Does this Footprint Prove Humans Originated in Europe?
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- Опубліковано 17 тра 2024
- I suppose I don't have much to say in the description. The distant past is a confusing place with far more fog than visibility. But it's fun to think about, and even more fun to watch it change.
So what do you think - did Crete have apes?
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When I say hominid are the great apes whereas you're a hominin i should have said humans are hominids but not all great apes are hominins
But I didnt say that did I?
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hahaha glad you beat me to it! keep it frosty mate loved your content for years!
@@xp8969 the audio is just directly cut from me talking into the mic - I don't hear any major issues in the edit, certainly not ones that leave the video unwatchable
@RareEarthSeries Bro, my guy, my dude. You're fine.
@@xp8969 You need some decent speakers for your computer, and a decent computer, because the sound was perfectly ok to listen to, i heard every word perfectly ok.
"other creatures got here, so why not they?"
Thank goodness that there's SOMEONE who actually looks at evidence instead of just trying to disprove anything that doesn't fit the currently accepted dogma.
Because yes, no need for SAILING(why not rowing? paddling?) to get there. Lots of species got across waters without any connecting lands.
It as a completely worthless argument.
"is it really that much of a stretch"
Nope. It is in fact VERY plausible that pre-humans figured out how to get across waters with the help of something floating.
And as you said, how did monkeys get to S.America? That's MUCH longer and on an ocean that have much more dangerous weather.
When it comes to archeology, there is one horribly big issue with the official science.
That they tend to treat anything that has not been PROVEN without any doubt to have happened, is completely impossible until proven otherwise.
It's terribly annoying. Anyone who cannot look at something new with an unprejudiced mind has already failed as a scientist, because science is looking at all evidence and trying to figure out what it means, not making assumptions to fit the evidence into.
Evidence does not stop being evidence just because we find it implausible to be possible.
The migration of humans to Americas is an excellent example of this. Until recently every piece of evidence pointing towards migration there before a landbridge existed, was dismissed, often outright casually and arrogantly.
And yet now, the last decade of findings have pretty much provided close to rocksolid evidence of migration happening before the landbridge could possibly have existed.
And now the accepted narrative is changing towards likewise instead rejecting that the less solid evidence of even earlier migrations could possibly be true. And yet most of that evidence is now at the same level of validity that the previously discarded evidence was a few decades ago.
And always always, the single biggest problem is the assumption of primitivism. Assumptions that has been disproven literally thousands upon thousands of times, and yet we STILL keep going with the bad logic of "less technology and ancient=inferior ability to think or invent".
Also the fallacy of equating knowledge with intelligence.
Ancient pre-humans would also have their geniuses, the lower populations means they would be fewer and further between, but there's no reason to assume that someone with the mental abilities of Da Vinci didn't exist a few million years ago. They would have had vastly inferior resources to build upon of course, but the most likely problems and questions they would have tried to solve would also generally be dramatically less complex and not require nearly as much nonlocal resources.
All you need for a raft is the very primitive toolmaking of very early pre-humans, and basically seeing something float in water.
And realising that something hollow floats better, is a very easy next step.
So yes, rafts and primitive canoes is pretty much guaranteed to have existed for millions of years. And possibly one of the single most reinvented technologies in history.
"... but!, but, huge but - brazilian sized butt *gestures* ..." -Evan Hadfield, talking about palaeoarchaeology, 2024.
For a second i thought it was a Stefan Milo video.
@@kacperwoch4368 You know Stefan is watching this, wishing he'd come up with this line.
Come for the obscure stories. Lurk for an education in biology, paleontology, and anthropology. Stay for the culture.
Just a heads up, hippos can't swim (they just run on the ground underwater), so how they got there is even more amazing.
I had no idea, that's so cool thanks
They had great scuba gear.
Here to post same 😅👍
@@RareEarthSeriesnow you know this. .. imagine all those documentary scenes of hippos chasing small boats... Yup, that hippo is running on the riverbed, or sinking and jumping up and forward😳😂 .kinda makes it even scarier for me. Btw it's the muscle mass that sinks them not incapacity to doggy paddle- hippo paddle?
They flew, of course.
My daughter made an error (not a typo) on her Ph.D thesis in Human Genetics. It went unnoticed until it was published. A student spotted the error. It took her months to make everything make sense again. It happens.
Fun fact: The "footprints" were first found by a researcher who stumbled across them during his vacation
that does happen quite often with fossils and so on
I think even if you ignore the possibility of a group of hominids walking to Crete and experiencing speciation, the fact that we have innumerable examples of "random rafting events" onto small islands throughout the world and history is just too much of a giant thorn in the side of a "it's IMPOSSIBLE" debunk. I feel pretty much any biologist studying evolution should be aware of that.
I was looking for this comment. Thanks.
the dominant theory of apes arriving to South America from Africa is via a land raft. that journey was further back in history, and much longer. so they'd be challenging their colleagues' theories by stating it was impossible.
The possibilities which you've highlighted are actually ones which we as palaeoanthropologists and evolutionary anthropologists have also thought and discussed among our circles. Improbable, yes, but they can't be ignored. I am planning to write a paper on this in the future.
It’s good to keep an open mind. So many of the obvious truths we take for granted now would have once seemed like insane conspiracy theories.
@@LEFT4BASSHealthy skepticism is also good however, plenty of “common facts” have also turned out to be wrong. They are both sides of the same coin, so exercise both. :)
As a former biologist, we know something close to nothing, maybe 5%. The world is a fascinating place.
U got that right!!
Former biologist? Aren't you still a biologist??
@@Norralin They could be retired.
@@Norralinthat was my question lol
@@FirstDagger I feel like if a biologist retires from work they are still a biologist 🤔. Leaving academia or industry doesn't undo your scientific training. "Former biologist" makes it sound like they've renounced the science altogether or something lol. Maybe if their work in that field was brief and they completely changed career paths afterwards it could make sense to me to say it that way, but that's just based on the connotations I have associated with those words and phrasing.
Even proto humans refused to ask for directions?
Only the male of the species 😀
@@malahammer The real proto humans were the friends we made along the way.
Speaking in my capacity as a geologist, the biggest issue for me is that the Cenozoic history of the Aegean is among the more complex within both the modern Mediterranean and the broader Eurasian-Nubian continental boundary. The folks who study the tectonics of the Aegean Microplate regularly keep coming up with refinements to our understanding of the structure & sense of motion of all of its plate boundaries. Those kind of refinements often result in significant changes in how the stratigraphic record can be interpreted, both in the specific setting of Crete and elsewhere that we learn similar things about a plate boundary. Mind you, this is all completely independent of the repeated separation of the Mediterranean from the Atlantic, which is driven by global sea levels much more than plate tectonics. But even still, both the Aegean and the basin between Crete and Africa are relatively deep, so it's worth considering tectonic evolution alongside sealevel evolution, because both would play a role in determining Crete's hypothetical past connections to other land, and indeed both may have been necessary for Crete to have ever been contiguous with the mainland.
If I was ever asked to peer review a paper like those you've cited in this video (which probably wouldn't happen because I'm not a paleobiologist or archaeologist), the first thing I'd ask for is a section addressing the geologic context of the field site. What's the local rock unit; what's its sedimentary fabric; what's its relationship with the stratigraphically adjacent & geographically proximal units; what structural features does it contain; *before* getting into specific fossil or radioisotope ages & their interpretation. By itself, that discussion doesn't have much direct relevance to the question of where hominids migrated in the cenozoic. But if an argument about animal migration relies on a set of claims about where land was at a certain time, then there must be a robust analysis of how much we understand how that land itself has evolved.
Good points.
One of the things about the 'improbable' is that given a really long time, a lot of improbable things happen.
While I believe we may find evidence of earlier and more complex tool use than we currently have I'm a big believer in accidental rafting. It's a bit more plausible with pregnant rats than something on the scale of an ape but the ingredients are simple: end up in the water, can't really swim, hold on to something floating for dear life and go where the currents take you.
There's also the inbetween point, where a homonid uses a log or other piece of driftwood as a raft intentionally
You don't need specialized sailing to reach Crete from mainland Greece. The island of Antikythera is 42 km away and Crete is clearly visible from an elevated point of the island. We are not discussing some star navigation
So how you keep going in the right direction once your not on that high elevation? Kinda a weak reasoning
@@yt.personal.identification yes a concept known in prehistory and we all know how easy keeping direction on open seas is...
If you cant admit a bad take fine, but dont embarass yourself like this
@@yt.personal.identification how far you can see at sea level?
Whats making it not an open ocean? Its not about size but currents and the like...
Just stop or start making points and not just excuses
@@yt.personal.identification were not talking about what we can do with our knowledge now but if thats reasonable to imply on a ancient peoples
Dont get more cringe please
@@TheGahta By keen observation of water currents and their colours,winds/sky conditions, types of birds and their flight patterns,and sounds. I'm descended from people who lived on the Shetlands, 60 miles north of Scotland, and they still use these techniques sometimes, even sailing at night without radar or GPS. Before those were invented they could navigate to Scotland, and elsewhere.
If you're looking for teeth, Turkey is pretty close, you can get them for a low price there
There really isn't a "missing link" anymore. It was already found, and it was actually multiple discoveries. The big picture of human evolution is very well proven and understood.
Of course, there are many small questions remaining, but none of those gaps in understanding are anywhere near the significance of the what the term "missing link" meant historically.
I was under the impression that the "missing link" people really want to know about is the immediate ancestor of homo sapiens, which I believe we still don't have, and I suppose might not look different enough from us to even be distinguishable in the fossil record?
It's morphed from an argument against evolution to pretty much any gap in the evolutionary timeline.
The Sailing Deers, now that's a good name for a band.
sounds like theyd fit in with artic monkeys
It'd even be good as The Sailing Deer. I could draw the logo and T-shirt already. 😂
I think that I can provide the answer to this, at least as far as the Elephants go: one Elephant wrapped its trunk around the tail of the Elephant in front of it, so on, so forth.
The lead Elephant was just a really strong swimmer.
Think of "Hands across America," except more like "Elephants swimming to Crete."
It's a known fact that elephants have been spotted swimming from the african coast to the french islands. Maybe it was an elephant with a hominin fotoprint?
It's a known fact that elephants have been spotten swimming from the african coast to the french islands. They just have to paddle with 4 legs, keep their trunk high enough to be able to breath and know which way to swim to.
@StefanMilo you got an end credit!
Let's say a tsunami hits your village. You find yourself and surviving members of your family clinging to floating debris for dear life. The debris floats wherever the material takes them and with no other choice these people cling to it and go to that place and continue living there. This would likely be the first instance of a raft, discovered by accident and remembered and adapted by those who survived. It's just a possibility.
Thx for doing this, filming it and sharing it with us.
I've been watching this channel for a bit over half a decade now. Every video makes me think about something in an interesting perspective, and I'm thankful for that. Thank you for challenging my perceptions.
Love the variety of all your videos, I learn so much from such obscure topics around the world. Keep up the good work!
I found a stone with an apparent footprint on it. I took it to a well known archeologist in Johannesburg. He said "we often find these, caused by erosion".
Love he very subtle Stefan Milo shoutout at the end!
Unless the ancestors of those animals were also stranded when the Mediterranean flooded, the smaller animals could have floated on 'rafts' of storm-felled trees and other vegetation. Either the clumps were washed ashore, or came close enough for the animals to swim. The deer could also have swum, and elephants have been observed swimming (using their trunks for snorkels). Once they came ashore, enough of them stayed to produce the animals of Crete (those who left either died or never went near the ocean again).
I really like the way this guy isn't bias one way or the other and how he really digs into and sometimes refutes or comes up with other left out possibilities! Definitely subscribing now❤
What if the ape taught some sea turtles to be his conveyance across the open oceans?
Or a scorpion tried to convince a frog… 🤔
That ape must have been the great great grandfather of captain jack sparrow
The mediterranean basin was where the Tanu had their civilisations during the pliocene when the humans time traveled to avoid the galactic milieu before Felice Landry broke the Gibraltar strait as revenge against Culluket. That was a very coherent sentence don't fight me.
You truly stretch my mind and imagination, and i love it. You bring such a wide variety of topics to light. Idk what my life would be like if i didn't keep learning and thinking. Thank you 😊
Carry on
Love the videos Evan, keep up the great work!
This is video I could read the comments on for days
Thanks, Rare Earth. I needed this food for thought.
Hippos dont swim, they're too dense. They literally just walk along the bottom.
the past couple of decades have seen so many new finds and revelations nothing is impossible, who knows what will be found next or where, nice job.
UA-cam's best storyteller. Period.
Evan 'Just Saying' Hadfield
"The Missing link" isn't really a thing, at least not how pop culture (and kinda this vid) uses it.
Also there are tons of evidence (beyond fossils -which there are also a ton off) pointing to an African origin; including artifacts, customs and simple ethnographic DNA.
Europeans, Asians and Americans are all more closely related to each other than they are to Africans ('Founder effect') -Africa has the greatest amount of human genetic diversity in the world.
You're not wrong, but you're also speaking about homo sapien, and this is talking about a time millions of years before we (modern homo sapiens) unquestionably walked out of Africa - it would be the first hominin we'd have ever found by a substantial amount. Which is what the colloquial 'missing link' refers to here.
What is being questioned, and even then rather lightly, is if the predecessor to those sapiens who blossomed in East Africa might have evolved from hominin species who developed in Europe and then walked back across the Mediterranean before evolving further in Africa's central grasslands. I'm not saying that's what happened, merely that as of yet it can't be discounted.
@@RareEarthSeries I think I must be missing something?
AFAIK 7ish million years ago - the H.sapien line was splitting (last common ancestor) from the chimpanzees, and there is no suggestion that LCA was primarily bipedal.
If this Euro bipedal ape was a direct ancestor -it would either: also have to be ancestral to both chimps and our LCA with them (if it was placed earlier than the LCA), or (if it is placed after our LCA with chimps) our current 'australopithecine' descent path is wrong.
There were alot of these apes walking/climbing around for millions of years on either side of that 7million years -frankly; one could pick any of them and make an assertion of similar or greater strength.
Leaving aside that the inclusion of this Euro ape ancestor would create contradictions with the current decent paradigm from that point onward -isn't the path of inclusion (leaves Africa, as or becomes bipedal, then comes back to Africa, becomes the ancestor of (at the time) non bipedal Hominini (humans and chimps) rather convoluted?
The one thing I’ve always felt people underestimate due to an obvious lack of evidence (the odds of such materials surviving are almost zero) is how early basic rafts might have been invented.
With all the floating logs every one of them would see it doesn’t seem far fetched to me that the concept of wrapping a few together and riding it would occur to some of them.
Awesome as usual. ❤❤ you are totally correct. It IS possible. It has happened with others.
There are other theories of how certain species made it to islands when we know they didn't originate there. (This is from PBS Eons) and the conjecture is that they fed and lived near the shore, of which they "rode" there on island breakaways, landing on larger islands ie. Madagascar being the most famous one. I don't see why we can't apply this logic to a this.
Beautifully, as always!
Good of you to do the asking and having an opend maind... and my I also say... that you seems to have a very smart concept about your program...
Love the story. Thanks from NS..
Ya know what!? 🤔….Just for you being THEE ONLY channel I’ve EVER seen be so honest so fast, with the first words of their video saying there’s probably nothing true at all about their title,… I’m giving you a Sub! 👍
I watch you and Stefan Milo. rarely do your subjects overlap, though
So it wasn't Moses?
"That's where the hominid carried you" ...awesome.
"My boy Chuckie Dee and his love of barnacles." 😂
Sir Terry Pratchett would have said they floated there on a log...(if there was room with all the camels!)
If the hypothesis is correct and turn into theory, we should named the first Crete hominid fossil Wilson from Tom Hank's movie Cast Away.
Frig you're good at this.
I hope if I take a ferry to Crete it's very much floating.
People underestimate the urge in a nomad to see over the next ridge, both literally and figuratively.
I really like your videos my friend
Thank you
I myself wouldn't put so much weight on whether an ape walked like a human especially seeing how homo naledi had so many less-than-human-seeming traits and yet was fairly modern, and even theoretically a hominin.
cool video man
thank you. very interesting
Graecopithecus is still walking among people in Crete, as I'm sure you have already realized. They are easy to identify by their clothing and pickup trucks.
Vertigo is a hard & fast way to get out of camera duty.
I have casually watched your videos for years based on recommendation by the machine, but I just subscribed. Please point me to the video of yours that you think will most blow my mind. Thank you.
Well reasoned.
"If there were teeth in Greece, there coulda been some feet in Crete." brilliant!
hominids. other words: all hominins are also hominids. Not all hominids are hominins.
forget the 100 km between the mainland and Crete, whether they swam, rafted or clung to a tree, they probably island hopped, and no one hop needed be anywhere near 100 km.
In my head, I beat you to the answer to the answer to the question in the title by only about one second
There's a great Science Fiction novel, it's called EVOLUTION, by Stephen Baxter. Worth the weekend long read. All about Mammals fight to the middle of the evolutionary hierarchy.
Good luck trying to find the missing link.
Hey, are you even ALLOWED to answer the question in the title? I though that wasn't permitted on YT, I've never seen that done before. Thumbs up!
in 2017 Sarah Thomas swam 164 km of ocean in one go. ofc she had a team feeding her energy smoothies but still. *swam*.
6:32 Verily, a man of culture! 😭
Never misses
Thank you
As Cody would say, "Beware of the BOAR, boar can swim."
The term "missing link" irks me so much as by any definition that makes sense, we have it. The extreme end of that definition is every single generation of human ancestor.
10:40 Hippos can't swim, they bounce along the bottom of rivers
Coming here just to also answer, “No. no, it’s not”.
This is a great reminder that bad habits of thought happen on both sides. Anti-science people are always inclined to believe that a new find is far older than most think it could be while the more educated of us tend to think that anything strange and unexplainable must be an error. Not quite that cut and dried but in general, those seem to be the battle lines.
The idea of a species of distant hominin evolving bipedalism separately from our ancestors is intriguing!
I know this is a stupid question and I am an ignorant fool, but schoolteachers in prison?
Also, kudos for "teeth in Greece, feet in Crete". I do so love poetry.
The person who stole 8 of the "footprints" was a schoolteacher.
@@dsnodgrass4843 Thank you
Very likely that upright walking hominid would not evolve in only one place
To view jpaleo artwork, you must view it from every angle and every light source.
Anyone know if @StefanMilo *does* have a video on this?
"Missing Link"? Haha, haven't heard that phrase in 40 years, immediately after the teacher/jailbirds taught it to us....
Since 99.999% of all wood from even a couple 100Ks of years ago is gone, I'm going to guess that one of our smarter Hominins would have found at least tidal marshes irresistible to get something floating out there to harvest food, and then they would have contrived movable rafts, and some of these could have been swept out to sea. Or, an ice age could have made the sea very shallow making it easier to float over.
Love me some Milo, cheers
The creature that made those footprints was likely considering how it was going to clean the mud from between the toes.
Huh, this episode was certainly different. You don't usually get so hypothetical. Still, interesting stuff.
They, like so many societies, clearly need to pay their schoolteachers more.
How do you know deer can't sail?
"Input the logical joke to make here that, for the purpose not being banned, I cannot post"
Commiserations for anyone expecting a Rare Earth video to be a straight answer 😉🙌
And a smaller subset of those expecting it to be a straight answer about... race, of all things.
However you forgot to add in the splitting of the continence which is believed to have happened due to the shape of each one. Time period I’m not sure but is spoken of in the bible
i love your videos and me and my gf were absolutleys sent laughing by the first 5 seconds becuase we made the joke no probably not and you said the exact same thing hahah but then again we have watched like all your videos
If our food can make it there, so can we..
An interesting approach by a keen amateur, which most people are unwilling to consider. Professional people have been taught to avoid speculative assessments. After all one’s career and reputation stand to suffer.
I was going to give this fascinating video a 10/10, but then I read "A Lite Hop" in the credits. Now much like the researchers, that one detail forces me to re-evaluate everything. (Well played, now take your angry upvote and get out, lol)
Until we can figure out time travel, we can't really be certain of much at all.
Evan, I've been following your channel for years and I think I've watched every single one of your videos. So I'm frankly surprised and disappointed by your supposedly funny "Brazilian-sized butt" comment. Cheap. I've lived many years in both Brazil an Canada and I can categorically say that I've seen Canadian butts much, much larger than anything I've seen in Brazil... No only that, but this video had all the potential of being a commentary about how individual biases and particular agendas play a role in amplifying bad science and outright lies, but at the end it was just about the triumph of bothsideism. You are better than that, and I look forward to watching more of the well-thought insight that characterizes your earlier videos. This one was definitely uninspired.
Greetings from Brazil! 🇧🇷
Row, row your log.