When it comes to 1 Speeds…Flight Numbers DO Matter?! | Flight Numbers Don’t Matter
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- Опубліковано 3 сер 2024
- We're throwing 6 different 1-Speeds to find out which is best at what. But, why throw 1-Speeds at all? This is Flight Numbers Don't Matter!
Remember, the flight of a disc is determined by many factors including the player, local conditions and more. Get out and throw discs to find out whether the Flight Numbers Matter or NOT.
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Innova Birdie never gets any love when people are throwing lids, and it's been around since 1991.
The birdie is my "go to"
Yep. Birdie > Polecat
I bag a K1 Soft Berg and a Glitch. Love them both, but the Berg gets thrown a lot more often. It's so good on forehand approaches. Give it just a little anhyzer, and it flyes and lands perfectly!
I can't comprehend forehanding a berg lol. The berg only stays in my bag for the days in playing very poorly, and putting in high wind
@@njott1021 I went on a Clinic with Josef Berg, and he taught me how to. It has been a great tool for me.
Might feel awkward because of the depht of the disc, but try to stack your fingers on the edge of the rim instead of both of them on the inside. A bit hard to explain..
@@mortimer6266 you're also exposing my weakness that the only forehand I have is an upshot with the zone lol I'll learn eventually
same
I've been really loving this Series of videos so much. However, there are some numbers on the disc that really do matter. Weight. Would love to See a video on how weight can affect how the flight is.. a feather Weight, a light weight, and max weight. I know Ezra made a video on it, But I feel that you would be better suited to do this video
A lot of myths and weird beliefs floating around with weight as well... So many people think that lighter discs fly further, and well they technically can, but that's because they are just more affected by outside forces. So in a tailwind, a lightweight disc will get "pushed" further by the wind, but on the flip side it would also lose speed faster in a headwind... The lighter weight means the disc will leave your hand with a slightly higher speed compared to a heavier disc, but that heavier disc would also maintain it's speed better.
I think the reason why so many people think lighter discs fly further is because maybe throw discs that are in reality a bit outside of their armspeed and when they get a bit more speed and slightly less stability from a lighter weight disc that translates into a better flight.
@@Kriss_941Well no. Every distance contests are thrown with light discs
@@ezdor8877 no? Every record attempt or similar is... Because they throw in the desert with insane tailwinds... In actual distance competitions they throw what's normally in their bags, you think Albert Tamm swaps his ballista pro's for opto air discs in distance comps? You think David Wiggins throws blizzard bosses in distance comps? He did for the world record yes, but not in actual distance comps. In ideal wind maybe, but again in comes the wind...
@@ezdor8877 We can quickly look at what people threw in the open qualifier for the 2022 US Distance Championship... Ezra throw a 175g Nuke, AB threw a 175g Destroyer, Adam Hammes threw a 175g Nuke, Wiggins Jr threw a 171.5g Champion boss (not blizzard? weird...) GG threw a 171g Destroyer and lastly Albert Tamm threw a 171g Ballista Pro...
So that's 3/5 throwing max weight and the remaining 3 all throwing close to max weight...
@@ezdor8877 "oh, but that was just the qualifiers!" I hear you say... Well the throws that got the top 5 into the finals was Thomas Gilbert with a 172g D2... Wiggins Jr with his 171.5g champ boss again... AB again with a 175g Halo Destroyer... Hammes again with a 175g ESP Nuke... and Last but not least Albert Tamm who had the longest throw of the entire championship with 710' with his 171g Ballista Pro...
I have a Loft Hydrogen as well as a Pole Cat and Glitch. It is just as straight if not more so. I prefer the Glitch in low and no wind. The Hydrogen in medium to low wind, and the Berg (have that too) in windy conditions. I generally putt with a Xero XT, which is also very straight but not a 1 speed.
I need to get some Loft discs to try out, I thought about picking up some of their kickstarter stuff at wholesale but it wasn't good timing last time they had a new mold.
The one thing I will say as an absolute Berg evangelist is that plastic really does matter. I predominantly throw the K3 plastic for my Bergs as they are much straighter than the K1 version (like you threw). I keep a K1 in my bag, but the throw I use the Berg for is straight/hold the line I put it on.
I'm a big glitch fan, especially for the woods. I hit chains this week on a tight woods shot, 154'. What surprises me about the glitch is how torque resistant it is. For me, I just pick and angle and it holds that angle. But on a steep anhyzer around obstacles, it often flattens out before touching down, preventing those nasty cut rolls.
My approach putter is a Gamma (glow) Loft Hydrogen. Super straight with just enough fade to be reliable.
My background is in ultimate frisbee so the Hydrogen feels really comfortable for standstill approaches with low speed and high spin.
Don't know if you could get your hands on one, but the latitude discs beetle is one of the earlier one speeds that they marketed as a utility disc instead of a putter that you can throw some neat shots with.
Having played multiple rounds now with the new MVP Watt, I can definitely say its a very similar disc to the Glitch in a heavier mold. It also feels a little bit more shallow. But, I do struggle to get distance out of it. It serves as my straight approach disc in the 70-150ft range.
The Watt is everything I wanted the glitch to be. The light weight and deep rim of the glitch just didn't work for me but the Watt corrected all that.
@@AndresWeber I was definitely surprised. It started in my bag as a question. Then it moved into the bag for good. Now it sits in one of my putter slots it used so much. It's crazy thar it's moved up this quickly all within a week.
I love the berg and glitch, for varied approaches. Berg drops fast enough it’s reliable for risky approaches, whereas glitch can glide out when I feel a kid is too much, but berg won’t make it. Funnily enough, polecat was my first ever disc, long before I knew about disc golf, I found one buried in the woods at a scout camp over 10 years ago, (no return number). Kept it all these years, even though I hated it because not understanding what it was for, it never flew like my other frisbees, (now I obviously understand why that is). It now sits in my bag, rarely thrown, but one day I’m sure it will shine.
You missed out on the Loft HYDROGEN. It would have suited this comparison well as they advertise it as the straightest flying point and shoot putter on the market.
I have both the Hydrogen and a K1 Berg.
Hydrogen does not handle power very well and will quickly flip over, whereas the Berg is very torque resistant.
Hydrogen also really feels like a beach frisbee as it's very deep with a thin rim.
Personally I don't like deep dish discs, so it doesn't feel good to me.
It's been a while since I threw Hydrogen, so I haven't compared the two. Might have to do that 🤔
@@JTBringe yes it is a deep disc, but I have grown attached to mine. It is a little too deep to be my goto putter, but it is my favorite for approaches of 50-100 ft. Definitely have not put the spurs to it to see what it takes to turnover.
The Glitch is a phenomenal disc. It's great for on the course utility shots, a good first disc to teach someone how to play, and just a fun disc to throw around.
It's a pleasure to throw. Shines at touch lines and gentler tosses
The Berg is my go to short approach it gives a safe forehand and backhand throw.🥏
Based on the typical explanation of "you need to throw this disc at the disc speed for proper flight" it's interesting how hard these 1 speeds were getting thrown without compromising the flight. Lord knows I can't get my glitch out 320ft but it flies the same for me.
That is a great point, I didn't really stop and think about that. I was thinking about, when we drew the conclusion that they did actually fly like their flight numbers, that perhaps because of how slow they are, its harder for them to be affected by other factors, but that's just a shot in the dark.
@@SixSidedDiscs maybe it's simply a minimum. 🤷♂️
Throwing disc faster than their intended speed is super useful. You can throw a slightly overstable disc dead straight
Short form videos have their place, but you need a bigger sample size than one throw per disc to come to any sort of conclusion.
Yikun Claw 1/3/0/0.5 is a good
Disk as well. Flat top and vertical rim.
Pretty accurate to numbers.
I like your pace and pronunciation and editing. Great video!
Is Andre the Giant doing this video?!? Each disc look like the little larger "minis" from Discraft... 😮
Great video ❤
Don’t forget these two
🥏 Loft Discs Hydrogen 1/2/0/0
🥏 Latitude 64 Beetle 1/7/-1/0
The only 1 speed that I have actually thrown is my friend’s glitch. First tee shot with it I put it closer than 5 other drives (from me and 3 friends) on a ~300ft hole with a pushing hyzer flight
I bought my first glitch a few weeks ago, and as a new player, its been an absolute game changer. I finally have a disc that I know can reliably fly straight pretty much every shot I try with it. Not having this previously was very frustrating, because sometimes I could get forehands to fly relatively straight, but then the next time I would go out, they would be turning. The glitch has made the easy straightaway shots routine for me now.
Berg forehand on a long approach shot works for me
I like my glitch -- but then I started throwing a mid in the same situations and get 50% more distance -- so I think I have graduated to mids!
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I like the Innova Birdie. 🐦
Love the Dillo. Good for flip ups and sneaky glide with straight finish. Berg very similar but less glide little more stability. Tried to like the glitch but just couldnt really figure it out
Great vid!
I love the polecat. It's great for my son who is new to the sport and good for warming up. the DX plastic is also 3 to 4x cheaper than the glitch
You missed the best PDGA approved 1 speed ever - the Latitude 64 Bite
Something to test with the Glitch (and maybe Polecat, never tried that) is steep elevation drops. No matter how long the hole is I typically throw the Glitch in those situations cause even when dropping a ton it still drops straight which I've never gotten out of a disc (sooner or later a "normal" disc starts fading and if it's understable it fades forever 😅). Complete game changer for those kinds of holes assuming you need to go straight and there's OB or rough vegetation on the sides.
My game would be an absolute mess if it weren’t for side arm berg approach shots
Lobdell reserve. Love it. Great video
Hey that’s my buddy and I throwing the glitch!!
Thanks for showing us how its done!
I have a 90s Z Puttr that is crazy straight and has less glide than my friends polecat from the same era. Sadly long out of print in that combo but I used to use it all the time.
These all fly different for me throwing side arm. The halo pole cat Flys pretty straight but it will turn over like the over stable putters or a leopard if you throw it fast
I have thrown the berg, glitch, polecat, and sonic. Currently the only one still in my bag is the glitch. For me personally, has the best hand feel and most consistent release. Great series! See you at a pop up event soon!
I like the glitch but it's so prone to warping. Picking up a Watt soon so that shouldn't warp as bad
You’re so right. The R2 glitch special releases like the OTB stamp and the Glistch are studier than the electron soft plastic and warp less. But the glow rim scratches easily.
@@destraiton5476 good to know! Thanks!
Different companies measure it differently and different runs are different plastic and that really matters.
Tried Berg, Glitch and Armadillo. Think the glitch is to touchy for me, the Berg is to prone to rollaways. The Dillo is perfekt for me, regarding 1 speeds, works for both forehand and backhand as well.
Check out a dog bite from latitude next time for a light weight 1 speed challenge?
Where is the mint Berg in the thumbnail? I need it.
I've eyeballed many Glitches but it's just so worthless in the slightest breeze. If they put it out in proper weights I'd consider one. But even without any wind, that high glide makes it unusable as an approach disc also. Afraid it will forever remain a meme disc for me. You can keep your Spore and Pitch as well. To each their own though.
Berg k1 soft is my most used disc. Almost every uppshot with forehand. Flies so straight and drops out of sky without fade. Doesn't roll witch is so important witch is important becouse my putting sucks😂
I think you meant to say the Polecat got slightly more turn and fade. Just noticed watching. Great vid though! Thanks! Wait was that on purpose? Now I'm confused 😂
I had written it, having watched all the clips, certain that one was more straight than the other, and the more I watched, and tried to line it up I realized it was really a toss up, so I recorded both versions, thinking maybe I could come to a conclusion later. I had a few people watch it, got different answers. So co-winners it is! lol
What I do know is some people hate the glitch and love the polecat or vice versa, so it may come down to which one works for you.
I took off from disc golf for awhile and bag from "94" a 174 polecat and 148 polecats, I want to retire my 148 (don't want to lose it) and picked up a 145 glitch. I like the feel and flight of the glitch but the dx polecat seems to stick in the chains better. I do like both and will keep the glitch in the bag and get used to it, but I think I'll look for a new light pole cat. I like that I can get polecat to stall and drop.
I love my Polecat but it's the only 1 speed I have tried.
Pole cat is the beginner friendly disc
for your next video you have to include the Hydrogen from Luft.
We actually did a video on the 4 molds from Løft (at that time), check it out! Should be in our First Impressions series playlist.
Dillo in other plastics doesn’t have the same stability.
With the popularity of the Berg, why are Millennium not producing more Hyzerbomb Tanks. At 2 1 0 2, it has all the great approach flight without the weird hand feel.
It feels like Millennium is third-choice at the moment behind Innova and Infinite as far as what Innova is going to prioritize. Infinite is pumping out so many discs, so many different plastics, new molds. It's pretty crazy that Innova is making as many discs as they are.
That being said, more options = better as far as I'm concerned, bring it on!
Star animal at 2 1 0 1 also has a typical hand feel
@@ryansuter4424 I had high hopes but was disappointed. Far too domey to be comfortable and way too much glide.
As Uli would say “farther” lol.
This was a great intro to the 1 speed comparison but the different olastics make the results quite different! My k3 berg started out with a 0 turn and 0 fade dead strait and now flies with some -1 turn and 0 fade. And i am only throwing it 200 ft max power. I asume the results would show more turn if yiur guy in the video threw it. He got the glitch over 300 and i cant get my glitch over 240. I love your comparison videos amd i know it is a ton ofe more work to compare all the options but it might be worth atleast mentioning which olastics will have what type of changes to the discs that are actually featured in the video. Another example, i have a halo sonic and a halo pole cat and both fly exactly the same for me as the glitch except for a little less distance. Again glitch only making it to 240 max and the other 2 about 210. Quite different results with less arm speed.
Thanks for sharing. I was considering the same idea, and you put it words along with having experience with the discs as well. I think that's what gets me about this series: no disclaimers about plastics and how any act after being used for a couple months. I will say that I agree with their decision on the winner in the straight disc category. Those two discs being throw with 300' of power and both holding their lines is phenomenal. I'll end by saying my glitch is super flippy. I wish it flew this straight.
I appreciate the feedback, I will say I'd love to get these all in different plastics to compare. We had to work with what we had available to us at the time but our planning is improving and hopefully we'll have better variety in future videos for you all. Thanks for watching!
@@SixSidedDiscs I do really like all your videos on these disc reviews that you do! I know it is hard to cover all different aspects as there are so many Variations between plastics and specific runs, and It isn't possible to completely be consistent in the production of discs. I do appreciate that work you guys are doing to bring fact to "flight numbers" And I don't think anybody can expect anybody to come out with a complete Comprehensive review of them all! These videos have lots of good value and are fun to watch!
Silly question. Does the super dillo fit in most standard bags.
Not a silly question at all. No. It is huge. I hate taking them in bins to tournaments, they don't fit, they don't fit on my shelves. They don't fit anywhere.* Ok, maybe they might fit in some side pockets of say a Squatch bag, but they are funky for sure. 23.6cm I think I said, get your metric yard stick out. Siri says that is 9.29 Inches in American.
I guess a metric yard stick is a meter stick...
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Sample size?
Sad you forgot about the hydrogen
you need a loft Hydrogen in this comparison
I love all of these discs.... Glitch is my favorite in non windy situations... otherwise im all about the berg.
The others are great also
Love my Berg, after lots of use it's no longer overstable, but still fantastic for straight shots where I just need distance control and sticking the ground...
Utility shots is the dumbest thing in disc golf... There is nothing called a utility shot.