Hacking GPUs with External Clock Generation: Elmor Labs Tour | GN Factory Tours S3E3
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- Опубліковано 8 сер 2024
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This lab tour shines a spotlight on Elmor Labs and the work they're doing everywhere in the industry. Their custom hardware has found its way into major labs at AMD and other reputable companies, but they're rarely talked about. Elmor's specialization has been in overclocking, but he's expanded into more consumer-focused experimentation in recent years. This mad science lab gives an educational look at external clock generation overclocking, load devices, fan controllers, and more.
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00:00 - Mad Science Lab
01:52 - Keeping OC Alive
06:58 - External Clock Control Overclocking
15:28 - Fan Controller & Prototypes
19:52 - Front Panel Add-in Board
21:03 - Liquid Nitrogen Container
Music track used:
"Chill Wave" Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com)
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Host: Steve Burke
Video: Mike Gaglione, Vitalii Makhnovets - Ігри
Sorry for being late by a day on this one! Lost my voice on Friday after filming news videos and needed to do the voice over for it. It's back now though! Big thanks to Elmor for showing all the cool prototypes and taking the time to teach us about external clock gen & OC overrides! Some really cool stuff in this video and we wanted to bring a spotlight to what they're doing. Check out our previous tour in this series over here, where we show how RAM is made: ua-cam.com/video/---fHu9jFtw/v-deo.html
Thank you.
Elmor is an absolute legend in the space! o7
Thanks Steve.
G'day Steve,
No worries about waiting, gotta look after your voice when you do so much talking for work
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It was a blast hosting you and your team Steve! You did a great job with the video, thank you so much :) Regarding debug cards, we are looking at solutions. We may do another run of the LPC type cards for older boards now that the chip shortage is over and maybe some type of hybrid that can support at least some of the newer boards that offer Serial/UART output for port 80 data.
Thank you for sharing your knowledge and giving us all a look at your lab. Both are amazing.
Very interesting stuff. Good luck with your projects!
That's a lot of words for "OMG I got to touch Steve's hair". Srsly though incredible lab and passion.
Awesome work that you guys are doing, even just the education aspect of what you do is intriguing, I love it. Keep it up!
Good luck with all your work. Great stuff
That LPC Debug Card must cost hundreds of dollars according to motherboard manufactures now a days...
Don't get me started on seven segment displays...
@michaelscarport Maybe more. Imagine.
I'm with Steve, it total (redacted) that they don't include them any more.
Hundreds of dollars? Are you mad??? The compulsory extended warranty would cost more than that!
If boards are too easy to troubleshoot they'd sell less boards:/
The extreme overclockers remind me of the how the old moonshiners modified their cars, which led to the birth of Nascar and the muscle cars of the 60's and 70's from the big three automakers. The Hot Rodders of the 50's and 60's are the grandparents of the overclockers, they are both after better perfomance, they are just working in a different medium.
best analogy i've read to explain XOC to someone who barely knows anything about computers is "basically drag racing but replace the car parts with pc parts".
That doesn't make any sense. Neither are about better performance. Peak performance yes
Manufacturers: "look at all those seven segment displays. We could make millions!"
agreed
Elmor's Lab, Tin, and King Pin all just need to get together.
Got another great video! Thanks everyone at GN!
man, that would be great
Elmor's Lab sounds like it could be a wicked video game
It’s so much fun to watch a video where I understand approximately 7% of what was said. Like when he said, “this is Elmor” I understood that part!
Ha ha it’s neat to watch someone geek out so much like these two.
This is awesome. More videos like this please! Also: Steve has really become a quite good interviewer. I love how he lets Elmor actually speak rather than trying to put the focus on himself.
Elmor has come a really long way since Sesame Street.
Nice to see Elmor again. Did some overclocking with him live at Dreamhack in 2005
That 9ghz run they did was pretty epic
That was crazy!
getting closer to Intels "We will hit 10GHz..."
dude....this guy is a legit genius. even amd uses his stuff in their labs lol. insane!!!!
Thanks Steve!
Not only is he an asset to the OC community Elmor is super cool & Helpful!
18:58 You'd actually think people would want those Wire Views, the 180° power meter adapter on the GPU, I know I want a few of them myself.
So cool, I had always hoped you would tour Elmors lab.
Thanks Steve!
THAT is a crazy tour, thanks for the ride GN and Elmor :)
Unsung IT heroes, fighting the good fight which benefits all of us. That is all....Kudos and thank you.
G'day Steve & Elmor,
Thanks so much for the tour especially showing some of the prototypes, while not a Top Fuel CPU/GPU Drag Racer myself I do find the technology very interesting.
Great camera work, Vitali. Them focus pulls 🎥
Awesome. Great to see the inner workings, these guys are peak and I love it. I've been messing around with actual OC since the 386 years.. we'd overclock good sx 25 chips and glue heatsinks on top and put on a warranty void sticker.. oh the 90's.. we have come a LONG way since those days. Thanks for sharing this, really looksl ike so much fun!
The fan header controller would be great for someone running a 3D print farm.
15:30 can't say how often I've looked at a project and wanted a dedicated external fan control for it, not just computers. As for bios, I've run across some motherboards where the fan RPM eventually sticks and never changes after some time of the computer being on (from a few mobo makers), becomes super annoying if I'm in the middle of a project and have to save and close everything just to reboot to fix the bios fan control. A dedicated external fan control would be so nice to fix that (esp for the GN R7 build PC).
Great vid Steve, Elmor and crews. B)
I had this same problem too, but with my GPU. Fans would lock iut at 100% rpm, requiring a reboot. I solved this issue by connecting the fans to an Aquacomputer fan controller, and using the fan controller software to monitor Temps and run it's own fan curve.
Your channel is unmatched!
Elmor is such a heckin' champion for overclockers everywhere!
This should have been longer. Great stuff.
Thank you for sharing this. Some great work being done there!
I just bought and put together the DERCOASTER that was sitting and flashing on the table. It's a fun little project to practice SMD soldering skills. My wife wants one now.
this video come at the right time ! thanks gamer nexus
Amazing video, good to see these niche hardware are still alive
19:18 i love the fact that you brought up the question about the polling rate of that device, it can matter a lot as it clearly shows how important it is to know about it when you set it to the lowest and you see it go from low 2 digit number to very high 3 digit numbers so fast, transient loads man...
I don't think it's exactly polling rate they were talking about, more like how long the averaging window is. I assume that it measures 29us at all times, since 29us is the lowest averaging window, and that is probably the polling rate.
And there's also a refresh rate of the screen, which looks like 10-15 fps.
OOOOH the architecture at 0:15 that looks amazing.
You really are Tech Jesus 🥺. Thank you for showing this gem. I don't want overclocking or pushing the limits through frankenstein like modding to ever die. Hopefully one day we can see third party software and driver supports for obsolete graphics cards, while splicing vram or creating a mutant gpu using both an AMD and a Nvidia card.
Not first, but anyway I am here supporting your great content.
Thanks Steve, and friends
What a great collection of vintage test equipment at 5:54 . It's been ages since I saw an HP 3457a (it's from 1985), but it's a great device (it's the long one). I think that's a HP 3478a on the right, fluke 8842a on the left. I don't recognize the digital thermometer above the 3478a or what appears to be a keithley 2000 clone to the left of it. The Hameg analog scope is nice to see too, though I'm not sure what it's better than the Rigol DS2102A (no doubt modded to 300 MHz).
Inside the Mind of a genius. Love this video.
That front panel add-in is so cool. I don't need it, but it's cool.
Super cool stuff, mate.
16:30
that lord of the rings meme on that wall is gold.
I did not understand a lot of it, but it was still cool and educational!
I love these types of videos 😊.
*Thanks Steve*
Reminded me of the old days changing out motherboard clock crystals to get a little more fsb mhz
Fascinating stuff! It would be fun to integrate some of their power monitoring gear into a build as a nice little visual component as I wouldn't probably use it to do overclocking.
What a great tech era we are living in!
It's great to see what feels like old-school hardware hackers working on the newest tech. :)
This is so cool!
24:50 the pinecone cooler! thats wicked
Elmor's Lab is very cool!
15:42 Found DerCoaster product placement :D
This is overclocker's paradise.
20:28 wow that's 100-150$ of premium motherboard features right there
Straight up big brain!
Cool stuff
That front panel board is awesome. Having to rig buttons and switches up by hand is a pain. There is almost nothing else on the market like this. I've checked
The Fan control is nice, was looking for the same thing which can control with Temp settings.
Thanks Steve.
A pluggable debug/ postcode LED screen would be awesome, i think it should be mandatory in every motherboard anyway it makes everyone's life more easy. I have not tried for years but does the old speaker and beep thing even work today? Its the 1 thing everyone neglects to add to DIY builds (i have myself for years anyways) but PC's used to always come with a small speaker that emitted beeps for error codes can save so much time with something to read postcodes especially when you have a RAM or CPU seating issue.
Awesome 👍
You know I have been building, modding, and tearing apart computers since '97. I have a degree in Computer Science and Mathematics. I spend much of my free time reading about hardware and software. None of that is to brag, but instead I'm honestly humbled by how hard it was to keep up with this absolute lightning blitz of one massive component after another. I feel like every device in this video was worth slowing way down and covering in excruciating detail.
Interesting thought experiment: put Elmor and Wendell from L1T in a room together with a mic and camera for an unedited longform discussion. Topic: computers. Annnnnd GO!
Elmor is da OG
Elmors lab, sounds like a destination in ToTK, you even got the music right 😂
I bet he's got sick slate upgrades...
Took me a while to realise the soft slightly cheerful plinking and plonking in the beginning wasn't someone's ringing iphone that you for some reason didn't seem to want to react to but background music added in post.
As nice as Hardware Content gets as anytime.
Liked to the stuff Elmor is working on. Sadly havent the oportunety or the Coffidence to use some of the gear that he and his Team put out. Would like to but i am kinda scared i brick my hole rig in Minutus after some of the tools i would like to play around with arrive.
But keep it up this is what pushes Pepole and there Hardware
Elmora for the president! :) Great projects and spirit!
Those LN2 pots are nice, but it's got me thinking... Why hasn't someone designed a crazy high surface area LN2 pot, like something that would be impossible to machine, and have it 3D printed? You can get things 3D printed in pure copper now days.
It would be extremely expensive. Like $4000+ per revision.
I had to Bing it to validate but my Swedish accent detector is still spot-on.
Converting USB-C to PCI-E power is something i never knew i wanted.
"Welcome to Gamers Nexus Lab"
These guys are doing the lords work lol
That power meter/180degree adapter is awesome ! Does anyone know if Elmor labs sells it ? I couldnt find it ....
I love my volcano extreme. Best pot ever.
LN2 heatsink: a gyroid design would be interestingly efficient.
I have a Haswell PC, would be nice to still being able to buy the debug adaptor
Is the switch from TPM to eSPI perhaps one of the reasons we are seeing so few seven segment displays on contemporary motherboards? Does integrating displays into eSPI based boards require some extra work that was not necessary on TPM boards?
The evc2 boars looks almost like a product aquacomputer would make lol in terms of design
Star Wars fan!
08:11 is that a red dragon mouse??? i have like 3 of those they are the best.
I wish there was competition like there is in overclocking, but for a race that gets most performance per watt. So instead of pushing to limits wihtout looking at power, it would be reducing power as much as possible with the max possible performance.
so when are these guys starting a UA-cam channel so we can tag along with all the hackery? it would be a good revenue source for em.
Pegboard in all the walls without a single thing hanging on them. I've found my people.
am I the only person wondering if that external clockgen could be used on an FM2+ board with Carrizo? I mean the board manufacturers didn't get bclk OC down at all for Kaveri/Carrizo, so that'd be really interesting.
Then again, I think I might have a problem
Epic
Bro needs to use his pegboard wall barely any desk space and totally blank pegboards all over the wall haha
When I saw the thumbnail for about half a second I thought the bald guy was Guga Foods. What would that even look like? "Me and my friend Steve decided to sous vide this GPU for 14 hours!" I wonder if would be AMAZING?
He's an artificer
He needs to present at next DefCon
I love your hair
could the companies make async gpus as in having an uneven number of cores/rops/smu instead of cutting them off ?
Over my head 💨
16:26 You have no power here 😂😂😂😂
mhm mhm, very cool...now take all those words and abbreviations and ELI5 🤔
unfortunately DAN-FP DanGilmore Front Panel board is out of stock :( I would really like to have that.
wow!
where can i find that meter with the usb ports in the video
15:30 A REAL KHAJIIT
l always thought Steve was a HACKER ! ( there should be a shirt for that. ) thought thats what the NeW room was for ?
am I the only one who sees the undeniable resemblance between steve and Popstarnima ???