You have a right to speak but not to be heard. People can choose to be concerned or not, people can choose to be hypocrites with this sort of rhetoric whilst going about using the very resources they wish to abolish.
When I see extinction rebellion members stop using mobile phones , electronic and gas goods of any kind, mass produced food, anything made in a factory including clothing, fuel or electrical transport, anything where plastic is used either to contain food/drink etc along with any goods made of plastic, then and only then will I believe they are genuine. To demand anything of anyone you must first LEAD BY EXAMPLE. Are they willing to do so immediately.
If Extinction Rebellion causes inconvenience, keep in mind its protests are less inconvenient than its main competitor, human extinction: Becoming extinct can make one's day noticeably more difficult. Call me old fashioned, but residence on a livable planet is very convenient, and the rapidly declining condition of our biosphere is our most important conversation ever. No matter how things play out for our only home, planet Earth, seeing the manner in which this band of rebels have gotten the ball rolling on this long overdue conversation is admirable.
You're obviously intelligent and articulate. It's terrifying that someone of your calibre falls for this. This is what gives me zero hope. You're good nature is being manipulated masterfully.
Agree, I think maybe the issue of the possible extinction of most life on the planet is more important than people having travel disruptions for a few days. Maybe they should take a day off and stop and listen to the protesters. Maybe the whole world should take a whole week off every year and discuss this issue.
Maybe the lady talking about the yellow jackets could be honest enough to mention all the facts instead of saying the movement iss only about a carbon tax on fuel. It is much more about the austerity measures and the shamelessness of the governement in enriching the 1%.
It is truly scary how disconnected people are. They are concerned about being "disrupted" on their way to work or not going on holiday. How disruptive will it be when there is no food and and all wildlife dies? Where will we "holiday" when the roads are melting and the forests are burning? Mind boggling. Direct action is likely the ONLY thing that will make a difference at this point. Great job by all Extinction Rebellion activists!!!
Tree planting, tree planting, tree planting. FFS. A discussion on tree planting, with expert input, should be dominating the debate on short term remedial actions. Almost everyone can get out and help plant trees and almost everyone can help look after a tree. Or take care of a small piece of forest or scrubland or wetland. It's just a matter of organisation and commitment. It's something Extinction Rebellion could organise itself with government assistance and expertise.
Matt W your strong will on talking about tree plantation is beautiful, I see myself when I refer to animal agriculture which is the worst for the planet in this era. Change is coming Go vegan
Alberto Scatto actually we need to do more than go vegan and may not even have to go vegan, the way we produce crops also causes pollution, ie the fertilizers. We need to plan the food economy using technology and experts, to help us get the lowest amount of pollution possible. I think areas of interest around this could be aqua culture (fish farming) urban farming, hydroponics etc, a lot I lack knowledge in because I am not a scientist, however I do understand economics very well and can see that market forces won’t be able to achieve a sustainable food economy even if we all changed our diets (which won’t happen, we’ll have to make people change to a degree although with proper economic planning we could make that change less noticeable and bothersome) By the way an alternative for those who can’t or won’t go vegan is the Mediterranean diet. I personally have a stomach condition which requires me to try and get high caloric intake from small amounts of food and high amounts of protein because my stomach digests food too slowly and doesn’t empty right, so when I eat vegetarian or vegan i start losing weight and i can’t afford to lose weight because i am already too thin. At least that is the case for me with what I have available in the rural south, maybe in the cities there are better choices for me to make a switch, I’ll be moving to Vegas in January and I plan looking around, because I do take this seriously but I have to work within certain parameters. (I don’t drink milk or eat cheese or beef or pork already by the way) my motivation towards this is purely one of sustainable food economy and lowering/eliminating pollution, not the ethics of eating animals. (I’m a southerner and the way I culturally view animals simply doesn’t allow me to value them the same as I do people, when you see chickens get slaughtered at a young age you just can’t look at them same as someone who hasn’t seen that)
We have 10 years to undone 100 years of pollution, and already is late, we must as a global problem , we must put differences a way and start working on it , our survival depend on it . So cracking on guys!
it is not about undoing what has already been done, that is simply beyond our ability within a human lifetime. It is about stopping before anything we do will cease to make any difference as over 1.5oC and feedback loops will be in increasing control. armyofall.wordpress.com/no-future-under-capitalism/
I'm glad the presenter was on the ball enough to catch Nadhim Zahawi on his bs, and corrected him about Jeremy Corbyn bringing back coal-mining. It's so clear to see the difference between panelists speaking for themselves and others who are dictating notes given from their financial sponsors.
First! Great choice in Rupert Read to do all these interviews, he's on-point, gets his talking points out, and says what needs to be said without being gaslighted (gaslit?) by the talking points of the others. Great tactic to get them to agree to some kind of meeting on air! I couldn't stand being on there, listening to them drone on about 'but this might be difficult and unpleasant! Why are you such unpleasant people?' People love to blame the messenger, and what a message it is...
I am a London Borough Constituent, and would be happy to do whatever it takes to help the UK meet its emission goals by 2025. No flying, fine. Higher tax for renewables, no problem.
Well said Rupert. I think as well as protest there should be be a serious, National undertaking from the government to appeal to our Nations Better nature to think seriously about these issues and hope they will start moderating their lives accordingly. Let it not only be an issue of legislation to achieve our goals. Bring back in a contemporary form "public information broadcasts."
Most of the panel have no idea how bad things will get if we don't do what the guy on the right is saying. If they did know, they'd be marching on parliament. I love the way the majority of the panelists are pushing the infantile idea that protests shouldn't disrupt anything.
Prometheus I know, a big part of protest is disruption. The founding fathers of America caused disruption when they dumped tea in the harbor. Time to dump the politicians and their "advice” in to the trash and take matters into our own hands.
ooooh, disrupting peoples lives, oooh disrupting peoples lives...that's all they can say. They just refuse to acknowledge the nightmare that could be coming that would eclipse any little disruption now. Rupert rocks !
He suggest people should bring awareness to the issue like David Attenborough has. But David has been saying this for 20 years and no one's listened. Extinction Rebellion have bought the issue to the foreground within a year! So I'd say it's working and is the only thing that has worked so far! Keep it up XR!
The fact that anyone is arguing that Rupert's proposals are too disruptive is shameful. They're akin to a child protesting against taking the only medicine that can save their life.
This is one of the best discussions I've seen on this vital issue. Looking on from Australia, I must give a special shout out to Rupert Read-well done mate!
A message that needs to get to the public is how binary this thing is- it's not a case of weighing up a bit of climate change against some degree inconvenience. We either hit climatic tipping points and our children all die, or we don't. There's quite a lot of uncertainty around where those tipping points are, so best be careful. The targets are set by reality, not by politics. Whether we decide to pay attention to them is where politics comes in, and we'd have to be insane.
Priorities, priorities, priorities. We could have a growing economy, or we could have a future, but not both. Leadership sets priorities. We're doomed.
The renewable generation is an economy of unprecedented scale.. Solar panels made.. Solar panels fitted Batteries made.. EVs made.. Wind turbines made.. Wind turbines fitted An economy should never have been created from oil.. Speaking of economy aren't we overdue a resession? Its the best thing that could happen for the planet to give it a breather and reboot the new renewable economy..
Anotherthez Actually there is some land where we can only grow crops that animals eat or can only have animals, to be able to use all of the space we have as efficient as possible we will need a couple animal farms on land that we can't use otherwise. However, from a moral standpoint being vegan is still a lot better and what I described doesn't really apply today since the majority of humans still eats meat and we use a lot of space that we could use for crops we can directly eat for animals instead, so it's still better to be vegan to balance everyone else a bit out.
Or, in Europe and North America particularly, you can dumpster dive for animal products. Environmentally and ethically vegan, though not diet wise. Some great resources online on the subject.
I ain't vegan but I drive electric, don't fly and am conscious about where I spend my money.. I also planted 100 trees this year.. 12 hours of grubby hands. I doubt I could ever go vegan.. Possibly a cple days meat free a week but I need my cheese
How much is the defense budget compared with the environmental protection budget? It is time to make huge changes in our society and our ways of thinking and even if we do make these huge changes we aren't sure if we can stop our extinction.
The bias displayed in this video, the constant interruptions, the language used, 'clobbering the poor' for instance and the sudden appearance of negative intended boxes, such as number of arrests etc is unforgivable. Richard did a magnificent job. The minister should be ashamed of himself.
Getting them down to 0 by 2050 isnt good enough! We need the worlds governments to agree bindingly that they have to do whatever possible to stay below 1.5 degrees. This includes loaning the poorer countries and helping them reduce carbon emissions, aswell as carbon negative technology being used
What's "deliverable and supportable" depends on how serious and urgent you think climate change is. During WWII people made "deliverable" seemingly impossible things, and "supported" a large degree of disruption for a greater good.
Britain is the birth place of the industrial revolution, public education and public health and many other things that transformed all humanity for the better. It lead in defending the free world in two world wars. If there is any country that can do this its Britain. What did the British say when world war two broke out? Oh we can't do this, it's too expensive, this isn't feasible, taxes would be do high and working class lives would be disrupted! No I don't think that was said, it was Can Do not Can't Do and civilisation was greatful for what you did. Pull yourselves together and get cracking.
Promises promises from our useless government but no meaningful actions. We can't rely on our politicians to do what's necessary. A citizens assembly will fit the bill. Budah of Birmingham
Sam Coates said: "So the whole question about this debate is amount of disruption people can tolerate in their daily life." I actually agree with it. Because this disruption is miniscule compared to disruption that is going to happen if we do not act as suggested. Compare people blocking traffic with people who cannot buy food, because there isn't any, 10 % of people are homeless migrants, totality and fascism rules, and millions of people dying every day. That's THE disruption. The current one is nothing. I am not sorry you had to use a bike to get to work. At all. I use bike to get to work every day. Winter summer sunny rainy thunderstormy.
History has taught us that 'government' takes no notice of non disruptive actions. Without active, and often illegal, protests there would be no Trade Unions, Social care , Civil Rights, etc. Worrying about a few people being late for work in central London shows a lack of understanding of the depth of the problems.
The science concensus coupled with protesting "the right way" has not gotten us far enough in the last 30 years or so. Extension Rebellion's disruption is simply trying something new to potentially get some real results this time. I hope they succeed - for the future of human kind and all other living things!
British capitalism is profit over people, planet and peace. Start with carbon fee and dividend. As for costs, the panel should look at repurposing the military and reducing the work week so people have more time for their climate education and the ability to make changes. In Sweden the transition is being made and has increased their economy.
What democracy - humanity has NEVER had one! Yes, 'disruption' - going on all over the world - and the UK will scorch this summer that will aid this cause. Did anyone notice the sand storm from Africa over the past few days?
the bold guy represents the short sighted bloke who can only see the immediate consequences of the protests, talks about the disturbance to normal people's lives, and can't see the much more serious disturbances we are inviting by ignoring the planet's health, disturbances that we won't be able to choose
Removing non-essential cars and non-organic meat are the two biggest things we can do to improve our chances of going zero emissions by 2025. (Cargo ships also produce a huge amount of emissions but they’re unfortunately much more necessary)
I'm getting a film crew together and flying to a dozen different destinations around the world to make documentaries. Come on people! If only everyone would do the same as David Attenborough, we'd have this fixed in a jiffy.
For me, this issue playing out here is that politicians have had their chance to do whats needed and what a shocker they've kicked the can down the road again and again and are trying to do the same now. Their time is up and they need a kick up the arse for all our sakes. Brexit and this movement have exposed the political class for their lazy, apathetical attitude and it's time to change the game and bring them back to being accountable to the people they apparently serve.
Thanks for all the great comments! Check out my UA-cam channel for talks about the climate and ecological crises, and interviews that I have been doing about the vitally important Extinction Rebellion protests.
"I don't think it's the RIGHT thing to do." It doesn't matter how it's done as long as it's effective and we get the desired response from governments and MPs. Look at the BIG PICTURE for goodness sake! Think about what it means that people have resorted to doing this: No one feels safe anymore. Did you know it's a human right to feel safe within their environment?
His saying "this is not the way" is ridiculous. He wouldn't be talking about climate change at ALL if Extinction Rebellion hadn't DEMANDED attention to this problem, which governments and corporate controlled news media had IGNORED for FIFTY YEARS.
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Causing chaos, interrupting the morning commute of our workers, our well earned slaves, so we can sit here and buy fucking ugly glasses doing nothing all day. So sweet of them to think of the families and their children. I'm touched.
I find this so crazy. I’m so bewildered by these people who don’t understand that none of this matters anymore if we do not act together immediately. It’s like watching spoiled children whining about not being able to get the Christmas gifts they expected because their parents did not have the money. They are so spoiled and selfish they don’t understand that their parents had to make a serious choice between being homeless and starving to death, yes life and death, or buying their bratty demanding and narcissistic children the shiny new fun things they have been led to believe they deserved. A disruption is minuscule to the global chaos barreling our way. If any of those panelists truly understood the science and the reality of what is happening then this discussion wouldn’t be happening. I am so sorry to the future survivors that we bickered and denied like childish drug addicts while there was still a slim slim chance to fix the problem we have caused. Within a natural system there are unavoidable checks and balances regulating homeostasis. It doesn’t care, it doesn’t judge, it is an effect. What we have been behaving like for countless generations is more or less comparable to the behavior of a virus. A viruses agenda is to inhabit an environment and use it to multiply and cause the symptoms that spread it to other hosts, if and when their host is overwhelmed by the virus, it either dies or develops immunity. Our behavior historically is to spread outward and constantly multiply and consume. We have never accounted for this moment where we find ourselves in what is ultimately the end stage of our hosts disease phase and begin to realize that there is no where else to go. The idea of space travel or our imagination of populating other worlds is exactly the same as what viruses do. But we are in isolation. The virus otherwise known as the human is now being given a choice to consciously evolve, not kill its host, and become symbiotic rather than parasitic. I wonder if the point of us being gifted by nature with such a powerful adaptation as consciousness and insight is actually this moment. Will we use our self awareness to modify our behavior and grow up as a species or will we succumb to our older and more ancient instincts of denial, fear, and avoidance until it is too late? We see how this instinct plays out currently globally in the rise of nationalism, toxic populism, aggression and violence against those we deem lowest in our global pecking order. It’s hard to wrap the mind around how drastically the changes in our current behavior must become towards the world we inhabit and our treatment of those who live here with us. Social progressive agendas have been pushing us forward based on principles of morality, ethics, and the concept of real justice, however they have never put forth a point which I think some religious core beliefs have been more effective at, which is trying to show that empathy and a sense of responsibility for ourselves and others is essential to our very being. Unfortunately the messages are mangled and used to justify our current desires and have historically failed us. We will be reaping what we have sown and it may end us. We will be judged, not by some god on high, but by those left able to understand our species as a catastrophic failure in terms of evolution. Or perhaps we miraculously transform millennia of historically parasitic behavior and enter a global phase of recovery and reparations (literally repairing what we destroyed) by using our intelligence and empathy to establish a truly symbiotic and sustainable world. Tick tock.
Many people have already died as a result of climate change. Not getting on an aeroplane or driving a car isn't going to kill anyone. Believing that we can maintain our current greedy, selfish life-styles and confront this problem without making huge sacrifices is simply naive. When children can see the reality of the situation our generation has placed them in and politicians can't it is only an upheaval in our society that will get us on a better path.....and that will be disruptive. There is no alternative.
Just looking at Nadhim Zahawi's registered interests on Wikipedia. He's Chief Strategy Officer of Gulf Keystone Ltd and has shares in Genel Energy plc. It's not really surprising that someone such as that would harbour such opinions about climate activists. It's interesting that he made ad hominem attacks on Extinction Rebellion activists, but at no point was his integrity called into account on the basis of his vested interests in oil and gas.
Talk to the governments where rainforests dissapear rapidly. The cutting must stop immediately! The compagnies that pollute the most need to be talked to. I believe in positive, peaceful protesting.
The case for rebellion has been made by this Conservative government, and nowhere more strongly than in their response to Grenfell; They called a public inquiry because that is the most successful Establishment ploy for stalling prosecution and kicking the can down the road until media attention wanders off to new interests. Meanwhile traumatised survivors remain without a home in one of the wealthiest boroughs on Earth. So how else should ordinary people respond to psychopathic cynicism in regard of the truly existential threat of climate change? Write yet another letter to our MP?
It always makes me laugh when politicians say things like "everyone has the right to protest but it shouldn't be done this way", what they are really saying is: "everyone has the right to protest but please do it somewhere else where I dont see it and where I'm not impacted". Lol.
Unite for technologically advanced, advanced physics based, hyper computer generated, expanded reality, benevolent intelligence socialist democracy to protect a future for children! Unite for democracy! Unite for the protection of the global natural environment! Unite for peace! Stephen Pugh BA (Hons) Political Philosophy
A few points: 1) this very debate would never have happened if XR hadn't put on such a blatant and effective demonstration 2) "disrupting the public" is the new buzzword, but did anybody NOT get to work that week? 3) I'd be prepared to trade in my fossil fuel car for an environmentally viable option if it was offered 4) and finally, we all need to make sacrifices. Paying 5p for a plastic bag isn't enough.
... its no longer about whether society can support/tolerate the disruptive changes that need to be done ... it's about whether Earth can tolerate human civilisation any longer if we don't bring about changes now... Earth is soooo old, in a way we are just guests on Earth. Our civilisation is not the only thing that matters on earth, and without the conditions on Earth we won't have a civilisation, why are we humans so arrogant? We need to start being respectful to our environment. Also why do politicians always seem to have veil over their eyes. It feels like today politicians are no longer leaders whom we can lay our trust upon for the greater good of our society; they are just someone who choose a job where they can talk over us. What are politicians so scared of with making actual changes that will benefit the future of humankind; isn't that their job? I'm sure even if some policies seem radical, if experts/government can justify them in the long term, most people would abide. We need to pick up the sense of community and support in the society, and face this crisis together... There comes a point when it really cant just be about money all the time!!!!!!!
"Yes, protest, but don't create a ruckus. Don't interrupt anything, so the rest of us can ignore your message!" 😂😂😂
If it doesn't interrupt the status quo, then by definition is not an actual protest.
They should target companies like Amazon and oil companies.
You have a right to speak but not to be heard. People can choose to be concerned or not, people can choose to be hypocrites with this sort of rhetoric whilst going about using the very resources they wish to abolish.
@@connork8321 I agree with you. Noble cause corruption.
When I see extinction rebellion members stop using mobile phones , electronic and gas goods of any kind, mass produced food, anything made in a factory including clothing, fuel or electrical transport, anything where plastic is used either to contain food/drink etc along with any goods made of plastic, then and only then will I believe they are genuine.
To demand anything of anyone you must first LEAD BY EXAMPLE.
Are they willing to do so immediately.
Our democracy isn't broken! it's fixed! in favour of the rich corporate billionares & their lackeys,,,,,
👍It is going as planned for them. Nobody cares. They can do what they want
Great comment I couldn't agree more.
Great comment I couldn't agree more.
Great comment I couldn't agree more.
Yeah works as intended!
If Extinction Rebellion causes inconvenience, keep in mind its protests are less inconvenient than its main competitor, human extinction: Becoming extinct can make one's day noticeably more difficult.
Call me old fashioned, but residence on a livable planet is very convenient, and the rapidly declining condition of our biosphere is our most important conversation ever. No matter how things play out for our only home, planet Earth, seeing the manner in which this band of rebels have gotten the ball rolling on this long overdue conversation is admirable.
Marty McCorkle Well said Marty, extinction could be a real pain in the arse.
Right?! They don't believe the science, that's the only explanation I can come up with.
You're obviously intelligent and articulate. It's terrifying that someone of your calibre falls for this. This is what gives me zero hope. You're good nature is being manipulated masterfully.
Agree, I think maybe the issue of the possible extinction of most life on the planet is more important than people having travel disruptions for a few days. Maybe they should take a day off and stop and listen to the protesters. Maybe the whole world should take a whole week off every year and discuss this issue.
exactly
Maybe the lady talking about the yellow jackets could be honest enough to mention all the facts instead of saying the movement iss only about a carbon tax on fuel. It is much more about the austerity measures and the shamelessness of the governement in enriching the 1%.
MsLuath yep, no austerity for regular people without austerity for corporations first, at the very least. (We must do much more)
seriosuly and no one looking in to them believe it, they are severely misinformed.
It is truly scary how disconnected people are. They are concerned about being "disrupted" on their way to work or not going on holiday. How disruptive will it be when there is no food and and all wildlife dies? Where will we "holiday" when the roads are melting and the forests are burning? Mind boggling. Direct action is likely the ONLY thing that will make a difference at this point. Great job by all Extinction Rebellion activists!!!
Thank you Rupert for your informed and passionate advocacy on behalf of all of us.
Yea, I am sure all the wannabe socialist overlords think this is a great thing.
Tree planting, tree planting, tree planting. FFS. A discussion on tree planting, with expert input, should be dominating the debate on short term remedial actions.
Almost everyone can get out and help plant trees and almost everyone can help look after a tree. Or take care of a small piece of forest or scrubland or wetland. It's just a matter of organisation and commitment. It's something Extinction Rebellion could organise itself with government assistance and expertise.
Matt W your strong will on talking about tree plantation is beautiful, I see myself when I refer to animal agriculture which is the worst for the planet in this era.
Change is coming
Go vegan
Don't forget car sharing..
By giving 2 people a lift you're taking 2 cars off the roads..
www.liftshare.com
I done 100 trees.....
Alberto Scatto actually we need to do more than go vegan and may not even have to go vegan, the way we produce crops also causes pollution, ie the fertilizers. We need to plan the food economy using technology and experts, to help us get the lowest amount of pollution possible. I think areas of interest around this could be aqua culture (fish farming) urban farming, hydroponics etc, a lot I lack knowledge in because I am not a scientist, however I do understand economics very well and can see that market forces won’t be able to achieve a sustainable food economy even if we all changed our diets (which won’t happen, we’ll have to make people change to a degree although with proper economic planning we could make that change less noticeable and bothersome)
By the way an alternative for those who can’t or won’t go vegan is the Mediterranean diet. I personally have a stomach condition which requires me to try and get high caloric intake from small amounts of food and high amounts of protein because my stomach digests food too slowly and doesn’t empty right, so when I eat vegetarian or vegan i start losing weight and i can’t afford to lose weight because i am already too thin. At least that is the case for me with what I have available in the rural south, maybe in the cities there are better choices for me to make a switch, I’ll be moving to Vegas in January and I plan looking around, because I do take this seriously but I have to work within certain parameters. (I don’t drink milk or eat cheese or beef or pork already by the way) my motivation towards this is purely one of sustainable food economy and lowering/eliminating pollution, not the ethics of eating animals. (I’m a southerner and the way I culturally view animals simply doesn’t allow me to value them the same as I do people, when you see chickens get slaughtered at a young age you just can’t look at them same as someone who hasn’t seen that)
Alberto Scatto i still give you a thumbs up because I appreciate your efforts and activism towards creating a more sustainable food economy.
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We have 10 years to undone 100 years of pollution, and already is late, we must as a global problem , we must put differences a way and start working on it , our survival depend on it . So cracking on guys!
it is not about undoing what has already been done, that is simply beyond our ability within a human lifetime. It is about stopping before anything we do will cease to make any difference as over 1.5oC and feedback loops will be in increasing control. armyofall.wordpress.com/no-future-under-capitalism/
it's better for the climate to be warmer than colder... more co2 is better than less co2 because plants live on it.
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Rupert the bear, with a great presence making XR’s aims the focus for everyone on the panel. Excellent short but sweet segment.
I'm glad the presenter was on the ball enough to catch Nadhim Zahawi on his bs, and corrected him about Jeremy Corbyn bringing back coal-mining. It's so clear to see the difference between panelists speaking for themselves and others who are dictating notes given from their financial sponsors.
Michael Stuart Esson They all have their sponsors.
Rupert you are so courageous! Thank you for speaking for us, against those entrenched corporate mouthpieces.
First! Great choice in Rupert Read to do all these interviews, he's on-point, gets his talking points out, and says what needs to be said without being gaslighted (gaslit?) by the talking points of the others. Great tactic to get them to agree to some kind of meeting on air! I couldn't stand being on there, listening to them drone on about 'but this might be difficult and unpleasant! Why are you such unpleasant people?' People love to blame the messenger, and what a message it is...
I am a London Borough Constituent, and would be happy to do whatever it takes to help the UK meet its emission goals by 2025. No flying, fine. Higher tax for renewables, no problem.
Rupert is getting better, less nerdy, more direct, and prepared. Well done.
Well said Rupert. I think as well as protest there should be be a serious, National undertaking from the government to appeal to our Nations
Better nature to think seriously about these issues and hope they will start moderating their lives accordingly. Let it not only be an issue of legislation to achieve our goals. Bring back in a contemporary form "public information broadcasts."
citizens’ assemblies would ensure a compassionate connect between policy and every day people’s lives.
Very well put Rupert, thank you!
WELL DONE RUPERT! YOU WERE SO CLEAR. THANK YOU!
Totally agree. Rupert nailed it. (Good name btw, Simon)
That Darlington MP is very sensible. She gets it. The rest of them, rather less so. And well done Rupert for getting the point over.
Not really corbyn would re open coal mines
Most of the panel have no idea how bad things will get if we don't do what the guy on the right is saying. If they did know, they'd be marching on parliament.
I love the way the majority of the panelists are pushing the infantile idea that protests shouldn't disrupt anything.
Prometheus I know, a big part of protest is disruption. The founding fathers of America caused disruption when they dumped tea in the harbor. Time to dump the politicians and their "advice” in to the trash and take matters into our own hands.
Rupert out here kicking some butts!
ooooh, disrupting peoples lives, oooh disrupting peoples lives...that's all they can say.
They just refuse to acknowledge the nightmare that could be coming that would eclipse any
little disruption now. Rupert rocks !
He suggest people should bring awareness to the issue like David Attenborough has. But David has been saying this for 20 years and no one's listened. Extinction Rebellion have bought the issue to the foreground within a year! So I'd say it's working and is the only thing that has worked so far! Keep it up XR!
The fact that anyone is arguing that Rupert's proposals are too disruptive is shameful. They're akin to a child protesting against taking the only medicine that can save their life.
This is one of the best discussions I've seen on this vital issue. Looking on from Australia, I must give a special shout out to Rupert Read-well done mate!
Rupert Read, you have done wonderfully in these talks. Keep it going.
Thank you Dr. Read.
great guy. Hero. Man of the people.
A message that needs to get to the public is how binary this thing is- it's not a case of weighing up a bit of climate change against some degree inconvenience.
We either hit climatic tipping points and our children all die, or we don't.
There's quite a lot of uncertainty around where those tipping points are, so best be careful.
The targets are set by reality, not by politics.
Whether we decide to pay attention to them is where politics comes in, and we'd have to be insane.
Thanks Rupert!!
Rupert Read YES my man you are wonderful
80% cut in emissions by 2050 isn't nearly enough to be anywhere close to the "safe" upper limit.
Love Rupert Read on this panel
He's done a great job and I'm grateful to him for it!
He's still wrong on nuclear tho ;-)
Rupert is so well prepared for all the misinformed comments , good on him and representing us so wonderfully
Well done Rupert, getting the message out there in a clear and concise manner. 👍
Watch your back Ruppert. You're gathering some very powerful enemies.
Rupert - thank you. You nailed this!
we are looking at ecological collapse if we don’t seriously turn things around within 12 months
you mean years, not that doing it in 12 months wouldn't be great, but sadly parliament hardly get anything done these days in "months"
The Globalist Elitist's and big corporate business won't allow change and Brexit is proof they don't value
democracy or public opinion.
Haha good luck with that then. I suggest you stop doing everything. Especially eating and drinking water.
Rupert showing sustained good humour but being very assertive is excellent.
Priorities, priorities, priorities. We could have a growing economy, or we could have a future, but not both. Leadership sets priorities. We're doomed.
The renewable generation is an economy of unprecedented scale..
Solar panels made.. Solar panels fitted
Batteries made..
EVs made..
Wind turbines made.. Wind turbines fitted
An economy should never have been created from oil..
Speaking of economy aren't we overdue a resession?
Its the best thing that could happen for the planet to give it a breather and reboot the new renewable economy..
Jeffrey Goad we need a global green new deal but x 100
Read Rocks!
If democracy is broken then i want it fixed, not replaced by something else.
One great first step: Be Vegan!
Anotherthez Actually there is some land where we can only grow crops that animals eat or can only have animals, to be able to use all of the space we have as efficient as possible we will need a couple animal farms on land that we can't use otherwise. However, from a moral standpoint being vegan is still a lot better and what I described doesn't really apply today since the majority of humans still eats meat and we use a lot of space that we could use for crops we can directly eat for animals instead, so it's still better to be vegan to balance everyone else a bit out.
Anotherthez yes and only the animals and the planet will thank you but even the body on every level
Or, in Europe and North America particularly, you can dumpster dive for animal products. Environmentally and ethically vegan, though not diet wise. Some great resources online on the subject.
I ain't vegan but I drive electric, don't fly and am conscious about where I spend my money..
I also planted 100 trees this year..
12 hours of grubby hands.
I doubt I could ever go vegan.. Possibly a cple days meat free a week but I need my cheese
Be a little bit Vegan. After your 18th birthday.
Very well done Rupert.
Well said Rupert!
Christ, more worrying than any climate change, is the fact Rupert believes all this shit!! the man has an echo the size of the sun!!
Very polished and inspirational effort by Rupert. Excellent mouthpiece.
How much is the defense budget compared with the environmental protection budget? It is time to make huge changes in our society and our ways of thinking and even if we do make these huge changes we aren't sure if we can stop our extinction.
When your hotel is on fire in the middle of the night you dont blame the guy that sets off the fire alarm.
The bias displayed in this video, the constant interruptions, the language used, 'clobbering the poor' for instance and the sudden appearance of negative intended boxes, such as number of arrests etc is unforgivable. Richard did a magnificent job. The minister should be ashamed of himself.
Excellent work Rupert Read and XR!
Getting them down to 0 by 2050 isnt good enough! We need the worlds governments to agree bindingly that they have to do whatever possible to stay below 1.5 degrees. This includes loaning the poorer countries and helping them reduce carbon emissions, aswell as carbon negative technology being used
Carry on and godspeed! We need to get together on a global level on this issue and create real change.
A fantastic interview, particularly when considering the usual sneering hostility of this show.
Bravo, Rupert :)
What's "deliverable and supportable" depends on how serious and urgent you think climate change is. During WWII people made "deliverable" seemingly impossible things, and "supported" a large degree of disruption for a greater good.
This argument needed well known and good climate change experts to say who is telling the truth and who isnt accurate
Wow...well done Rupert Read. Love his sense of urgency yet able to keep his cool and deliver the facts! Bravo 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
Britain is the birth place of the industrial revolution, public education and public health and many other things that transformed all humanity for the better. It lead in defending the free world in two world wars. If there is any country that can do this its Britain. What did the British say when world war two broke out? Oh we can't do this, it's too expensive, this isn't feasible, taxes would be do high and working class lives would be disrupted! No I don't think that was said, it was Can Do not Can't Do and civilisation was greatful for what you did. Pull yourselves together and get cracking.
Promises promises from our useless government but no meaningful actions. We can't rely on our politicians to do what's necessary. A citizens assembly will fit the bill. Budah of Birmingham
We need to stop relying on political to sort this out. It’s down to us the people.
wow he holds himself incredibly well in the subtle circus they try to stage.
Sam Coates said:
"So the whole question about this debate is amount of disruption people can tolerate in their daily life."
I actually agree with it. Because this disruption is miniscule compared to disruption that is going to happen if we do not act as suggested.
Compare people blocking traffic with people who cannot buy food, because there isn't any, 10 % of people are homeless migrants, totality and fascism rules, and millions of people dying every day. That's THE disruption.
The current one is nothing. I am not sorry you had to use a bike to get to work. At all. I use bike to get to work every day. Winter summer sunny rainy thunderstormy.
History has taught us that 'government' takes no notice of non disruptive actions. Without active, and often illegal, protests there would be no Trade Unions, Social care , Civil Rights, etc.
Worrying about a few people being late for work in central London shows a lack of understanding of the depth of the problems.
Simply amazing.
Disruption now - or disruption later. See what is happening in mozamique right now.
Ramp up the rebellion boyssss
"Are those disposable, one-use plastic cups that the news staff is drinking out of?!!!"
The science concensus coupled with protesting "the right way" has not gotten us far enough in the last 30 years or so. Extension Rebellion's disruption is simply trying something new to potentially get some real results this time. I hope they succeed - for the future of human kind and all other living things!
How exactly do you include air travel? Which country where the airplane is either landing or taking off accounts for the CO2 of said airplane?
protesting is about disruption; its meant to be inconvenient
British capitalism is profit over people, planet and peace. Start with carbon fee and dividend. As for costs, the panel should look at repurposing the military and reducing the work week so people have more time for their climate education and the ability to make changes. In Sweden the transition is being made and has increased their economy.
To the man on the far left: Were you born totally vacuous or did you have to work at it? Your puny indignation won’t save you...
Who is paying this man's wages
is it me or has this man got a face you wouldn't tire of punching... WHAT a SMUG git!!!
What democracy - humanity has NEVER had one! Yes, 'disruption' - going on all over the world - and the UK will scorch this summer that will aid this cause. Did anyone notice the sand storm from Africa over the past few days?
Rebelion extinction fight for political power nothing more nothing less.
the bold guy represents the short sighted bloke who can only see the immediate consequences of the protests, talks about the disturbance to normal people's lives, and can't see the much more serious disturbances we are inviting by ignoring the planet's health, disturbances that we won't be able to choose
Removing non-essential cars and non-organic meat are the two biggest things we can do to improve our chances of going zero emissions by 2025.
(Cargo ships also produce a huge amount of emissions but they’re unfortunately much more necessary)
I'm getting a film crew together and flying to a dozen different destinations around the world to make documentaries. Come on people! If only everyone would do the same as David Attenborough, we'd have this fixed in a jiffy.
We can't stop.
For me, this issue playing out here is that politicians have had their chance to do whats needed and what a shocker they've kicked the can down the road again and again and are trying to do the same now. Their time is up and they need a kick up the arse for all our sakes. Brexit and this movement have exposed the political class for their lazy, apathetical attitude and it's time to change the game and bring them back to being accountable to the people they apparently serve.
We're not all called David Attenborough .. so to be heard, the ones who are not need to experess themselves in different ways
Our democracy is not broken. It’s fixed.
Thanks for all the great comments! Check out my UA-cam channel for talks about the climate and ecological crises, and interviews that I have been doing about the vitally important Extinction Rebellion protests.
"I don't think it's the RIGHT thing to do." It doesn't matter how it's done as long as it's effective and we get the desired response from governments and MPs. Look at the BIG PICTURE for goodness sake! Think about what it means that people have resorted to doing this: No one feels safe anymore. Did you know it's a human right to feel safe within their environment?
His saying "this is not the way" is ridiculous. He wouldn't be talking about climate change at ALL if Extinction Rebellion hadn't DEMANDED attention to this problem, which governments and corporate controlled news media had IGNORED for FIFTY YEARS.
Causing chaos, interrupting the morning commute of our workers, our well earned slaves, so we can sit here and buy fucking ugly glasses doing nothing all day. So sweet of them to think of the families and their children. I'm touched.
I find this so crazy. I’m so bewildered by these people who don’t understand that none of this matters anymore if we do not act together immediately. It’s like watching spoiled children whining about not being able to get the Christmas gifts they expected because their parents did not have the money. They are so spoiled and selfish they don’t understand that their parents had to make a serious choice between being homeless and starving to death, yes life and death, or buying their bratty demanding and narcissistic children the shiny new fun things they have been led to believe they deserved. A disruption is minuscule to the global chaos barreling our way. If any of those panelists truly understood the science and the reality of what is happening then this discussion wouldn’t be happening. I am so sorry to the future survivors that we bickered and denied like childish drug addicts while there was still a slim slim chance to fix the problem we have caused. Within a natural system there are unavoidable checks and balances regulating homeostasis. It doesn’t care, it doesn’t judge, it is an effect. What we have been behaving like for countless generations is more or less comparable to the behavior of a virus. A viruses agenda is to inhabit an environment and use it to multiply and cause the symptoms that spread it to other hosts, if and when their host is overwhelmed by the virus, it either dies or develops immunity. Our behavior historically is to spread outward and constantly multiply and consume. We have never accounted for this moment where we find ourselves in what is ultimately the end stage of our hosts disease phase and begin to realize that there is no where else to go. The idea of space travel or our imagination of populating other worlds is exactly the same as what viruses do. But we are in isolation. The virus otherwise known as the human is now being given a choice to consciously evolve, not kill its host, and become symbiotic rather than parasitic. I wonder if the point of us being gifted by nature with such a powerful adaptation as consciousness and insight is actually this moment. Will we use our self awareness to modify our behavior and grow up as a species or will we succumb to our older and more ancient instincts of denial, fear, and avoidance until it is too late? We see how this instinct plays out currently globally in the rise of nationalism, toxic populism, aggression and violence against those we deem lowest in our global pecking order. It’s hard to wrap the mind around how drastically the changes in our current behavior must become towards the world we inhabit and our treatment of those who live here with us. Social progressive agendas have been pushing us forward based on principles of morality, ethics, and the concept of real justice, however they have never put forth a point which I think some religious core beliefs have been more effective at, which is trying to show that empathy and a sense of responsibility for ourselves and others is essential to our very being. Unfortunately the messages are mangled and used to justify our current desires and have historically failed us. We will be reaping what we have sown and it may end us. We will be judged, not by some god on high, but by those left able to understand our species as a catastrophic failure in terms of evolution. Or perhaps we miraculously transform millennia of historically parasitic behavior and enter a global phase of recovery and reparations (literally repairing what we destroyed) by using our intelligence and empathy to establish a truly symbiotic and sustainable world. Tick tock.
Many people have already died as a result of climate change. Not getting on an aeroplane or driving a car isn't going to kill anyone. Believing that we can maintain our current greedy, selfish life-styles and confront this problem without making huge sacrifices is simply naive. When children can see the reality of the situation our generation has placed them in and politicians can't it is only an upheaval in our society that will get us on a better path.....and that will be disruptive. There is no alternative.
Just looking at Nadhim Zahawi's registered interests on Wikipedia. He's Chief Strategy Officer of Gulf Keystone Ltd and has shares in Genel Energy plc. It's not really surprising that someone such as that would harbour such opinions about climate activists. It's interesting that he made ad hominem attacks on Extinction Rebellion activists, but at no point was his integrity called into account on the basis of his vested interests in oil and gas.
Talk to the governments where rainforests dissapear rapidly. The cutting must stop immediately!
The compagnies that pollute the most need to be talked to.
I believe in positive, peaceful protesting.
The case for rebellion has been made by this Conservative government, and nowhere more strongly than in their response to Grenfell; They called a public inquiry because that is the most successful Establishment ploy for stalling prosecution and kicking the can down the road until media attention wanders off to new interests. Meanwhile traumatised survivors remain without a home in one of the wealthiest boroughs on Earth. So how else should ordinary people respond to psychopathic cynicism in regard of the truly existential threat of climate change? Write yet another letter to our MP?
Rupert Reed wipes the floor with the panel. Amazing work!
It always makes me laugh when politicians say things like "everyone has the right to protest but it shouldn't be done this way", what they are really saying is: "everyone has the right to protest but please do it somewhere else where I dont see it and where I'm not impacted". Lol.
The elites will not do what's necessary unless forced to.
Unite for technologically advanced, advanced physics based, hyper computer generated, expanded reality, benevolent intelligence socialist democracy to protect a future for children! Unite for democracy! Unite for the protection of the global natural environment! Unite for peace! Stephen Pugh BA (Hons) Political Philosophy
A few points:
1) this very debate would never have happened if XR hadn't put on such a blatant and effective demonstration
2) "disrupting the public" is the new buzzword, but did anybody NOT get to work that week?
3) I'd be prepared to trade in my fossil fuel car for an environmentally viable option if it was offered
4) and finally, we all need to make sacrifices. Paying 5p for a plastic bag isn't enough.
... its no longer about whether society can support/tolerate the disruptive changes that need to be done ... it's about whether Earth can tolerate human civilisation any longer if we don't bring about changes now... Earth is soooo old, in a way we are just guests on Earth. Our civilisation is not the only thing that matters on earth, and without the conditions on Earth we won't have a civilisation, why are we humans so arrogant? We need to start being respectful to our environment. Also why do politicians always seem to have veil over their eyes. It feels like today politicians are no longer leaders whom we can lay our trust upon for the greater good of our society; they are just someone who choose a job where they can talk over us. What are politicians so scared of with making actual changes that will benefit the future of humankind; isn't that their job? I'm sure even if some policies seem radical, if experts/government can justify them in the long term, most people would abide. We need to pick up the sense of community and support in the society, and face this crisis together... There comes a point when it really cant just be about money all the time!!!!!!!
Banning works better than taxing. We need strong enforceable limits on carbon emissions for industry now.
wake up there will be no society to disrupt if we don't moderate our selfish unsustainable ways!
Well done!
Well said Rubin
Just a bunch of ‘anti-capitalists’......tomorrow’s chip paper news!