Great presentation and explanation. Here's a method that appeals to me. Once you have set the declination you can orient map to north. While this takes a little more time and effort, you are able to merge the terrain that you are seeing with the topographic features on the map. All bearings, map-to-compass and compass-to-map require no adjustments and having the terrain features oriented are nice benefits.
Great presentation! Simple and to the point. Excellent! 😊 I used to live in the UK and didn’t really have to worry about magnetic declination. I now live in Otago, New Zealand where magnetic declination is over 25 degrees East. Honestly it’s been a complete nightmare adjusting each time on a baseplate (SILVA Ranger) where declination isn’t adjustable. I’ve just picked up a compass that I can change the declination value (SILVA Expedition) and not have to worry about it. Let’s hope this is better! Have a fab week 😊
Great video. A semi-permanent compass can also be used to perform modified resection (where you are on a trail but do not know where) and resection (unknown location and landmarks available). You place the front of the compass on the maps landmark, then rotate the adjusted compass until the parallel lines are parallel to the north south lines. You draw a line, and in the case of modified resection, you have found your location on the trail. Resection requires 2 or 3 bearings. The process of drawing your lines is the same as modified resection. I would like to see you do a resection video with two types of compasses. Keep well.
Something like this ? What you're describing as a modified resection are know in the UK as transits. In this video I also cover triangulation / resection ua-cam.com/video/61uMkv19Uyw/v-deo.html
So this means that once I set declination semi permanently, I don't need to adjust it between map to compass and compass to map anymore but I can just keep it as it is?
When I did my Mountain Leader courses we just added the declination to the bearing taken from the map. IE 64 degrees + 3° is 67° and turned the bezel 3 ° more. We didnt use the inner east west scale. Its the same thing but cuts out the added complication in poor weather.
Hi. It was an example. Your videos are brilliant but I was always taught to just turn the outer bezel + or - but I see what you are doing and its good but it boils down to the same thing as you still turn the outer housing plus or minus.
When you want to identify a landmark in the field by line of position and read bearing with a semipermanent declination adjusted compass is necesary to convert backward to true north when plot bearing on the map? And for my clarification: if declination is W, magnetic bearing doesnt shoud be greater than true? Apparently after semipermanent declination adjustement in the video, magnetic seems to be lower than true. Thank you!
just beginning to learn about declination but got confused. when you demonstrated where you were going to walk to, and then adjusted for declination, the angle of travel from the compass was pointing the complete opposite according to the map...hope this explains.
He’s not orienting the map. He’s using the intermediate technique of how to determine a bearing from a map using the orienting lines in the bezel. Orienting the map is a helpful for beginners but not needed. Note how at 3:30 the magnetic needle was pointing off at ~135 d. Thats why he had to turn the compass before making the declination adjustment. He has a video all about deciding to orient the map or not. Typically most users do when navigating by features but not when using map and compass together once you understand how.
I have a silly question. I bought the Silva Explorer Pro. I was messing around with the little screw driver, moving the dial back and forth. Then I realized, wait, how do I get it back to where it was, or does it even matter?
Hi Glen, I don't know what a "Silva Explorer Pro" is - they use different names for the same compasses in different countries. To get it back to 0 - turn the bezel until the orienting lines are parallel to the North South of the compass / parallel to the edges of the base plate. Turn the small screw until the orienting arrow is exactly between the two longest orienting lines. Yes it makes a difference !
Simple question from a newbie, where do you find how much declination for the area you are in, I am in the northwest uk. And how much does it vary over the country ?
In this UK, put your postcode on this form www.geomag.bgs.ac.uk/data_service/models_compass/gma_calc.html At the moment (this will change) in most of the UK there is only a small amount of declination and so you don't need to worry about it.
@@TheMapReadingCompany: I tried putting in this reference you quoted, the site cannot be found. I live in Belfast, Northern Ireland and have a Silva Expedition 4 compass. Finally found out your site only covers GB Mainland. Tried to find it on the Irish system only to find Belfast not listed. It seems we have dropped off the map. I wonder if that will affect my Rates bill. Finally, just typed in magnetic declination in Belfast for it to come up with 1°41' which it then repeated as Negative West. What it must be like to be popular.
Questions/2 of them. #1-You have an old map and since declination changes yearly, how do you set your compass declination using that Map. #2-If you don't have a map, AND are say are hiking, how do you set declination to make sure your compass is set CORRECTLY for the area your in so you can get back to your starting point.
In some countries the declination, the at the time the map was printed is shown on the map. It should also show how much it is expected to change each year, so you can work out the declination today. Or there are many websites you can use which will give your current declination. www.ngdc.noaa.gov/geomag/calculators/magcalc.shtml
CONFUSING! You appeared to want to travel NE, but after fiddling with the compass, the direction of travel was pointing the opposite direction, unless I'm not seeing you manipulate the map as well?
Hi, sorry if it confusing. I think you're assuming the map is oriented in some direction, it isn't. There is no need to point the map in specific way when taking a bearing from a map - I've just checked (we all make mistakes now and again) and the video is correct. Have a watch of this video and it explains it in more detail: ua-cam.com/video/AWiMV4T5kPc/v-deo.html
I thought you just added or subtracted the declination on your compass based on what the map says the declination adjustment is????????? I'm confused now🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
When I am using my Suunto M3 baseplate I don't orient the map but I found that if I start using my Cammenga Lensatic compass, I get more accurate readings if I orient the map.
Right, just remember that rhyme only works when using a map to get a bearing. When using a compass alone to get a bearing, it is the opposite. Very important if you're flying an aircraft that doesn't have a glass cockpit. 🙂
Simplest, clearest, and most concise explanation/demonstration I’ve seen for Silva compasses with fixed declination scales. Many thanks!
Simple and easy to understand. You are the only person on youtube that makes these tutorials so simple and practical.
Cheers
Great presentation and explanation. Here's a method that appeals to me. Once you have set the declination you can orient map to north. While this takes a little more time and effort, you are able to merge the terrain that you are seeing with the topographic features on the map. All bearings, map-to-compass and compass-to-map require no adjustments and having the terrain features oriented are nice benefits.
Dziękuję za poradnik. W końcu wiem jak wyznaczać azymut z ustawioną deklinacją.
nie ma problemów, jestem zadowolony, że się panu podobało
Been going around the houses in UA-cam and love the way this has been taught and presented. Superb. Have subscribed and thank you!
Great presentation! Simple and to the point. Excellent! 😊 I used to live in the UK and didn’t really have to worry about magnetic declination. I now live in Otago, New Zealand where magnetic declination is over 25 degrees East. Honestly it’s been a complete nightmare adjusting each time on a baseplate (SILVA Ranger) where declination isn’t adjustable. I’ve just picked up a compass that I can change the declination value (SILVA Expedition) and not have to worry about it. Let’s hope this is better! Have a fab week 😊
Great video. A semi-permanent compass can also be used to perform modified resection (where you are on a trail but do not know where) and resection (unknown location and landmarks available). You place the front of the compass on the maps landmark, then rotate the adjusted compass until the parallel lines are parallel to the north south lines. You draw a line, and in the case of modified resection, you have found your location on the trail. Resection requires 2 or 3 bearings. The process of drawing your lines is the same as modified resection. I would like to see you do a resection video with two types of compasses. Keep well.
Something like this ? What you're describing as a modified resection are know in the UK as transits.
In this video I also cover triangulation / resection
ua-cam.com/video/61uMkv19Uyw/v-deo.html
I just watched your back bearing video. Well done.
So this means that once I set declination semi permanently, I don't need to adjust it between map to compass and compass to map anymore but I can just keep it as it is?
For a certain region and a certain number of years, yes.
FINALLY GOT IT thank you 🙂
When I did my Mountain Leader courses we just added the declination to the bearing taken from the map. IE 64 degrees + 3° is 67° and turned the bezel 3 ° more. We didnt use the inner east west scale.
Its the same thing but cuts out the added complication in poor weather.
In about half of the UK at the moment (Jan 25) you'd need to minus the declination.
Hi. It was an example. Your videos are brilliant but I was always taught to just turn the outer bezel + or - but I see what you are doing and its good but it boils down to the same thing as you still turn the outer housing plus or minus.
When you want to identify a landmark in the field by line of position and read bearing with a semipermanent declination adjusted compass is necesary to convert backward to true north when plot bearing on the map? And for my clarification: if declination is W, magnetic bearing doesnt shoud be greater than true? Apparently after semipermanent declination adjustement in the video, magnetic seems to be lower than true. Thank you!
Nice video. Thanks! Like given 🙂.
Would be good to have in the description link to the video about declination.
just beginning to learn about declination but got confused. when you demonstrated where you were going to walk to, and then adjusted for declination, the angle of travel from the compass was pointing the complete opposite according to the map...hope this explains.
He’s not orienting the map. He’s using the intermediate technique of how to determine a bearing from a map using the orienting lines in the bezel. Orienting the map is a helpful for beginners but not needed. Note how at 3:30 the magnetic needle was pointing off at ~135 d. Thats why he had to turn the compass before making the declination adjustment. He has a video all about deciding to orient the map or not. Typically most users do when navigating by features but not when using map and compass together once you understand how.
I have a silly question. I bought the Silva Explorer Pro. I was messing around with the little screw driver, moving the dial back and forth. Then I realized, wait, how do I get it back to where it was, or does it even matter?
Hi Glen, I don't know what a "Silva Explorer Pro" is - they use different names for the same compasses in different countries.
To get it back to 0 - turn the bezel until the orienting lines are parallel to the North South of the compass / parallel to the edges of the base plate. Turn the small screw until the orienting arrow is exactly between the two longest orienting lines.
Yes it makes a difference !
Simple question from a newbie, where do you find how much declination for the area you are in, I am in the northwest uk. And how much does it vary over the country ?
In this UK, put your postcode on this form
www.geomag.bgs.ac.uk/data_service/models_compass/gma_calc.html
At the moment (this will change) in most of the UK there is only a small amount of declination and so you don't need to worry about it.
@@TheMapReadingCompany: I tried putting in this reference you quoted, the site cannot be found. I live in Belfast, Northern Ireland and have a Silva Expedition 4 compass.
Finally found out your site only covers GB Mainland.
Tried to find it on the Irish system only to find Belfast not listed.
It seems we have dropped off the map. I wonder if that will affect my Rates bill.
Finally, just typed in magnetic declination in Belfast for it to come up with 1°41' which it then repeated as Negative West.
What it must be like to be popular.
You will also find the value printed on whatever Ordnance Survey map you are using.
What do you do if the declination is not working like in the video
Questions/2 of them.
#1-You have an old map and since declination changes yearly, how do you set your compass declination using that Map.
#2-If you don't have a map, AND are say are hiking, how do you set declination to make sure your compass is set CORRECTLY for the area your in so you can get back to your starting point.
In some countries the declination, the at the time the map was printed is shown on the map. It should also show how much it is expected to change each year, so you can work out the declination today.
Or there are many websites you can use which will give your current declination.
www.ngdc.noaa.gov/geomag/calculators/magcalc.shtml
CONFUSING! You appeared to want to travel NE, but after fiddling with the compass, the direction of travel was pointing the opposite direction, unless I'm not seeing you manipulate the map as well?
Hi, sorry if it confusing. I think you're assuming the map is oriented in some direction, it isn't. There is no need to point the map in specific way when taking a bearing from a map - I've just checked (we all make mistakes now and again) and the video is correct.
Have a watch of this video and it explains it in more detail: ua-cam.com/video/AWiMV4T5kPc/v-deo.html
Isn’t it opposite for East declination? Mag to grid add …
Have look at this video which I did a few days ago. This should clear things up.
ua-cam.com/video/Tf9rrmq5Vf8/v-deo.html
Thanks
I thought you just added or subtracted the declination on your compass based on what the map says the declination adjustment is????????? I'm confused now🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
You are both correct. He simply showed a different way of doing it, using the tools available on those compasses.
Shouldn't you orient the map to you known position first....then place your compass on the map to determine your declination and direction of travel?
The map can be pointing in any direction
When I am using my Suunto M3 baseplate I don't orient the map but I found that if I start using my Cammenga Lensatic compass, I get more accurate readings if I orient the map.
when i was doing my flying they did not call it DECLINATION they TOLD ME IT WAS VARIATION WEST IS BEST EAST IS LEAST
Right, just remember that rhyme only works when using a map to get a bearing. When using a compass alone to get a bearing, it is the opposite. Very important if you're flying an aircraft that doesn't have a glass cockpit. 🙂