same with the warriors. who literally play down the street (3rd street) and are both served by the T line
@@Jorge.2004Poor Oakland, they used to have three teams at one BART station.
I’d personally put Philly up higher, the broad street line runs every 8 minutes or less for game days and there are even special express trains that run directly from walnut-locust. Having been to many of the other cities in the list, the frequency, capacity, and share of fans who use the bsl alone should put it in the top 10 easily. Plus the speed of bsl and it’s connections to other transit definitely beat traffic, especially including regional rail and patco. Buses have a fatal flaw over the bsl: they also get caught in traffic.
That said, Philly could easily eclipse everyone if they were allowed to use the csx tracks that are right on the other side of 95.
I’d put Seattle, Baltimore, Cleveland, Chicago, Atlanta, maybe Pittsburgh, and maybe Minneapolis ahead of Philly, but it should easily be top 5 imo despite the limited routes.
If the commanders move back to the site of RFK, they’d be ahead as well.
Ooh will you be doing one for NBA/NHL stadiums as well?
Possibly 🤔🤔🤔
the interesting factor being cities on this list already with stadiums for those other sports adjacent to the other stadiums arenas, example philadelphia, all 4 pro sports teams play in the same exact area, each connection there is exactly the same
top 5 for NBA would easily be the New York teams, Toronto, DC and Boston. i’d prob put Toronto at number 1 just cuz people don’t have to worry about dealing with the annoying transfers between two central hub stations (ie New York and Boston) and potentially wasting a lot of time since these transfer trains get hella packed. Washingtons flaw is that it’s a 20 minute walk to the Union Station for Amtrak, whereas with Boston, Knicks and Toronto the arenas are connected to the main stations
@@climateandtransit please do mlb and nba. i need to see my teams (giants and warriors) do good after seeing my niners so low on here
@@jakestar121 san francisco would crack top 5 probably
Atlanta's MBS should be #1 or 2. It's served by two heavy rail stations with close proximity to the central station
I really don’t understand how you have Atlanta at #5 when it has two whole subways stations (the other is Vine City directly across the street) and has allowed for a nearly car free game day experience INCLUDING A BIKE VALET
It’s because he just based it on the “transit score” number on walk score. That metric is OK, but not super accurate. For example, it counts a streetcar stop the same as a subway stop, but we all know how much faster a subway is and how it can hold more people.
I feel like Sofi is underrated. The train is about a 15-20 minute walk and will improve with a people mover.
That’s true but I catching the train here in L.A is easy but! They take forever! I ride the gold line often during the week and trains pass every 10 to 15 minutes but during the weekend (Sunday) it runs every 15 or 20 minutes. MTA get on it!
Don’t forget that there is game day boat service for Acrisure. You can park down the river and the Gateway clippers have a service right to the river side of the stadium. It’s a beautiful and unique way to get to a game, highly recommend it.
In DC there is a bus line, the F14 that actually goes to the stadium but not to the closest station. In addition it only runs Monday-Saturday making it irrelevant to football games and the other lines only serve the neighborhoods around the stadium not the stadium itself
I remember they use to have bus shuttles from Addison Road and Landover and Addison Metro Stations to FedEx Field, WMATA dropped it when there was a ruling that public transit system that provided special services was a Charter, Im pretty sure they could have gotten a waiver but Snyder don't care one bit
Im actually surprised that Denver got such a low score. It has a detected light rail station along with buses, and bus routes just for the games. There is also a transit hub station about 3/4 mile away as well. If you ever want to see a sports game in Denver public transportation is a great option to get you there!
Philly should be ranked much higher. With the Broad St Subway station right by the feld.
facts i always take patco from south jersey then the bsl down there. love seeing all the fellow fans on the train.
Fun Fact About Miami is that they are supposedly expanding their Metro lines to the Hard Rock Stadium (Where the Dolphins play). They expedited it so that construction starts in 2024, so we’ll see what happens!
As a Dallas Area Rapid Transit rail operator, we always talk about how stupid it was for them to put AT&T stadium in Arlington where they vote to not support rail infrastructure and the tax that’d come with it. Such a missed opportunity and it really makes me sad to pass right by the old site of the cowboys stadium on the Dart rail Orange line where it could’ve been such a great connection. I skipped past this video a few times bc i knew how poorly Dallas would do, and wouldn’t you know that it’s actually the worst in the country. It really does suck because people would ride. The American Airlines Center is downtown in Victory Park and has its own station and on Dallas Stars hockey game days as well as Mavericks basketball, the trains are often packed with fans and we coordinate special event trains for things that take place at that arena. The cowboys would draw an enormous crowd. I digress, hopefully Arlington gets the picture one day while I’m still living lol
I am from Baltimore. I live in Glen Burnie, Maryland. South from Baltimore. I am proud of my state and city making it to #2. Both Hamburg Street and Camden Station / Camden Yards stations serve both the Baltimore Ravens and Orioles stadiums. Nice to see this.
Nashville's Music City Star was so much fun to ride when I visited, that city has so much potential when it comes to transit.
Houston’s one is actually quite good to the point where even when I have a media pass I’ll use it.
I don't know if this counts, but in Pittsburgh, the Gateway Clipper, a private river boat company, runs a boat shuttle from Station Square, on the south side, to the stadiums on the north shore on game days when river conditions allow.
Good point!
As a Clevelander, HOW THE HECK DID WE GET ON A TOP TEN LIST FOR ANYTHING POSITIVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!??!!???????!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!!? Still, not complaing. Great video btw!
"my own personal factory of sadness" lmao
My only guess as to NY ranking lower is because the meadowlands trail link requires a transfer in Secaucus which connects all of NJ Transit rail (except the Atlantic City line), and dedicated buses from the Port Authority Bus Terminal. So one if not more transfers are required. Secaucus can provide through running of LIRR trains and trains from the New Haven line of Metro-North.
Not the best, but it's better than many.
I saw that with the rail upgrades and new tunnel under the Hudson River NJT is planning to to build a loop track so that trains from Penn Station can go direct to the stadium without a transfer. This will really help with the possibility of through running trains from other lines (mainly Metro North) into New Jersey.
Secaucus junction does not connect to the Raritan Valley line either. So travelers on that line have to connect in Newark and then again in Secaucus. Some of the last stops on the Raritan valley line however border "Eagles" territory and those fans drive to a NEC station and go to Trenton and connect to SEPTA to go Eagles games.
New England has direct commuter rail connections from South Station while the Meadowlands requires a change at Secaucus Jct. I don’t understand how Philadelphia ranks so low when they run local and express Broad Street Subway service. I’d love to see a re-ranking with actual seating capacity and see how the heavy rail options in the NE (and on-site) compare to a bunch of bus lines or a mile walk from the closest rail options.
Pittsburgh has the light rail connection which is great, but the issue is the frequency. The frequency really gets cut at night and on Sundays, which is exactly when the games are. It's a real shame
There’s something else to note in New Orleans it’s really easy to walk from the Superdome to Bourbon Street after Saint victory, or basically access any words in the city from the dome.
Funny anecdote, the International/China Town Station is actually slightly closer to Luman Field than the Stadiums Station.
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So, AZ did pretty poorly, but i'm just glad they have something [and in that something, it only takes 2 transit rides after leaving the airport (3 if you include PHX Sky Train) to get to State Farm Stadium. The hardest part for me is how far the walk is from "Glendale @ 95th" to the stadium, but it's not as bad for me as it is for locals since i can walk part of that distance to the hotel, and finish the walk on gameday]. Hearing from another commenter that Jerry Chokes is so insistent about people paying for parking to the point where hotel shuttles couldn't drop them off within a mile of the stadium makes me so glad to not be a Cowboys fan. If i'm a Cowboys fan, then i'm the customer, and Jerry Chokes is nothing more than a worker. No matter how important he is to the Cowboys, i and all other fans are more important, and we are entitled to be treated as such, even if that means the team only makes $999.99M on gameday instead of $1B because most of the people attending took transit to the stadium instead of driving and paying for parking. If i was a Cowboys fan, i'd be looking to quit on this team over failed ownership like i did with John Fisher and the Oakland A's, an earned betrayal that lead me to follow Matt Olson to the Braves Country, another place that isn't too great for transit access as far as stadiums go.
5:45 “Oh he hits the upright again!! That’s IMPOSSIBLE!!!”
The only good thing about the Coliseum was being able to take BART there and tailgate.
Adding more info to Detroit transit connection to all of their stadiums(because Little Caesar's Arena is maybe 2 blocks away from Ford Field and Comerica): the reason we rank so high is because the great frequency of buses and the Qline(streetcar) along Woodward Ave. Qline is every 15 minutes plus the most frequent bus line in the city (4 Woodward) which is every 15-20 minutes the bulk of any day. And along the Woodward corridor from the suburbs not to mention the people mover lol.
That's all to say Woodward is covered, but to actually get to Woodward Ave(vertical street that divides east and west sides of the city starting from downtown which is the southern base of the metro area since south of that is Detroit River and Windsor, ON, Canada) is difficult and/or time consuming. Most bus lines run every 45min-1hour and my experience lately is that they have been often at least 10min late if not 20. This is my perspective living in the city but not near downtown.
Frequency can be more and obviously reliability is another thing but there is potential for improvement if people are open to it, biking is getting a lot better over the next decade too, but at least Detroit transit is some of the cheapest you'll find and it works...mostly.😅 I took 2 buses to the Pistons game yesterday and it was pretty good although late at night coming back, buses are even more infrequent. I knew Detroit would be good on this list but I was wondering if I missed it when the video got deeper into the top 10 haha
The only problem with Denver’s RTD stop is that they drop you on the other side of the interstate, you gotta walk through alleyways and drainage ditches to get to the stadium, and if a train is crossing, you’re stuck, luckily there is another stop a bit farther but it’s less crowded and no stops
I feel like these rankings are more based on how close stadiums are to their urban centers and number of transit links rather than the quality of those connections.
While MetLife Stadium is out in the middle of nowhere and the NJ Transit link isn't perfect, it connects the stadium to Secaucus for NJ Transit and Penn Station in NYC where fans can reach the NYC Subway, LIRR, and special Metro North services connecting pretty much all of the NYC Metro Area. There are also additional buses that link the stadium with Port Authority and additional points.
The newly opened American dream mall has permanent local bus routes which run on gamedays. Its only a 5 min walk from Metlife Stadium with fares starting at 1.60 each way and NJT just added tap to pay NFC tech on their buses. I park in the town of East Rutherford for Giants games and take the bus to/from the stadium for a total of 3.20 and I avoid the traffic after the game.
I imagine if you did rankings on the other major US sport leagues, Phoenix would rank a lot higher. The MLB and NBA stadiums are in downtown (both stadiums are right next to the 3rd St/Jefferson and 3rd St/Washington light rail station couplet, though it would be nice if express buses ran game day service as well), and the NHL team plays at the ASU Tempe campus hockey stadium, which is right next to the Veterans Way/College Ave station (granted, the Coyotes are only playing there until they can get a new stadium, as Glendale evicted the team a few years ago due to constant financial issues).
I went to AT&T stadium back in October for Patriots Cowboys & i had absolutely zero problems getting in or out.
Have you done one of these for major league baseball? I am surprised that Philadelphia ranked so low. I wouldn't dream of driving to a Phillies, Eagles, Flyers, or 76ers game or an arena concert with the Broad Street Subway available.
Houston transit enthusiasts can go to sleep peacefully tonight
For Buffalo, NFTA runs multiple express bus lines to Highmark Stadium. There’s provisions for Light Rail via an abandoned freight line
Can you do NHL arenas and their transit plz next
Metlife is kind of in the middle of nowhere, so I don't expect them to have much. If we looked at MLB stadiums on the other hand, New York would probably be in the top 5 because of Yankee and Citi Field. Those two are connected to major subway lines 4 and 7, bus networks, and commuter rail (MNR Hudson Line, and LIRR Port Washington Line). In addition, NYC promotes the use of public transit by using older, retired rolling stock in rare events.
'It's easy to see Kurt Cousins playing incredibly mid football without a car" 🤣
Took the Link Light Rail out to see the Hawks during a blizzard, no problems whatsoever! Go hawks!
If Washington moved back to RFK stadium getting there would be super convenient. They can now that DC United has their own stadium.
Right now, after you get off at Morgan Blvd, you have to walk a mile down a narrow sidewalk that is not made for the amounts of people who take metro to FedEx field games. It is worth mentioning there are a few bus routes that run near to FedEx field, but none are very frequent or have good metro connections. They also only take you half a mile away. I believe having heavy rail alone puts it a little higher on this list but still not great.
The new proposal Commanders stadium will be a dome and will hold 55000 fans
On the bright side, Miami is (finally) expanding the Metrorail to connect to Hard Rock Stadium in anticipation of the world cup, so that should move us way up the list
Can concur about State Farm Stadium (Cardinals). Usually takes a couple buses to get to Westgate (Glendale's entertainment district), even from within the West Valley. Sun Devil Stadium (Ok, fine.. Mountain America Credit Union Stadium or whatever nowadays) is perfect for transit, since it sits right outside the Veterans Way/ASU stop for light rail.
Sun Devil Stadium only has college football games, as far as I’m aware. Though the Tempe transit center is also right next to the light rail station. Also, I wonder who actually refers to Sun Devil Stadium by its new name.
@@grahamturner2640 They did have the Alliance of American Football in 2019 with the Arizona Hotshots (which I was a season ticket holder) until the league folded a couple months after its start, due to financial mismanagement. It was also the initial home of the then-Phoenix Cardinals from their move out of St. Louis in 1987 until the now-State Farm Stadium opened in the 2000's.
I was also thinking about making a video like this, but I think you did a better job that I could have.
As a Canadian, something that interests me about the USA is tailgating culture. We don't really have that up here, but I think it's indicative that people like having a social atmosphere before games. That's why I love when teams like the Atlanta Braves and Milwaukee Bucks create districts around their stadiums.
And of course, having access to transit nearby is hugely beneficial when you're talking about the literal tens of thousands of people that NFL games attract. I don't think anyone likes having to wait for a traffic jam when leaving.
I wasn't surprised to see you ranked Seattle at the top, but speaking from personal experience, having a surface-level light rail stop with a level-crossing entrance is kind of a nightmare from a crowd management standpoint. Sure, one could just easily walk to another stop or take another form of transit, but the Stadium station on link does a LOT of the heavy lifting for that area whereas heavy rail should be doing that. Seattle should have built a metro instead of a light rail line, but I guess what's done is done (Link expansion can't come soon enough). Lumen field is still in a much better location that most NFL venues and it's definitely a great venue to visit.
Great video as always, and go Steelers. ⬛🟨
one of the stadiums in my city has all the nearby bus stops closed and routes diverted during events to make more room for cars going to the event. In fact its A & T stadium, the one you mentioned. The transit agency is even banned from operating buses there, at request of the stadium, who want to exclusively charge for parking.
LETS GO PITTSBURGH!!!!! MADE IT TO THE THUMBNAIL!! 💛💛🖤💛🖤💛🖤💛🗣️💯‼️🦅🦅
If you had took the time to roast on the Raiders, i would not have blamed you. The Coliseum was/ is prime in transit. You had Capitol Corridor station (endpoints being San Jose and Sacramento) right outside the premises, multiple AC Transit connections to BART which was across the street and has three connecting lines at that one station. It was right off the 880 freeway and BART has a people mover connected to the Oakland Airport. You could theoretically just pay for a roundtrip flight for the game alone.
so if you plan on doing an MLB version of this, i hope it helps.
Philadelphia regional rail+ subway makes a only-train game day commute possible for so many people. People from NYC, South Jersey, Delaware and deep into the Philly suburbs. Most of the cities listed about Philly can't promise anything close to that.
I know it's nfl but Seattle has access for near all of its main draws sports wise. Seahawks, Mariners sounders and uw sports are all on the light rail with bus and shuttle for all of them. plus the amtrak lines for most and easy connection to light rail from amtrak. I've never taken transit to climate pledge but id imagine light rail then bus/walk/or monorail is viable.
And in 15 years light rail will finally reach Seattle center lol
The fact Detroit scored so high is hilarious and also sad.
Do one for every college football bowl game. It will be funny to see Quick Lane Bowl (Ford Field) beat some of the marquee big time games (such as the Cotton Bowl being played at Jerry World)
Dude how on Earth is Philly ranked so low? The NRG Broad Street Line station is literally 0.5 miles away from Lincoln Financial Field. It’s a 10 minute walk..
With 20k+ first class hotel rooms and countless bars and restaurants within one mile of the Superdome in New Orleans, living downtown or in the French Quarter, you can just walk to the games. Plan ahead though, as you may want to make several “beverage stops” on the way, but don’t fear missing the kickoff…..you can take your drinks “to go” as it is legal to drink on the streets, as long as you use plastic cups and no glassware or bottles.
I've never been to Lumin field for football but I have for concerts and the 1 and only line is so convenient.
Seattle ranking top of the list was a little bit of a surprise. I thought other city was better but good job Seattle for prioritizing transit for big events. The light rail had a record of 137,000 riders in a day when they had big events over July 2023.
Can we get a NHL stadium version of this?
Where did you get these scores, cause metlife isn't hard to access by transit
Indy did better than I expected. I think it's only because our stadium is downtown and kind of near the new Red Line (our first BRT line). The transit overall in Indy is wretched, even with all the improvements they are making. The ones below us were more suburban stadiums with huge parking lots.
Like the narrator said, we have NO local rail transit in Indy. No light rail, no subway, no elevated train, no People Mover, no commuter rail. The only rail of any kind is an Amtrak line that departs once a day to Chicago. BRT is as rapid as it gets here. Right now, we only have one BRT line, but a second is under construction, and a third is in the planning and design phase. Even when all that is done, it won't be nearly enough, but at least they're trying.
As someone who lives in Chicago, I will point out rn that if the Beats do move into Arlington Heights, the Metra UPNW is in for a big show…
What is funny about the Arlington part is that TRE doesn't even run on Sundays lol 😆
I think you're ranking philly too low. the walkscore rating is artificially bad because the entire sports complex is a mass of parking, but it's the only stadium in the country other than soldier field that has a heavy rail subway stop next to it. Stuff like a density of buses or light rail lines is *nice*, but especially streetcars and buses are barely functional around a game because they operate in mixed traffic
For philly, you're a maximum of a two seat ride to the stadium from anywhere in the entire region if you live near regional rail - the regional trains connect seamlessly with the subway. yes there's technically only one stop providing access, but it's on the highest capacity subway line in America outside of NYC, which counts for much more than having multiple streetcar lines
Atlanta also has heavy Metro rail by their stadium as well.
2:08 The MBTA also now runs regular trains to Foxboro on weekdays, in addition to the game and event day trains.
There's no way that Philly is Below Nashville, Detroit, Cincinnati or Chicago for that matter - Subway is Direct to Stadium and most importantly - suburbs have great connectivity. Tell me how many people from the inner city go to lions games compared to those who drive in from the burbs. List is HIGHLY Subjective.
Philly has 1 transit connection Chicago has 4. Detroit climbs the list due to its bus connections
@@climateandtransit i live in new jersey and easily take the patco to the bsl to the stadiums.
@climateandtransit what I would say in response to this (Philly resident) is the reach, speed, and capacity of the Broad Street Line. It can REALLY carry a lot of people. So while Philly may not have as many lines connecting to the stadiums, it is a really high quality line that connects to a lot of other lines (MFL, PATCO, Regional Rail)
this list really should’ve considered both who is going to games and the quality of transit to the games, most of the bears fans are from the suburbs so if they were to take transit they’d be riding on metra, and chicago does have an express bus from union station for gameday, but the metra schedules themselves can be really rough, schedules can be poor or even non existent on weekends
@@climateandtransit all i'm saying is this list is far from comprehensive if you don't look beneath the surface
Detroit stadiums are right off Wodward transit lines.The Q-line Street car and the Woodward express FAST buses 461 and 462 and DDOT #4 drop off and pickup right in front of Little Cears arena,Tiger stadium but Ford Field is a small walk right behind Tiger Stadium.You can definitely park in suburbs and ride the FAST routes to the stadiums the problem is frequency especially after 10pm.
Hmm, Indianapolis Red Line BRT does serve some important destinations such as the Indianapolis Children’s Musem, IvyTech College, the Indiana State Capitol, Downtown Indianapolis, the University of Indianapolis, and, a 12 minute walk from Statehouse Station, the Lucas Oil Stadium. So maybe those planners actually knew what they were doing.
Surprised Mile High didn't make the list. The light rail station is very reliable on gamedays and has very easy access, although it is a pretty far walk from the station to the stadium so I kind of get it.
It just missed the cutoff for top 10
@@climateandtransit light rail is banned in indiana because it would violate car dependency
Cowboys fan living in Arizona of course both scored last.
In Tucson, years ago, during the football and basketball games. The local city bus service used to run shuttle buses coming in from all over town usually from mall or shopping center parking lots to the University of Arizona on game day. On top of the streetcar and existing bus lines. Unfortunately, the shuttle busses are gone.
Don't you guys have a light rail system now?
@@SetheMan We do but it goes nowhere near Cardinals stadium. Plus the City of Glendale opposed an expansion of the light-rail in their city.
Nashvillian here -- we're trying. Thanks for taking that into account!!
I was surprised to see a smaller market city like Nashville ranked so high. No offense, ,but I'm not so sure it's deserved.
Seattle also has the ferry ⛴️
Please make one involving MLB baseball stadiums!
I don't know if this is already in the works or not, but i'd definetely like to see something like this for the NHL, NBA, and MLB [and maybe redo NFL and at an even later time the other 3 major leagues for getting to stadiums from intercity transit options (which would mainly be airports and Amtrak Stations) for Tourists, out of town fans (like me with the Cardinals, Kings, and Braves), and visiting fans]
Philly is easily top 5. The subway a block away can load 40k people an hour after games and links to every rail transit
Thanks for sharing! As a new traveling fan. This video is helpful when I plan my visit to see other football and baseball stadiums. As a Raider fan that lives in L.A I gotta leave hours to before the game starts to make it to sofi. Traffic is horrible at times 🤦🏽♂️
I wonder how Canadian stadiums would rank for transit
Transit scores for CFL stadiums:
BC Place, Vancouver - 100
Percival Molson Memorial Stadium, Montreal - 100
BMO Field, Toronto - 89
McMahon Stadium, Calgary - 64
Commonwealth Stadium, Edmonton - 63
TD Place, Ottawa - 61
Tim Hortons Field, Hamilton - 61
IG Field, Winnipeg - 61
Mosaic Stadium, Regina - 47
Average rating for CFL Stadium is 71.78 with a median of 63. While the average rating for NFL stadiums is 55.1 with a median of 55. One thing to note is that typically NFL stadiums are quite a bit bigger than their CFL counterparts with NHL stadiums ranging from 58,000 to 82,500 while CFl stadium capacity ranges from 20,000 to 56,000. This means it is a bit more difficult to fit NFL stadiums in more urban, transit accessible locations.
@@evangray3077 In 1985, I attended an urban planning conference in Montreal. A woman I met at the conference suggested going to a Montreal Expos game with her. We rode the Metro to the game and back. As a young transportation planner, I learned an important lesson after the game. The station was located a bit away from the ballpark. Thus, after the game, people spread out a bit and did not crowd the Metro station when waiting for the trains. By comparison, during the prior year, I attended a Chicago Cubs game using the L to get to and from Wrigley Field. The station is next to the ball park and after the game was over, there was a long line of fans waiting to get to the train platform. I know it would take more time in producing a video such as this one, but these design details also need to be considered when ranking transit access to major sports arenas.
@@evangray3077McMahon is right on the CTRAIN line which is great. BMO is nowhere near the subway which would be preferable to the infrequent GO TRAIN.
Charlotte is actually going to get better in the near future because they will have an Amtrak train that will go into Downtown connecting the entire state. The station will be about half a mile away from the stadium.
I appreciate the effort behind this video, but the point it ends up making is how horrible using walk score is to make these lists. Detroit above Atlanta? I know that’s what the numbers say, but how in a million years does that make sense? Mercedes Benz stadium, as you pointed out, is directly served by a high capacity frequent subway. There’s literally a station on each side of the stadium, served by both the green and blue lines. I’ve been to several of these stadiums, including the #1 Seattle, and Atlanta wins hands down. Baltimore is really the only one that could be on the same level, but the MARC trains don’t run on Sundays.
The rolling stock choice for Seattle’s LINK is the line’s Achilles heel.
There is a train station at the Chicago Bears’ future Arlington Park stadium. It used to be a horse racetrack.
I knew Jax was gonna be bad. Glad we weren’t the worst. We do have the river taxi which is a really nice way to enjoy the visit