Disney World's Biggest Mistake EVER: Iger RISKS Most Important Asset with Frontierland "Expansion"!
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- Disney World's Biggest Mistake EVER: Iger RISKS Most Important Asset with Frontierland "Expansion"!
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By the time any of this even matters, Epic Universe is going to already be working on their own expansions. They’ll destroy Rivers of America to play catch up, and they still wont even be close in the race with Epic.
We covered this story in January. I just can't believe they're actually going through with it.
Wouldn’t it be cool if Epic Universe created a new Frontier Portal that looked just like the classic Frontierland.
@@WDW_ProI can understand the frustration but to be honest I don’t think many people go to Tom sawyers anymore. Maybe a few do but Disney needs expansions and they can’t keep that rivers of America thing for long. I think there will still be water in the land. I think the reason why people are not liking this concept is because they are worried it would look like trash but none of us have any idea what it looks like. It could be good or bad but only time will tell
My family is going back to universal next year for epic universe. We're not even considering going to any of the Disney properties.
I used to love Disney and have been to Disneyland more times than I could ever count. We just moved from SoCal to Orlando 2 years ago. We did Magic Kingdom once and haven’t been back, it’s all about Universal now.
Steve Jobs said it best: The reason great companies fail is because the engineers and product visionaries who made the company great, get replaced by marketing and finance types who have no clue what made the company great in the first place.
Good quote
Heaven forbid, listening to their customers.
Um, that's not true. The companies fail because they want to get into politics and shove their politics in everyone's faces. That's why I've given up on Disney. I heard several rumors that Bob Eager Beaver wants to run for president too...
He's not wrong, but as pithy as this quote is, it doesn't take preachiness and social agendas into account.
It's because they hired and promoted based on DEI instead of merit. Disney was able to survive for years because they valued merit and quality. Now that isnt important to them anymore so everything they do is trash.
Disney is turning into a poor imitation of a Six Flags park.
And as somone who lives with the corpse of a six flags park in thier backyard, we all know how that works.
As fan of urbex I'd rather go to Six flags.
No thats an insult to six flags. They don't kill there customers with people movers.
i just want to follow up my previous statement that maybe they are turning it into a six flags park so that when the next big hurricane/disaster comes they can just dump it onto the city and wash thier hands of it.
@@NoahGooderAnd now Six Flags might be better than Disney since the merger with Cedar Fair and Disney would start declining and it’s the most stupidest idea to replace an opening day attraction at the Magic Kingdom with IP attraction when will Disney listen to their fan’s opinion’s like other theme park chains.
My sister, who has been a pixie duster for years, apologized to me today. About ten years ago, I said Disney was losing its vision. I told her Iger was going to do harm to the company in the long run. Over the last decade things got worse and worse and she came up with every excuse she could. Now that they have announced that they will demolish Rivers of America…she is broken. I told her I wished I could feel vindicated by her apology but I don’t. It is a reminder that I was right about something I wish I had been wrong about.
Bring back Tony Baxter as a consultant.
Iger must be particularly interested in destroying the company, is it some stock derivatives play to make money on stock price fall?
@@mikolaykuka9759can’t sell all the land they own to developers until the parks are destroyed imo -that’s the end game imo
Wars are always about Land
Even cultural wars imo
@@saralotti7174 now that every politicians favourite island is gone some people might need a new permanent residence that is not just underground
That the saddest part, you desperately wanted to be wrong.
Do modern imagineers not understand how carefully curated the location of everything was to keep each land separate and immersive?
Scam-agineers
probably not since they have the tiktok brain rot.
No, they probably don't care. They want to "make their mark".
Judging from the mess they have made of Disney's "Adventure Worlds" 🙄the answer is no.
modern "imagineers" don't even know what curated means.
Step 1 - Demolish Rivers of America
Step 2 - Budget Cut Cars Land
Step 3 - Villains Land becomes Villains Popcorn Bucket
I think it's telling that your 3 step plan doesn't involve profit, you must have a source in the executive suite.
I got quite the props on X when I mentioned take the villains land artwork and reduce it to 25-35% of what’s actually drawn. The concept artist can draw anything he wants. He’s not constrained by budget or physics and statics. Only has to buy colored pencils.
Same with any company and marketing’s promises and what the budget and engineering can actually provide. Since Disney went on a layoff spree of their best (and admittedly probably pricey, but worth it) imagineers, the current crop has no one to learn from to pass the torch.
I’m sure there are some imagineers who realize how dumb this is, but upper management wants a quick buck with zero investment so random IP’s it is!
@@jim2386Ok but... Universal has been using concept art for years, too. And guess what? You usually get exactly what they showed, or darn close to it. So uh, yeah. Of course, it helps that they've gained most of the good imagineers from Disney over the past 15yrs. 😅
This sounds about right too
pass the popcorn 🍿🍿
Disney is systematically removing the history of American from the parks 😡
I'm sorry, but saying that American history is being lost is akin to say you get cultural knowledge by visiting country pavillions in Epcot, translation: you don't.
@@Mike__B I remember when Epcot opened (and for several years) you did get some education about the culture of the different countries represented there. Maybe not the same as actually being in each country, but there was an attempt to teach visitors about each country’s culture. Walt Disney had a major part in the design of Disneyland (including trying to educate on a small level the American history and culture) and Disney World continued his design dream and legacy. The current people in charge of the company make it very obvious that they are not only removing it, they are erasing it.
That is THE first thought I had. They are destroying old town USA because they hate America so much.
Globalists don’t want America themes-they just want our land for themselves imo
@@Mike__B Yes you do get cultural knowledge by visiting Epcot and it will be stuck in the 1980s when I take over Disney to the point that the Cold War will still be going on.
Why does modern Disney feel it’s their sole purpose in life to take the magical, the beautiful, and the inspirational and repurpose it into a flaming pile of dog crap?
Modern Disney does not belong to the family. Years ago, they allowed international investors and opened the door to ruin.
They want to attract more of their own to the parks I guess.
Frontierland is the best thing at Disney. With it gone I'll never go back. Frontier land is amazing.
No it isn’t it’s a boring street with nothing attractive
Go to Paris. There is still consistent story connecting Thunder Mesa, the River and Phantom Manor
I am in agreement with you. That is the plan however, to remove and replace the typical American that holds dear to the values that made us a superpower. Frontierland. Who needs it anymore? we who cherish through the generations the pleasures of reimagining the past of our forefathers.
Nobody hates their customers more than the Walt Disney corporation
Nobody hates Walt Disney more than Bob Iger and his crew.
They should just remove Walt's name from what remains of this company, it's a complete disgrace to his name at this point.
@@365ral I don't think he hates the company but, instead, is part of this religious cult called, "Progressivism". This is an anti-religion religion.. Does your religion tell you to forgive? Well, Progressivism will have no part of that! Does your religion tell you that boys are boys and girls are girls? Progressivism rejects that out of hand! Anything you think of as "normal" Progressivism describes as abnormal. Your husband-wife union is a good example. Why not "fix" that husband-wife problem by allowing her to have multiple lovers - this is Progressivism!
As such, Bob thinks he's "doing the right thing" because he's a Progressive zealot and all of you/us are just stupid, backwoods, old school, etc because we're not embracing the new Woke way. It's not his fault Wokeness isn't selling but YOUR fault that you're not buying. If you'd only open up your closed, dark, racist, white-supremacist hearts to the new way of understanding... The Progressive way... then all would be right with the world and the Disney Company would make money.
They're currently working their way through each of the attractions to "fix" them. As mentioned in the video, I expect the Hall of Presidents to go away and maybe a U.N. or W.E.F. attraction to take its place.
Here's one no one's thought of: Main Street being "re-imagined". Why? Because it ties back to "problematic America" which isn't pure in everything it has ever done so.. problematic... Needs to be fixed.
They will destroy the Magic Kingdom and the Disney company. There's no stopping this.
The Disney World management, for reasons inexplicable, have chosen to treat the park goers as ignorant suckers to be ripped off rather than as welcome guests to be valued.
Boeing and Harley are playing catch up
As a former Cast Member who worked at Haunted Mansion and Big Thunder, this makes me ill. Of course changes are appropriate over time but the recent decisions to destroy instead of expand are maddening.
thank you for your service
Exactly. Nobody has any issue with adding. Especially since they have unlimited unused land at WDW. There is plenty of space on the northwest side of Magic Kingdom to expand if you look on Google maps. There is zero need to destroy/remove anything at Walt Disney World to make room for new stuff. Every decision they make now is baffling.
It's even worse when you think about the fact that in a lot of these cases there are bits of the park that are falling out of favor, but they aren't retheming those bits. The back half of the island would have been the logical place to put a Tiana themed attraction. It's already wet and low lying, so they could have easily put something in there that would be appropriate to the particular character and I'm not sure how many people even use the current island at this point, especially that back half.
Random Question.. I’ve heard the haunted mansion as well as several
Other structures were actually buildings that predate Disney world. I believe the tower of terror at Disney sea was a similarly repurposed historic building
Do u know about this?
@@IstariAzul777all online myths. Nothing was there except swamp
What happened to “Here in Florida, we have something special we never enjoyed at Disneyland…the blessing of size. There’s enough land here to hold all the ideas and plans we can possibly imagine”?
Like I said before and I'll say it again. They are turning Disney into a really expensive Six Flags. It so sad.
Isn’t that a good thing?
as somone who has the corpse of six flags in thier back yard it never ends well.
@@user-tz3wq3yo5k No it's not and when I take over Disney you won't be allowed in for not having your fan papers.
This announcement made me officially decide to not renew the annual pass.
Loosing the steam boat is like loosing apart of Walt’s legacy
I regret renewing my Annual Pass! I waited years to afford one so I could enjoy the Magic endlessly but the Magic is fading away, quickly. I’m now planning to buy Universal AP since the Magic has moved down the street
That’ll show ‘em!🤣
@@roguewand833 your right it is just me. And who cares right :)
But hey they say vote with your wallet. ;)
If Splash Mountain was the hill to die on, then is this the last river of defense. If this moves forward then WDW is no longer Walt Disney World, but Bob's Land of Intellectual Properties (BLIP).
Blippi’s universe
Bob Iger World
Leave the historical Magic Kingdom, and its attractions alone, and just build that fifth gate for all of these new projects. Disney needs to have that answer to Epic Universe, so quit procrastinating and start building that new park. Destroying the Magic Kingdom we all love, and grew up with, is not the answer!
They need to bring back Imagineering and get rid of all these Destructioneers. Get rid of Iger and the entire board while they’re at it!!
Easier said than done
@@animezilla4486 We had a proxy battle just a few months ago… get the feeling that was just the overture.
@@jesseforlife1038 Agreed. Iger out!!
The board needs to grow a pair and elect a conservative CEO that understands to stay out of politics
Too late the good Imagineers have all gone to Universal
WILL SOMEONE GET IGER THE HELL OUT OF HERE!?!?
Yes. This! Get him out! He ruined everything Walt envisioned. Its no longer the Disney we knew and loved
Hopefully, Elon has a plan to take it from him.
This is what happens when you promote a second rate weatherman to CEO
Bye bye consistent thening and storytelling. Bye bye immersion and relaxation. Hello IP slapped across from noisy IP. Welcome to Six Flags Orlando
One of my favorite parts about going to Disney parks used to be the fact that they planned for sight lines. It's not something you really notice if it's not pointed out, but it makes a significant difference in terms of not really seeing more than one land at a time in most parts of the park.
So happy someone else is just as upset about the destruction of frontier land as we are. I’m hearing the argument is no one uses the boat and the island except those of us who are old school Disney lovers. I’m hearing these new rides will ease the wait times for the others. WHO CARES! My 23 and 24 year old sons are crushed. The memories of running through the caves, jump scaring us and each other are precious. We are crushed! Our memories of resting from the heat and crowds in a rocking chair and watching the riverboat go by are now all we have left of the once magical frontier land. Mourning the death of a beloved part of our family.
yeah, ease the wait times? The Disney World counts were down this summer and it was in deficit $....they are in a panic is why they are doing this but it wont save their company as stockholders make the decisions. They arent imagineers.
They should rename the corporation, since they're determined to destroy everything Walt Disney created.
The Bob Igers Communist Anti-American Corporation.
Yep 6 flags
The Bob Iger Company
Disney does not understand thst ip’s come and go, original ideas are timeless and you can even turn them into new ip’s.
You know, I desperately wanted to go see Deadpool when it came out. I didn’t because I refuse to support this insanity. I’m not gonna finance the demise of Disney.
R.I.P. Disneyland and Disney World.
the day splash mountain closed was the day fronteirland died
Absolutely.
@@user-rr5ey7pv7c Country Bear Jamboree with Liver Lips McGrowl too.
I Don't Think The Day Splash Mountain Closed Was The Day Frontierland Closed @user-rr5ey7pv7c?
I Think It Was The Controversal Never Released Song Of The South [1946] That The Ride Was Centered Around That Closed It!
Splash Mountain did not close in WDW>
I rode Splash Mountain twice. This was as a 10 and 12 year old in 2014 and 2016. I am so glad I got to experience such a good ride as a kid. Frontier Land was amazing! Disney was also a much better company then!!
Yes it was.
This is why DEI nonsense is destructive to any company. They aren't talking about what they are creating. They are celebrating what they are destroying.
I don't even think this is DEI at this point, this is just Disney in straight up panic mode, trying to cram as many IPs as they can into their flagship park in a pathetic attempt to compete with Epic Universe.
There was no DEI associated with The Skeleton Crew. That's why Kathleen Kennedy and her followers at LucasFilm hate this show and have been trying to sabotage it. Bob Iger had already exiled KK from LucasFilm BEFORE she was able to throw a monkey wrench into the the production of the show.
Exactly right
So true. And I don't understand either if Walt bought lots of land, why not use it and just make more rides without destroying the old? I know its expensive, but they waste SO much money. And now they are destroying my most favorite theme park in the US. I'm so thankful for the memories I have before all this nonsense began.
It was always about iconoclasm.
I’ve been peeved about this all day. Villains land sounds amazing, but it belongs behind Fantasyland. There’s plenty of land there. Carsland, meanwhile, should be exactly that-Carsland, with Radiator Springs Racers but with a different track and slightly different storyline. And it belongs BEHIND BTM. Tom Sawyer Island can be reimagined but not torn down. The Liberty Belle should DEFINITELY become a floating restaurant with character dining or maybe a dedicated character meet and greet opportunity. The Riverboats in Disneyland are ALWAYS packed, and they have a Tiana meet and greet. To me, this is the proverbial straw. The Splash retheme had the “problematic” component to use as an excuse to change. Country Bears was outdated, so it had a legit excuse, and at least they kept the concept. The destruction of the Moroccan tile and fountain was already pushing it. Communicore could be explained by lack of funds and also they could be bare-bonesing it for the festivals. But this?? Getting rid of Rivers of America to replace it with non-IP Cars cars butting up against Haunted Mansion and Liberty Square is beyond the pale. Where is the logic? It’s not an expansion, and I am not fooled.
The ride is only an excuse to destroy what was loved.
Having an entrance to Villains Land behind Gaston’s Tavern is such a missed opportunity. It could have been ‘hidden’ much like the diagon alley entrance at Universal
You need to unite us Pro. Let’s get a massive petition going form die hard fans to save the River of America!!!
What about stock holders they can't all agree with this !!!
Imagineers versus the un-Imagineers…
Always expect Disney to destroy all that it has. Never attach yourself to anything disney.
The original Frontierland was so much more "Frontierland" than what is left now. There was a stage coach with live horses, a mule train ride on live mules, canoes you could paddle and keel boats you could ride with Mike Fink, King of the River, an Indian Village with costumed dancers, shooting galleries, and a gentle Mine Train ride that was replaced by just another fast roller coaster. The loss of Frontierland has been on-going for ages.
Yes, although a lot of that stuff was legitimately racist enough that it wouldn't just be the wokesters objecting. Most of that stuff being lost is just as well. The problem now is that as often as not the new stuff is just objectively terrible, so even the folks that didn't experience the original are going to be upset.
In Disneyland, not the MK
@@SmallSpoonBrigade Playing make believe with fictional characters is not racism. True racism is hiring real people because of their immutable characteristics, while denying employment to others based on their immutable characteristics. HUGE difference.
YES!!!!! I remember it all so well. A magical time.
This is bad. The worst decision Disney made was closing the animation studio. Then Disney started another one, but much smaller.
That really depends on who is actually upset about this
"pave paradise and put up a parking lot", I think that's a song. The mismanagement of Disney is epic. How much will they raise ticket prices for this "upgrade"?
Everything about the original parks was perfectly designed. It was like an advanced puzzle where every single piece fit perfectly with the next. But Bob Iger could help himself from starting to rearange the pieces, removing pieces and throwing half the puzzle into the trash, replacing them with badly made, illfitted pieces. And now everything is a mess. There’s no longer a consistent picture, just chaos.
This is an insult.. Walt's favorite land was Frontierland. Disney has done more than enough to destroy their reputation. If they slowly begin to intentionally remove the traditional Americana from the parks, like the wild west, and Main Street USA, then this brand will be unrecognizable. It is certainly not Walt's Disney.
I thought Walt Disney’s favourite land was Fantasyland
If they go through with this, then it will definitely open the door for a buyout as the stock plummets.
Which the real Masters behind the weatherman wanted all along and including the destruction of Americana in the process. They don't call it "playing the long game" for a reason.
@@jrenfield I think the opposite would happen. There are many out there who want Disney to return to Walt's vision than Iger's.
At this point.
The only reason they haven't changed the the Disney name.
It's because they want that brand recognition. Because without it, they'd be completely irrelevant.
yep, at this point they are a completely different corporation with just a thin layer of lead filled paint reflecting the disney name.
Yeah this company and it's parks are not worthy of Walts name anymore. He would be disgusted.
Iger Land doesn't have the pull they think it does. BLM Mountain of Power will drive away the crowds, seeing a big mascot of Kathleen Kennedy lumbering around instead of Mickey or Goofy will give the children nightmares for years to come. They'll replace the County Bear Jamboree with the Virgina Wolf Feminist Howlers, it will open to a crowd of maybe 5, Iger Land will be a disaster!
That riverboat is HIGHLY underutilized.... if it simply transported you to the other side of the river it would have droves of people.
You didn’t have to be ON it for it to add a magic touch to your visit, especially for foreign visitors.
You just had to watch and hear it.
Not only is Rivers of America and Tom Sawyer Island beautiful, it’s part or the soul of the Magic Kingdom, and it’s also what connects Frontierland and Liberty Square. If they remove Rivers of America, then there’s impossible to keep the theming of either lands.
Watching Disney self-destruct is like watching one of their damaged child stars meltdown.
I enjoy hearing pixie dusters approve with glee every change Walts company makes.
@@PresidentBr0wnVagena2024I mean tbf no one even uses Tom Sawyer anyways. Plus Disney would’ve wanted the park to expand anyways
Upgrade existing stuff don't destroy what's there
@user-tz3wq3yo5k thanks for this example
After being roped into Scientology (or some other cult).
Destroying Frontierland and worse the river boat will be gone….no more horn whistling….no more whooshing of the paddle wheel….no more restful ride around Tom’s island…….im so disgusted …so I called today and cancelled my November trip…I’m just fed up with all these changes and as a “yes I’m that olde “ yr old who spent many many many yrs going we are done…..
Universal Studios, IOA and Epic Universe will have more water than Magic Kingdom park.
As sad as I was about Splash, this is actually making me nauseous.
I agree with everything you said WDW Pro. We need the beauty of the water. So glad I made a lot of memories at Magic Kingdom before they destroy it with this nonsense. Why can't they just add some new without destroying the classics that we appreciate and enjoy so much. It makes me very sad and if i think about it enough, very angry too. I can hear it in your voice too.
Cheers to Universal and Epic.
Tom Sawyer Island has been one of my favorite areas to go to get away from the crowds for a while. I remember the barrel bridge as my favorite items. I love that bridge, I have always enjoyed them and finding out they want to remove it. It makes me sick.
If they have the expansion pads, why not use them? It makes no sense. Just because they want to erase the past, because it's not their idea. Poor Walt must be spinning in his grave for the B.S. they're pulling.
Certain elements of the park have lasted for 70 years and should not be touched. Like when someone decided to install a modern metal railing along the bridge at Sleeping Beauty Castle. They also removed the banner area seating, installed a walkway, and removed the drawbridge decorated with chains and shields. They put in a stupid bridge. Don't screw with the art.
I knew this day would come.
No one believed me.
Even if it is the case then wouldn’t it add more capacity to the park Wich people want
@@user-tz3wq3yo5kMore capacity, yes, but at a huge cost that frankly isn't worth it imo.
@@TheFoxFromSplashMountain well they can’t keep these lands forever. At some point they need to expand their parks even if it means replacing stuff
It's not coming at all. This announcement is fake and I still don't believe you.
@@user-tz3wq3yo5k or just build a fifth park. Not everything needs to be destroyed.
My contacts in Burbank are mentioning that they do not want to pay for the maintenance/upkeep for The Rivers of America, and Tom Sawyer's Island.
Also, they will save some on infrastructure to not building on the unused land.
One of their main goals is to reduce maintenance costs.
e.g. Less Cast Members, a lot less Cast Members in the Actors' Equity Association, cleaning staff, less fireworks (replaced by projections), less housekeeping in the hotels, less maintenance staff, less parades (Hollywood Studios use to have several parades a day, Epcot use to have parades, Magic kingdom replace parades with Cavalcades) which is also related to reduced Actors' Equity Association staff (Actors' Equity Association Cast Members get paid more then the normal Cast Members).
so they are willing to spend possibly triple the money to carve up the area vs just the normal upkeep?
FL dismantled the Reedy Creek District bubble, so, there may be costly permits and excessive red tape for permits to build new structures vs. renovation of existing structures.
I'm sort of surprised that they don't just put a fancy restaurant on one end of the island and install a bayou. They could have just themed it after Tiana and most folks would probably have been happy with the change.
And yet the prices just keep increasing. We haven’t been since 2012 - and we were DVC owners/annual+ visitors starting in 1998 - and I can’t see us ever going back.
Well too bad none of this is happening and you don't have contacts in Burbank. After I take over Disney and make it great again, I will pay for maintenance and cause costs to soar into the stratosphere causing the bean counters to head for the exits. Admission will also be less than 50 bucks.
"They said it was mad to build a castle on the swamp, but I built it all the same, just to show 'em! It sank into the swamp. So I built a second one".
And that one sank into the swamp 😂
But the third one…the third one stayed up.
@@trevertravis8963 not so! The third one burned down, fell over and then sank into the swamp. But the fourth one stayed up!
@@tneal89 Yes, you are correct. Got my castles mixed up.
@@trevertravis8963 not to worry, worked out in the end
This is exactly what big corporate theme parks have done to the parks throughout our country. They don’t care anything about the history and do not understand the fan base that wants it preserved. Example cedar fair. Goodbye Walt Disney we have the memories in our hearts and minds. The park is gone.
Do you feel that way about universal studio theme Park
Frontierland was the best part of the park when I was a kid. They've probably ruined it by now, but they used to have guns set up along the fort, and had a speaker to make a "bang" sound when you pulled the trigger. I spent like an hour there running around 'shooting' those things when I was a tyke.
I'm completely disgusted by this idea to wipe out Frontier Land and fill in the river. Are you friggin' kidding me Disney? I have never seen ANY company try so hard to kill itself. Is this company being run by people that sincerely HATE it? It damn sure looks like it. If this really happens,... I'm going to be super pissed....and I hope that all "legacy" fans speak out loudly against this. OK,...build the dang attraction. I think it looks cool. BUT DON'T BUILD IT HERE!
I've never wanted Disney to fail and always hoped for a comeback, but this takes the heart and soul out of the Magic Kingdom. How long before they go after Cinderella's castle? My heart breaks because this is wrong on every level. I loved the story the lands told as you described, and although I never noticed it until you pointed it out, now I can't unsee it, and that was the Disney magic. Telling a story without having to use signs. We were immersed in the story, even to the sightlines. My heart breaks for those Imagineers who worked on Walt's Disney and are watching this mindless destruction. This is like working for hours on a beautiful sandcastle on the beach and some toddler comes up and runs through it, knocking it all down.
the only thing between them and the castle is finding some way to be offended by it combined with a justification for that offense that may run along the same lines as the zip.
Communists rewrite history with propaganda. DIS is just part of propaganda machine
Disney World’s first biggest mistake was removing 20,000 leagues Under the Sea. One of my favorite attractions at WDW but also visually beautiful looking out at the lagoon and the subs. It was so iconic and the bean counters just didn’t understand it’s worth from an aesthetic value and icon of the park. Sad to see them
continue to fail.
I miss it as well
I'm not sad. These bean counters AND their woke political brethren like Bobby Eager Iger are what will destroy what's left. Mark my words, Disney WILL go bankrupt. There is nothing that can be done to save it. That's what you get when you let the bean counters and politicians steer the ship.
The water was leaking into the untildoor tunnels. It made sense, as it was getting hard to maintain. But they could have done something better. With the current crap-I just don’t know if I like Disney anymore. Fine with Epcot, Studios and AK. I even am ok with Ak changes. But when the ruin the beauty of Frontierland-I’m done.
100%.
Looking at water just gives a person a sense of tranquility.
I loved the tropical looking waters of 20K.
Even muddy looking waters of Rivers of America are soothing.
Disney is turning the whole park into a concrete jungle.
Turning that river into a walking path in disgusting.
Meanwhile at Universal - their new land has water everywhere.
So the solution to the problem of parks not making enough money is to tear down a huge section of the park and pay lots of money to replace it. With no guarantees that the replacement will be more popular or successful.
It won't succeed. I wouldn't pay even $20 a ticket to go see this politically sanitized garbage. Looks like my time with Disney is over. I will never visit their theme parks again but then, I didn't go in 2019 because they priced me right out the door. I haven't been on an actual vacation ever since.
Remember that Disney was expecting Galaxy’s Edge in Disneyland to have a HUGE turnout only to have had the polar opposite and tight budget cuts as a result. I hope Disney isn’t making the same mistake here in Florida.
They don’t even jave the money to spare for this
yeah, ask Tiana how that's workin for her
I spent an absurd amount of my childhood on Disney World property growing up in the early 80’s to early 90’s. The level of corruption and self immolation Disney has engaged in makes me acutely nauseous. At least my grandparents didn’t have to witness this self inflicted downfall.
Disney has corrupted "your" (your american) minds ... and is partly responsible for the DATING PROBLEM right now, which has women asking for "princess treatment" on the basis of BELIEVING "Disney movies are REALITY / HOW IT IS SUPPOSED TO BE"!
Reality is NOT "a story written by Disney" ... and never was. Even the Disney stories are a "harmless-i-fied" FAKE COPY of a german/european fairytale, just like that silly castle ... because "you americans" are too afraid of naughty words or your children crying to face them with bad consequences AS A TEACHING OPPORTUNITY.
Glad I enjoyed WDW as a kid. I'd hate to be a kid today. My kids won't be going to Disney.
At least if you ever plan on going to a theme park, there's Universal, which doesn't destroy popular attractions to virtue signal.
@@SirBuzzwith all due respect that is kind of a lie universal have destroyed popular attraction it may not be for virtual points but it's definitely for greed
@@animezilla4486 Jaws and Back to the Future were amazing.
@@chuck037 they were
Facts, this is a HORRENDOUS idea. Put the cars land behind Big Thunder Mountain...
Remember that Disney shortened the Rivers of America and Tom Sawyer Island in Disneyland, and at the expense of closing down some classic attractions that are quintessentially Walt Disney over an extended time, for a Star Wars land that didn’t work out. Sounds like Disney is repeating the same mistake in Florida.
Whats even worse is that Florida rains from Summer to Sept. with Hurricane season in Aug. and yet, they want to build an outdoor attraction with hot, rainy & humid weather…. Pathetic. The attraction will go down more than Tiana if thats even possible. Pathetic
To everyone finally seeing Disney’s stupidity, Universal is just right around the corner and is welcoming you with open arms with everything from superior theming and actual working attractions that won’t be torn down just for being American-themed. But the best part of it all is that this is just the beginning of Universal’s takeover once they start phase 2 or 3 and start upgrading their existing parks with more theming and more things like Nintendo properties such as Zelda or Pokémon.
For the first time, I am no longer worried about Epic Universal. It will succeed partly because Disney is burning itself down. ANYone who thinks Disney is a threat is dreaming and stuck in the 1990s...
@largol33t12 Yeah, and that's the problem with this D23. It was Disney's last and final resort to pull off something big before Epic opened, and they completely fell flat by saying none of the new stuff is blue sky, but so far, every bit of it seems to be blue sky with no attraction names and no confirmation on opening dates.
Don’t think this is stupidity. It’s a determined effort to remove the Americana from the parks. The current leadership despises Walt’s legacy of American exceptionalism and patriotism
Yes Woke Democrat liberals at work
i mean they would probably get rid of main street USA or the hall of presidents of all things before a river boat if that was the case
Anymore, all I do is enjoy videos of the WDW that was. Iger has ruined Disney. They’re never getting another $ out of me.
And they lied about Walt’s AA figure! Today Diane Disney Miller’s daughter spoke out against turning her Grampa into a robot!!!! The family that D’Amaro referenced turns out to be a great nephew on Roy’s side. Just when you think they’re not disgusting enough, they manage to plumb the depths.
The people who work at Disney don't have nostalgia for what has been part of our lives since we were young. They would cement the entire place if they could. Fools.
They need to stop replacing things and start adding more things because they need more capacity.
Universal studios theme parks have done the same thing about replacing their attractions with newer ones I don't see nobody complain about that
LOL, capacity won't be an issue when so many people do the "Seen it once and done it!" trip. I've checked message boards a LOT for the past year. Nobody likes Disney. They're angry about everything from trash on the streets, broken rides (not just Tiana's, but a lot of others due to NEGLECT), soaring prices, ugly hotel room that are constantly being remodeled. It never seems to end. One day, Bobby Iger will look around and wonder where all his guests have gone.
@@animezilla4486Universal is out of space at their current parks that's why they always have to replace things.
Tiana dining on the Liberty Belle would have been brillant & made Disney $$$
Adding characters (Mickey, Minnie, Donald, Daisey, etc.) could have made the Liberty Belle must-do dinning just like eating with Cinderella at the Castle.
Disney’s Dead and Bob Iger killed it
We need Micheal Eisner back as CEO because he never put IP attractions into any of the parks since he made unique and fun themed attractions for the people who visited Walt Disney World and also created Hollywood Studios and Animal Kingdom and yes he made mistakes too but Iger is a piece of garbage with Bob Chapek and why can’t he return as CEO since he would be better than Iger will ever be
Not really “beyond” Big Thunder, is it?
not at all
@@jbachjrvillains will be
@@user-tz3wq3yo5k Bob Iger and Josh D’Amaro are the villains! 😡
Looks to be in front of Big Thunder to me. Between Big Thunder And the Castle is not BEYOND Big Thunder.
@@user-tz3wq3yo5k troll
So they're gonna build a big paved bowl surrounded by tall structures with no air flow on all sides in a heavily crowded theme park in Florida....ummm, this might not work out the way they want it to
Disney doesn't care about historic significance and preservation anymore...this is really sad, and another horrible business decision!!
Do you remember Harris the hyena saying “we will be unburdened by what has been” over and over? Thats what Disney is doing under the direction of its largest shareholder Blackrock. Do you know where it comes from? It’s a Marxist mantra. It’s what Stalin, Mao and other communist dictators do. They will discard history in an effort to control and convince you that they know better. Think of all the history being destroyed in the past 4 years.
That's because of the weirdos that are running the company now.
Meanwhile, Universal just wrapped their 60th anniversary studio tour in UH where they brought out a bunch of their historical bits to look at. They have gotten rid of a lot of the stuff I loved from the tour, but it's mostly been by necessity and on the whole the replacements have been competent enough, although I wish there'd be less glasses use.
How do you know this is a horrible business decision does people even care about this
It's run by Mar,xists now. They despise history.
I’ve been upset by the replacement and destruction of WDW many times in the recent years (especially EPCOT), but this made me feel genuinely nauseous and I actually started crying in helpless anger, which was a reaction that even surprised me. This is truly the final straw & I will not give Disney another cent the moment they start this desecration. I will be done with them for good.
I totally agree!
The river boat could be turned into a dining experience.
Or, they could have short shows on it. Sit in your seats for a trip or two around while they put on a stage show.
Iger is a menace. Star Wars is destroyed. Indiana Jones is destroyed. Polynesian Resort has been ruined. Now its time to destroy all the parks.
Liberty Square is next to go
Of course it will. They don't even celebrate 4th of July in 1776 fashion they way they did for years after opening. The first shot was when they cancelled the Disney Fife and Drum band.
Ugh! Noooo!!!!
Let’s hope not!
Depending on who wins the election, it could be sooner rather than later.
Total brutality. With this they're just going for the lowest common denominator and destroying any higher intelligence of Disney. The brain drain to universal just really destroyed the company.
Disney has been dead to me for years.
Destroy an icon feature to replace it with an outdated IP.
At this rate I can’t stand this Disney Era anymore nor it’s fandom given how they’re all praising iger while it seems they lost sight of what Disney meant to them instead its more about supporting the current thing it has made me lean more towards epic universe as they got 4 parks ready by the time Disney begins their ground breaking universe will have the next phase in progress. Whatever happen to the 5th gate bob promise and aren’t the Disney blogger questioning about that? Simple it’s don’t question bob just consume and you’ll get your special VIP Access.
Iger is one FUCKED UP INDIVIDUAL.
Just when you think the Disney Corp can't get any dumber... they say, "Here hold my dolewhip." This is ridiculous!
This is disgusting what Disney has done. I am officially done if they do remove Frontierlands Rivers of America, Liberty Belle, and Tom Sawyers Island.
No one cares ab that land anyways.
shouldve been officially done after splash mountain. welcome to the club though lol
Same. Absolutely never returning
Is it really disgusting how many people actually visit those places
@@animezilla4486 they are being drama queens
Marvin nailed it. Let's start calling it... removal of all American history. 😢
I’m telling you the hall of presidents will be gone before January.
@TooneyTownTV I agree... and it breaks my heart. It also is a call to parents to make sure we don't let our children grow up where they don't learn about these things because that's far more scary than any Villains' land.
No
When "Princess and the Frog" came out, I remember that at Disneyland, they used the Mark Twain for a show involving Facilier, Tiana and Prince Navine. They even had a bit about Facilier's "Friends from the other side". The River Steamboat in the film was based on the Mark Twain. There is no reason, instead of a log flume ride set in the Louisiana Bayou, the Mark Twain and Tom Sawyer's Island would have been perfect of a Princess and the Frog themed area at both Disneyland and the (now) Tragic Kingdom.
Frontierland is my favorite land and always will be. If they change it one bit I’ll never come back to the parks. Some of my strongest memories were forged in Frontierland
Tom Sawyer island isn’t much visited
TSI was one of my favorite places, way back in the day.
@@user-tz3wq3yo5k TSI gets replaced, next thing you know, big thunder mountain is Mirabel’s magic railroad
Tom Sawyer Island could be turned into an island of charter meet and greets!!!!
Do anybody even cares about that area
This is so bad... And after the Tiana debacle, I have no confidence that WDI can design and build functional attractions. Just stupid. But I bet they want to get that expensive steam-powered boat off of the maintenance logs.
TBH, I think they should have rethemed part of the island into a Tiana attraction of some sort if the island is being underutilized in it's current state. They probably could have installed a tunnel under the waterway with elevators on either side for ADA accessibility as well.
Are we starting to understand that this destruction is on purpose?
100% agree with Pro as usual, the water looks beautiful at night and the Riverboat and Tom Sawyer Island will be sadly missed just like Splash Mountain and the Shooting Archade. 😢
Why does Tiana's look like the mother nature thing from the end of Moana spreading her cheeks and pooping out water and logs?
Why does the art of Disneyland look like so dystopian, like concept art for Epic Mickey?
If you were trying to blow up Disney, what would you do that the Weatherman isn't doing already?
I would love to have a Cars Land at the Magic Kingdom or elsewhere at Disney World, but not at the expense of the Rivers of America.
I love the water and lush landscaping of the Magic Kingdom’s Rivers of America and would hate to see it destroyed and replaced.
I’ve always wished that Fantasyland and Tomorrowland had something similar as they both have areas that feel like poorly landscaped concrete jungles.
It’s stupid to destroy the scenic and gorgeous Rivers of America when there is plenty of space to build Cars Land elsewhere.
If Cars Land must replace any existing attractions it should replace the lackluster Storybook Circus or equally terrible Tomorrowland Speedway.
After attending the 3 panels at D23, this news is very sad. There is no need to destroy this area of the park unless you are a communist…. Oh wait , that explains it!
Well. No one even uses that land anyway
all thats missing is the hammer and sickle
Implying Disney is communist is hilarious.
@@Lux_Aeternae the current Disney corporation is run by a bunch of liberals who are communist. Not Walt Disney as he was a true conservative. He would not like Eiger or the current team.
Laughing through my tears!
The worst part is when they think of all this crap, they forget about us, the fans. Is this something that the people that pay thee money to visit the park? Hell NO! What Walt designed has been there for almost 52 years, and it's still bringing people. Once people see Epic Universe, there will be no reason to come to WDW, as much as it pains me to say that!
I can tell you one thing is is absolutely true. I will never visit a Disney park again. I will not watch any movie they produce, or any station/streaming service they own. EVIL.
That means you'll have to avoid all MCU, Star Wars, Simpsons, ABC stuff etc (Disney has lots and lots of IPs and companies under its wing) Good luck and understandable :(
Yes or no , did u went to the cinema to watch Deadpool vs wolverine ?
@@noob1138 Disney is losing every single one of those IPs under antitrust.
@@noob1138 Well, all that you mentioned (MCU, Star Wars, Simpsons and ABC) are franchises I haven't watched in three years so no big loss for me. It has been easier to boycott Disney than I thought. I haven't used Disney+ in three years and haven't been to a movie theater in four years. The LAST Disney film I saw in theaters? Pirates of the Caribbean: At world's end.
It sounds like there will be no reason to visit the parks soon.
Oh my… this one is TRULY heartbreaking. RIP - you will be missed Frontierland! ❤
I've been saying it for years, this has always been about iconoclasm.